/music/ - Music

>>12581
>4chan gamerchair nazi
Why do you instantly assume I'm a "4chan gamerchair nazi?" I'm a Stirnerite, this is ridiculous. I just don't see a difference between actual medical racism and simple neglect in your example. How do you know this doesn't affect whites too?
>Your mother should have been sterilized the way black prisoners frequently are
Calm down.

>>12578
>>12591
At this point if I’m concerned about eugenics I wouldn’t even be afraid of MAiD but CRISPR. Literal Gattaca shit.

>>12405
>Rap is extremely politically incorrect, liberally uses the gamer word, glorifies guns, thug, culture, and misogyny. It's everything /pol/ loves.
Post examples of this ITT.

>>12427
>Besides, by that time the CIA and other government agencies had plenty of black members in them taking part in it
lol not in the 60s/70s. feds being diverse is relatively recent back then it was all mormons and ex yale lacrosse players

>>12611
Lol I already did but it looks like it was deleted. Why do you pretend like it's possible to have a discussion on this website?

>>12611
>Post examples of this ITT.
This is how circular every discussion is on leftypol. Literally already asked and answered:
>>12435
>Care to post examples?
>>12437
>>12438
>Wait, DaBaby is back??

>>12614
And for reference all I did was look up the top music charts, right in the top 5 was this song. All I did was post the lyrics and showed how the song fit every category OP described.

>>12426
XXXTentacion was killed by (((Drake))) for exposing his pedophilia and homosexuality.

Has rap become woke? In Civil War, Tech censors himself saying the gamer word. Back in the Bush era, he had no problem with it. And Eminem doesn't use faggot anymore. There's also that Digable Planets rap about abortion rights that's so lame it makes me sympathize with pro-lifers.

>>12615
I don't hear any misogyny in the song.
Dababy is a trap rapper, so of course his lyrical content is going to involve grandstanding, drug dealing, and violence.
Odds are, the only thing that brought the song to top was the fact that it's a cover of Kendrick's song, in which Kendrick calls drake a pedophile for 3 minutes.
/pol/acks should love that song.

>>12623
>I don't hear any misogyny in the song.
Lol when I did my original post I was fair to the song in that regard. I said "maybe not misogyny per se but definitely chauvinism." I'm not a super feminist so I'm not the right guy to call what is misogynies or not.

>Dababy is a trap rapper, so of course his lyrical content is going to involve grandstanding, drug dealing, and violence.
We went straight from?
>>12611
>Post examples of this ITT.
>>12435
>Care to post examples?

To,
>uhh well of course popular rap music is going to do all of those things, it's rap music

Well sometimes you have to prove common sense facts because some idiots will play dumb about it which is what I was doing.

>>12620
See:
>>12563

>>12625
>I grab her by her neck and look in her eyes whenever she ride me
>Block a bitch, delete her motherfuckin' number
>I ain't finna talk to you 'til the end of motherfuckin' summer
>That fuckin' 'round with me bad for you baby, better off doin' heroin
>And she know I like to get head from her, gettin' head better when her hair long
>A bitch got 'bout two weeks for me to care, 'cause I don't really care long
>I'm tryna see 'bout her friend who wanna fuck, so now she mad at me

So mostly bragging about how he uses women for sex, plays with their emotions, and callously discards them. I'll leave it to you do decide the misogyny levels.

Let's look at the top music charts for youtube today.
>#9 for all music in America: NoCap - Baby Drake

Verse 1 first line:
>Damn, I hate these uyghas so much, NoCap a Nazi

Reminds me of some other classic lines to the same effect:
Nas:
>Kidnap the president's wife without a plan
>And hangin' uyghas like the Ku Klux Klan

Kool John:
>Keeping uyghas out of reach I don't fuck with uyghas
>Bitch I'm like Wanda Sykes I don't fuck with uyghas

>>12629
Playing this shit with my friends is one of my fondest childhood memories

>>12625
I was merely pointing out that the general public probably likes the watered down and boring meaning of dababy's song, over the pointed and critical content of Kendrick's.
I don't think there's some sort of conspiracy pushing trap and drill music over other genres of hip hop, especially considering hip hop is no longer as relevant as it was just 8 years ago.
I was talking to my friend about this the other day, and he mentioned how a lot of hip hop artists are turning into a fusion of hip hop and country. It makes sense, it appeals to the same people: lower class southerners.

>>12629
>50 Cent is lumpen
Since fucken when? All the black lumpenproles and lumpenbougies are selling crack in the ghettos instead of getting rich off of rap songs.

>>12415
>Long dead ancient tech.
Mf dissing radio so bad smh. 😐

>>12650
>50 Cent is lumpen
>Since fucken when?
Stupid zoomer

>>12652
50 is literally bourgeois
https://rankworks.com/from-rapper-to-business-tycoon-exploring-50-cents-million-dollar-investments/
https://www.forbes.com/2008/08/15/music-50cent-hiphop-biz-media-cz_zog_0818fifty.html

>>12655
Fiddy almost went bankrupt.

>>12650
>>12655
What does any of this have to do with his relevance to the quote? He was a lumpen, and he sold out to reactionary interests.

>instead of getting rich off of rap songs.
In a wider sense, maybe you could consider all rappers as sellouts to reactionary interests.

>>12426
Don't forget all the rappers who were killed for making diss tracks.

>>12445
>Any retarded sentiments related or adjacent to "rap isn't music/its CIA/its a psyop/its all thugs and bitches"
It's literally part of the thread topic?
Also Ice Cube and a former CIA agent literally talk about this; John Homeston, a 'retired' CIA agent, admitted on National Russian Television (NTV) that hip hop was a psy-op invented by the CIA in the 1980s and the agency has directed and financed household name artists including NWA, Dr. Dre, Jay-Z and Kanye West and stated that the reasoning by the CIA was that promoting certain lyrics and ideas would cause division and nihilism in the American population (the people) leading to people with apathetic attitudes about societal ills (dousing revolutionary flames) and leading to a populace racially at odds with one another, a good example of which was the 1992 LA riots where primarily Black rioters who were sick of the LAPD's CRASH program and in particular the Rodney King ruling rose up, but because of racial divisions, Koreans, Chinese, Whites and Latino's were the targets of their anger. The number of cops and feds killed or injured in those riots was minimal compared to the number of ordinary people of any races who got hurt. As a side not that was precisely the time and place where Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Ice Cube and other members of NWA started off.
This was part of the CIA's ghettoization of America, after they and the FBI killed Black Panther and Black Rights leaders or jailed them and their followers while moving African Americans into ghettos and funneling Cocaine and Heroin into them. Read Gary Webb's Alliance of Darkness for more detail on that.

Ice Cube in an interview said, verbatim in an interview with Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsrupdk3lsI
>“It’s not about making somebody write the lyrics. It’s about being there as guard rails to make sure certain songs don’t get through and certain songs don’t. Some records are made by a committee.”
He stated this after Bill Maher had tried to claim that the Government hadn't technically forced rappers to write the lyrics they did, which Ice-Cube rebuked.

To clarify I listen to rap when I'm in the mood, I know all the classics, 2Pac, Biggie, DMX, Ice Cube, Cool J etc. and I'm generally pretty old-school in my tastes, it's what I grew up around (among many other genres) so I know the scene. Rappers, the real ones who came up on the street, all know exactly what is being talking about, it isn't glorious, and they state it openly, but at the same time, the street thug culture, REQUIRES you to be aggressive and pumping yourself up in words and actions, because that's how you get taken seriously and respected. Mike Tyson talks about this too and he has a short but perfect exemplification of this, vid rel.

Most modern rappers don't know this shit, they grew up in times when life wasn't as crazy and breaking out into music is easier (ergo the meme about soundcloud rappers) and so a lot of lame garbage gets made and released, when in the past it wouldn't go anywhere because groups like Death Row Records, gatekept it, and to avoid serious prosecution they would listen to the CIA, who did the same thing for all genres of media at the time, from films, to books to art and so on.

>>12704
>>12426
Old school Rapper culture was intrinsically tied to the gangs, particularly different chapters of bloods and crips, something going back to the old 80s-90s. It's been memed to shit by the internet, but street cred is an actual thing in that world and jail-time or committing crime or just having the balls to throw hands or challenge others is a big part of building credibility as a top dog. Its a machismo built on the fact that to avoid being attacked you need to have a name for yourself or at least be associated with a big name to ward off people attacking you because of the backlash that would follow. It's why drive-bys rom stolen vehicles were and remain a common tactic in murders of rivals - it's pretty anonymous if you blitz through, spraying bullets and making everyone dead or duck for cover, then getting the hell out of dodge and dumping the car and lying low. It peaked in the late 80s - early 90s then defused after the LA riots of 1992.
Vids rel carry across some of this (and they're a mean beat too).

>>12720
>muh small business owners
Would you say the same about the Palestine protests going on now? Namely, that far more synagogues and Jewish-owned small businesses have been targeted than politicians or weapons manufacturers.

Would you say the Palestine protests are the products of a psy-op like the LA riots allegedly were? Or do the Palestine protesters have legitimate grievances with Hewish-owned small businesses whereas Black folks in LA didn’t?

>>12724
>muh small business owners
<Everything is le small business owners!
I'm sure Fidel Lopez and Reginald Denny "totally" deserved to be attacked for no reason, their ancestors were probably (maybe, not really) le white slavers right!? Get fucked, you don't know what it was like you underage moron. Also I never specified small business owners. Denial of fact is not an argument; the LA riots harmed almost no cops or feds and primarily targeted vulnerable areas where the police specifically did not respond to 911 calls. Most people who died or were injured were those attacked by rioters, caught in the crossfire of gang shootouts with other gangs or cops or were the casualties of people defending themselves in a city where the state essentially relinquished its authority for several days, to the point that even Rodney King, a man who himself knew the streets and was a part of that life called for people to 'get along'.
https://abc7.com/la-riots-los-angeles-fidel-lopez-riot-coverage/1931815/
>far more synagogues and Jewish-owned small businesses have been targeted
Random fucking tangent that has no relevancy. Palestine protests are by people that hear about shit going on in another part of the world. The LA riots were something that happened to the people that rioted and was a result of the CRASH program boiling over despite the feds knowing that would be the result.
>Would you say the same about the Palestine protests going on now
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
Netanyahu was literally using Mossad to fund Hamas and Agents Provocateurs have been used during the Palestinian protests of the past to provide a basis for harsh crackdowns by Israel and the United States on Palestine. There have been several attempts to co-opt the Palestine movement into a Jew-hating one that would provide basis for harsh response. Furthermore I was specifically talking about the Rap scene and the environment that it developed in, which is specific and different from this false equivalency you keep trying to push.
>whereas Black folks in LA didn’t
African-Americans did not have a legitimate reason to attack various immigrants or ordinary working people, despite their righteous anger over the Rodney King ruling, anymore than Palestinian protestors have a right to kill or attack ordinary Israeli people. This is not a contradiction, the working class attacking other members of the working class based on race is exactly what Porky wants you dumb fuck, as is promotion of lumpen attitudes - rejection of work obsession with money and fame, selling/using drugs etc. consumerism. This kind of attitude is reactionary drivel; the Red Army explicitly prohibited such action against the German people as being uncommunist and subhuman, something only a Nazi would stoop to. Notice how the police pointedly defended the few gentrified areas belonging to the rich 1% and let the rest of LA fall into chaos, letting it burn itself out before marching the National Guard in suffering little to no casualties while ~ 70 ordinary people were killed and thousands injured, almost none of them a fed/cop/porky. The only good thing achieved was the Watt's Truce between a couple chapters of the bloods and crips.

TL;DR: Stop talking about shit you don't know jack shit about, and stop making such blatantly liberal false equivalencies, assholes like you are the reason racial tensions between working class people still exist in this day and age, because you can't stand a critical analysis of what happened and the forces at play. But y'know what, here's a suggest and come to LA or Chicago or Atlanta, go into gang territory and start mouthing off, see how far that gets you.

>>12721
>ld school Rapper culture was intrinsically tied to the gangs, particularly different chapters of bloods and crips, something going back to the old 80s-90s. It's been memed to shit by the internet, but street cred is an actual thing in that world and jail-time or committing crime or just having the balls to throw hands or challenge others is a big part of building credibility as a top dog.
Small correction: Bloods and Crips as being a national and international phenomenon started in the 90s as a direct result of LA rap music being broadcast nationally and internationally by the big record labels.

Here is a DJ Quik song from 1992 talking about the phenomenon.

>>12734
Before the industrial rap music spread the Blood and Crip phenomenon from LA to the rest of the nation. Each city had their own gang culture. Lots of interesting gang history.

>>12735
>Before the industrial rap music spread the Blood and Crip phenomenon from LA to the rest of the nation.
If you think about it's obvious, that the industrial center of pop music, would promote its local gang culture to prevail over all others.

>>12736
>If you think about it's obvious, that the industrial center of pop music, would promote its local gang culture to prevail over all others.
I should find you some rap songs from the 90s of NY rappers bitching about LA gang culture taking over NY until we have the Blood hits like:
>>12737 in 2017

>>12738
>>12737
Suu whoop!

>>12734
>>12735
>>12736
Yeah, I said 80s-90s because it kinda started off in the late 80s to early 90s period, it's a bit unclear.

>>12740
Bloods and Crips weren't outside of LA until 90s.

>>12405
You knew the answer already (they're racist), but this actually isn't true. Right wing guys esp. young ones love to appropriate rap when it's useful to them and denigrate it when it's not.

It's not glorification, it's just music made where the material conditions make these things a constant consideration in one's daily life.

Another clout martyr.

RIP

>>12787
>It's not glorification, it's just music made where the material conditions make these things a constant consideration in one's daily life.
You are right it is commercialization. Like I pointed out tgere is no way LA gang culture would've made it out LA without music jndustry porkies profiting off it.

>>12409
People are still singing Woodie Guthrie songs 90 years later.

No one will remember a single Nas or Kendrick song 90 years from now.

>>12879
Mmm I dunno. Some rap songs have had some real longevity. I'd say rap is more poignant and relatable than most rock.

This song is still very relevant 30 years later because everyone still gets their welfare and SSI on the first of the month.

>>12880
You know how they say living "pay check to pay check" well welfare and retiree folks live 1st of the month to 1st of the month. I had a telemarketing job for a short while and calling people up you'd get all these people who are like a sale, but they'd be like, I have no money in my account right now, call me on the 1st of the next month. Lol.

>>12879
You have zero way of knowing that.

I dont think they actually hate rap. They probably dont care for it musically but in reality raps a /polacks best friend. Rap shows black americans at our absolute worse more often than not. I'm pretty sure they love it

>>12882
NTA but there are hundreds of rappers that were fairly popular in the 90s that nobody remembers anymore, hell people are already forgetting about people like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and other YA pop-stars from a decade ago who aren't that active anymore.

>>12885
Nas and Kendrick are highly acclaimed though.

>>12893
>Nas and Kendrick are highly acclaimed though.
According to pop media. Hell I haven't even given those two a passing thought in years until you brought up their names. I know both youths and adults who've never even heard of them and don't care to know about them. It's all hype.