Rap is extremely politically incorrect, liberally uses the gamer word, glorifies guns, thug, culture, and misogyny. It's everything /pol/ loves. Is it just because they hate blacks more?
>>12405>Rap is <proceeds to give a massive, incorrect generalization about all rap based on the fact that they're a teenager who never listened to OG rap or knows its history or its variation. The CIA did psyop hip-hop and thug-culture into what most modern pop-rap is, but rap as a general genre originates from the grass-roots and takes many directions. It expresses what the person WANTS to express, and trashiness is based on how trash or good the person is at rhythm and music.
This entire thread is full of underage pseuds that don't remember what the rap-scene was like 2-3 decades ago, and how different it was.
Also /pol/acks don't hate rap, they hate mainstream rap and the associated thugs that make it. Rap music was in memes (including /pol/ ones) since /pol/ came into being. DMX, Biggie and Gangsters Paradise are famous in part because the music got utilized in various videos so hard, including by /pol/.
>>12426>gang affiliationsGangs are notoriously hard to leave and many rappers who come from the streets find themselves in between a rock and a hard place with trying to grow a rap career whereby they have to be in the public eye and continue their street activities where they need to lay low.
>drug overdosesUnless someone is deliberately trying to overdose one thinks the next pill or hit of blow is going to kill them.
>medical deathsYou do realize medical racism is a thing, right? Many Black men in particular are terrified of doctors given the history of the white supremacist medical establishment abusing and belittling them. Forced sterilizations of Black people were going on well into the 1960s. British healthcare is no different in that it also has a stark history of racism. It's a lot deeper than "Black people don't care about their own health".
>>12415>Long dead ancient tech. Kids download music they hear about from their friends and the artists they follow online.<Why is everyone still listening to Taylor Swift then?>>12420>stan culture on social mediaYou: only listen to top 40 billboard artists because you listen to top 40 radio
I: only listen to top 40 billboard artists because of recommendations from friends and artists I follow online
We are not the same.
>>12405>Why do /pol/acks hate rap?Racism.
>Rap is extremely politically incorrectMah uygha, you think they care? They only care about it when it's convenient to them: they're anti-SJW only when their side doesn't get criticized for snowflake behavior, they're anti-idpol only when progressives are doing it. The fact that the phrase "anti-PC" is associated with them is laughable because the moment conservatives are in power the /pol/tards will shout about how "based" and "redpilled" they are for censoring people. Same with incels: incels were always useful idiots to them because they'd be considered "degenerates" and "the life unworthy of life" in the Nazi Germany.
>>12452it's worth nothing rap is music, so anyone can listen to it
it's not like they're meeting the rapper in person by listening to it
and at the end of the day, of course, they don't take it very seriously, just seeing it as silly pop music or whatever
>>12442 (me)
Also, being "un-PC" is "based and redpilled" but being a criminal is "RACE TREASON!!" and "NON-WHITE BEHAVIOR!!" Because as wise men once said, true rebels follow the law, not fight the system in any meaningful way… unless the law is Jewish, then it's a fair game apparently. Like shooting minorities… unless shooting minorities is a Jewish psyop to make "national socialists" look bad.
I'm telling you, these motherfuckers would rather think Stirner was Jewish unless they find something in his text that serves as an excuse to hurt minorities.
>>12532AKA medical racism
Prodigy’s death was also arguably a case of medical racism too.
>>12537Some people with chronic illness would rather live out their lives than be “cautious” though.
Also, again there’s a legitimate reason why Black folks are skeptical of the medical establishment.
>>12562The short answer is, there was a time between the fall of the USSR and 9/11 where mainstream pop culture was allowed to be edgy and invoke radical leftist, Black liberationist, or anti-capitalist themes because Amerika didn't have an overt enemy "over there". Rage Against the Machine was also huge during that time. A lot of rappers embraced Black nationalism and a lot of songs during that time were either praising Black liberationists (like song in vidrel which came out in 2000) or talking about real class struggle in the hood.
After 9/11 you couldn't say anything about US imperialism, how fucked up capitalism was, how evil the police are, and whatnot because you would essentially get cancelled (look at what happened to the Dixie Chicks for instance: three white women were blackballed by the industry for taking shots at Bush's Iraq invasion).
>>12405Because fascism is at its heart an entirely contradictory ideology. The same people who hate rap because it's made by Black people despite holding to the same values said rap music is promoting (like hyper-masculinity, misogyny, homophobia, hatred of the established order) are the same people who claim Jews are simultaneously strong and weak at the same time.
>>12426>took too many pillsJuice WRLD was frantically trying to hide the drugs his gang was smuggling. He died because he was in hysterics and acted on impulse.
>could've survived if he had stayed in the damn hospitalEnd-of-life care in America is a sham. The only reason Canada has MAiD and America doesn't is because terminally ill people aren't profitable in a healthcare system that isn't based on profit. Yes, medical technology has greatly advanced so that we can keep sick people alive for much longer but it's made it so there's no practical limit to what a hospital in America can spend keeping someone alive. Theoretically speaking a hospital could pump $10 million worth of oxygen into what's essentially a mangled corpse. That's more value than the vast majority of people make during their entire working lives, even a music producer with several gold records to his name.
We can agree that there should be a communal duty to care for the sick and disabled, but you can't reasonably argue there should be no limit to life extending care. If I ever get that sick I'd rather die on my own terms rather than dying with tubes shoved in my nose and down my throat with the rest of my family now having to pay the bill.
>>12578Look, I'm not saying "euthanize all terminally ill people." Quite the opposite.
>Except MAiD is the peak of capitalism. Kill off people who aren’t “useful” to the system. In a for-profit healthcare system like you see in America anti-eugenics becomes just as capitalistic as eugenics. There's no practical limit to what a hospital can spend keeping someone alive. Keeping people who are on death's door artificially alive for a few more weeks or months is highly profitable for doctors and hospitals which is why they do it. Because of the advancement in medical technology treatment is so technologically advanced that it involves suffering a loss of dignity with tubes down the patient's throat and spending more money than the patient has earned in their entire life just to lie there in a coma or in agony. At some point, it's better to say "fuck it" and be home for your last days where you can die on your own terms.
Like I'm Canadian and I fully understand why people don't like MAiD due to the handful of times when it's been misapplied (like the guy who chose MAiD to deal with poverty or the woman who applied for MAiD because she couldn't afford a new wheelchair) but I will never oppose MAiD all together for this very reason. If America were to have such a thing you can be sure the AMA would lobby against it since it's lost profits for them.
>>12581>4chan gamerchair naziWhy do you instantly assume I'm a "4chan gamerchair nazi?" I'm a Stirnerite, this is ridiculous. I just don't see a difference between actual medical racism and simple neglect in your example. How do you know this doesn't affect whites too?
>Your mother should have been sterilized the way black prisoners frequently areCalm down.
>>12615I don't hear any misogyny in the song.
Dababy is a trap rapper, so of course his lyrical content is going to involve grandstanding, drug dealing, and violence.
Odds are, the only thing that brought the song to top was the fact that it's a cover of Kendrick's song, in which Kendrick calls drake a pedophile for 3 minutes.
/pol/acks should love that song.
>>12623>I don't hear any misogyny in the song. Lol when I did my original post I was fair to the song in that regard. I said "maybe not misogyny per se but definitely chauvinism." I'm not a super feminist so I'm not the right guy to call what is misogynies or not.
>Dababy is a trap rapper, so of course his lyrical content is going to involve grandstanding, drug dealing, and violence. We went straight from?
>>12611>Post examples of this ITT.>>12435>Care to post examples?To,
>uhh well of course popular rap music is going to do all of those things, it's rap musicWell sometimes you have to prove common sense facts because some idiots will play dumb about it which is what I was doing.
>>12625I was merely pointing out that the general public probably likes the watered down and boring meaning of dababy's song, over the pointed and critical content of Kendrick's.
I don't think there's some sort of conspiracy pushing trap and drill music over other genres of hip hop, especially considering hip hop is no longer as relevant as it was just 8 years ago.
I was talking to my friend about this the other day, and he mentioned how a lot of hip hop artists are turning into a fusion of hip hop and country. It makes sense, it appeals to the same people: lower class southerners.
>>12650>>12655What does any of this have to do with his relevance to the quote? He was a lumpen, and he sold out to reactionary interests.
>instead of getting rich off of rap songs.In a wider sense, maybe you could consider all rappers as sellouts to reactionary interests.
>>12445>Any retarded sentiments related or adjacent to "rap isn't music/its CIA/its a psyop/its all thugs and bitches" It's literally part of the thread topic?
Also Ice Cube and a former CIA agent literally talk about this; John Homeston, a 'retired' CIA agent, admitted on National Russian Television (NTV) that hip hop was a psy-op invented by the CIA in the 1980s and the agency has directed and financed household name artists including NWA, Dr. Dre, Jay-Z and Kanye West and stated that the reasoning by the CIA was that promoting certain lyrics and ideas would cause division and nihilism in the American population (the people) leading to people with apathetic attitudes about societal ills (dousing revolutionary flames) and leading to a populace racially at odds with one another, a good example of which was the 1992 LA riots where primarily Black rioters who were sick of the LAPD's CRASH program and in particular the Rodney King ruling rose up, but because of racial divisions, Koreans, Chinese, Whites and Latino's were the targets of their anger. The number of cops and feds killed or injured in those riots was minimal compared to the number of ordinary people of any races who got hurt. As a side not that was precisely the time and place where Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Ice Cube and other members of NWA started off.
This was part of the CIA's ghettoization of America, after they and the FBI killed Black Panther and Black Rights leaders or jailed them and their followers while moving African Americans into ghettos and funneling Cocaine and Heroin into them. Read Gary Webb's Alliance of Darkness for more detail on that.
Ice Cube in an interview said, verbatim in an interview with Bill Maher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsrupdk3lsI>“It’s not about making somebody write the lyrics. It’s about being there as guard rails to make sure certain songs don’t get through and certain songs don’t. Some records are made by a committee.” He stated this after Bill Maher had tried to claim that the Government hadn't technically forced rappers to write the lyrics they did, which Ice-Cube rebuked.
To clarify I listen to rap when I'm in the mood, I know all the classics, 2Pac, Biggie, DMX, Ice Cube, Cool J etc. and I'm generally pretty old-school in my tastes, it's what I grew up around (among many other genres) so I know the scene. Rappers, the real ones who came up on the street, all know exactly what is being talking about, it isn't glorious, and they state it openly, but at the same time, the street thug culture, REQUIRES you to be aggressive and pumping yourself up in words and actions, because that's how you get taken seriously and respected. Mike Tyson talks about this too and he has a short but perfect exemplification of this, vid rel.
Most modern rappers don't know this shit, they grew up in times when life wasn't as crazy and breaking out into music is easier (ergo the meme about soundcloud rappers) and so a lot of lame garbage gets made and released, when in the past it wouldn't go anywhere because groups like Death Row Records, gatekept it, and to avoid serious prosecution they would listen to the CIA, who did the same thing for all genres of media at the time, from films, to books to art and so on.
>>12704>>12426Old school Rapper culture was intrinsically tied to the gangs, particularly different chapters of bloods and crips, something going back to the old 80s-90s. It's been memed to shit by the internet, but street cred is an actual thing in that world and jail-time or committing crime or just having the balls to throw hands or challenge others is a big part of building credibility as a top dog. Its a machismo built on the fact that to avoid being attacked you need to have a name for yourself or at least be associated with a big name to ward off people attacking you because of the backlash that would follow. It's why drive-bys rom stolen vehicles were and remain a common tactic in murders of rivals - it's pretty anonymous if you blitz through, spraying bullets and making everyone dead or duck for cover, then getting the hell out of dodge and dumping the car and lying low. It peaked in the late 80s - early 90s then defused after the LA riots of 1992.
Vids rel carry across some of this (and they're a mean beat too).
>>12720>muh small business ownersWould you say the same about the Palestine protests going on now? Namely, that far more synagogues and Jewish-owned small businesses have been targeted than politicians or weapons manufacturers.
Would you say the Palestine protests are the products of a psy-op like the LA riots allegedly were? Or do the Palestine protesters have legitimate grievances with Hewish-owned small businesses whereas Black folks in LA didn’t?
>>12724>muh small business owners <Everything is le small business owners! I'm sure Fidel Lopez and Reginald Denny "totally" deserved to be attacked for no reason, their ancestors were probably (maybe, not really) le white slavers right!? Get fucked, you don't know what it was like you underage moron. Also I never specified small business owners. Denial of fact is not an argument; the LA riots harmed almost no cops or feds and primarily targeted vulnerable areas where the police specifically did not respond to 911 calls. Most people who died or were injured were those attacked by rioters, caught in the crossfire of gang shootouts with other gangs or cops or were the casualties of people defending themselves in a city where the state essentially relinquished its authority for several days, to the point that even Rodney King, a man who himself knew the streets and was a part of that life called for people to 'get along'.
https://abc7.com/la-riots-los-angeles-fidel-lopez-riot-coverage/1931815/>far more synagogues and Jewish-owned small businesses have been targeted Random fucking tangent that has no relevancy. Palestine protests are by people that hear about shit going on in another part of the world. The LA riots were something that happened to the people that rioted and was a result of the CRASH program boiling over despite the feds knowing that would be the result.
>Would you say the same about the Palestine protests going on now https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html Netanyahu was literally using Mossad to fund Hamas and Agents Provocateurs have been used during the Palestinian protests of the past to provide a basis for harsh crackdowns by Israel and the United States on Palestine. There have been several attempts to co-opt the Palestine movement into a Jew-hating one that would provide basis for harsh response. Furthermore I was specifically talking about the Rap scene and the environment that it developed in, which is specific and different from this false equivalency you keep trying to push.
>whereas Black folks in LA didn’tAfrican-Americans did not have a legitimate reason to attack various immigrants or ordinary working people, despite their righteous anger over the Rodney King ruling, anymore than Palestinian protestors have a right to kill or attack ordinary Israeli people. This is not a contradiction, the working class attacking other members of the working class based on race is exactly what Porky wants you dumb fuck, as is promotion of lumpen attitudes - rejection of work obsession with money and fame, selling/using drugs etc. consumerism. This kind of attitude is reactionary drivel; the Red Army explicitly prohibited such action against the German people as being uncommunist and subhuman, something only a Nazi would stoop to. Notice how the police pointedly defended the few gentrified areas belonging to the rich 1% and let the rest of LA fall into chaos, letting it burn itself out before marching the National Guard in suffering little to no casualties while ~ 70 ordinary people were killed and thousands injured, almost none of them a fed/cop/porky. The only good thing achieved was the Watt's Truce between a couple chapters of the bloods and crips.
TL;DR: Stop talking about shit you don't know jack shit about, and stop making such blatantly liberal false equivalencies, assholes like you are the reason racial tensions between working class people still exist in this day and age, because you can't stand a critical analysis of what happened and the forces at play. But y'know what, here's a suggest and come to LA or Chicago or Atlanta, go into gang territory and start mouthing off, see how far that gets you.
>>12721>ld school Rapper culture was intrinsically tied to the gangs, particularly different chapters of bloods and crips, something going back to the old 80s-90s. It's been memed to shit by the internet, but street cred is an actual thing in that world and jail-time or committing crime or just having the balls to throw hands or challenge others is a big part of building credibility as a top dog.Small correction: Bloods and Crips as being a national and international phenomenon started in the 90s as a direct result of LA rap music being broadcast nationally and internationally by the big record labels.
Here is a DJ Quik song from 1992 talking about the phenomenon.
>>12736>If you think about it's obvious, that the industrial center of pop music, would promote its local gang culture to prevail over all others.I should find you some rap songs from the 90s of NY rappers bitching about LA gang culture taking over NY until we have the Blood hits like:
>>12737 in 2017
>>12409People are still singing Woodie Guthrie songs 90 years later.
No one will remember a single Nas or Kendrick song 90 years from now.
>>12879Mmm I dunno. Some rap songs have had some real longevity. I'd say rap is more poignant and relatable than most rock.
This song is still very relevant 30 years later because everyone still gets their welfare and SSI on the first of the month.
Nearly every major male black rapper from the 1990s and 2000s was a homosexual, trafficker, and CIA “prison-to-profit” plants, and the revelations relating to the homosexual grooming activities and orgies orchestrated by Sean Combs (“P. Diddy”) have only verified this notion. It is no mere coincedence that Eazy E contracted and died of AIDS, in spite ot his comical “no homo” death bed statement, and nearly every ostensibly ultra-macho “gangsta” rapper (including 50 cent, Usher, Andre 3000, Eazy, Tupac, Nelly, Ludacris, and P. Diddy) was deeply gay or “flexible” and actively groomed and trafficked young boys like Usher and Justin Bieber.
“The dealer also alleged that numerous celebrities, including well-known rappers and female entertainers, were regular attendees at Diddy's infamous parties. While the source did not name names, he indicated that some of the biggest figures in the music industry were involved in these events, and witnessing their behavior led him to lose respect for them. The allegations claim that these high-profile individuals would openly engage in sexual encounters, sometimes in the presence of others, while under the influence of drugs. The dealer noted that, in some cases, the scenes were so disturbing that it was hard to believe that these were the same public figures adored by millions around the world. He went as far as to say that after seeing their behavior at these parties, he could never take them seriously again.”
>>13215>ultra-macho “gangsta” rapper (including 50 cent, Usher, Andre 3000, Eazy, Tupac, Nelly, Ludacris, and P. Diddy) Lol. Lmao. These guys were 'macho' to you?
You have to be to young and just googling for artists names, jfc.
That's hilarious lmfao.
>>13225>Lol. Lmao. These guys were 'macho' to you? >You have to be to young and just googling for artists names, jfc.>That's hilarious lmfao.Andre 3000, macho gangster rapper kek.
She's just White.
>>1322650 Cent is cool… I love this video when he's in some industrial scrapyard with natural gas flares igniting in the background.
>>13215Hey that's my flag you chinlet!
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