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 [Last 50 Posts]

Rap is extremely politically incorrect, liberally uses the gamer word, glorifies guns, thug, culture, and misogyny. It's everything /pol/ loves. Is it just because they hate blacks more?

 

>>12406
the widely acclaimed speaker, writer, journalist, and political analyst Caleb Maupin has entered the chat

 

Rap breaks eurocentric conventions of composition and often challenges neolib worldviews. Of course the corpo stuff tries to domesticate it, but it's got well preserved history and they resent that.

Also yes it's because mostly marginalized people make it.

 

>>12406
> 3. It’s a known fact the CIA promoted rap to turn black youths against actual proletarian music like anti-war American folk.
And what exactly is the difference between Woodie Guthrie singing about being a hobo during the Depression and Nas rapping about growing up in the Queensbridge Projects?

 

>>12409
nothing really, they both are at their core anti-establishment anthems made by and for the people. it takes a nation of millions to hold us back and tpab both sing jas true as guthrie does

 

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>>12406
>1. Rap has no melody.
Shakespeare has no melody either. But it still has rhythm and rhyme.

 

>>12410
Yes, and I've been arguing on here a million times that hip hop is the music that the generation which will actually build socialism listens to. No one cares about old Americana shit anymore except – ironically – hipster gentrifiers who play it at their bars. You'd be shocked at how many purple-haired grad students love Appalachian folk music.

 

>>12412
>Yes, and I've been arguing on here a million times that hip hop is the music that the generation which will actually build socialism listens to. No one cares about old Americana shit anymore except – ironically – hipster gentrifiers who play it at their bars. You'd be shocked at how many purple-haired grad students love Appalachian folk music.
That's a dumb argument. Whatever trash that's on the radio currently "is the music that the generation which will actually build socialism listens to" or the rather the generation with the highest probability of building socialism(but still potentially ~0% chance.)

 

>>12413
You're aware millennials and zoomers aren't becoming more conservative as we age, right? I'm 35 and still as radical as I was when I was 19, if not moreso.

 

>>12413
>the radio
Long dead ancient tech. Kids download music they hear about from their friends and the artists they follow online.

 

>>12415
>Long dead ancient tech. Kids download music they hear about from their friends and the artists they follow online.
Why is everyone still listening to Taylor Swift then?

 

>>12419
stan culture on social media

 

>>12415
>Radio is totally dead guyz!
Ok burger.

 

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>>12405
>Rap is
<proceeds to give a massive, incorrect generalization about all rap based on the fact that they're a teenager who never listened to OG rap or knows its history or its variation.
The CIA did psyop hip-hop and thug-culture into what most modern pop-rap is, but rap as a general genre originates from the grass-roots and takes many directions. It expresses what the person WANTS to express, and trashiness is based on how trash or good the person is at rhythm and music.
This entire thread is full of underage pseuds that don't remember what the rap-scene was like 2-3 decades ago, and how different it was.

Also /pol/acks don't hate rap, they hate mainstream rap and the associated thugs that make it. Rap music was in memes (including /pol/ ones) since /pol/ came into being. DMX, Biggie and Gangsters Paradise are famous in part because the music got utilized in various videos so hard, including by /pol/.

 

>>12406
go back dork

 

Interesting how rappers self destruct so easily.

 

>>12422
> Black gang culture was entirely forced on Black communities by whites.
You had me up until this. It wasn't forced on them by "whites", whites in the late 1970s were not a hive-mind bent on creating thugs, the CIA and US Government made rational decisions to undermine Black Rights Movements, precisely because they rejected idpol dichotomies dividing whites and blacks and instead called for a brotherhood, which was gaining influence. Besides, by that time the CIA and other government agencies had plenty of black members in them taking part in it… because the truth has always been that history is that of class struggle.

>>12424

>Why are so many rap songs about hatred of white working-class people like the police?
>2424
LMAO checked, but you do realize that often enough black police officers are often involved in abusing black citizens, right? There was an entire unit in Chicago that had a reputation for harassing and attacking black people and the entire unit was black or latino.

 


 

>>12426
>gang affiliations
Gangs are notoriously hard to leave and many rappers who come from the streets find themselves in between a rock and a hard place with trying to grow a rap career whereby they have to be in the public eye and continue their street activities where they need to lay low.

>drug overdoses

Unless someone is deliberately trying to overdose one thinks the next pill or hit of blow is going to kill them.

>medical deaths

You do realize medical racism is a thing, right? Many Black men in particular are terrified of doctors given the history of the white supremacist medical establishment abusing and belittling them. Forced sterilizations of Black people were going on well into the 1960s. British healthcare is no different in that it also has a stark history of racism. It's a lot deeper than "Black people don't care about their own health".

 

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>>12415
>Long dead ancient tech. Kids download music they hear about from their friends and the artists they follow online.
<Why is everyone still listening to Taylor Swift then?
>>12420
>stan culture on social media

You: only listen to top 40 billboard artists because you listen to top 40 radio

I: only listen to top 40 billboard artists because of recommendations from friends and artists I follow online

We are not the same.

 

>>12431
Yes, that's literally what I said.

 

>>12426
Cool! Now do white rock stars from the 1970s.

 

>>12405
>liberally uses the gamer word, glorifies guns, thug, culture, and misogyny
Care to post examples?

 

>>12437
Wait, DaBaby is back??

 

>>12426
I love the subtle racism in this screenshot.

 

>>12439
>subtle

 

>>12426
King Von's death was the epitome of FAFO.

 

>>12405
>Why do /pol/acks hate rap?
Racism.
>Rap is extremely politically incorrect
Mah uygha, you think they care? They only care about it when it's convenient to them: they're anti-SJW only when their side doesn't get criticized for snowflake behavior, they're anti-idpol only when progressives are doing it. The fact that the phrase "anti-PC" is associated with them is laughable because the moment conservatives are in power the /pol/tards will shout about how "based" and "redpilled" they are for censoring people. Same with incels: incels were always useful idiots to them because they'd be considered "degenerates" and "the life unworthy of life" in the Nazi Germany.

 

>>12419
taylor swift came at the ending era of the radio, 2008-2010, and gained large popularity, enough to have people download and listen to her music until ~2019, when stan culture picked up steam, now with a sizable fandom for swift to use. the final piece to make her popularity lasting was the release of the taylor's version albums

 

Any retarded sentiments related or adjacent to "rap isn't music/its CIA/its a psyop/its all thugs and bitches" or [insert any other black genre like jazz or reggae] is banned on this board.

Actually listen to music before contributing to this otherwise inactive board.

 

>>12426
Wow, it’s almost as if marginalized people are more prone to falling into drugs, gangs, and medical nightmares.

 

>>12426
>>12446
>guys I think people from poor neighborhoods and slums die earlier in fucked up circumstances
hmmmmm I wonder if theres some sort of underlying economic system that leads to these conditions

 

>>12409
>And what exactly is the difference between Woodie Guthrie singing about being a hobo during the Depression and Nas rapping about growing up in the Queensbridge Projects?
Ask this question to MAGAcomms and all they’ll answer with is overt racism.

 

>>12426
Juice WRLD literally died from boofing.

 

some of the younger ones do
hip hop is widely accepted by white suburban zoomer boys nowadays thanks to heavy commercialization and the fact that youre seen weird for being into euroclassical music at this point

 

>>12452
it's worth nothing rap is music, so anyone can listen to it
it's not like they're meeting the rapper in person by listening to it
and at the end of the day, of course, they don't take it very seriously, just seeing it as silly pop music or whatever

 

>>12409
>And what exactly is the difference between Woodie Guthrie singing about being a hobo during the Depression and Nas rapping about growing up in the Queensbridge Projects?
How many woody guthrie songs celebrate murder? Hobos aren't murderers bragging about conspicuous consumption.

 

>>12449
What's boofing?

 

I don't like rap, because I don't find any connections with it. No melody, vulgar words in the lyrics, lyrics containing references to crimes. I can't relate to it. But I admit, I prefer rock (not that sex, drugs rock 'n' roll kinda thing), metal, jazz, blues, folk some classical etc.

 

>>12456
When you give yourself a ethanol enema.

 

You mistake rap for it's tropes. Strip away that stuff and it's basically an instrument, and one that's not part of the classical western European traditional repertoire. Black people figured out a cool way to do spoken word poem to music, and it pisses chvds off.

Like I bet something like this would piss them off even more, using classical elements with rap and working great. Right wingers are essentialists, they believe that humanity evolved into a single point by a survival of the fittest process–rather than diversifying to increase the chances of surviving in a process of survival of good enough, like in real life–and that any deviation from this era of perfection is either degenerative or pre-programmed roles, with any anomalies being a paradox to be sorted into the aforementioned categories. Rap is new kinda, an improvement over the old, an improvement made by what they deem an enemy tribe, and they have to scream about how bad it is so people won't realize it's an improvement.

 

>>12442 (me)
Also, being "un-PC" is "based and redpilled" but being a criminal is "RACE TREASON!!" and "NON-WHITE BEHAVIOR!!" Because as wise men once said, true rebels follow the law, not fight the system in any meaningful way… unless the law is Jewish, then it's a fair game apparently. Like shooting minorities… unless shooting minorities is a Jewish psyop to make "national socialists" look bad.

I'm telling you, these motherfuckers would rather think Stirner was Jewish unless they find something in his text that serves as an excuse to hurt minorities.

 

>>12511
>Black people figured out a cool way to do spoken word poem to music, and it pisses chvds off.
Man, white "spoken word" is so lame, just poetry reading with background music. This is so boring, thank you, black people, you've saved us whites from our misery. Jesus.

 

>>12520
Well from what I can tell, the trick in rhythm. Like pantameter lets you speak in a rhythm, but a lot of musical advancements in rhythm emerged from Jazz and stuff, thus emerges rap.

 

>>12405
>Is it just because they hate blacks more?
yes. and because they love all that shit when white guys do it and consider it based but when blacks do it its proof of them being low IQ savages

 

>>12426
Doom died because the hospital gave him the wrong medication and it killed him. British healthcare is dogshit anyway.

 

>>12532
AKA medical racism

Prodigy’s death was also arguably a case of medical racism too.

 

>>12536
I read his autobiography and tbh he was kind of a dumbass to be going to hot climates with his condition. It wasn't the first time he almost died doing that. He had a story about he was hospitalized in India and the doctor sent his thug friends out into the black market to procure medicine lol.

 

>>12537
BTW I recommend giving it a read/listen if you're a fan. He's so authentic he shares about how he wet the bed at ages older than usual and fucked his cousin lol.

 

>>12537
Some people with chronic illness would rather live out their lives than be “cautious” though.

Also, again there’s a legitimate reason why Black folks are skeptical of the medical establishment.

 

>>12540
Well that wasn't his issue. He didn't avoid treatment or medicine, he was just reckless in taking precaution.

 

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>A chart topper in his native Sweden, C.Gambino had a million monthly listeners on Spotify and recently released a new single.

>The hip hop star received a Grammi - Sweden's most prestigious music prize which is equivalent to the American Grammy Award - just a few weeks ago.


>C.Gambino's most recent track, 'Sista Gang' (Last Time), was released on May 31 and has been streamed 700,000 times since then on Swedish site Spotify.


<Pic 3

>C. Gambino's death comes just a few years after the shooting of another high-profile Swedish rapper, 19-year-old Nils Kurt Erik Einar Grönberg, who went by the name Einár

 

>>12547
>racist Swedish rappers
It shouldn't make sense. And yet, it does.

 

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>>12547
C. Gambino got taken out by the guy he stole his name from. Donald Glover got shooters!

 

>>12547
He looks so fucking dumb in that mask. Especially in the zoomed out shot. My word.

 

Why is so much "socially conscious" rap just woke garbage nowadays? I listen to rap from the 90s and it was all pro-NOI, pro-BPP, pro-Assata, etc. Today's "conscious rap" is just grad student shit.

 

>>12562
The short answer is, there was a time between the fall of the USSR and 9/11 where mainstream pop culture was allowed to be edgy and invoke radical leftist, Black liberationist, or anti-capitalist themes because Amerika didn't have an overt enemy "over there". Rage Against the Machine was also huge during that time. A lot of rappers embraced Black nationalism and a lot of songs during that time were either praising Black liberationists (like song in vidrel which came out in 2000) or talking about real class struggle in the hood.

After 9/11 you couldn't say anything about US imperialism, how fucked up capitalism was, how evil the police are, and whatnot because you would essentially get cancelled (look at what happened to the Dixie Chicks for instance: three white women were blackballed by the industry for taking shots at Bush's Iraq invasion).

 

>>12537
>>12538
What was cringeworthy was how after Prodigy died the internet claimed he was "sacrificed" because he exposed the Illuminati or some shit, even though he suffered from sickle cell and (as you pointed out) was in shit health for most of his life.

 

>>12547
>C.Gambino
>Real Name - Karar Ali Salem Ramadan
>Hailing from Angered, Gothenburg

 

>>12536
Britain doesn’t have the same race relations as America so I don’t know why you’re attributing it to racism.

 

>>12405
Because fascism is at its heart an entirely contradictory ideology. The same people who hate rap because it's made by Black people despite holding to the same values said rap music is promoting (like hyper-masculinity, misogyny, homophobia, hatred of the established order) are the same people who claim Jews are simultaneously strong and weak at the same time.

>>12426
>took too many pills
Juice WRLD was frantically trying to hide the drugs his gang was smuggling. He died because he was in hysterics and acted on impulse.

>could've survived if he had stayed in the damn hospital

End-of-life care in America is a sham. The only reason Canada has MAiD and America doesn't is because terminally ill people aren't profitable in a healthcare system that isn't based on profit. Yes, medical technology has greatly advanced so that we can keep sick people alive for much longer but it's made it so there's no practical limit to what a hospital in America can spend keeping someone alive. Theoretically speaking a hospital could pump $10 million worth of oxygen into what's essentially a mangled corpse. That's more value than the vast majority of people make during their entire working lives, even a music producer with several gold records to his name.

We can agree that there should be a communal duty to care for the sick and disabled, but you can't reasonably argue there should be no limit to life extending care. If I ever get that sick I'd rather die on my own terms rather than dying with tubes shoved in my nose and down my throat with the rest of my family now having to pay the bill.

 

>>12572
britain definitely has racism that's fairly similar to the US man

 

>>12575
>The only reason Canada has MAiD and America doesn't is because terminally ill people aren't profitable in a healthcare system that isn't based on profit.

Except MAiD is the peak of capitalism. Kill off people who aren’t “useful” to the system. People are given MAiD for poverty and autism now. That’s evil. Fuck you for justifying it.

 

MAGA types have tried to appropriate it but it kind of sucks.

 

>>12539
>pretentious academic term from post-colonial studies
4chan gamerchair nazi challenge: "speak to a single black person and actually listen to them talk about their alienation without making the conversation about you" (difficulty level: never happened before)
>doesn't mean racism in the everyday sense
black people deal with racism in the medical industry everyday.
> If you can prove [racism exists] then be my guest.
Your mother should have been sterilized the way black prisoners frequently are

 

>>12581
How do you know it’s racism and not just capitalism?

 

>>12583
Touch grass and wake up to the real world, kid

 

>>12578
Look, I'm not saying "euthanize all terminally ill people." Quite the opposite.

>Except MAiD is the peak of capitalism. Kill off people who aren’t “useful” to the system.

In a for-profit healthcare system like you see in America anti-eugenics becomes just as capitalistic as eugenics. There's no practical limit to what a hospital can spend keeping someone alive. Keeping people who are on death's door artificially alive for a few more weeks or months is highly profitable for doctors and hospitals which is why they do it. Because of the advancement in medical technology treatment is so technologically advanced that it involves suffering a loss of dignity with tubes down the patient's throat and spending more money than the patient has earned in their entire life just to lie there in a coma or in agony. At some point, it's better to say "fuck it" and be home for your last days where you can die on your own terms.

Like I'm Canadian and I fully understand why people don't like MAiD due to the handful of times when it's been misapplied (like the guy who chose MAiD to deal with poverty or the woman who applied for MAiD because she couldn't afford a new wheelchair) but I will never oppose MAiD all together for this very reason. If America were to have such a thing you can be sure the AMA would lobby against it since it's lost profits for them.

 

>>12591
Euthanasia shouldn't be allowed for people that aren't terminally ill. It's just too much of a bad precedent.

 

>>12592
Depends on what you mean by terminal. Some people have chronic conditions that aren't terminal but leave them in a lot of pain to the point where they'd rather die. Some people suffer from debilitating mental health conditions. Quality of life should always outweigh quantity of life. It's not as black and white as you think.

 

>>12593
I guess maybe there's some kind of zero quality of life situations where I would also think it's acceptable, how do you stop the boundaries being pushed though? Like you might initially say only a quadrepeligic could have no quality of life but how do you stop a doctor approving it for depression or something?

 

>>12594
To play devil's advocate, why should there be boundaries? For the sake of argument, is depression not a debilitating illness that many would rather die than live with?

 

>>12581
>4chan gamerchair nazi
Why do you instantly assume I'm a "4chan gamerchair nazi?" I'm a Stirnerite, this is ridiculous. I just don't see a difference between actual medical racism and simple neglect in your example. How do you know this doesn't affect whites too?
>Your mother should have been sterilized the way black prisoners frequently are
Calm down.

 

>>12578
>>12591
At this point if I’m concerned about eugenics I wouldn’t even be afraid of MAiD but CRISPR. Literal Gattaca shit.

 

>>12405
>Rap is extremely politically incorrect, liberally uses the gamer word, glorifies guns, thug, culture, and misogyny. It's everything /pol/ loves.
Post examples of this ITT.

 

>>12427
>Besides, by that time the CIA and other government agencies had plenty of black members in them taking part in it
lol not in the 60s/70s. feds being diverse is relatively recent back then it was all mormons and ex yale lacrosse players

 

>>12611
Lol I already did but it looks like it was deleted. Why do you pretend like it's possible to have a discussion on this website?

 

>>12611
>Post examples of this ITT.
This is how circular every discussion is on leftypol. Literally already asked and answered:
>>12435
>Care to post examples?
>>12437
>>12438
>Wait, DaBaby is back??

 

>>12614
And for reference all I did was look up the top music charts, right in the top 5 was this song. All I did was post the lyrics and showed how the song fit every category OP described.

 

>>12426
XXXTentacion was killed by (((Drake))) for exposing his pedophilia and homosexuality.

 

Has rap become woke? In Civil War, Tech censors himself saying the gamer word. Back in the Bush era, he had no problem with it. And Eminem doesn't use faggot anymore. There's also that Digable Planets rap about abortion rights that's so lame it makes me sympathize with pro-lifers.

 

>>12615
I don't hear any misogyny in the song.
Dababy is a trap rapper, so of course his lyrical content is going to involve grandstanding, drug dealing, and violence.
Odds are, the only thing that brought the song to top was the fact that it's a cover of Kendrick's song, in which Kendrick calls drake a pedophile for 3 minutes.
/pol/acks should love that song.

 

>>12623
>I don't hear any misogyny in the song.
Lol when I did my original post I was fair to the song in that regard. I said "maybe not misogyny per se but definitely chauvinism." I'm not a super feminist so I'm not the right guy to call what is misogynies or not.

>Dababy is a trap rapper, so of course his lyrical content is going to involve grandstanding, drug dealing, and violence.

We went straight from?
>>12611
>Post examples of this ITT.
>>12435
>Care to post examples?

To,
>uhh well of course popular rap music is going to do all of those things, it's rap music

Well sometimes you have to prove common sense facts because some idiots will play dumb about it which is what I was doing.

 


 

>>12625
>I grab her by her neck and look in her eyes whenever she ride me
>Block a bitch, delete her motherfuckin' number
>I ain't finna talk to you 'til the end of motherfuckin' summer
>That fuckin' 'round with me bad for you baby, better off doin' heroin
>And she know I like to get head from her, gettin' head better when her hair long
>A bitch got 'bout two weeks for me to care, 'cause I don't really care long
>I'm tryna see 'bout her friend who wanna fuck, so now she mad at me

So mostly bragging about how he uses women for sex, plays with their emotions, and callously discards them. I'll leave it to you do decide the misogyny levels.

 

Let's look at the top music charts for youtube today.
>#9 for all music in America: NoCap - Baby Drake

Verse 1 first line:
>Damn, I hate these uyghas so much, NoCap a Nazi

Reminds me of some other classic lines to the same effect:
Nas:
>Kidnap the president's wife without a plan
>And hangin' uyghas like the Ku Klux Klan

Kool John:
>Keeping uyghas out of reach I don't fuck with uyghas
>Bitch I'm like Wanda Sykes I don't fuck with uyghas

 

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>The lumpenproletariat is passive decaying matter of the lowest layers of the old society, is here and there thrust into the [progressive] movement by a proletarian revolution; [however,] in accordance with its whole way of life, it is more likely to sell out to reactionary intrigues.

 

>>12629
Playing this shit with my friends is one of my fondest childhood memories

 

>>12625
I was merely pointing out that the general public probably likes the watered down and boring meaning of dababy's song, over the pointed and critical content of Kendrick's.
I don't think there's some sort of conspiracy pushing trap and drill music over other genres of hip hop, especially considering hip hop is no longer as relevant as it was just 8 years ago.
I was talking to my friend about this the other day, and he mentioned how a lot of hip hop artists are turning into a fusion of hip hop and country. It makes sense, it appeals to the same people: lower class southerners.

 

>>12629
>50 Cent is lumpen
Since fucken when? All the black lumpenproles and lumpenbougies are selling crack in the ghettos instead of getting rich off of rap songs.

 

>>12415
>Long dead ancient tech.
Mf dissing radio so bad smh. 😐

 

>>12650
>50 Cent is lumpen
>Since fucken when?
Stupid zoomer

 

>gamer word

 


 

>>12655
Fiddy almost went bankrupt.

 

>>12650
>>12655
What does any of this have to do with his relevance to the quote? He was a lumpen, and he sold out to reactionary interests.

>instead of getting rich off of rap songs.

In a wider sense, maybe you could consider all rappers as sellouts to reactionary interests.

 

>>12426
Don't forget all the rappers who were killed for making diss tracks.

 

>>12445
>Any retarded sentiments related or adjacent to "rap isn't music/its CIA/its a psyop/its all thugs and bitches"
It's literally part of the thread topic?
Also Ice Cube and a former CIA agent literally talk about this; John Homeston, a 'retired' CIA agent, admitted on National Russian Television (NTV) that hip hop was a psy-op invented by the CIA in the 1980s and the agency has directed and financed household name artists including NWA, Dr. Dre, Jay-Z and Kanye West and stated that the reasoning by the CIA was that promoting certain lyrics and ideas would cause division and nihilism in the American population (the people) leading to people with apathetic attitudes about societal ills (dousing revolutionary flames) and leading to a populace racially at odds with one another, a good example of which was the 1992 LA riots where primarily Black rioters who were sick of the LAPD's CRASH program and in particular the Rodney King ruling rose up, but because of racial divisions, Koreans, Chinese, Whites and Latino's were the targets of their anger. The number of cops and feds killed or injured in those riots was minimal compared to the number of ordinary people of any races who got hurt. As a side not that was precisely the time and place where Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Ice Cube and other members of NWA started off.
This was part of the CIA's ghettoization of America, after they and the FBI killed Black Panther and Black Rights leaders or jailed them and their followers while moving African Americans into ghettos and funneling Cocaine and Heroin into them. Read Gary Webb's Alliance of Darkness for more detail on that.

Ice Cube in an interview said, verbatim in an interview with Bill Maher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsrupdk3lsI
>“It’s not about making somebody write the lyrics. It’s about being there as guard rails to make sure certain songs don’t get through and certain songs don’t. Some records are made by a committee.”
He stated this after Bill Maher had tried to claim that the Government hadn't technically forced rappers to write the lyrics they did, which Ice-Cube rebuked.

To clarify I listen to rap when I'm in the mood, I know all the classics, 2Pac, Biggie, DMX, Ice Cube, Cool J etc. and I'm generally pretty old-school in my tastes, it's what I grew up around (among many other genres) so I know the scene. Rappers, the real ones who came up on the street, all know exactly what is being talking about, it isn't glorious, and they state it openly, but at the same time, the street thug culture, REQUIRES you to be aggressive and pumping yourself up in words and actions, because that's how you get taken seriously and respected. Mike Tyson talks about this too and he has a short but perfect exemplification of this, vid rel.

Most modern rappers don't know this shit, they grew up in times when life wasn't as crazy and breaking out into music is easier (ergo the meme about soundcloud rappers) and so a lot of lame garbage gets made and released, when in the past it wouldn't go anywhere because groups like Death Row Records, gatekept it, and to avoid serious prosecution they would listen to the CIA, who did the same thing for all genres of media at the time, from films, to books to art and so on.

 

>>12704
>>12426
Old school Rapper culture was intrinsically tied to the gangs, particularly different chapters of bloods and crips, something going back to the old 80s-90s. It's been memed to shit by the internet, but street cred is an actual thing in that world and jail-time or committing crime or just having the balls to throw hands or challenge others is a big part of building credibility as a top dog. Its a machismo built on the fact that to avoid being attacked you need to have a name for yourself or at least be associated with a big name to ward off people attacking you because of the backlash that would follow. It's why drive-bys rom stolen vehicles were and remain a common tactic in murders of rivals - it's pretty anonymous if you blitz through, spraying bullets and making everyone dead or duck for cover, then getting the hell out of dodge and dumping the car and lying low. It peaked in the late 80s - early 90s then defused after the LA riots of 1992.
Vids rel carry across some of this (and they're a mean beat too).

 

>>12720
>muh small business owners
Would you say the same about the Palestine protests going on now? Namely, that far more synagogues and Jewish-owned small businesses have been targeted than politicians or weapons manufacturers.

Would you say the Palestine protests are the products of a psy-op like the LA riots allegedly were? Or do the Palestine protesters have legitimate grievances with Hewish-owned small businesses whereas Black folks in LA didn’t?

 

>>12724
>muh small business owners
<Everything is le small business owners!
I'm sure Fidel Lopez and Reginald Denny "totally" deserved to be attacked for no reason, their ancestors were probably (maybe, not really) le white slavers right!? Get fucked, you don't know what it was like you underage moron. Also I never specified small business owners. Denial of fact is not an argument; the LA riots harmed almost no cops or feds and primarily targeted vulnerable areas where the police specifically did not respond to 911 calls. Most people who died or were injured were those attacked by rioters, caught in the crossfire of gang shootouts with other gangs or cops or were the casualties of people defending themselves in a city where the state essentially relinquished its authority for several days, to the point that even Rodney King, a man who himself knew the streets and was a part of that life called for people to 'get along'.
https://abc7.com/la-riots-los-angeles-fidel-lopez-riot-coverage/1931815/
>far more synagogues and Jewish-owned small businesses have been targeted
Random fucking tangent that has no relevancy. Palestine protests are by people that hear about shit going on in another part of the world. The LA riots were something that happened to the people that rioted and was a result of the CRASH program boiling over despite the feds knowing that would be the result.
>Would you say the same about the Palestine protests going on now
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
Netanyahu was literally using Mossad to fund Hamas and Agents Provocateurs have been used during the Palestinian protests of the past to provide a basis for harsh crackdowns by Israel and the United States on Palestine. There have been several attempts to co-opt the Palestine movement into a Jew-hating one that would provide basis for harsh response. Furthermore I was specifically talking about the Rap scene and the environment that it developed in, which is specific and different from this false equivalency you keep trying to push.
>whereas Black folks in LA didn’t
African-Americans did not have a legitimate reason to attack various immigrants or ordinary working people, despite their righteous anger over the Rodney King ruling, anymore than Palestinian protestors have a right to kill or attack ordinary Israeli people. This is not a contradiction, the working class attacking other members of the working class based on race is exactly what Porky wants you dumb fuck, as is promotion of lumpen attitudes - rejection of work obsession with money and fame, selling/using drugs etc. consumerism. This kind of attitude is reactionary drivel; the Red Army explicitly prohibited such action against the German people as being uncommunist and subhuman, something only a Nazi would stoop to. Notice how the police pointedly defended the few gentrified areas belonging to the rich 1% and let the rest of LA fall into chaos, letting it burn itself out before marching the National Guard in suffering little to no casualties while ~ 70 ordinary people were killed and thousands injured, almost none of them a fed/cop/porky. The only good thing achieved was the Watt's Truce between a couple chapters of the bloods and crips.

TL;DR: Stop talking about shit you don't know jack shit about, and stop making such blatantly liberal false equivalencies, assholes like you are the reason racial tensions between working class people still exist in this day and age, because you can't stand a critical analysis of what happened and the forces at play. But y'know what, here's a suggest and come to LA or Chicago or Atlanta, go into gang territory and start mouthing off, see how far that gets you.

 


 

>>12721
>ld school Rapper culture was intrinsically tied to the gangs, particularly different chapters of bloods and crips, something going back to the old 80s-90s. It's been memed to shit by the internet, but street cred is an actual thing in that world and jail-time or committing crime or just having the balls to throw hands or challenge others is a big part of building credibility as a top dog.
Small correction: Bloods and Crips as being a national and international phenomenon started in the 90s as a direct result of LA rap music being broadcast nationally and internationally by the big record labels.

Here is a DJ Quik song from 1992 talking about the phenomenon.

 

>>12734
Before the industrial rap music spread the Blood and Crip phenomenon from LA to the rest of the nation. Each city had their own gang culture. Lots of interesting gang history.

 

>>12735
>Before the industrial rap music spread the Blood and Crip phenomenon from LA to the rest of the nation.
If you think about it's obvious, that the industrial center of pop music, would promote its local gang culture to prevail over all others.

 


 

>>12736
>If you think about it's obvious, that the industrial center of pop music, would promote its local gang culture to prevail over all others.
I should find you some rap songs from the 90s of NY rappers bitching about LA gang culture taking over NY until we have the Blood hits like:
>>12737 in 2017

 

>>12738
>>12737
Suu whoop!

 

>>12734
>>12735
>>12736
Yeah, I said 80s-90s because it kinda started off in the late 80s to early 90s period, it's a bit unclear.

 

>>12740
Bloods and Crips weren't outside of LA until 90s.

 

>>12405
You knew the answer already (they're racist), but this actually isn't true. Right wing guys esp. young ones love to appropriate rap when it's useful to them and denigrate it when it's not.

 

It's not glorification, it's just music made where the material conditions make these things a constant consideration in one's daily life.

 

Another clout martyr.

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