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Don't listen to it bub!

The nerds in "hip-hop" can kill themselves

>nerds in hip hop
Get off twitter, but if this vexes you:
1. Hip hop is music
2. Music is math and performance art
3. Math and performance arts are nerd activities.
4. All hip hop artists are nerds
>Hip-hop is already far too globalized
It's a genre of music, get off twitter.

>>16171
>>16173
How do you read all that text and think it's complaining about rap you illiterates? It's almost entirely descriptive.

>>16174
Machine-generated posting

>>16170
funnily enough conscious and afrocentric rap didnt come around til a couple years into hip hop. the original wave of hip hop was kurtis blow and other party music acts

>>16174
I only skim read it because it just seemed like some nonsense discourse-of-the-week, "The Nerds In Rap Discussion™️," and wingeing about rap as a genre as though it can be generally represented by high production, "popular" (which is impossible to gauge in regard to music and attempts at it get co-opted by marketing) examples of the genre. OP being unable to conceptuallize rap as being merely a genre and thus having musicians of every class making examples of it that appeal to their own class through relatable expression, probably because the radio/spotify/whatever just shows them the bourgoise rap by default.

On closer reading my skim reading skills were spot on.

The "nerds in poetry" discussion is ridiculous because they all end up abstracting "nerd" to reflect various types of intelligent and/or intellectual expression they don't like. So it almost always funnels down to a "poetry is for ignorant incoherent British always on hash and snuff" logic. If it then circles back to its original premise of "Dutch nerds and execs took the culture out of the game" then that's a nothingburger convo, taming down the aspects of services that don't match bourgeois tastes is inevitable, since all art is made for bourgeois audiences anyways.

Rhyming verse is already far too globalized, subsequently curated and promoted to cater to middle-class tastes and sensibilities world over; it's too far gone. These days any conversation that takes rhyming verse back to its social roots is hardly insightful yap about how art is consumed in bourgeois society, or other uninsightful, unnuanced, corny social commentary that often devolves into leftie Irish type racism or the milquetoast rightoid kind, especially since these tend to be the only types that fixate on the question, obviously without inquiry.

>>16173
at best it's pretty rudimentary math, and performance arts isn't nerdy, tho it isn't exactly a stereotypical jock chad interest either ig

>>16214
Well the math is as simple as ya want it to be. Livecoding music can get pretty wacky with it.

frank ocean's 'blonde' is garbage

>>16170
Hiphop is undergoing a similar development as jazz did in the 60s and 70s. From a frowned upon counter-cultural movement to an art form respected by academics and institutions, which in a racist, majority white settler state, are gonna be white. As a result i do think we're getting some of the most artistically subtle production and lyricism the genre has seen, but it also results in it moving away from being a vehicle of black working-class expression. I think that's just kind of inevitable for any genres that reach this level of popularity.

That being said, hiphop has actually done an impressive job at staying in touch with the culture on the streets, and the most successful artists are generally that can pull off both. Rappers that cater to the nerds exclusively stay underground, or get that nerd stench on em eventually.