What is the real story of September 11, 2001? Was it an op? Did they let it happen? Was it actually just gross incompetence? What do you think and why?
>>81OPERATION CYCLONE:
- This all happened Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and George HW Bush's watch
- US textbook publishers based in Texas produced Islamic religious fundamentalist textbooks for the Mujahideen. These textbooks are still used by the Taliban to this day. These textbooks included math problem that used jihad and violent combat situations as examples.
- The CIA provided Afghan fundamentalists with stinger missiles, and trained them to use these missiles, which they used to down several Soviet Helicopters.
- Congressman Charlie Wilson himself traveled to Afghanistan hoping to get a chance to use a stinger missile to kill soviet soldiers from afar.
- Several Saudi princes and business magnates did "war tourism" in Afghanistan. Showing up to shoot rifles on camera, and then leave. Basically the 1980s version of faking something for social media clout.
- The CIA coordinated with the Pakistani ISI and Saudi Arabians (including Osama Bin Laden, *some argue*) to arm, train, and fund the Mujahideen.
- All of this was to bait the Soviet union into a costly "Vietnamese-style quagmire" in Afghanistan, which their military was not equipped or prepared to fight. Some scholars, mostly in the US, still "debate" whether the USA was arming rebels in Afghanistan before the Soviets intervened even though Carter's National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted as much.
- The socialist government of Afghanistan (which only really held power in *Kabul*, and other urban areas, it should be noted) appealed to the soviet union for aid several times, and were turned down, because the Soviets did not want to get stuck in that kind of war.
- Eventually the Soviets intervened after Taraki was assassinated by Hafizullah Amin, and Russian border towns were being attacked by Mujahideen.
- The Soviet intervention united Mujahideen factions which were previously infighting under a nationalist and religious identity.
- An increasingly desperate Hafizullah Amin attempted to appeal to the religious and nationalist sentiments in most of the country by pretending to be religious and handing out Qurans at speeches.
- KGB special forces and red army infantry actually fought each other in Kabul due to logistical confusion. The KGB was trying to assassinate Hafizullah Amin, who had assassinated Taraki, while the Red Army was instructed to protect him. This resulted in Soviets killing each other early in the war.
- Leonid Brezhnev, echoing George W Bush in the future, promised a quick and decisive police action in Afghanistan. The soviets were there for the entirety of the 1980s.
NINE ELEVEN:
The absurdity of America's response to 9/11 cannot be understated:
* 9/11 was orchestrated by a Saudi multimillionaire heir to a construction and real estate company (Osama Bin Laden).
* [Afghanistan had been on a road to socialism until the USA backed the far right mujahideen against the incumbent Taraki government. A government that was actively educating women and redistributing wealth.](
https://archive.fo/XoLaF) All to give the soviets a bloody nose by forcing them into a costly intervention to defend an ally at their border.
* The Bin Laden family has close ties to both the Saudi Royal Family as well as the American and British private sector.
* [Bin Laden was called an "anti soviet warrior" by an English newspaper in the 90s. ](
https://external-preview.redd.it/GAehtUD6RJjbSGBBwotabY2fpuUkftcDxU0bnSv57aA.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=8b0e31087ea1f587d7498e72941a981b7c7c41db)
* 9/11 was carried out by [15 Saudi extremists, 2 UAE extremists, 1 Egyptian extremist, and 1 Lebanese extremist.](
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks#Hijackers)
* [American intelligence at the very least knew something was happening in advance and did nothing about it.](
https://archive.is/Cdb8d)
* [The most substantive warning came from an Afghan member of the anti-Taliban northern alliance in April 2001.](
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks&oldid=1066753944#April_2001_Massoud_speech)
* In retaliation for 9/11 (allegedly), America invaded and destabilized Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Yemen. All countries that had nothing to do with the planning, funding, or execution of 9/11.
* [Yemen in particular has millions starving to death, the largest cholera outbreak in modern history, and a completely destroyed sanitation/agricultural/electrical infrastructure because of a
Saudi bombing campaign using
US weapons and US planes.](
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6V0bNuv1yM)
* America has destabilized every country in the Middle East *except* for the countries that the hijackers came from.
* America has backed Afghan reactionaries in the past as a proxy against the USSR and the PRC. [Most notably, Operation Cyclone was carried out in order to topple the Socialist government in Kabul and bait the USSR into a costly occupation.](
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone)
* [American military officials have admitted in public before that the US presence in Afghanistan was never about fighting terrorists, and was instead about destabilizing China's belt and road initiative, and staying close to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.](
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFIAXqkdWzU&t=9s)
* On top of all this, America has had the nerve to sanction Afghanistan and [hold $7 billion of its foreign currency reserves captive](
https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/NyxVOYE25E.jpg?format=webp).
* And *NOW THIS*, they want to *loot* and *redistribute* that stolen national wealth to the families of victims of 9/11: something the people of Afghanistan had nothing to do with, and yet have paid dearly for with tens of thousands of lives and the future of their entire country.
The only reasonable conclusion: America is a rogue gangster state run by sociopathic reactionaries.
>>139How did they know about the NORAD exercises?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001
>Vigilant Guardian, the semiannual NORAD exercise that had been running in conjunction with Global Guardian for several days and which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. Vigilant Guardian is a Command Post Exercise (CPX), meaning it is conducted in offices and with computers, but without actual planes in the air. The exercise involves all NORAD command levels.[5] Out of a range of scenarios being run on September 11, 2001, one was a "traditional" simulated hijacking.[6] According to General Eberhart, after the first attack, "it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation.[7] Because of an increased number of staff, the exercise would prove to be an enabler of rapid military response for NORAD and its NEADS component, as senior officials who were manning NORAD command centers throughout the U.S. were available to make rapid decisions.[ >>151military drills, known for being rare events
this is only a tiny sampling of the little paranoid, weirdly reactionary nitpicks that the jingoist media apparatus peppered everywhere when diagrams of Osama’s underground batcave or whatever became a little too ridiculous
>>139> reminder that Iraq and Afghanistan were built on unnecessary paranoia around 9/11 in the first placeno they were built on a desire to access lucrative markets for oil in Iraq and minerals and opium in Afghanistan, and improve arms sales to NATO countries who would join a US-led coalition. The United States also froze Afghan assets and stole billions upon pulling out of the country 20 years later, and used them as reparations to 9/11 victims.
>conspiracy theories only reinforce the status quoAnticommunist Karl Popper coined the term "conspiracy theory" to discredit Marxism-Leninism. He asserted Marxism Leninism was a "conspiracy theory" that the bourgeoisie deliberately preserve their class status. There's furthermore a difference between pointing evidence of something fishy and absolutely bonkers right wing shit like David Icke. When Socialists in the 1950s accused the CIA of overthrowing Jacobo Arbenz, they were called "paranoid" and yet when it was proven later by declassified documents, nobody cared anymore. The most substantive warning about 9/11 came from an Afghan member of the anti-Taliban northern alliance in April 2001.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=September_11_intelligence_before_the_attacks&oldid=1066753944#April_2001_Massoud_speechThis warning was ignored
Watch this:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/src/1651209576375-4.mp4 You have the actual leader of Al Qaeda himself, Osama Bin Laden, a Saudi multimillionaire, and member of an aristocratic family closely tied to the Bushes, with a history of being used by the US as a proxy force against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 80s, during Operation Cyclone, which overthrew the government of the Socialist Saur Revolution, and you have Goerge HW Bush MEETING WITH THE CARLYLE GROUP and a MEMBER OF THE BIN LADEN FAMILY on the MORNING OF 9/11. These are all proven facts, not conspiracies. I don't know what the truth is, I just know how much fishy shit is going on.
>>211whoops. i was wrong, karl popper didn't *coin* the term, he just developed its use into an anticommunist meme phrase
>gets pedantically hung up on the etymology of the term conspiracy theory>doesnt acknowledge the video i asked to watch>doesn't acknowledge that the Bin Laden family and the Bushes were close and had business with each other> doesn't acknowledge that Al Qaeda was the direct result of Operation Cyclone to overthrow the Socialist Afghan governmentit's ok, i'm gonna feel real smug when it's all declassified when I'm 85
>>419I remember looking in my burger history book as a kid, and in the back they had a list of countries with a small amount of info on them. They listed what was the number 1 export of each country, and the USA was the only that said "weapons."
I guess now our biggest export is oil since all the oil producing countries keep mysteriously falling down flights of stairs.
>>634Yeh I guess Osama Bin Laden was never at any point funded by the CIA. Had nothing to do with drug running from Afghanistan either.
What a c c c crazy coincidence. I think the White House was telling the truth on this one. I mean, it’s not like they literally planned to do exactly this in cuba before or something and they definitely don’t have a long history of false flag attacks
>>691No you made the unfalsifiable claims.
>>573>Why is it so hard to believe someone hijacked a plane, especially before the post 9/11 impenetrable pilot door? Why is your mind a flashback to the 00s?Prove your scenario first.
>>756The hijakers were inside a plane, the victims were inside the tower.
the mastermind was inside the CIA
>>768>impyling this is the only time based CIA has killed Americans they also poisoned Americans with Zinc Cadmium Iodide, which is pretty based if you ask me.
They also forced American troops to have vaccines which caused them to have debilitating health conditions in the first gulf war. At this point, the CIA is basically anti imperialist.
>>771Nah but really if you look my other posts it shows the main points. Really there is a mountain of evidence, from the pilots being trained in a CIA air school, to the places they lived being rented out by a partner of Rudy Guiliani, whats more new evidence keeps on coming out.
The official narrative, when you really look at it, is just patently ridiculous. In which case, why would they tell such a ridiculous lie, such as finding the hijackers passports in the wreckage, after a fired that raged for weeks, which supposedly were blown from the exploded fuselage of the plane, and managed to make their way from the burning wreckage to the ground, completely undamaged. if the truth was they were attacked by terrorists?
The main point, is that Osama had been a CIA asset for nearly two decades at this point, starting of course with the Soviet Afghan war when he was propped up as part of the Afghan Mujihadeen. He then ran herion through Bosnia (you might in fact think of Al Quaeda as the eastern counter part to the Medillin cartel, which was also a fed op and running during the same time period)
>>796>>793>>784>>787ok listen up morons.
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>>106>binladen family.mp4>carlyle groupthat carlyle group shit is SHADY
youngkin worked at carlyle group since 1995 and became co-CEO in 2018. At the time of 911 Bush Sr was its director, it was heavily invested in war contractors, did business with the bin ladens and in fact was having its investor meeting in DC on the day of the attacks with bin laden family members in attendance. also at least two of its subsidiary companies did insider trading related to the attacks immediately prior to 9/11. One of those companies, Stratesec, was in charge of security at the WTC since the late 90s and its COO, iran-contra guy Barry McDaniel, was also an executive at Carlyle and was influential in stopping the recount in Florida in the 2000 presidential election.
ALSO, funnily enough, beginning in 1996 stratesec worked alongside another company called Ensec (founded by Charles Finkel, an arms dealer to Saudi Arabia) to upgrade security in the 👁️basement👁️ of the WTC. When this deal went through, Ensec brought on as its director none other than Terry McAuliffe, who was Youngkin's opponent in the latest gubernatorial race. In the 00s, between being chair of the DNC and Hillary's presidential run, McAuliffe also worked for Carret Investments having been hired by Alan Quasha who, in the 80s, bailed out Bush Jr.'s oil company, and was also connected to BCCI.
So it was a race between two guys who helped do 9/11 or at the very least were firmly and knowingly embedded in the milieu that did. God bless Princess Blanding for running so that I could vote in the race at all
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