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my dude are you unaware of how many schools teach the bible as history, it's so much worse than that

Textbooks refuse to write much beyond that, since they just recycle the old book with non-substantial rephrasings, a small note about something recent, and updated think-tankisms, then sell it for more.

Open source textbooks could disrupt this perhaps, but I haven't heard much about that, could be I don't know where to look.

I'm not from the USA and our textbooks covered up to the dissolution of the Soviet Union but in practice we only reached the Cuban missile crisis because there was not enough time.

>>526337
>the Cuban missile crisis
burger title. should be called the turkish missile crisis since America putting ICBMs in Turkey, ~1000m from Moscow, is what prompted corn man to put le big bomb in cooba

>>526327
>why is history education in fatland so shit?? In all my 12 years of schooling we never talked about anything from the 80s and 90s. and we barely scraped the 70s.
More modern the history, the more controversial, duh. What are you going to teach kids about Obama and Trump and Biden in a burger school?

How about what would you teach them about Oct 7? It takes time to develop a consensus reality.

All my history classes in school were AP classes, and my textbooks went up to 1999. Not sure if the regular classes were different

>>526327
In the UK, I don't remember our history classes ever covering anything past WW2 lol.

To be fair we did have geography that talked about the modern world a bit more but only the basics.

>>526356
Teach them the objective history and the claims of both Israelis and Palestinians

>>526327
Today i watched the first 10 minutes of some average recommended youtube slop, while invidious buffered the video i actually wanted to see. It was a young woman doing the 'recount wikipedia but quirky' rountine on solar eclipses while petting her cat.

What unnerved me though was one of her sudden tangents. She speculated about the reaction a 'peasant' would have upon seeing a solar eclipse, saying that they would freak out (like in that wkuk sketch), even stressing how 'enlightened' modern people were.

I started to think if it would be possible for an actual peasant from medieval times or antiquity to live totally seperated from the astronomical knowledge every culture since mesopotamia had, even when that knowledge must have informed that cultures customs (like myths about celestial bodies). Then it hit me. The only historical knowledge most burgers posess comes from childhood education and pop culture. Astronomy as a subject is probably situated right where people with passing historical knowledge will know plotting the sky is one of the oldest scientific occupations and the least informed of normalfags will remember Copernicus and/or the hubble telescope and claim another victory for our wholesome westoid scientisterinos over the "dark ages".

>>526360
I meeeeeeeeeean I dunno, eclipses don't happen very often, apparently a total eclipse only happens in the same place every 375 years, so it would hardly be a common occurence.

"In the 12th century the chronicler John of Worcester wrote: 'in 1133 a darkness appeared in the sky throughout England. In some places it was only a little dark but in others candles were needed. … The sun looked like a new moon, though its shape constantly changed. Some said that this was an eclipse of the sun. If so, then the sun was at the Head of the Dragon and the moon at its Tail, or vice versa. … King Henry left England for Normandy, never to return alive.'

The account mixes astronomical knowledge of eclipses with a fateful link to political turmoil, encapsulated by the image of the great celestial dragon, whose head and tail mark the points on the orbits of the sun and moon at which eclipses can occur. In spring the moon's path crosses that of the sun at the 'head of the dragon', whilst the autumnal point is the 'tail'.

The oldest references to the dragon seem to come from Babylonian astronomers. However, there is some confusion as to whether their concept was as scientific as the later one, or whether it referred to a belief that a celestial dragon caused eclipses by swallowing the sun or the moon.

The idea of the celestial dragon as a way of depicting the lunar nodes (the points of intersection of the sun's orbit and the moon's) was taken up by Hindu astrologers and astronomers, who influenced the Arabs. It is referred to by classical astronomers, but seems to have come into medieval Europe via translations of Arabic works on astronomy/astrology.

The significance of eclipses is recorded in the court of Charlemagne, where there was also debate on when they would occur and how accurately they could be predicted. Charlemagne's son, the Emperor Louis, died shortly after witnessing an eclipse, and some writers linked the two together.

In the 9th century the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle records eclipses in a way which links them with Viking invasions.

'879: A band of invaders gathered and established a base at Fulham; and in the same year the sun was eclipsed for one hour of the day.'

In 1140 William of Malmesbury recorded another eclipse. He wrote: 'There was an eclipse throughout England, and the darkness was so great that people at first thought the world was ending. Afterwards they realised it was an eclipse, went out, and could see the stars in the sky. It was thought and said by many, not untruly, that the king would soon lose his power.'

So when you gaze upwards spare a thought for our ancestors…and the dragon that hides behind the clouds."

Name one country with good history education.

>>526345
>current year+9
>buying textbooks
HAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>526327
>In all my 12 years of schooling we never talked about anything from the 80s and 90s. and we barely scraped the 70s
That was the last decade the US gave a shit about public education spending to try to one-up the Soviets in the Space Race. Literally the only reason they invested in education was because they were worried about communist world domination. *Public school boards *haven't gotten funding to pay for new textbooks since

>>526366
Bro you know the government can't just pirate them from libgen right

>>526368
>Bro you know the government can't just pirate them from libgen right

they could if they weren't cucked

>>526362
Very cool! It kind of proves my point though.

Even with eclipses being uncommon and mystified, common knowledge of their basic properties goes back at least as far as the Vedas. Eclipses were religiously significant but so were birds. Even Moe Peasant wouldn't have a mental breakdown after hearing a crow caw at him.

>>526372
Of course educated people did have awareness of eclipses but that doesn't mean the average peasant did. And obviously birds were much more common than eclipses but even they were thought of as bad or good omens sometimes. Maybe 'mental breakdown' is overstating it a bit but 'at first people thought the world was ending' seems like pretty serious panic

>>526376
The druids had pretty good knowledge of astronomy and eclipses but they were a priestly caste and told everybody the world wasnt ending every time since they were involved in trying to run celtic society and werent interested in promoting a millennarian apocalypse prophecy that takes advantage of boomers' decaying minds and bodies to make money for their megachurch private business. Seems like the biggest difference is a difference of priorities between inhuman modern neoliberal societies and somewhat grounded-in-reality ancient societies like the navajo who believed solar eclipses are just a sign that they needed to treat earth with more respect since nothing was guaranteed to stay the same forever

>>526363
south sudan because the material is short enough to memorize, country is only 13 years of history

>>526368
>That was the last decade the US gave a shit about public education spending to try to one-up the Soviets in the Space Race. Literally the only reason they invested in education was because they were worried about communist world domination. *Public school boards *haven't gotten funding to pay for new textbooks since
Are you actually a booger or just giving your retarded opinion? The oldest text books we had were less than a decade old at most.

Funny I was talking about our history education here before and I was posting about how we have like dozens of material about China over the years and some Australian anon was saying they didn't teach jack shit about China in Australian school. Just yesterday I was watching an interview with the Channel 5 guy complaining he had to learn about the dynastic cycle of China 3 times in his schooling.

>11:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEou104m_P0

American curriculum isn't the problem. The problem is the students hands down. But if you're not college bound what the fuck does anything matter besides the GED/diploma? Employers aren't checking your high school transcripts for your fucking grades. You pass or you fail.

>>526384
>Are you actually a booger or just giving your retarded opinion? The oldest text books we had were less than a decade old at most.
Half shitposting half real: some places in the US are genuinely that bad
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/16/reader-center/us-public-schools-conditions.html

>>526384
>That was the last decade the US gave a shit about public education spending to try to one-up the Soviets in the Space Race. Literally the only reason they invested in education was because they were worried about communist world domination. *Public school boards *haven't gotten funding to pay for new textbooks since
This applies broadly to every facet of governance, not just education. Infrastructure, R&D, Health, everything. Not just in the US. It can be seen all over the west.
>Oh Damn, the Soviets aren't actually a threat to us any more. The fools aren't willing to genocide for profit. Let's quit public spending, privatize everything and offshore everything else. History will soon be over, we're gonna win!