No.528404
"Historical progress"
"Eastern imperialism is worse than western imperialism"
No.528408
Taiwan is a small democratic island which is victim to Chinese imperialism.
Ukraine a small country that is victim to Russian imperialism.
Israel is the only secular State in the middle east.
No.528409
>>528403Anarchists and leftcoms generally don't support national liberation at all unless it's explicitly socialist as they see it all as inter- imperialist.
No.528411
>>528408I've also seen Mizrahi Israelis on social media claim Israel is being victimized by "Islamic imperialism" and wants to turn the Jews into dhimmis again.
No.528412
>>528411ten years ago I first heard this line created by certain zionits that Israel is a national liberation struggle of minorities against Arab imperialism.
No.528413
No there isnt, in both cases.
No.528415
>>528403China started becoming a capitalist nation after Deng took charge. Russia is a reactionary nation run by oligarchs. Israel is land back for Jewish people. All of these are valid arguments.
No.528417
>>528403> Russia vs UkraineLiterally the only argument you ever hear from self described "lefties" is that Russian imperialism is somehow favorable to American imperialism. I for one think that a free nation not being conquered and colonized is a good thing.
> Taiwan vs ChinaGay retards fighting. 0 reason to root for either of these. People that want to root for China just want a hero and are sad that there are no more real communist superpowers around.
> Israel vs PalestineIsrael was conceptualized as a colonial state and still exists with the mindset of British colonizers and ironically oppresses its own orthodox Jews. I struggle to imagine any leftoid ever supporting that.
No.528421
>>528408Syria is a secular state,so last one doesn't count
No.528431
>>528403All of these countries are developed so no. If Palestine was feudalist one could make a marxist argument about the progressivity of Israel. Anti-imperialism is leninist revisionism not marxism.
No.528437
>>528417> I for one think that a free nation not being conquered and colonized is a good thing.Good morally or good in terms of being more in line with the liberation of the global proletariat?
>Gay retards fighting. 0 reason to root for either of theseAre you indifferent to the US armament and occupation of Taiwan and the coming war? Are you unaware of how much military forces the US has in Taiwan? Are you indifferent to war?
>People that want to root for China just want a hero and are sad that there are no more real communist superpowers around.Are you aware of the advances China has made internally and abroad in a myriad of domains, from peace building, to infrastructure, to poverty reduction? If so, are you indifferent to them, regardless of whether the entity doing it is socialist or not?
No.528438
>>528403Taiwan / Ukraine: Self-Determination
Israel: No.
But nobody "supports" either. Saying "I support Russia against Ukraine!" on the internet is meaningless. A little posture so you can feel cool and decide who to cheerlead in a war that will continue exactly the same no matter what you do. To suppor something you must actually offer aid to the side you're supporting. America supports Ukraine by giving it money and weapons with which to fight - you do not "support" Russia by cheerleading it in a circlejerk on /leftypol/.org.
No.528439
>>528438>Taiwan / Ukraine: Self-DeterminationTaiwan is occupied by the RoC government-in-exile. Self-Determination would involve kicking
them out too.
No.528444
China is the most successful dictatorship of the proletariat that ever existed.
The biggest ally of China in the region is Russia.
No one supports Israel.
Supporting Taiwan is supporting the puppet regime of burgereich
Supporting Ukraine is supporting the puppet regime of burgereich
Supporting Israel is supporting the puppet regime of burgereich
So no, there is not a single argument to defend those regimes, case finished, bye
No.528447
>>528404WEAK.
>>528408Funny glowbait
>>528406Seriously we're gonna act like NATO "defending LGBTQ rights" is helpful meanwhile our evangelical PACs are free to influence elections in Burundi? That's only the tip of the iceberg. Think about how we apply all of the "aid" we send to developing countries since Truman. The world will never be safe for gay people if it's used as an effective cassus belli. It's just like how the US also wants to be the world's Las Vegas, so it adores corrupt hyperconservatives who will never allow the tape of them and 7 ladyboys to come out under any circumstances. Of course, most of that shit belies the real financial power of the US and how well we have encouraged bribing us for zero gain with the whole "Israel lobby" myth.
I know this is a thread for coming up with facile bait arguments but fuck off seriously I'm so tired of NATO - literal - faggotry, it's fake.
No.528459
>>528408>Taiwan>victim to Chinese imperialismBoy do I wonder about the ethnicity of the inventors of the republic of Taiwan
No.528464
>>528459Anon, you do know that “indigenous” tribes in Taiwan originate from southeast Chinese settlers 6000 years ago….right?
No.528465
America is using these 3 glownations as an axis of evil because they're too pussy to fight. They can only occupy, fail at counterinsurgency, then run away
No.528467
>>528421syria is under undemocratic control of the assad family, israel is the only independent democracy in the region!
No.528468
>>528465Taiwan is real China, anon.
No.528469
This thread glows so hard i am suffering radiation enough to turn into a goon fallout style
No.528471
>>528408>jewish ethnostate>open discrimination against muslims, christians and atheists<secularnice meme
No.528472
Support the proletariat, not bourgeois governments.
No.528473
>>528472That is why support China, russia and palestine. Duh
No.528474
can i reiterate that none of you support anything
No.528475
Russia is literally invading Ukraine……..China wants to do the same to Taiwan, who aren’t exactly KMT sympathizers…..Palestinians are not native to their region. Why are you people retarded?
No.528477
>>528476Russia quite literally launched a military invasion of Donbas, which is internationally recognized as Ukrainian land, so yes.
No.528478
>>528403>TaiwanI don't think so. Although certainly there is a Marxist argument against China invading Taiwan, which is quite persuasive, and China agrees, hence why they have not invaded Taiwan.
>UkraineDefinitely. It's in the interest of Marxists to support the international norm that countries are not allowed to invade other countries. You can justify material support for Ukraine through the claim that it deters future invasions, and invasions are typically imperialist and reactionary. The counterpoint is that it's totally possible for the international community to uphold a double standard with regards to military aggression, allowing countries like the USA and Saudi Arabia to get away with it, but not countries like Russia or Iran. But there nevertheless exists a coherent argument for supporting Ukraine from a Marxist point of view, even if you don't agree with that argument.
>IsraelNo
No.528480
>>528477>internationally recognizedthis is not a liberal board, sorry
take your bitch ass back to reddit
No.528481
>>528476>>528480Are you… denying the existence of the Russian invasion of Ukraine itself? What are you saying here?
No.528482
I hate the Imperialist regime in China, but Taiwan is comparable to Hitler surviving on Gotland, genociding the local population and then getting propped up by America to be an aircraft carrier.
No.528483
>>528473Supporting non-western capitalists and terrorists epic style xd
No.528484
>>528481>are you…. denying le official narrative? ARE YOU REALLY DOING THAT????yes cracker, i'm doing it
ukraine invaded the people's republics
No.528485
>>528469420chan was mostly populated by Canadians
No.528486
>>528482>I hate the Imperialist regime in ChinaAnd they called me a liberal…
No.528487
>>528486Liberalism is supporting China.
No.528488
>>528482>the Imperialist regime in ChinaChina has not attacked another country in fifty years.
>Taiwan is comparable to Hitler surviving on GotlandChiang Kai-Shek has been dead for fifty years, and the current president of Taiwan is a moderate from a social liberal party.
>genociding the local populationThe oppression of the Taiwanese Indigenous population began long before the Kuomintang took over the island, and within the last forty years, much like in other colonial countries which are no democracies, the indigenous people have been undergoing a slow cultural revival, similar to the one in New Zealand. The white terror was certainly responsible for a brutal continuation of the oppression of indigenous Taiwanese culture, but the white terror ended more than thirty years ago.
>getting propped up by America to be an aircraft carrierYeah that's fair.
Your view of Southeast Asian politics seems about sixty years out of date. The PRC and ROC are both developed peaceful countries with a large middle class and service economies these days. The days of China and Taiwan being run by brutal dictatorships committing atrocities are a long ways past us. The 90's happened.
No.528494
>>528487>Liberalism is supporting China.Everyone who disagrees with me is a liberal, and liberals are fascist, therefore everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist.
No.528495
>>528488Another day, another socdem banger win
No.528496
>>528488Please read 'Imperialism, the highest stage of Capitalism' by Lenin, Imperialism isn't invading another country with your army. Not that you will understand because socdem is the ultimate form of Imperialism :D
>>528494Literally! I'm glad you understand.
No.528503
>>528496Actually during one of my politics classes during A level I did call everyone fascists. Like I called Libertarianism a type of fascism and then the teacher started asking me who I fought were fascist and kept saying a new ideology and I would say yes. Neoliberals? Fascist. Neoconservatives? Fascist. One Nation Tories? Fascist. Classical Liberals? Fascist. Modern Liberals? Fascist. Blairites? Fascist. Social Democrats? Moderate Fascists. Green Party? Fascist. Anarchists? Depends what type. I ended by also calling Trotskyites fascist. Unfortunately I didn't critisize Kruschevites.
No.528511
>>528408he said "marxist argument" not "liberal argument "
No.528518
>>528403There ain't even a Marxist argument for supporting Russia, China and Palestine in the first place
No.528525
>>528520t. Campist neo-kautskyst
No.528532
NGL it’s crazy to me that the supposed ‘Marxists’ on this board support Russia, Palestine and China considering two of these three are regressive, reactionary and capitalistic whereas the other is an Islamist hotbed. Taiwan has had a lot of its own issues but has been rapidly progressing into a liberal democracy, and from there we can see communism sprout its flowers. Ukraine has the agricultural capability of being USSR 2.0 under proper leadership and there are plenty of socialist comrades there who envision this. Israel can’t be defended though unless you just want to go for Jewish ethnonationalism at all costs, but Palestine is not an ally of any serious Marxist.
No.528535
>>528525Bait
>>528526Bait
is joever.
Leftypol is 100% multipolarista. /Prc/, palestine and /Ukr/ are the most posted threads by far. The official politics of leftypol is full support for BRICS. Get dunked on by facts, logic and the news. China will Win, i will learn chineses
, and will train the sword, whioe you guys have nothing but nothinburguers and nothing ever happens. There isnt greater honor but to serve the communist party of China and Xi Jimping thought. Poem to xi jimping, not made by me:
"Ten thousand miles away your soul has flown; the rivers, mountains and land yearn for your return. The people mourn the loss of a caring official, tears flooding under the empress trees you planted. Having dedicated your life to the desert, to the betterment of people’s lives, your legacy lives on no matter how many years come and go."
"The moon shining bright as always, I think of you and your life’s work. You toiled long and hard, claiming no credit. Serving and benefiting the people: such was your ambition and is also mine. Many a trickle will add a touch of green to the desert and create a wellspring of hope."
How can i speak mandarim, what should i study to work for china, where should i go to live in there? How do i join the anarchosyndicalist party in china?
No.528546
>>528535>[Inane Dengoid babble]Did NOT fucking read
No.528547
>>528532>Taiwan has had a lot of its own issues but has been rapidly progressing into a liberal democracythat is one of the issues
kill yourself liberal
No.528548
i hate this thread. i hate every variation of this thread. i hate every op of threads like this
No.528553
Supporting Palestine serves ZERO interest and benefits no one.(bait)
No.528560
>>528553Take meds touch grass.
My dud that is a yimes i downvote no likes
Report you to mods.
Now knel to your gods
No.528561
>>528553Self-contradictory claim. I have to assume it's bait.
No.528567
>>528553It serves to benefit Islamic extremists and Jew haters.
No.528588
>>528409>Anarchists and leftcoms generally don't support national liberation at all unless it's explicitly socialist as they see it all as inter- imperialist.Correction:
based anarchists and leftcoms. Whom you need to search for first. You know how many American and European anarchists support Ukraine nowadays. But maybe the situation is better in Greece or third-world countries, I dunno.
No.528644
>>528417the only correct take most of these conflicts are just conflicts between imperialist powers. The only one you should support is palestine.
No.528658
>>528579He's right though.
No.528664
>>528403With Ukraine specifically,
>>528409.
Russia isn't a socialism and being buds with China doesn't automatically make it a socialism. Remember, the Soviet Union teamed up with the US during WW2, and look how that turned out.
No.528689
>>528525Kautsky thought that superimperialism was peaceful cooperation between the imperialist powers that divide the world. The NATO war on Russia and occupation of Ukraine is primarily an inter-imperialist war between the US vs Germany over the division of energy trade. This shows yet again how obviously wrong Kautsky was and proves Lenin correct which is why the communist position is supporting the anti-colonial struggle of Russian and Ukrainian self-determination against the Imperialist US and Germany.
No.528750
Forget China, Palestine and Russia. How the hell can anyone defend Iran when their own citizens dislike Palestinians and chant shit like this?
https://x.com/niohberg/status/1785343165962051735?s=46 No.528753
>>528664the defeat of nazi germany?
No.528754
>>528510I dont think this proves what you think this proves anon
No.528759
>>528758well its seems to me the video shows that a lot these Ukrainian 'Nazis' are completely uneducated on what Nazism is.
No.528765
>>528750How the fuck can anyone defend this????
No.528766
This thread glows, all of you should die
No.528767
China and Russia are irredeemable reactionary oligarchies. Palestinian struggle is Islamist rapist. I can’t believe anyone defend.
No.528768
China and Russia are irredeemable reactionary oligarchies. Palestinian struggle is Islamist rapist. I can’t believe anyone defend.
No.528769
China and Russia are irredeemable reactionary oligarchies. Palestinian struggle is Islamist rapist. I can’t believe anyone defend.
No.528804
>>528792>>528793>guys look at these nazis! Even though they themselves are ignorant of what nazism is.Cope
No.528805
>>528792This post is related on so many levels first off your talking about these Slavic nazis like nazi germany is still a thing, by calling them usefull idiots. Usefull idiots to who may I ask?
No.528807
>>528403There's no single
marxist argument for supporting a bourgeois country over another, period.
>>528404>historical progressThe whole world is capitalist already, so no.
>imperialismA stage of capitalism, not a government program, so no.
No.528867
>>528804It's not a cope to point out that reactionaries are ignorant and their ideology is internally inconsistent and syncretic, considering that is the rule rather than the exception.
>>528805>your talking about these Slavic nazis like nazi germany is still a thing, by calling them usefull idiots. Usefull idiots to who may I ask?To the people funding them. The USA, the CIA, the NED. Their allies in the EU and NATO. The imperial core liberals who can't do this kind of dirty work directly so they covertly fund reactionary neo-nazis who worship holocaust collaborators like Stepan Bandera, Yaroslav Stetsko, etc.
No.528871
>>528807>imperialism>A stage of capitalism, not a government program, so no.it is to our eternal chagrin that lenin used a term that already had its own separate definition in the context of classical history to describe an advanced stage of capitalism, rather than coming up with a neologism, because it results in a lot of (perhaps deliberate) confusion when it comes to educating people
No.528872
>>528759>taking what nazis say at face valuelmao that faggot knew exactly what 1488 meant
No.529435
"They are accelerating the inherent contradictions of capital that will bring about the socialist revolution"
Accelerationism gang 🥶
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