ITT: we give each other tips and trick on how to cope with in a world that's fundamentally hostile to us.
>>616044 (me)
also, capoeira could be S++ but only if you're literally a demigod at it, which is
almost impossible to achieve anyways so it is B tier.
>>615994What is it about autists that prompts them to turn their mental retardation into their whole identity? You don't see this with any other mental disorder or illness, not even ADHD, despite non-professionals commonly mistaking the two and there being a lot more people with ADHD than autists.
>>616066It's a lot like "male loneliness" in that those men genuinely are unlikable freaks who are rightfully shunned for being such.
>>616007Is Jadey Anh supportive of my autism?
Will she listen to me talk about WWE for hours?
>>616128 >What is it about autists that prompts them to turn their mental retardation into their whole identity?Because autistic people have never lacked social skills in the first place, and the fact that people think so is the problem.
More recent evidence shows that, even when not accounting for double empathy or psychogenesis, autistic people do not lack empathy (cognative or affective) by a significant amount, but by only about 0.5 standard deviations, far from enough to explain unemployment and social isolation.
Testing the Empathizing-Systemizing theory of sex differences and the Extreme Male Brain theory of autism in half a million people
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328891377_Testing_the_Empathizing-Systemizing_theory_of_sex_differences_and_the_Extreme_Male_Brain_theory_of_autism_in_half_a_million_people (Greenberg 2018)
Unemployment for autistic people is at least about 40%, but the statistocs go up up to 80%
https://content.iospress.com/articles/work/wor2492https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/disability/articles/outcomesfordisabledpeopleintheuk/2020#:~:text=mitigate%20this%20impact.-,figure%202%3A%20disabled%20people%20with%20autism%20were%20among%20those%20disabled%20people%20with%20the%20lowest%20employment%20rate,-Employment%20rates%20ofGiven the autistic individual has a job, 9.20/hour is the average, three times less than the general population
https://nlts2.sri.com/reports/2011_09_02/nlts2_report_2011_09_02_ch3.pdfhttps://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/wagesBasically, the label of "autistic person" or "person with autism" has little meaning and it would otherwise be idpol with no material basis, if it weren't for the fact that society (especially in the 1960s) decided to treat autists differently from neurotypicals; the whole "don't let autism define you" thing is projection, given that you genuinely believe that autistic people have worse social cognition, without emperical evidence to back up the accusation, as opposed to denoting very specific disabilities in an individual or identifying their actual socioeconmic status and upbringing as fellow proletarians.
In fact, the early autism awareness movement was full of behaviorists and antivaxxers who literally thought that autistic people were subhuman
Infantile autism: The invisable wall" by Rimland 1964 (edited by Steven M Edelson) pg 108-109
"After you've hit a child, you can't just get up and leave him; you are hooked to him" by Paul Chance, 1974, Psychology magazine
>"B- But MUH NONVERBALS"To make it quick, being mute only means that you can't orally communicate and does not mean that one is incapable of language or intelligence; The emperical evidence is rather contradictory to the label of "mentally retarded".
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4359559/>>616066>"YU VILL HAVE NO AUTISMA SEX UND BE HAPPY" >>616312>>616305>"are made by people who don‘t understand autism at all and say problematic and disparaging things about it" Like what?
I ask because because a lot of legitimately good theories are silenced and disregard as "psuedoscience" despite having relatively consistent evidence for them.
Refridgerator Mother Theory is a good example, as it is likely true to the extent that there is a psychogenic aspect in ASD, if not some cases were it's entirely due to child abuse, especially in more extreme cases where the child shows violence towards themselves and their family.
Quasi-autistic Patterns Following Severe Early Global Privation (Micheal Rutter 2003)
https://acamh.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1469-7610.00472 Smith LE, Greenberg JS, Seltzer MM, Hong J (2008). "Symptoms and behavior problems of adolescents and adults with autism: effects of mother-child relationship quality, warmth, and praise". Am J Ment Retard. 113 (5): 387–402. doi:10.1352/2008.113:387-402. Greenberg JS, Seltzer MM, Hong J, Orsmond GI. Bidirectional effects of expressed emotion and behavior problems and symptoms in adolescents and adults with autism. Am J Ment Retard. 2006 Jul;111(4):229-49. doi: 10.1352/0895-8017(2006)111[229:BEOEEA]2.0.CO;2. PMID: 16792426.
>>616915not really, totally depends on the skill of the boxer, a good boxer will be able to defend himself against a mediocre kicker or grappler just with his movement and punches
also if you are trying to do something like judo without basic boxing knowledge you are just gonna get knocked out
>>616961>also if you are trying to do something like judo without basic boxing knowledge you are just gonna get knocked outtrue, mixing judo and defensive boxing is imo the best combination for self defense.
>not really, totally depends on the skill of the boxer, a good boxer will be able to defend himself against a mediocre kicker or grappler just with his movement and punches I'm talking about black belts, not intermediate nor below intermediate.
>>617651I did some of those autism tests that you find online and get a score out of 30 or whatever.
they said if you get above a certain score then there is a probability you may have autism and to speak to a health professional. so I did that, and they referred me to a local charity where I did a two hour long test over the phone. they confirmed it and said there was a 90% chance, but if I wanted an official diagnosis then I would have to go to a doctor, and have it referred to a specialist. that was like 4 years ago.
>>617662My brother has a diagnosis and it took years and years to get it.
The worst part wasn't the diagnosis though, it was applying for disability.
And the constant check-ins to prove he still has autism and wasn't faking it.
>>617656i attracted autistic kids like a magnet back in school. its weird because there were so many weird kids with autism back then but you see almost no adults like that in the real world, have you ever seen an autist in your workplace?
anyways, i remember pranking this one kid telling him the chips he was eating was weed-flavored and he believed me and went around telling people and got in trouble for it
I'm a 24 yo guy and the world feels so hostile to me I want to cry. I was diagnosed when I was 8 years old and I've always felt insecure about it because I can't do anything right, I feel like a total burden for my family. Every time someone asks me to do something I have to be given clear instructions or else I fuck up everything.
I have a cold relationship with my mom because she's always said I'm useless, weird and clumsy and worst of all is seeing how much better they treat my older NT brother, it honestly makes me feel like shit. I doubt those parents who say they "love" their autistic children, because the truth is that no one wants a disabled kid. Everyone wants their son or daughter to be sucessful, have a career, a partner, etc. Imagine being proud that your son is an ankward loser, who still can't find a job.
If only I could at least be interested in useful stuff like STEM and be a good programmer like many other autists, but I'm only interested in random useless shit like humanities, religions, and politics. I do love languages too and I'm pretty good at them, I'm learning Chinese at the moment and my teacher said I sound like a native sometimes, but I can't make much use of it anyways.
I also got a gf 2 years ago but she left me recently, at least I know I'm not an incel tho, so that's something.
I know I'm talking a lot about me, but wanted to know if others can relate
>>616244This, autistic children are just as social as NT children, it's just that get bullied or at least laughed at because the way they talk, how they don't understand social cues, which makes them feel alienated and start self-isolating.
It's the same way with my parents, I was very affectionate to them, then they started criticizing me, calling me weird and insulting me, and over time I got distant. They however blame the disorder and don't understand is a natural response that could happen to any person
>>617802 >>617803it's called subhumans, not an insult, it's descriptive.
btw, in vidrel black guy said "bolsonaro ain't gonna win" and got hunted by the "allists"(aka subhuman)
>>617684In the conversation, sorry.
>>617660I think that I did the same test and got a 22/30. I will probably look up to see what my uni offers and what clinics are in the area.
>>617755There's this guy at work who got into an argument with the manager, he was yelling that he was stressing him out because he's autistic.
Once he gave me a Donkey Kong coin. Said it was a duplicate.
>>618762uygha don't precisely describe extreme stimming. If enough normalfags realise how it looks like, they're gonna discriminate against us even more.
I once did exactly what you said while a stranger was nearby when I was a 14 year old idiot who didn't mask, and he gave me that perplexed look you'd do when you see a retard. That event is burned in my memory.
>>619183Wanna know how autists remain low-judgemental?
We reside in our headspace too much.
We emotionally detach ourselves from the flurry of socio physical traffic.
We know deep down we could never belong so why waste time with emotional investment?
>>615994 >we give each other tips and trick on how to cope with in a world that's fundamentally hostile to us.
my tip is that uuuuuuuh
>>617662 i do. I became
autism certified last year
>>617810 wtf, finish learning Chinese and become an english teacher in China, escaping your abusive family. You must be much smarter than you think you are, because learning Chinese sounds extremely hard
>I've always felt insecure about it because I can't do anything right, I feel like a total burden for my family. Every time someone asks me to do something I have to be given clear instructions or else I fuck up everything.literally me in this respect. But I got very lucky when it comes to my parents, they're very nice
>>618762 i like right clicking my mouse really fast until the context menu that shows up (the little menu that shows up when you right click stuff) perfectly aligns with the edges of texts or interface elements
>>617651Honestly, a psychologist can diagnose you. I don't get this claim on how expensive it is to get an official diagnosis. It's an excuse for the normies who claim they have autism to accept their self-diagnosis.
I got mine by a school psychologist when I was 7. It was free despite being in Burgerstan.
>>620008It will require vocational institutions.
The problem is that our schooling is mainly academic.
Autists are more hands-on and like to analyze things
People say artists cannot do abstractions.
They're wrong. Autists are the biggest abstractionalists. But we like to make them technical.
>>620008Let's ignore all the petit-bourgeois autistic professionals working even for the military because, uh, morals.
>>620005The retarded term for non-retards.
>>620090If that's a tantrum then this whole thread is a full-on meltdown over the most basic shit lmao.
>cisCisgender is a specific thing though. It's more like the usage of non-white.
>>620136>over the most basic shitSuch as?
>Cisgender is a specific thing though. It's more like the usage of non-white.There is no problem with any of those labels.
Allistics who come to this thread and don‘t contribute anything productive should kill themselves. You either have morons like this bitch
>>620213 doubting the existence of a developmental disorder that is well recorded on a neurological basis or this faggot
>>620054 who is probably the same incel in the sex and relationships thread spamming how much he hates women for being sexless. Get the fuck out of our thread, vermin.
>>620100>It reminds me of this study where men who did worse in video games had a hostile response towards female players meanwhile this behavior was less common in men playing well. This sounds more like urban myth than anything.
I suck at video games and I never have any misogynist bone in my body.
But yea the concept is not really wrong.
>>621096>Does it make it better?In the sense that my family doesn't automatically assume my executive dysfunction is just laziness and is being accepting and accommodating when I have trouble getting shit done, yes. I also have access to all sorts of support and leeway in official business and school as long as I explain how my condition affects my ability to work. However, when I mention my condition openly, I do feel that there's plenty of ignorant people who tend to still immediately pathologize the condition and infantilize me because they think it straight up makes me disabled to the point I can't get basic tasks done on my own. I mean, I take more time to take out the trash, for example, or do the dishes, but that's more because I'm too focused on stuff I do on my PC to do basic things like eating or taking care of personal hygiene, all the while also going through regular periods of depression. Also because I have a higher tolerance for unclean environments, the bar for when a room is considered to be intolerably unclean is higher than for other people in my family.
Overall, looking at it now years later, I don't feel like a diagnosis is a fix-it-all solution to anything, but it does help bring about a sense of understanding for why I do the things I do to myself and those around me, and that helps when trying to figure out how to solve certain life issues and what sort of accommodations to ask for when those are available.
>>626693All fun and games until they start shooting you in a collapsed society THOUGH
Autists make incredible soldiers or warlords
>>640374i cant even watch movies or read because of my low attention span
even talking to people is boring
>>626962No they're discrimination against everyone.
reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/1ap1345/i_applied_for_a_software_role_at_fedex_and_was/
>>641483tiktok self diagnosed autism
this shit cringe as hell bro
>>642440>I drink like a 2 liter of Dr a day…And I thought I was the one with the problem.
>>642569>have you had autism burnout ?Honestly, everyday.
>>643566There's already a recent thread on that, can't you look?
>>643526My take doe: self-diagnosing has always been a problem, even before shit like TikTok et al. For example, most people here know I'm not lying when I say that autism was (and still is) a meme among terminally-online weirdo nerd communities, where everyone self-diagnoses themselves with it. That was an early form of it that has existed since at least the 2000s, so it's not a new thing.
And by the way, autism isn't the most self-diagnosed shit. ADHD is far more common and OCD is also a meme.
>I think it's a useless term that diminishes what actual autistd have to endure.The term isn't completely limited to autists, though?
>>643566It stems from the popular thought that psychiatrists hold the key to "treating" autistic individuals when they're just cops at best who can assign you a title that will cause people in society to actively discriminate against you once mentioned.
Self-diagnosing is just a sort of "liberation" from that diagnosis pipeline where your life will get fucked coming from different lens of positionalities such as not being able to afford an actual shrink, being treated like an abomination due to past experiences with the medical field(i.e institutionalizing from admitting that you're neurotypical), and fostering self-community independent of the largely and ironically eugenicist medical community. Although this in itself has spawned interesting "strains" of thought such as autistic supremacists, overlaps with the crunchy crowd, and of course, the aforementioned "real autists" who seem resentful at people who seem to be able to "diagnose", aka integrate into a community that supposedly puts autistic self care at the forefront without having to go through a shrink that would "normally" provide that "treatment"
>>643740institutionalizing from admitting you're not neurotypical and/or mentally ill.
Basically a movement that seeks to be free from the dehumanizing rhetoric that comes with being treated by the medical community but is also a breeding ground for misinformation and misconceptions. im neutral towards it. it depends on what self-diagnoser you meat and their ideology and critiques. Of course my critique is that even with the spectrum of autistic traits, it still originates from a methodology that largely dehumanizes and others said traits existing in the spectrum. This is where the "that's a regular human trait" critique comes from, which unfortunately does come with baggage, with some I have witnessed still using the dehumanizing tactics even upon recognition of said "human trait", meaning the ableism attached to the trait by medical community still continues, which is what the "self-diagnosis" community is trying to overcome, the stigma and treatment with said traits.
Ironically the " real autists" mentioned in the thread echo that dehumanization and familiar rhetoric by arbitrarily restricting the spectrum to a checklist to be fulfilled in its entirety, a tactic used by certain strains of thought within the medical field.
>>617905The problem with allist socializing is that they want you to get excited about any mundane "achievement" they committed.
They don't allow people to just be left alone in their thoughts. You have to engage with them even though they have nothing substantial to say nor do
>>646333I know a few trans autists that have binge watched the Chris-chan documentaries for some reason. Probably low self-esteem.
I think it's more like, autistic people don't have the Archie Bunker reflex allistics seem to have where get irrationally angry over unfamiliar stimulus, so they'll hear eachother out rather than scoffing at eachother.
>>646336Wrong. Autists do get annoyed with each other.
But they don't discriminate against fellow autists based on their condition but rather their opinionated differences.
Autists will mainly discriminate based on intellectual difference rather than looks or status.
>>646338When I said "intellectual differences" I don't mean Eye Cue level. I mean as in difference of opinion whether in politics or science or religion.
Autistic folk would rage against high eye cue people for disagreeing with them.
Hi comrades.
This is a bit of a vent post. I made a post a few weeks back wishing death on the people who hurt my fiancé, I am further reinforcing that.
I'm not ASD, I'm just neurotypical. I cannot stand what they've done to him over his life, he's been attacked and had people leave him due to his condition, people find his love of languages annoying, his love of DnD and Wresting is weird. I fucking hate these people for ever hurting him. He's a wonderful, brilliant fucking man, kind as can be, firm of soul, brilliant and amazing and yet people abused him for fucking NOTHING. For something he coudln't fucking control…
I've been in discord calls with him, and I've become somewhat hypertuned. I have shouted at his friends for being cunts to him, and he's had to pull me aside and say they're just being normal and he's fine. I hate everyone who has ever harmed him, I hate everyone who has ever made his day bad and I know he worries about me protecting him (weird since I am a zoomie and hes a 35 yo milennial) but I want to make the people who harmed him bleed for what they've done. Fuck
>>646372>Autism is closer to schizophreniaHow? Schizophrenia is characterized by not having cohesive thoughts while autists tend to overanalyze and overinvest in stuff.
>>646380>Noooo u can't use African-American slang if you're white!!White people have been doing that ever since hip-hop went mainstream.
>>646406Autism tends to have non cohesive thought ls as well.
Schizos also overanalyze and over invest in things as well.
Difference is, schizos have to deal with literal hallucinations while autists suffer from immunological and muscular disorder
Under socialism we'll have a Jedi Temple style program where we find the spergies and high function autists, and groom them into a special interest to advance arts, science, sports, everything really.
Human progress makes large strides when those types are given the tools to pursuit their interest. Just look at history's greatest minds, and the revolution they brought to their field: Cicero, Pliny, St Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Michaelangelo, Newton, Mozart and Bach, Michael Jackson, Lionel Messi, and of course, the greatest turbo autist of them all that changed human knowledge forever, Karl Marx.
>>652503Have you seen his letters to Engels asking money after his wife died? And talking about the disgusting infections he got?
Zero sense of proper social behaviour, the times in public that he was successful he was probably drunk as a skunk
>>653277Don't worry, this registry only exists so they can shop around the data to scientists until they find one willing to do do some fraudulent statistics on it to justify banning vaccines and/or fluoride.
Hopefully they'll be unretarded enough to anonymize it first. Not expecting much though.
>>653316Nah, this is the first step to some
misguided eugenicist program. Doesn‘t help that most people don‘t understand autism anyways.
>>653320How long do yall think it will be until the government starts throwing us into camps?
If not a camp, then probably illegalizing us reproducing. I think both outcomes are an eventuality at this point.
>>616066THeir issue is not, "chasing tail" their issue is in thinking somehow just fucking someone is going to magically make life better and mystically fix all life's problems, it don't. Not only that, but trust me if women find you good looking enough, or begin to just sexualize you, as a quiet introvert you'd just get so eventually put off by them and by this treatment you'd simply retreat into your NEET dome anyhow, actually probably with far more aplomb and begin hitting the bottle with even more violent force than ever before as the psychological and emotional damage from feeling sexually used and discarded begins to sink in. So let me tell you one other thing, you all seem to think this would fix your problems like you're going to feel as a different person tomorrow, but it don't, you will feel like exactly the same person only being tremendously disappointed in yourself and your life depending on how it happened and with whom. Now you'll also get the joy of worrying about raising a kid with a woman that fundamentally doesn't love you and is a complete bitch, and possibly not even good looking but rather impossibly fat and bitchy at the same time, who'll openly disrespect you. No, it's the first time you find out you can kill a man that'll make you look at yourself differently, not fucking. Although in fairness, the first time you are about to kill someone is probably going to be because of a woman anyone so there is that.
>>616128With some it is just their personal rigidity and self absorption and not wishing to play well with others hence returning to the internet or some kind of asocial activities where they and their horse shittery is never openly challenged. Pretty funny now that I think about it considering how many times this type of male goes online which is the most caustic argumentative place ever and it WILL turn you into an unlikeable asshole if you wasn't one before. Like the kind of guy calling himself an autist, what he means is he is lacking in social skills and introverted and he does not like self challenge or going out of his comfort zone, those men HAVE TO force themselves outside their comfort zone and stop being so personally rigid.
Case in point
https://acidcow.com/pics/6190-worst-possible-date-ever-10-pics.html fuck sake, I know this is like, over a decade and a half old but still it just doesn't hit the same without Malodrax adding the mspaint comics nvm found it. Someone should download that before it's lost to the tubes forever. Point being, now what exactly kind of man can POSSIBLY have done a thing THAT freaking stupid. That such person. A man like malodrax. The kind of guy who'd go around filming himself making girls feel awkward. Type of man to carry a pee bottle in his backpack, simply of his own obstinacy, to, from such a traumatizing horrific experience the likes of which I'd NEVER live down in my own head. The likes of which who would, having just shat in a girl's bathtub and pissed all over the place with a pee boner, to think it a good idea to try calling a girl like that back (after she's waving a knife at him and crying no less), after all this is said and done what has he learned from this exactly? That he should have changed? Fuck no, his rigid personality demanded that his own learnt life experience from all this is not, "gee I really should have just taken a piss in the damn public washroom and gotten over myself" NOPE his conclusion is of course "I am always right and the way I do things need not ever change, the whole world needs to go around me." THAT is what these dudes meant by "autistic" and that is exactly why they can't, won't, don't get a girlfriend, because simply asking a woman out at all requires leaving your comfort zone, moreover having anything resembling a functional relationship necessitates give and take. These guys are takers. 9 times out of 10, when they say how they want their waifu what he actually means is, self indulgently pouring his affections on a woman while refusing to anticipate or understand what that woman wants from him, it makes them into emotional sponges which clearly he can't see that about himself.
Moreover and lastly
>>616001What these guys really want and need is to be understood, their problem in that is not having understood others or realizing you need to bend aspects of who you are what you are doing and how you go about things, life is about compromising and mutual self sacrifice and like I said, they are rigid, takers, lazy, and dislike leaving a comfort bubble. They don't seem to realize these things are rightfully seen by women as repellent. Responsible, likeable, self-giving but having boundaries, dignity, integrity, the occasional "practical morality" to bend or break the rules for survival of you and yours, daring, reckless and bold, charismatic, funny, charming, not easily butthurt. Like, they see and understand what they want but do not know how to get there, that problem being these guys also are lazy so when they DO get swole and successful they don't comprehend their personality flaws and character defects leads to them being cheated on regardless. Or rather, when they try acting on some of the advice of others and entering the world of, how to say, overly expressive, extroverted and emotional bydlo, they fail spectacularly.
Men like these just need to be understood and to find the right woman. My advice for a lot of these men is religion. Dead ass. The kinds of women you want are usually drawn to religion anyway, and it and its rigid set of rules and principles typically appeals to these types of man.
>>653399My fucking Christ, this is like watching the rightard incel banging on about how "dah juice is making our white wimmins fuck black guys! They're eracing muh white rice!" like my guy, these women aren't going to fuck you anyway. You can always of course go for big ol Samantha over here, but when you also feel "owed" or entitled to a certain type of woman, welp. That's actual narcissistic tendencies. Same thing for the fat activists, either deal with the fact the calibre of men you want won't commit to you right now, lose some weight and work on your character and personal flaws and bad behaviours, or settle for less than what you wanted or expected.
Oh noes, dah gubmint gonna sterilize me my man if you're not fucking why would they bother, that's a waste of money and resources. Hell, eugenics is easier to just con people into either castrating themselves, or to avoiding reproducing. Hence a lot of liberal progressivism is about self deletion from the gene pool anyway at this point. Rather than fight a costly war now better to make sure the red army doesn't exist in 20 years so you can just roll over them later. Autists who spend half their day complaining about that feel when no gf worrying about being sterilized is like some attention whore who vlogs her or his private life every day being concerned about the CIA spying on them, my dude, you have facebook on your pocket snitch aka touch phone. Why the hell would they bother, you already gave that to them. It's more like a weird form of personal projection.
I will say this though, regardless how asspained the idpol bougie liberal progressive middleclass white Democrat types get by it, but when I look at Gen Z I see an awful lot of males and females that have autism and not a whole lot of social awareness getting snookered into thinking they are nonbinary or trans, and somehow those internet communities giving them this fake hope of making new friends based around ultimately changing who they are to gain social approval. Like, it is to the point I am starting to think actual trans people are a minority in their own communities at this point, the rest being a bunch of NPD having autogynos, or just random abusive Narcissists trying to use it as cover for some reason, or guys with HPD like Dylan Mulvaney who've basically somehow trolled the Democrats into letting rich entitled white men wear womanface and be as blatantly sexist and offensive as possible while having the world bend over to please them, mixed with a shit ton of actual autistic kids who are actually on the spectrum, with varying levels of bisexuals and tomboyish girls, butch lesbians, and basically people who are by no means anything other than cis but owing to their middleclass white liberal feminist upbringing have no earthly clue what a man or woman even is or is supposed to be anyway so they're totally clueless they're just gay men and lesbians and bi people getting sterilized. Which, I am sure, has massively pissed off and horrified large segments of the oldschool queer community.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>652507I generally disagree with the notion alcoholism gives one social graces, rather it's much like the social version of weed. You know how when you get high, you think you are some genius having epic thoughts, when really you're too stoned and retarded to understand you're just being stoned and retarded? It's like this with drinking. Ok sure, possibly on your second shot you're jovial and likeable for all of 15 minutes, however, you're not actually a social butterfly, you drank yourself so retarded you're simply clueless how socially retarded you are so you no longer care. And because you clearly are drunk, people give you more leeway in the gross, crude, weird, aggressive, dumbass shit you say and do which they'd not have done had you been sober.
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