How can I actually agitate for the decriminalization of lolicon where I live? Like what practical ways are there to even get involved in activism for it?
It's so stupid because I can literally buy a copy of Nabokov's Lolita, or a print of a Balthus painting (I guess because they're considered "classics" and more respected or something,) but if I'd imported Lyrical Nanoha doujins from Japan, I could get several years in prison for the crime of… What??? Buying foreign porn comics???? So far I've been just betting that the law has more important things to do than running around trying to put weebs in jail, but bourgeois policy being what it is, I'd rather oppose the laws altogether.
>>713692Die canadian treatlerite. Based canadian government repressing canadian treatlerites
>>713692>How can I actually agitate for the decriminalization of lolicon where I live?Can't you just use a vpn or something and get your stuff done?
>>713692So called communists are opposed to the debourgeoificiation of pedophilia !
I will never understand loli fans.
Move to Ethiopia or Kenya.
It seems the worldwide blackest reaction that's underway have both the Right and Left scapegoating innocent pedobros just for fapping to manga and games.
>>713697I mean, I don't even really need a VPN, because I'm pretty sure ssl gives enough plausible deniability. I mentioned importation because I know that people have got in trouble for it before. I just feel like I could do more to oppose the laws, I don't want to end up like the UK.
>>713708Honestly considering mewing to Brazil
Just be generally anti-censorship and pro-art archival.
>>713716Wtf is this real?
>>713721But where do I start? Donating to the internet archive?
>>713716Would be based, its unfortunate its just a gaffe.
>>713723That, and get into web revival stuff. A big reason censorship happens is people depend on platforms the the first place.
>>713728I mean, I disagree in part. That isn't going to do anything about irl censorship, and putting people in prison because they bought japanese comics
>>713747Not directly, there's broader issues, top of the upstream in capitalism. That said it'll at least uncensor the content itself to do it digitally.
>>713975https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30698640Anyways, recently I came across this article written in 2015 from the BBC, I can't understand how anyone could read this without being annoyed by this stupid brit going around and wokescolding Japanese convention goers, like jfc.
>His candour takes me by surprise. He then introduces me to the word "Lolicon", short for "Lolita complex" - the name for manga featuring young girls engaged in sexually explicit scenarios. It can involve incest, rape and other taboos, though Hide's tastes lie more with high-school romance.
>"I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says.
>I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby".
>"She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other."
>Fans like Hide argue they are just enjoying harmless fantasy. No child models or actors are involved, he says, so "there is no child abuse for creating sexual topic mangas".
>But is the boundary between fantasy and reality always clear?They really did the fucking "But at what cost?" shit with japanese lolicons lmfao
>>713983BBC is right on this one
Too bad they covered up Jimmy Fucking Savile
Anyway, lolicon=pedophilia
>>713985I would pay you to go to komiket or whereever, and go up to the loli doujin stand and try to convince the poor japanese comic fans that they are all child rapists and that they'll go to hell before they die.
>>713975Why are posting this character in a thread about lolis? She's not a loli because I can clearly see her breasts.
>>713990Not to hell, they will be thrown in labour camps for their fucked up behaviour
>>713991She is Fate Testarossa from Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, and she is depicted in the series as both a loli and young adult, picrel. (I think she starts as nine in the canon?)
I used her image because the example I brought up in OP, fan comics of this franchise with sexual topics are criminalised, because the main characters are under the age of consent, often with disregard to how they are depicted.
>>713992Reading comics is sooo fvcked up….. soo so fvcked up 😭😭😭
>>713992you will never achieve anything of worth so your larp of controlling people's behaviour in private will never happen.
>>714000Out of allthe actually greatmanga out there, why would you read this shit ?
>>714059you will never achieve anything of worth so your larp of normalising pedophilic behaviour in public will never happen
>>714121good thing not a single lolicon wants to normalize pedophilic behaviour, only triggered mentally retards that think they do.
>>713692you are a pedophile
>>714120Why is your subjective opinion so important?
Also lyrical nanoha is mostly an anime not a manga>>714121>normalising pedophilic behaviour in publicWhy, yes, you can just make shit up, nobody can stop you I suppose.
>>714193Read me the definition of "pedophile"
Loli art should be banned. Like generative AI trained on csam material the loli art genre makes extensive use of actual csam material as templates. Loli art is riddle with references to some (in)famous cp and snuff movies, similar to how vanilla manga is riddled with pop culture and (popular) art history references which makes it a direct derivative and thus dependent on the systemic abuse of children.
>>714301>Loli art is riddle with references to some (in)famous cp and snuff moviesHow in the hell do you know this?????
>similar to how vanilla manga is riddled with pop culture and (popular) art history references which makes it a direct derivative and thus dependent on the systemic abuse of children.This is an incomprehensible opinion. Actually can you articulate it further I genuinely want to understand this.
>>714308What do you mean by opinion? These are literally the facts.
>IncomprehensibleWhat aspect is incomprehensible to you here? This is pretty straight forward. Loliart js a direct derivative of csam material and should thus be banned. I don't really buy the fact that you heard of this for the first time, buddy. You are just another bad faith pedo apologist trying to colonize another online community with your attempt to normalize this crap.
>>713692Agent Kochinski diddybludden ah thread
>>714315>These are literally the facts>No, I conveniently cannot provide evidence because its a crime to do so>Also I cant point to any indirect evidence like a study or something>You are just being badfaith for askingOK.
>Loliart js a direct derivative of csam materialDo you believe that picrel was traced from actual child porn? Or that any real life child actually looks like that?
>You are just another bad faith pedo apologist trying to colonize another online community with your attempt to normalize this crap.Literally all of the internet is anti-loli already, like everywhere you go it is banned and people like you show up to argue badfaith ad nauseaum. If you search loli on reddit, google, any mainstream search engine, your search gets blocked. If you post about it on twitter, bluesky, tumblr, and most social media, your account will get shadow banned.
Despite it still being perfectly within the realm of legality in most of the world. The only reason the internet behaves like this is to impress
relatively recent moral campaigns centered in the anglo world by reactionary christian groups like collective shout, or fightthenewdrug.
This is just the war on drugs but on an easier, nicher target, believe me the last thing I want is loli to be normalized.
I just want the normals to leave me alone Damn the same schizos that shat all over isg are here now lmao. I got molested as a kid, I know for a fact drawings and the real thing are 1000% on a different ballpark. Fuck idealist pro-censorship moralfags to death.
>>714325>Literally all of the internet is anti-loli already, like everywhere you go it is banned and people like you show up to argue badfaith ad nauseaum. If you search loli on reddit, google, any mainstream search engine, your search gets blocked. If you post about it on twitter, bluesky, tumblr, and most social media, your account will get shadow banned.This is a good thing and ethically correct.
>This is just the war on drugs but on an easier, nicher target, believe me the last thing I want is loli to be normalized. I just want the normals to leave me aloneThis is just gross. Comparing people suffering from drug addiction and the victims of the war on drugs to consumers of csam and its derivative is outrageous, tone deaf and another attempt by you to normalize and relativize the issue. The victims in this equation are the fucking children, you piece of shit. Stop arguing in favor of the legality of csam material and its derivatives on public Internet forums? Just an idea
OP if I were you I'd try to get the most involves. The anti-loli poster youre dealing with is extremely bad faith. Makes shit up, refuses to provide sources, shits all over sourced facts for being le bad and eventually start throwing up insults and doing /pol/fag tier logical traps to try to get you banned (he repeatedly accused another poster of asking for csam when in reality he just asked for evidence for his claims, which the anti poster pretended to interpret as solicitation of cp in an incredibly weasily move to try to get him banned)
Discussion with this person is not worth it. Antis have no arguments and sooner or later they drop the mask and behave as what they really are: bullies.
>>714329The real idealism is thinking that loliart is somehow a unique and exceptional artform that exists in the magic lala of ideas and fantasy when like all art it is derivative in nature but it is the derivative of csam which makes it problematic.
>I was molested as a childSo what? Why is this supposed to give you special authority on this issue? You know that child abusers themselves are statistically over-represented when it comes to childhood abuse? In the eyes of many evoking your past trauma in a discussion like this would actually regarded to weaken the strength of your argument, not give it more weight.
>>714335I can write stories of serial killers without having to watch snuff films you know.
Nobody had to die for Dexter to be made so who gives a fuck?
>>714333The claim that loliart is subject to some kind of magic exceptionalism that doesn't make it a derivative art form is both irrational and untenable, as well as deeply idealist. No person that claims to be a leftist who subscribes to materialism would make these deeply unserious claims that are quasi-theological in nature.
>>714331>The victims in this equation are the fucking childrenI'm harming real life children by drawing magical girls getting into mecha fights to solve their toxic yuri love triangles? You seriously believe that? What children? How?
>>714333Yeah, I know. It just sucks these people take up so much room online, I made this thread in hopes to take a more optimistic approach and side step their "debate" all together, but I really cannot help trying to understand them, I feel like at some point they must realize they don't have much to go on, and might change their views… But I guess it's just sunkcost fallacy.
>>714337Do I have to watch snuff films to write about serial killers? Y/N.
>>714336Is a hypothetical supposed to be an argument? I don't care about hypotheticals I care about the real world and in the real world loliart is a csam derivative and yes cop shows are inspired by serial killers but the deciding difference is that csam is committed with an express purpose of producing this type of media. So no csam media and its derivatives are not fucking as bad as cop shows. This is just another pedo apologist talking point. Another attempt and normalizing and relativizing.
>>714339You have to kill someone to make a snuff film.
>>714342Actually, what about Nabokovs novel Lolita? Do you think that should be banned or is somehow "derivative" of actual harm?
>>714343My point is I dont need to watch real crime footage to write a fantasy version.
>>714342In the real world no one gets hurt when a person makes loli shit. Youre arguing in bad faith.
>>714338>I'm harming real life children by drawing magical girls getting into mecha fights to solve their toxic yuri love triangles? You seriously believe that? What children? How?The children from the cp that serves as template in the loliart genre which is riddled with references and traced art based on csam.
>>714346The point is that your hypothetical is irrelevant. I am describing a present state and present crimes that are being committed right now or have been committed.
>>714349You are a pedo CSAM consumer. Nobody else but you claims to get mfing CP references. You like the real thing. You jerk off to real kids. I can almost smell the guilt.
>>714348In the real world csam serves as template for loli art. This is another vowshite pedo analog normalization argument. 'It's just pixels on a screen, the crime has already been committed, no one is going to be hurt from this in the future' etc.
>>714349But the facts are as follows:
1. You cannot provide evidence for this claim
2. Nobody else can corroborate this claim
3. I can demonstrate the contrary to this claim
4. Other anons have already demonstrated contrary to this claim
5. You have not addressed any of these facts and yet still expect everyone to believe you.
This guy sees loli drawings and goes "I recognize that cp reference!" and then calls everyone else a pedo LMAO cant make this shit up
>>714353I see you have run of arguments and are now employing a tactic of projection ('you leftists are the real racists'). I am accepting your concession. Thanks for playing.
>>714357Alright man go get those cp references nobody else can get. Totally not incriminating btw.
>>714355Just say the words. Say the words that you want to see the material so mods can permaban you and all fucking disgusting pedo apologists on this board.
>>714358Yeah, like there have never been any loliartists being busted for possession ever.
>>714359You admitted to watching enough real CSAM material to recognize references in drawings.
>>714359No, I don't want to. But I simply cannot believe something without any evidence, at that point I might as-well believe in god too.
Multiple anons have posted art or drawings that clearly did not need to "use cp as template" but you simply ignored them, because they contradicted your baseless claim.
If Western leftistists spent as much time organizing as they did defending their treatlerite csam-derivative media on the internet the world revolution would be done by tomorrow noon.
>>714361I have never admitted to anything. Another shitty projection made by someone without any arguments left.
Report the bad faith troll for rules 11 and/or 14.
>>714365You have not provided any argument or source for anything, only admissions to catching CSAM references. In this very thread, even.
>>714366I am not trolling shit. All my arguments are sound and consistent. It's you who are making ridiculous claims such as that a certain type of artform is not derivative in nature which is peak idealist.
>>714365You still haven't replied to this:
>>714345Is it because it doesn't fit your narrative?
>>714364Virtually non of the "western left" cares about this issue, I'm sure most of them never even heard of it
>>714368You watch real CSAM (you admitted it) your opinion is irrelevant.
>>714363>>714367See this is how far you people are gone. 'I can't belive this type of art that is sexualizing children is based on and inspired by actual child abuse material.' THIS IS A RIDICULOUS CLAIM!!!
Do you unironically understand that this line of thinking is considered to be absolutely mental to anyone whose brain isn't as pornsick as yours? Deep down you do realize that, yes??
>>714371This doo be like
>if loli isnt based on csam then why do I get all the csam references?Like BRUH LMAAAAO
>>714370Never did but go off king with your pathological projection.
>>714374But bruuuuh you fuckin admitted it LOOOOOL cant backtrack now my man 🤣🤣🤣
>>714377Now they're just posting soyjak stuff, really ran out of steam.
why Lolicon consumers always lose their shit when you bring up the tracing or template issue? do they see themselves as somewhat above other pedophiles or something? they have the same visceral reaction of meat eaters when you bring up the fact that thex are killing animals for their enjoyment.
>>714379crazy that all this antiposting may be stealth shartyfag raiding
>>714380You consume csam shut yo ass up no one cares what you think
>>714379Nah, this is your kind falseflagging and smearing me as a soyjakker because you have completely ran out of arguments. I have been on leftypol before the first rojava threads popped up.
Btw extremely sus that you make one post voicing your distaste on loli in a random slow thread in siberia, a very common and normal opinion. And you have three unhinged posters on your ass spamming away and threatening to call the mods within a mere ten seconds. If this isn't prove of some form of coordinated action I don't know what it is.
The voiceeeees. The voiceeeeeees. THEYRE IN THE WALLS. THE GANGSTALKERS. THE VOICEEEEEES THEYRE IN THE WALLS.
>>714380Meat eaters aren't killing animals. Implying consumption is exactly the same as, or is the source of production is blatantly anti-Marxist understanding of economics. Now you're just resorting to neoliberalism…
>>714386I mean they were already shitting up /ISG/ and when mods told us to stop they came here. I already made the thread to avoid polluting the rest of the board, because I wanted serious discussion about opposing moral campaigns against fiction.
>>714388projection, gaslighting, go on, we are almost done with all techniques
totally normal that a random thread on siberia is being brigaded instantly and ramps up more posts in 10 minutes than the entire board gets in a week.
>>714389Even in the case of meat eating an animal has to die whereas no one needs to get hurt for drawings to exist.
>>714390Dude you SAID IT YOURSELF that you get csam references LMAOOOO you cant fucking unsay that 😭😭😭
This dude says he gets csam references completely on his own volition and then expects no one to find that shit obviously incriminating, wtf 🤣🤣
I think we have to face the reality that there is a stormfront-style campaign on this board that in the long-term seeks to normalize csam and csam-derivative media on this forum, either for mere distribution, my guess would be by former members of publicly facing pedoohilic online communities like that of Destiny/Vowsh or to comprise this political online space as a platform in a more targeted fashion.
>>714396pedophilic', compromise'
>>714396says the guy that admits to get csam references unprompted
>>714398Time will vindicate me, like it vindicated OldBO.
>>714400nothing will vindicate a csam consuming fuck
>>714400Are you the rojava poster who uses the ypg falg? They're the only anon I ever see bring up oldBO
>>714401Notice how this person earlier claimed that shitting on loli is the kind of pedojacking fascists engaged in and that the term of csam is an invention of moralists yet when he ran out of arguments and lost the debates, and all that is left to them is insult and projection they are more than happy to engage in it. This is the final prove that these lolidefenders are all bad faith actors and will drop their own hypocritical arguments at the merest convenience.
>>714405you admitted to get csam references little bro nothing you say has any value
>>714405You still haven't made an argument that can be substantiated in any way. They are just having a little fun with you as you run around in circles.
>>714446It's taken straight from the soyshart site, you can see the attachment name.
>>714377this still hasnt been debunked btw
>>714468Bitch, nobodies reading that shit, go back.
>>713692I am still not fully sure if legalising lolicon would be the good idea, but if I was you, I would have started from arguing for abolition of distinction bewteen "high" and "low" art. Because, as you had already said, "infohazardous" content is seen as a lot less toxic wen it is considered high art.
>>714468>bro, use all your time to debunk the strawmans i made.no, if you are retarded enough to think fiction is real and able to brainwash on contact you are no diferent to the christians calling pokemon a devil's game, tolerating this behavior is retarded and engaging seriously in debunking it is a waste of time because they will just make another strawman, it's no diferent to anti-communist ideology, call it all brainfodder for NPC's and move on.
Loligoons should eat a bullet, honestly. Why do they have such a big persecution complex?
>>715014because loliseethers devote their entire lives to getting triggered by them and bothering them every second and asking for their execution, why they wouldn't like that i wonder.
Maybe if lolicons didn't spam their yuri tentacle unbirth hentai caps everywhere they went, people wouldn't want loli banned, just saying.
>>715154>sound development of youthwhich youth lol,also it ends up also attacking "slander" in the same package,very subtle
Kill lolicons. Behead lolicons. Roundhouse kick a lolicon into the concrete. Slam dunk a lolicon babyfucker into the trashcan. Crucify filthy weebs. Defecate in a lolicon's food. Launch lolicons into the sun. Stir fry lolicons in a wok. Toss lolicons into active volcanoes. Urinate into a lolicon's gas tank. Judo throw lolicons into a wood chipper. Twist lolicons' heads off. Report lolicons to the police. Karate chop lolicons in half. Curb stomp fakepregnant obese lolicons. Trap lolicons in quicksand. Crush lolicons in the trash compactor. Liquify lolicons in a vat of acid. Eat lolicons. Dissect lolicons. Exterminate lolicons in the gas chamber. Stomp lolicon skulls with steel-toed boots. Cremate lolicons in the oven. Lobotomize lolicons. Mandatory post-birth abortions of lolicons. Grind lolicon fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown lolicons in fried chicken grease. Vaporize lolicons with a ray gun. Kick old lolicons down the stairs. Feed lolicons to alligators. Slice lolicons with a katana.
>Literally all of the internet is anti-loli already, like everywhere you go it is banned and people like you show up to argue badfaith ad nauseaum. If you search loli on reddit, google, any mainstream search engine, your search gets blocked. If you post about it on twitter, bluesky, tumblr, and most social media, your account will get shadow banned.
>Despite it still being perfectly within the realm of legality in most of the world. The only reason the internet behaves like this is to impress relatively recent moral campaigns centered in the anglo world by reactionary christian groups like collective shout, or fightthenewdrug.
Woe is you, uygha. Nobody ever liked you, even back in the 4chan oldfag times. You're just leaving the comfort zone of the anime incel board to learn that the vast majority of people online think you're a creepy fetishist.
>>715014Because we are quite literally persecuted, and for one of the biggest nothingburgers of all time as well.
Ask yourself why is this moralist wankery is worth anyones time?
>>716455
>You're just leaving the comfort zone of the anime incel board to learn that the vast majority of people online think you're a creepy fetishist.You really believe I give a shit what you think? lmao
I really don't care how you feel, but if you keep attacking me I'm going to find a way to fight back.
>>715154>Think Of the children!Yet these same child welfare programs overlook bullying and oppressive parents
>>716455>>713707>>713992Imagine getti my all pissy over some cartoons of cutesy girls yet you have no problem with gore
>>718788What does gore has to do with this?
>>713692This level of idpol is fatal. Please just end my misery.
>>718779But anti-lolicons do more than just call us "pedo" infact, most lolicons find it arousing to be teased. What I'm talking about here is getting arrested and put in jail for years
because of a drawing>>718809What identity is OP even relevant too? this is an off-topic thread about bourgeoisie policy, not individual identity.
do not reply
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>>718937Please stop this bad faith pedojacketing.
Guys, I got an idea how we can really fight the power. You know how the yippies did "smoke ins" in the 70's where they all gathered togethter to smoke weed? Well we should do that but with lolicon.
We all go together, loli doujins in hand, and sit down on the steps of the city hall or something, and just start jerkin it. We'll have a huge "jerk in" and then they'll realize just how stupid and frivolous these laws are and abolish them that instant. They can't arrest all of us!
BUMMP
>>718890>>718942You can goon to all your drawings (of children getting raped) in prison.
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