My philosophy MA friend said that Heidegger is basically considered persona non grata by the academy because he was a peripheral Nazi, while Foucault, who literally raped children, is treated as a hero. It is weird to me that being a Nazi is considered worse than being a pedo (although there's a lot of overlap, but I'm talking more about Nazis like Heidegger, or other right wing philosophers like Dugin).
I have never thought about this. So I don't know
According to TikTok, pedophilia. But they consider a 27-year old dating a 19-year old to be “pedophilia” so take from that what you will.
>>718092Hebephilia ≠ pedophilia
Pedos don’t mass murder disabled and queer folx.
>>718096Foucault raped pre-teen children
>>718096same bullshit
>>718098Foucault was a vile son of a bitch
They both were teenager-fuckers. There is no evidence of either of them fucking pre-teens.
>>718094It’s not just TikTok. It’s the general post-boomer culture.
>>718100They’re not the same.
It’s wrong but they’re not the same.
It’s like equating homicide with involuntary manslaughter.
>>718097It’s funny how people will rationalize violence but not sex
>>718103Your own source says:
>allegedlyI'm familiar with that "controversy". See here:
https://lundi.am/The-Black-Masses-of-Michel-Foucault-the-Bullshit-of-Guy-Sorman>Some fact-checking, the refutations of persons with direct knowledge of Foucault’s life in Tunisia and his relations with young adults, plus the refusal of Guy Sorman to reply to the testimony contradicting his accusations, soon led to the conclusion that this was a case of pure slander launched by a reactionary author in search of a buzz…"Young adults" may be stretching it a bit, but let's read on:
>As for the boys frequented by Michel Foucault, one learns finally that they weren’t 8 or 9 years old as Sorman maintained, but 17 or 18, according to the “categorical” statement of “Moncef Ben Abbes, the veritable keeper of the village’s memory”.So certainly not pre-puberty.
How is that worse than Heidegger having an affair with Hannah Arendt,
unless you add a homo-sin tax in your moral calculation?
>>718106A grown man fucking a 17-year old is still pedophilia, idiot.
Both are useless to wider Marxist and leftist thought but among liberalisms proponents Heidegger doesn't have much to offer them in terms of philosophy and carries around a lot of baggage so making him persona non grata doesn't hurt the neoliberal cause, and in fact could even be a boon because they could use it as "evidence" that liberalism is in conflict with national socialism and other far-right forces, even if the reality is much different. Foucault however, philosophically, still have much to offer liberal ideology because his ideas can be used by them as a cudgel against the left to say
>See?! leftism isn't a prerequisite for social justice! Liberalism can offer it just as well!
to them it doesn't matter if the reality is that Foucault was as much of a monster as any other liberal intellectual was, his utility is still needed to them
>>718106
>“Young adults” is stretching itColloquial consequence of extended childhood.
>>718109Then why are seventeen year olds given heavy sentences for assault and armed robbery?
If it’s pedophilia, then the seventeen year old in question would have to be not in puberty.
>>718109I feel like if it's consensual and the guy can get away with it then it's just being normal. I find it way better when it's a grown woman with a 17 year old male though.
>>718098>Foucault raped pre-teen children>>718109>fucking a 17-year old is still pedophilia1. Not according to most parts of world.
2. Moving goalposts from "raped pre-teen children".
3. There isn't even solid proof of them being 17, just there were "17
or 18".
Now answer this: Do you think it's worse because of him being a homo?
Question: what does everyone ITT think the Age of Consent should be?
>>718116somewhere between 14 to 16
>>718105Same shit you are a sicko
>inb4 muhralism >>718116For marriage? 30.
This is not a shitpost. >>71811616
But even then that doesn't make a grown-ass adult fucking a teen a good thing even if it's legal. Some of you act like developmental psychology doesn't exist.
Pedophilia is a mental disorder, not a philosophy. So I consider Foucault to be like Althusser in that sense, they did evil irredeemable things and what people find valuable in their philosophy has nothing to do with that. (By the way Foucault was an imperialist freak.)
Also Heidegger is not at all considered persona non grata in academia, I have no idea where your friend got that. Heidegger is still widely read.
>>718123Do you really think being gay is as bad as strangling your wife or haven't you read the thread?
>>718116Most of the world it’s 15 or 16.
USA is an anomaly with how high the Age of Consent is compared to other Western nations.
>>718123Good take. Foucault was mentally deranged and concerning his ‘work’, it was garbage. It is a waste of time to read Foucault. Pretentious french garbage.
>>718120The only good answer.
>>718123How was Foucault imperialist?
>>718123>(By the way Foucault was an imperialist freak.)this is true:
<https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v22/n11/edward-said/diary>Foucault very quickly made it clear to me that he had nothing to contribute to the seminar and would be leaving directly for his daily bout of research at the Bibliothèque Nationale. I was pleased to see my book Beginnings on his bookshelves, which were brimming with a neatly arranged mass of materials, including papers and journals. >Although we chatted together amiably it wasn’t until much later (in fact almost a decade after his death in 1984) that I got some idea why he had been so unwilling to say anything to me about Middle Eastern politics. In their biographies, both Didier Eribon and James Miller reveal that in 1967 he had been teaching in Tunisia and had left the country in some haste, shortly after the June War. >Foucault had said at the time that the reason he left had been his horror at the ‘anti-semitic’ anti-Israel riots of the time, common in every Arab city after the great Arab defeat. >At the time of the Paris seminar, he told me he had just returned from a sojourn in Iran as a special envoy of Corriere della sera. ‘Very exciting, very strange, crazy,’ I recall him saying about those early days of the Islamic Revolution. >Finally, in the late 1980s, I was told by Gilles Deleuze that he and Foucault, once the closest of friends, had fallen out over the question of Palestine, Foucault expressing support for Israel, Deleuze for the Palestinians. >>718129So Foucault was a Zio? Shocking.
>>718116We should have a chip in our brains that determines when we are each mature enough, and it should zap us if we touch ourselves before we reach that age.
>>718133abstinence-palantir best palantir
>>718129KEK, this makes shit even funnier knowing how much SJWs worship Foucault.
>>718129No wonder Chomsky sniffed him out as quick as he did. Fuckault has always been a slimeball.
>>718129Deleuze and Foucault falling out over Palestine makes me feel better about how it affected my relationships lol
Nazis are prob worse because they're involved in a lot of different types of violence (including sexual assault), while pedophilia is only one form of violence
Also there's no actual evidence that Foucault fucked kids iirc
>>718097How is raping kids better than murdering them for being autistic?
>>718129Zionism is objectively worse than pedophilia and Nazism, especially since it’s largely a combination of both. So fuck Foucault.
Both philosophers are anti-Marxist so who cares?
>>718175Why doesn't the cow just walk away?
>>718092being a pedophile is worse
>>718092You can reform a Nazi.
You can't reform a pedophile.
>>718123>lso Heidegger is not at all considered persona non grata in academia, I have no idea where your friend got that. Heidegger is still widely read.This is because western academia is made up of nazi pedophiles.
Nazi because they believe in ultimate subjectivity (see: standpoint epistemology, afropessimism, "decolonial studies", etc)
Ad pedophilia because all western institutions are built on pedophilia, no exceptions.
>>718191How is standpoint epistemology fascist?
>>718217It's mysticism personified, which is the backbone of fascism.
Look at the right today and you'll see how much it hates order and logic. The right (fascists) do everything according to feels and intuition. That's exactly why they embrace eugenics and eugenicist movements like "wellness." Those same Tumblr postmodernists from 12 years ago who claimed good grammar was colonialism and modern medicine is white supremacy have identical methodologies to actual fascists now.
>>718110Foucault's philosophy doesn't seem to jive very well with liberalism.
>>718245Yes.
The youngest a 30 year old can have sex with is 21. And even that is too borderline. Ideally a 30 year old should be fucking in the range of 25 to 35.
>>718265I love how baseless it all is. Keep seething though.
>>718265>>718121>developmental psychology >19 dating a 30 year old is “pedophilia”Ngmi
>>718265This reads like someone who gets their preferences from “rape culture” alarmists.
>>718120That’s too high for marriage.
If you think age numbers are an automatic metric of maturity then you’re sadly mistaken.
Being a philosopher
>>718092Foucalt is responsible for all this tiqqun invisible comitte stuff
>>718281Well, yea because Gid forbid some young adult dates a boomer. God forbid that a young adult wants to participate in real adult activities.
No, we need them to be barred to “protect” their “underdeveloped brains”.
It’s totally not like an act of moral projection to justify your own lack of maturation.
>>718296Amusingly the Tiqqun/Invisible Committee clique is very deeply influenced by Agamben, who attended Heidegger's lectures and is very clearly influenced by him. I doubt OP is right in claiming that Heidegger is considered a persona non grata.
Am I a diddy blud for having sex with an 18 year old as a 20 year old
>>718305Shiiet, fuck Heiduyghur then.
>>718265Ridiculous. Age doesn’t matter, values do.
>>718298I’d add that obsession with “brain development” is biological essentialism at its finest. You might as well say Blacks shouldn’t date Asians because of “racial brains” or something retarded like that.
Trick question, they're the same most of the time.
>>718343It’s late twentieth century phrenology.
Irony is, if we were to apply the brain development logic to neurodivergent and the elderly there would be riots over ableism and ageism.
>>718342The people who obsess over age numbers like that usually aren’t good judges of value.
They’re projecting their immaturity.
>>718379Correct. You might as well claim that there needs to be laws preventing neurotypical people from fucking autistic people, because being autistic means you "can't consent" apparently.
Itt: leftists making the fedora "It's ackshually ephebophilia" argument
They are the same thing
>>71811618 is "fine" but there has to be a spectrum of just how old can a partner can actually be
whatever to not let Seinfuck off the hook
>they don't know it was common until relatively recently for grown ass men to fuck minors
don't get me wrong it's progress that this is no longer socially acceptable but singling out Foucault for this shit when it was bordering on normal for men in their 40s to have 13 year old child brides is kind of a stupid double standard. it doesn't make it okay that Foucault did what he did anymore than men in 1950s West Virginia doing it but this is more a problem with patriarchy than with the gays or leftists or critical theorists or whatever the fuck kinda shit that right-wingers always twist this into.
>>718092>My philosophy MA friend said that Heidegger is basically considered persona non grata by the academyYour friend is either a whiny lib or a resentful chud making shit up to feel oppressed. Heidegger is one of the most influential philosophers of the last 100 years. Also pointless to try to keep "pedophilia" out of Western philosophy considering where it originates. Retarded thread
Now when you say pedo do you mean actual pedos who have their biological wires crossed, or do you mean it in the hysterical "30 year old man who went on a date with a 25 year old woman once" radlib way
>>723601picking her up from class is crazy
at least be fucking discreet about it
>>723758Foucault had sex with minors in Tunisia. He said he was "seduced by ephebes".
>>723829>but it's at least frowned upon nowi'm very happy that it's frowned upon in your culture, and i sincerely hope it'll stay this way
sadly i don't think it's the case for some, i'm sorry
>>723827Why? He's rich and famous. What's the point if you can't violate social conventions? Especially when it gets you sex. I don't like Jerry Seinfeld because he's a Zionist and he was the least funny on that show but I think I get why he did what he did.
>>718092>being a ganocidal faggot who kills innocent women and children <suffering from pedophilic mental illnessHmm must be the same thing.
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