/siberia/ - Off-topic

posting official thread musical theme

It would be hot to be trampled by a cute female police officer 👉👈

>>719886
I'd like to propose a different theme, my dear comrade

This has to be my favourite scene in any movie ever

RIP Michael Madsen you absolute beast
New adventures await for you wherever you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-aDz23CId8

this goes hard

>>720081
>>720085
Allow me to do you one better

>>720095

it's alright but i still like the Stuck In the middle with you one better

well since you asked

>>720340
>>720272
these made my dick is so hard it could cut glass
>>720264
your taste is dogshit

>>720081
Torture is evil no matter who it's against. My favorite scenes would definitely be the Terminator 1 station massacre and The Matrix lobby scene.

>>720340
is that from a porno or something

anyone got the one where a dog is attacking one pig and his partner pig tries to shoot the dog but ends up shooting his pig partner

>>720374

you can't just not play the cruelty game.

the enemy won't hesitate to torture ours, failing to level up with them will only make them feel like their actions have no consequences.

conditioning the enemy is an important part of every fight.

>>720446
torture doesn't work. it's just a way to extract false confessions. otherwise you're wasting time with sadism.

>>720446
if someone's bad kill 'em. no need for torture.

>>720612
>>720613

torture 100% works, it's not about getting information, it's about sending a message.
if you're not terrorizing your enemies you're just letting them know there's no consequences to escalating the cruelty race against you.

>>720624
>torture 100% works
not really
> it's not about getting information, it's about sending a message.
What message? There's no message. Every second you waste torturing enemies could be better spent killing enemies. You can kill dozens of enemies in the time it takes to torture one. 12 dead enemies sends a better message than 1 tortured enemy. Shoot the bastard then keep moving. Torture is just needless cruelty at best and actively time wasting in an urgent situation at worst. Also it gives your own people trauma and makes them wonder if they're the baddies.
>if you're not terrorizing your enemies you're just letting them know there's no consequences to escalating the cruelty race against you.
that's a race to the bottom. I'd rather become victorious. You seize enemy territory with your guerillas. Do you

A) keep moving and keep finding more enemies to kill
B) needlessly waste time torturing people just to get false testimonies and conflicting info out of them?

>>720633

drones and artillery have made killing less personal, not very different from playing a videogame, hell, most american war tourists go make a living off it since they're more useful as propaganda tools by giving them a cushy drone operator job and keeping them safe for them to go back and talk about what a great time they had while the locals and colombians died in the frontlines like flies.

infantry nowadays is mostly cheap labour in the field rather than actually killing as most combat calibers can be stopped by modern armor.

you don't get the same effect as you do making an example out of the survivors.

half of the guerrilla work is looking after the camp and scouting; there's a reason why cartels use children as their eyes in the cities like modern urban guerrillas.

the days of the rugged guerrillas are over, every operation must be optimized and as sophisticated as the enemy's.

and sending messages as deterrent be it artillery strikes, threats of an escalation in cruelty and keeping politicians in the payroll is all part of the game that modern warfare has become.
that's just how it is.

on a side note logistics is also a huge part of warfare, using prisoners for labour is also not new for guerrillas, if you really must be soft with them.

bumping with another song bcus

>>720633
Great post

>>720624
>>720637
Do you think Stalin was an idealist softie for having a policy of executing soldiers who commited rape? Or do you think the policy was a fabrication that never existed?

>>721831

I don't think soviet intelligence shied away from torture

>>721831
>Do you think Stalin was an idealist softie for having a policy of executing soldiers who commited rape?
Common Stalin W but how is that relevant to torture? Torture can include rape but doesn't have to do so and serves a different purpose usually

>>721901
That didn't make it effective. It just doesn't work, it's dumb and if you're unironically for it you're dumb and you probably don't get any results either.

>>720633
>I'm ok with murdering as much ppl as necessary but le torture is bad
Come on man, if torture is 100% ineffective the US would stop waterboarding people. Sabinyak is right in calling you out here for trying to impose some arbitrary standard

>>721913
you keep talking about the studies made around extracting info (which yes,doesn't work because everybody will want to stop being tortured),but I think keeping hostages and publicly torturing them to demoralize opponents isn't really the same (since you're only stopping when you finally shoot them in the head,or even better,give them back in a hostage exchange as utterly broken messes they have to take care of)

>>721929 (me)
it also has the other effect that you give proof that you indeed don't kill on sight and maybe they can escape/get free after,which is good to force surrenders

>>721929
>>721930

there is definitely a sweet spot at which you just turn into Pol Pot where your cruelty becomes so cartoony everyone just wants you dead and soldiers stop surrendering and start fighting to the death.

you have to find the right spot where public opinion won't care if you cut some ears, leave some heads behind, etc. etc.

the best torture it's the one that it's systemic and makes you feel powerless more than just trying to turn random enemy fighters into dog food… which is not a bad idea either but you have to know where to hurt them, a lot of them will sometimes be expecting death already so you have to play with that, they're more scared of being alive and probably ready to be killed.

then there's political kidnappings like the ones the EZLN used to do to governors and their staff.

they'd make them work for their food and keep them alive to be traded

the war in Colombia is the biggest example of this, be too proactive and you go as a murderous crazy who hurt the movement in the eyes of the common folk (Martín Sombra(not me tho, i think he did what he had to do))
be too soft and you become a demsoc (who are important to leverage treaties and keep the fighters safe for a while)

but at the end of the day the US is going to try and balkanize your people and they won't have a doubt when torturing yours

so it's safe to say you'll eventually have to keep a level of deterrence in which if you don't torture them, they'll say you did anyway, and if you do, they'll tell their friends about the torture and many of them will get cold feet and go back to their family.

>>720633
>torture doesn't work
According to whom, exactly? Torture is a completely valid tactic that should be used judiciously like anything else. You are a faggot who has never even been interrogated by police or arrested, let alone tortured. Pipe down.

>>722052
>there is definitely a sweet spot at which you just turn into Pol Pot where your cruelty becomes so cartoony everyone just wants you dead and soldiers stop surrendering and start fighting to the death.
only happened well into the 90's when (after previously successfully having ordered the execution of Son Sen and his entire family) he ordered Ta Mok to kill Khieu Samphan and Ieng Sary. Ta Mok refused to comply and instead placed Pol Pot into house arrest where he died (presumably committed suicide by overdosing on a Valium/benzodiazepine and malaria medication, this version is attested by Nate Thayer) just before Ta Mok was about to turn him over to the Americans

>picrel
by the way, in the 70s there was a chance people would give absolutely nonsensical confessions (that still seemed "believable" enough to often poorly educated KR cadres) just to stop being tortured. this did not prevent them from being "disposed of" by being executed/buried on the death camp grounds or (once they ran out of free space for the bodies) being transported to the killing fields and executed/buried there

>>722074

there's a method to the madness

>>721929
>>721930
I'm not the person you've been talking too, and torture isn't any more effective at getting those results, you just wanna rationalize to have a sweet hot take to carry around, and you're dumb.

>>722343
Brought a hammer to a gunfight and still won

>>720340
the usual suspect of course

>>722343
demons

>>722800
angels