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ITT: discuss woke moralism

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>>724989
No one who is woke defends the rich, lol.

>that image
You are complaining that rich people have more money? Sounds like moralism, bud

When ever I here the words “Woke moralism” I immediately think of this meme.

>>724994
Stop making claims about what woke people are and aren't, it's a subjective and meaningless meme term.

>>724994
being woke and pro-rich is basically describes the average lib

>woke
Not real and has never been real, get off Twitter and touch digital grass.

>>724987
Women should simply discard moids and start their own society given that both rightoid and leftoid moids are misogynist af.

>>725019
Not really. „Woke“ people, which is supposed to mean progressive liberals, criticize the rich and as well, just based on a rudimentary social democratic worldview. You‘ll find no „woke“ person complaining about prejudice against rich people. The rich are a privileged category in their intersectional model. That‘s like complaining about prejudice against whites or men. It‘s categorically excluded in wokeness.

Too often I've seen people here posturing about being against moralism and then reveal themselves to be against any form of ethical framework at all…

“Woke” does not exist. This term was invented by Judeo-masons to stigmatize non-mainstream right-wingers

>>725074
Yes. So far they've never managed to refute the famous Lumpenpack Dilemma.

>>725079
"woke" literally came from black people to mean being "awake" on social issues. as someone into conspiracy theories in the early 2010s, i would use it to be self-descriptive, and overtime it became a pejorative to replace "politically correct".


>>725042
>Woke“ people, which is supposed to mean progressive liberals
That's only your own arbitrary definition and not how it's used by most people.

>>725110
LOL do you live under a rock?

>>725106
She‘s an outlier.

>>725110
>>725126
You both know people use that word however they damn well please, this is stupid, you're being stupid.

>>725074
fr, I think Stirner should be required reading for anyone that wants to break away from morality. Anti-moralism without ethics is just anprim.

>>725207
woke just means not racist

>>725255
Tribal people certainly have ethics just like any other society.

>>725259
no, woke originally meant that but now it means engaging in progressive idpol to such an extreme degree you become reactionary, i.e. hating white people so much you defend the nation of islam, a reactionary islamo-fascist organization

>>725344
You cannot think of an example of "woke" as you define it that exists outside of twitter because it's not real.

>>725360
>You cannot think of an example of "woke" as you define it that exists outside of twitter
You say that as if this website can be representative of anything?

>>725344
>woke is an imaginary boogeyman that hurts my feefees
You are just using it like right wingers. There is some arbitrary cut off based on your personal sensibilities where you call something woke, which isn‘t a productive way of using terms. In the end, woke is just a term to identify people who are reactionaries (the people using the term as a derogatory label). The Marxist version of that is to engage in a class reductionism that denies the effects of superstructural oppression, just like OP‘s image that implies women and men are equally poor when women are less wealthy than men are.

>>724987
woke moralism is good, and it is a bottom-up phenomenon. the fact that companies responded to bottom up demands with the weakest and most tokenistic concessions possible (which were then withdrawn following a reactionary backlash funded by the bourgeoisie and petit bourgeoisie) doesn't suddenly make the whole thing fake and top-down.

for the most part, 'woke moralists' learned from the experience and became class conscious. they even did so before the rug was pulled out from under them, correctly predicting that as soon as there was a reactionary movement companies would stop their token gestures. the idea that there are a bunch of SJWs who oppose redistribution between rich and poor because they're more concerned with the lack of female CEOs is a delusion believed only by stupid men acting in bad faith. usually idiots who like socialism as an aesthetic theory (dude what if soviet steelworkers!! oh, me, obviously, i'll work in the planning bureau or the military staff haha) rather than as a serious demand to change the world, by men who, like the small cohort of reactionary lumpen today, are unable and unwilling to adapt to the realities of a service economy where women make up a large chunk of proles and have relatively equal social status.

palestine is a good illustrative issue here: nobody on the left/liberal side of politics fell for the moronic idea that LGBT people should be anti-palestine because palestinians are socially conservative, despite the bourgeois trying to use it as a bad-faith cudgel to beat young people with for daring to oppose a genocide. they took an anti-imperialist stance instead of going for a vulgar social-liberal interventionist stance. They immediately recognized that token (and overblown) socially liberal rights in Israel mean nothing because, as an apartheid state, they are not enjoyed by all. They immediately spammed that book extract about an Israeli soldier shooting a gay Palestinian in the head while he was with his boyfriend. "The most progressive state in the middle east!" yeah, like the average anti-woke idiot under 30, it didn't wash.

if some woke moralists are still a little naive (the famous "i'll do tarot readings under socialism" type) they are nevertheles well-meaning and pro-left, while the average anti-woke retard, even of the left, will contrive to explain why it's actually good that trump is deciding to punish the actually-existing proletariat in a quixotic attempt to improve the relative social status of reactionary self-employed but manual workers.

>>725106
>2017
jesus fucking christ kill yourself you big out of touch crybaby. go to the hardware store, by the strongest rope you can find, string it to your ceiling light, hang yourself, pull the ceiling down with the weight of your fat ass and self-pity filled head, take the rope in hand, find something stronger like the handrail of a highway overpass, jump, snap, and fuck off.


>>725365
>You say that as if this website can be representative of anything?
If something is clearly a figment of the twitter algorithm, then don't bring it up anecdotally elsewhere. Saying "look, this twitter user beleives this!" is just a %20 meat equivelant of saying "look, ChatGPT beleives this!"

>>725393
>You are just using it like right wingers
Even right-wingers just use it to describe anyone they find annoying about idpol, I've never seen anyone use it in the very specific sense that anon's claiming.
But let's engage in actual linguistic research and examine noteworthy memetic contexts in which the word is used:
"Dark woke" -> used semi-ironically and sympathetically to describe people with mainstream American liberal politics who adopt a harsh rather than conciliatory attitude; only makes sense if you associate wokeness with the center-left, because anything to the left of the American overton window is assumed to be non-conciliatory by default
"That one friend who's too woke" -> implies there's a reasonable level of woke that one can exceed, so wokeness can't be definitionally extreme
"Woke capitalism" -> do I even have to explain this one? Obviously it implies wokeness and capitalism are compatible

>>725423
>Even right-wingers just use it to describe anyone they find annoying about idpol, I've never seen anyone use it in the very specific sense that anon's claiming.
It is the same and they needn‘t explicitly say it because they would never admit that but it can be inferred. For them there is some arbitrary cut off level where it gets too progressive for them, probably a step above what they believe in, and then they exaggerate it into some fantasy straw man: „so anti-racist that they hate whites and defend the brotherhood of islam“. Then they are not woke in the traditional sense, but some sort of black nationalist who actually hates white people and has no relation to progressivism and the original meaning of being woke. Their usage of woke is just lumping in vaguely associated things that they feel triggered by while they aren’t actually part of the same thing, which is how right wingers use it. It displays your ignorance and fear. The complaint that something gets „too woke“ also shows that you can‘t actually articulate what is wrong about it. If it is and you can then just explain why it is harmful. But you can‘t and that‘s why you use your handy buzzword of which you expect people to concede to. If you don‘t prove that where you‘ve set this threshhold of where things get too woke is appropriate, your complaints of things being too woke are null and void. It amounts to just being a gut feeling. But people like that won‘t engage in concretely discussing what‘s wrong about what they call „too woke“ because they know they would lose such a debate. It‘s a mix of feeling antagonized be the truth and selfishly demanding a time where we all were ignorant about various realities and problems you weren‘t affected by. Stripping you of that comfort is where things got „too woke“ for you. That makes you equivalent to the right winger.


>>725814
Another retarded image. The SJW doesn‘t believe in inherent biological traits that make whites superior, but instead that social constructs and systems of oppression, that have historically emerged, privilege white people. As a Marxist you should already know how those systems of oppression came to be. The SJW seeks to dismantle those systems of oppression and ameliorate their negative effects in the meantime. That is not the same as believing races are real, that whites are biologically superior and that the system should be kept white supremacist, like the KKK member believes.


>>725836
So you have no actual argument, gatcha


>>725836
notice how both the idpol shitlib (liberal) and the id/pol/ fascist (liberal) both wear glasses while the representation of marx doesn't. maybe, just maybe…

>>725838
>>725836
these images are older than you are. in the spirit of recycling ancient material:
jesus fucking christ kill yourself you big out of touch crybaby. go to the hardware store, by the strongest rope you can find, string it to your ceiling light, hang yourself, pull the ceiling down with the weight of your fat ass and self-pity filled head, take the rope in hand, find something stronger like the handrail of a highway overpass, jump, snap, and fuck off.

Woke moralism on this board is mainly used by russian and chinese chauvinists who flex about how multiethnic their empires are.

>>725839
Glasses are a sign of being a nerd and NERDS are chuds

>>727575
glasses = chud theory proved TRUE once again

i think animals are fascists and deserve to be eaten

plants dont deserve to be eaten

i wish i didnt have to eat and could draw all day


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