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and founded on genocide of indigenous people and enslavement of Black people, but then explicitly or implicitly claim that said Black and Native people are exploiters of the third world, in order to imply that revolution is impossible in the US *even among black and native people*. In addition, why do the people opposing the claims of revolution being impossible in the US bring up the conditions of all working-class people in the US in general, instead of specifically that of Black and Native people. Idk, it seems like there used to be a coherent position on the left that revolution among *white* people specifically in the US was impossible, but that revolution among colonized people in the US was possible and necessary, but now it’s been subsumed into both of the positions I’m talking about. Also, it seems like a lot of people take the government propaganda that every single Native American died and there are none left today at face value in order to argue that *all* people in the US are unrevolutionary settlers, what’s up with that? Sorry, I know I’m being really reductive, this has just been bothering me for a really long time and I want some answers.

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It's all nonsense. It comes from what is essentially the American "Antideutsch." People who have interpreted internationalism as a sort of contrarian nationalism where every country is better than their own and their own nation doesn't deserve to exist. This is most apparent with the batshit politics of Antideutsch, but I think it exists in many countries and can hide better in anti-imperialist sentiment, sense any leftist is going to be opposed to the United States at least to some degree.

But this always manifests as some kind of wingnut nonsense. They have become an atheist, leftist version of the Westboro Baptist Church where the United States is too sinful for God's grace.

I also wonder if this isn't some subtle glowop. As ludicrous as some American nationalist history can be, the reaction against it has produced contrarian theories that make the nationalist history seem almost reasonable in comparison. For instance, the idea that the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery, or the idea that there were 100 million Native Americans and they were all killed directly by the colonists during the westward expansion and that it was the greatest genocide ever committed, even worse than the Nazis.


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