/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>726941
It's all nonsense. It comes from what is essentially the American "Antideutsch." People who have interpreted internationalism as a sort of contrarian nationalism where every country is better than their own and their own nation doesn't deserve to exist. This is most apparent with the batshit politics of Antideutsch, but I think it exists in many countries and can hide better in anti-imperialist sentiment, sense any leftist is going to be opposed to the United States at least to some degree.

But this always manifests as some kind of wingnut nonsense. They have become an atheist, leftist version of the Westboro Baptist Church where the United States is too sinful for God's grace.

I also wonder if this isn't some subtle glowop. As ludicrous as some American nationalist history can be, the reaction against it has produced contrarian theories that make the nationalist history seem almost reasonable in comparison. For instance, the idea that the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery, or the idea that there were 100 million Native Americans and they were all killed directly by the colonists during the westward expansion and that it was the greatest genocide ever committed, even worse than the Nazis.

>>726970
>As ludicrous as some American nationalist history can be, the reaction against it has produced contrarian theories that make the nationalist history seem almost reasonable in comparison. For instance, the idea that the American Revolution was fought to preserve slavery
Nobody says that the American revolution was fought to PRESERVE slavery, you are misrepresenting that. People say that the American revolution was fought because yank booj resented paying taxes, and wanted faster westward expansion, which the brits were restricting the yanks from because the brits had treaties with the indians that the yank colonists did not want to respect. Also, the brits objectively legally abolished slavery in their colonies 30 years before the burger civil war, so people rightly point out that burger slavery would have ended earlier if they had stayed a british colony… also the british did in fact arm slaves against the yank colonists, such as the ethiopian regiment, promising them freedom. Also Jefferson hollered about freedom and needing to refresh the treet of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants, but he seethed at the Haitian revolution living up to those words, and the US government in general supported French claims for reparations from the Haitians, which kept the Haitians economically bankrupt even after earning their emancipation, and now the entire "developed" world mocks Haitians for their economic underdevelopment and imply it's a product of their race (being racist is a sport for them you see) while ignoring the history of the 120 years of reparations payments, with interest, the trade embargoes against them , and the yank occupation in the 20s and 30s which saw their national bank get robbed of its gold reserves by uncle sam back when gold still mattered.

So yes, preserving slavery was on the agenda of the colonists, even if emancipation wasn't on the agenda of the brits, and their arming of slaves against the colonists was mostly opportunist, it still scared the colonists.

>>727046
>Nobody says that the American revolution was fought to PRESERVE slavery
A LOT of people say that and I am pretty sure you know it.
Anecdotally, I would guess over 3/4 of people I talked about it even believed that was the only issue involved.

>>726970
>greatest genocide ever committed, even worse than the Nazis
It absolutely was more destructive and effective than Nazism, look at how many indigenous North Americans are living today compared to ex Soviet people and Jews. It was a truly successful genocide campaign.

Your comparison with anti Germans is accurate though and the Gerald Horne 1619 counterrevolution theory is complete horseshit.

>>727055
The Native Americans were mostly wiped out by European diseases. That is, literally 95% of them. There really weren't all that many left to genocide. The largest Federal mass execution of natives was like 22 people. The Wounded Knee Massacre, which is one of the more heinous examples of genocidal killing of the native tribes, killed 90 people. Perhaps the greatest act of genocide committed against the Native Americans was the Trail of Tears, which killed between 2000 and 6500 people. Of course, these are all tragic events, but they don't even fit within the statistical margin of error of the shit the Nazis did.

>>727053
ok if people actually think that they are dumb but respond to these points:
< the American revolution was fought because yank booj resented paying taxes, and wanted faster westward expansion, which the brits were restricting the yanks from because the brits had treaties with the indians that the yank colonists did not want to respect. Also, the brits objectively legally abolished slavery in their colonies 30 years before the burger civil war, so people rightly point out that burger slavery would have ended earlier if they had stayed a british colony… also the british did in fact arm slaves against the yank colonists, such as the ethiopian regiment, promising them freedom.

>>727105
The Nazis also didn't shoot millions of people, they just took their food, blew up the infrastructure and watched them starve, die of disease or freeze to death. Guess why theres almost no bison left in the North American Plain.

>>726941
Self-hating honkies who think they can become Honorary uyghas.
>>726970
>But this always manifests as some kind of wingnut nonsense. They have become an atheist, leftist version of the Westboro Baptist Church where the United States is too sinful for God's grace.
Moonbats. The word you're looking for is moonbats.

Is this the dumb shit Americans think about? Lmfao

>>727224
The Nazis actually did directly murder millions of people.

The point of killing the buffalo wasnt to wipe the indigenous tribes out, but to make them have to come to the US government for food and force them onto reservations. Still a great crime, mind you, but when we're comparing to the Nazis (who almost certainly.would have pursued direct extermination in this situation), its fairly soft-handed.

at some point they unknowingly internalized picrel which is fairly common across the political spectrum in the US

It is just what happens when people who fully internalised narrative of american exceptionalism became leftist. If it cant be a beacon of liberty then it must be the opposite.