What the hell was his problem?
this is based actually
>>728203https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/condition-working-class/ch13.htm<Condition of the Working Class in England, by Engels, 1845<The Attitude of the Bourgeoisie Towards the Proletariat>Prophecy is nowhere so easy as in England, where all the component elements of society are clearly defined and sharply separated. The revolution must come; it is already too late to bring about a peaceful solution; but it can be made more gently than that prophesied in the foregoing pages. This depends, however, more upon the development of the proletariat than upon that of the bourgeoisie. In proportion, as the proletariat absorbs socialistic and communistic elements, will the revolution diminish in bloodshed, revenge, and savagery. Communism stands, in principle, above the breach between bourgeoisie and proletariat, recognises only its historic significance for the present, but not its justification for the future: wishes, indeed, to bridge over this chasm, to do away with all class antagonisms Hence it recognises as justified, so long as the struggle exists, the exasperation of the proletariat towards its oppressors as a necessity, as the most important lever for a labour movement just beginning; but it goes beyond this exasperation, because Communism is a question of humanity and not of the workers alone. Besides, it does not occur to any Communist to wish to revenge himself upon individuals, or to believe that, in general, the single bourgeois can act otherwise, under existing circumstances, than he does act. English Socialism, i.e., Communism, rests directly upon the irresponsibility of the individual. Thus the more the English workers absorb communistic ideas, the more superfluous becomes their present bitterness, which, should it continue so violent as at present, could accomplish nothing; and the more their action against the bourgeoisie will lose its savage cruelty. If, indeed, it were possible to make the whole proletariat communistic before the war breaks out, the end would be very peaceful; but that is no longer possible, the time has gone by. Meanwhile, I think that before the outbreak of open, declared war of the poor against the rich, there will be enough intelligent comprehension of the social question among the proletariat, to enable the communistic party, with the help of events, to conquer the brutal element of the revolution and prevent a "Ninth Thermidor". In any case, the experience of the French will not have been undergone in vain, and most of the Chartist leaders are, moreover, already Communists. And as Communism stands above the strife between bourgeoisie and proletariat, it will be easier for the better elements of the bourgeoisie (which are, however, deplorably few, and can look for recruits only among the rising generation) to unite with it than with purely proletarian Chartism. >>728209You are wrong. The social fascist imperialists scammed everyone. In 1960, imperialist russia scammed China the final time
Cuba was controlled by the social fascists so cuba sided with them in sino soviet split. By sending excess gain to cuba, China would have only aided social fascist's imperialism and their control over cuba. It makes zero sense for Communist China to aid the hostile imperialists, so you are totally wrong.
he wasn't getting his balls DRAINED the day he wrote this
>>728213Couldnt he do it himself?
>>728211>You are wrong. The social fascist imperialists scammed everyone. In 1960, imperialist russia scammed China the final timeI was mostly joking, I do think that Fidel was too harsh on China until the collapse of the USSR. I mostly just posted that because Mao’s quote was objectively awful but I still think that the Sino-Soviet split was more nuanced. Although I think that it’s stupid to call the Soviet Union “Social-Fascist” they very much where a Social-Imperialist power that very much did cross the line from defending themselves from encirclement to trying to police the world. But at the Same time China’s actions during the Sino-Soviet split were also pretty bad such as the Cultural Revolution, personality cults, supporting Pol Pot, and invading Vietnam after they got rid of Pol Pot.
>>728216China did nothing wrong. The fight against social imperialism was justified an all those fronts. The social fascists could have ended the blockade in 1962 but they were bribed by the imperialists so Fidel was just dick riding
>>728218MLM is an even more masochistic ideology than Trotskyism. You people are obsessed with losing and self destruction all in the name of purity.
>>728216>the Cultural Revolution, personality cults, supporting Pol Pot, and invading Vietnam after they got rid of Pol Pot.you have not mentioned a single bad thing among these
>>728219The social fascist union collapsed decades ago. So why you still riding their dick? Even the cubans didnt take the social fascist cock from ass and publish guevarra's notes until 15 years after social fascist union collapsed. Was guevarra a trotskyite? Of course not. He just took the dick out of his ass
>>728242>Great Leap ForwardComplete failure
>the Cultural RevolutionComplete failure
>personality cultsDeng kept this out of respect.
>supporting Pol Pot,Conplete failure
>and invading Vietnam after they got rid of Pol Pot.Lost the war
Mao was a great revolutionary leader but after the revolution he failed at every project he tried to accomplish.
>>728216>Social-Imperialist power that very much did cross the line from defending themselves from encirclement to trying to police the world. This would have been based. China should have been a Soviet republic and part of USSR.
>>728297This. Bordiga was also right that international communist parties should be in charge of communist nations. Nationalism has always been a bane and a cancer to communism.
>>728296You are totally wrong.
>Great Leap ForwardComplete success. China's industrialization is greatest even then surpassing social fascist imperialist russia
>the Cultural RevolutionComplete success. The soviet dick riders fled by plane
>supporting Pol Pot,A CORRECT AND NECESSARY ANTI-REVISIONIST POLICY.The Pol Pot government in Kampuchea was the legitimate government that overthrew the U.S. puppet regime of Lon Nol. China's support was for national sovereignty against imperialist domination. Any percieved "errors" of the Pol Pot leadership are a separate matter from the principle of supporting a nation's right to self-determination free from Soviet social-imperialist or AmeriKKKan control.
>and invading Vietnam after they got rid of Pol Pot.wasnt a war or invasion. It was a battle of third-world against social fascism, Communist China and the third-world by limited defensive engagement against social fascist encirclement. Social fascist russia is dead so victory was achieved.
The social fascists may have won a few battles, but they lost the war. The whole world is free from revisionist capitalist fascist social imperialism
>>728317Pol Pot was a Kissinger puppet who killed millions of people. And personality Cults down work.
He's right though. Liberals btfo
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>>728324>Pol Pot was a Kissinger puppet who killed millions of people.stop consooming revisionist propaganda. kissinger killed those millions of people by himself with the carpet bombings of whole mainland southeast asia sans thailand
>And personality Cults down work.neither does the great man theory
>>728205replace "prostitute" by "movie actress 20 years younger than me" and it's accurate
>>728324>POL POT killed millions of people!!! :(Oh shut the fuck up moron. You wouldn't say this about Stalin and Mao. Why fall for liberal propaganda against the tragic revolutionary Pol Pot?
God I hate people who can't think for themselves.
>>730419
>Pol Pot who was a Kissinger Puppet based on their ethnicity.
how exactly?
>>730422Sorry I meant to say “Pol Pot who was a Kissinger Puppet who killed people based on their ethnicity” I missed spelled that
>>730423>killed people based on their ethnicitythis isn't even true, the vast majority of the victims are of the same ethnicity as the higher ups [Khmer] and were killed on political grounds
<inb4 Chamskilled because most were muslim, along with everyone religious, including Khmer Buddhists. the harshest islamophobic policies of the KR were enacted by ex-muslim cham cadres, including the turning of mosques into pig pens
>Kissinger Puppethow? this man bombed (authorized the carpet bombing of) southeast asia to prevent communism from taking power in SEA through targeting the Ho Chi Minh + Sihanouk trails supplying Vietnamese communists. HCM trail goes through Laos and Cambodia and the Sihanouk trail is through Cambodia only
>>>/leftypol/2558391Lon Nol is an actual anti-communist Kissinger/CIA/US puppet taking power in an illegal coup in 1971 and proclaiming a fascist "Khmer Republic" state. btw he executed vietmamese people in cambodia based on their ethnicity, but no one wants to talk about this ;-;
>>728205What is there to say if I can only read if a femboy or futa drains their balls in me?
>>730427>how? this man bombed (authorized the carpet bombing of) southeast asiaI don’t know what puppet was the right word, call him an asset, vassal, pawn, whatever! He wasn’t a puppet in the same way that Pinochet was but he was supported by the US when he was in power because he received 85 million bucks from the US during his genocide.
>this isn't even true, the vast majority of the victims are of the same ethnicity as the higher ups [Khmer] and were killed on political groundsYeah I know that he mostly killed his own people but then why are you defending him?
>killed because most were muslimYeah that’s a bad thing! you can’t justify killing people because of their religion no matter what religion it is.
> the harshest islamophobic policies of the KR were enacted by ex-muslim cham cadresYou sound like one of those people who always talks about “Black on black crime!” Also you admitted that they were Ex-Muslim.
The fact is that even if Pol Pot wasn’t on Kissinger’s payroll he would still be bad because he killed 1.2–2.8 million people for no good reason.
>>730579>he killed 1.2–2.8 million people for no good reason.Hysterical anticommunist propaganda. Do you also believe that Stalin killed 20 million of his own people and Mao did the same for 60 million?
>>730579The only Cambodian genocide was the one committed by American bombs.
>>730601>Hysterical anticommunist propaganda. Do you also believe that Stalin killed 20 million of his own people and Mao did the same for 60 million?No but they definitely killed more than you believe. But the difference between those two and Pol Pot is that most of the deaths under Mao where either unintentional or understandable, he did not intend to starve all of those people but that was just what happened due to rapid collectivization and it was understandable why he would execute all of those landlords even if I oppose the death penalty. And as regards for Stalin it’s also mostly the same unintentional or understandable such as the great Soviet famine and Dekulakization however he did do some completely unnecessary, intentional, and not understandable things such as the Holodomor, Repression, and ethnic deportations although I still think it’s outrageous to conflate these with the Holocaust, but at the same time what helps his legacy is some good he did such as defeating Nazi Germany and industrializing the USSR. Thats my assessment of them. But none of the good I mentioned was done by Pol Pot and it’s completely dumb to defend him and side with him over Vietnam. And it’s also reckless to deny the evil he did just because you think it makes communism look bad, then you look like the left-wing version of one of those Neocons that deny the Guatemalan genocide.
>>730579>he was supported by the US when he was in power because he received 85 million bucks from the US during his genocide.please show me the source of this claim. DK recieved DDT from the US for fighting malaria but this doesn't translate to money
>>730636>ngmiDude there is no reason to deny the Holodomor, I wouldn’t classify it as a genocide definitionally and I think it’s outrageous when liberals compare and equate it to the holocaust but there is no denying that it was intentional and man-made. Denying these things and offering unconditional blind support to the people who did these things will only make you look like a zealot to outsiders and you will never be able to radicalize any normie.
>>730635>please show me the source of this claim. DK recieved DDT from the US for fighting malaria but this doesn't translate to moneyHere, is this liberal propaganda too?
https://cup.columbia.edu/book/facing-death-in-cambodia/9780231509398/ >>730646Why do you put Che as your flag if you're a complete bleeding heart? He proudly wanted to drop a nuclear bomb on NYC.
>>730720Yeah but did he? Or was he just spit balling ideas during the Cuban missile crisis?
>>730647nothing except a book summary and a few reviews
>add book to cartpaywall, i'll have to look for the pdf myself i suppose then. could you at least please provide the page number of that specific claim?
bump
>>730662funny thing is that
>>730629 acknowledges dekulakization as necessary
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