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oh yeah? under communism all will be equal in worth? then how would communism deal with lookism? years ago looksmaxxing communities used to try and improve their attractivness, but at this point Looksmaxxing hasn't become about grooming and skincare anymore, it's more about affording surgeries, self-hate, body shaming and even blaming your parents for their "Bad Genes" that rendered you ugly and assymetrical and badjaw shape or height. The Worst type of maxxing currently.

will this shit about lookism still exist in an egalitarian society?

Yes, in fact as socio-economical differences disappear, physical differences became more salient.

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Communism will make the blind see, the cripples walk, the old young, the dwarfs into giants.

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This why communist movements will never exist in the west. You try to explain communism to a westerner and they're like:
>Well will communism get me a girlfriend? If you won't give me a girlfriend, I won't join!
Wow what a loss. Your credentials are you a friendless loser that nobody wants to associate with and you think you have some kind of bargaining power?

Gamergate and it's consequences have been a disaster for Western civilization.

lookism is the antithesis to capitalism

under capitalism the man gets access women by hoarding resources, under lookism the man gets access to women by being blessed physically.

having women select mates based on aesthetics instead of resources makes life objectively better for everyone, men are less incentivized to alienate themselves from their fellow men by creating class divides in order to attract women, in capitalism exploiters get rewarded with sex, but social media is changing this trend, now exploiters are getting less sex than before and normal men who look good get more, this is a good thing.

chads will end capitalism.

>>732584
It actually will.
Activists are having sex all the time, that's why a lot of them get involved.


>>732581
>oh yeah? under communism all will be equal in worth?

You've made up this first statement in the first place which you built the entire text on.

'The worth' of an object outside the man captured by him is particularly a worth presented to his being, in other words it is subjective. Someone's dearest is a random person for the another.

From the first section of capital vol 1 https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm

>A commodity is, in the first place, an object outside us, a thing that by its properties satisfies human wants of some sort or another. The nature of such wants, whether, for instance, they spring from the stomach or from fancy, makes no difference.


Footnote 2,
>“Desire implies want, it is the appetite of the mind, and as natural as hunger to the body… The greatest number (of things) have their value from supplying the wants of the mind.” Nicholas Barbon: “A Discourse Concerning Coining the New Money Lighter. In Answer to Mr. Locke’s Considerations, &c.”, London, 1696, pp. 2, 3.

>Neither are we here concerned to know how the object satisfies these wants, whether directly as means of subsistence, or indirectly as means of production.

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>>732581
Liberal Professor Mr. Tugan-Baranovsky is on the war path against socialism. This time he has approached the question, not from the political and economic angle, but from that of an abstract discussion on equality (perhaps the professor thought such an abstract discussion more suitable for the religious and philosophical gatherings which he has addressed?).

“If we take socialism, not as an economic theory, but as a living ideal,” Mr. Tugan declared, “then, undoubtedly, it is associated with the ideal of equality, but equality is a concept … that cannot be deduced from experience and reason.”

This is the reasoning of a liberal scholar who repeats the incredibly trite and threadbare argument that experience and reason clearly prove that men are not equal, yet socialism bases its ideal on equality. Hence, socialism, if you please, is an absurdity which is contrary to experience and reason, and so forth!

Mr. Tugan repeats the old trick of the reactionaries: first to misinterpret socialism by making it out to be an absurdity, and then to triumphantly refute the absurdity! When we say that experience and reason prove that men are not equal, we mean by equality, equality in abilities or similarity in physical strength and mental ability.

It goes without saying that in this respect men are not equal. No sensible person and no socialist forgets this. But this kind of equality has nothing whatever to do with socialism. If Mr. Tugan is quite unable to think, he is at least able to read; were lie to Lake the well-known work of one of the founders of scientific socialism, Frederick Engels, directed against Dühring, he would find there a special section explaining the absurdity of imagining that economic equality means anything else than the abolition of classes. But when professors set out to refute socialism, one never knows what to wonder at most—their stupidity, their ignorance, or their unscrupulousness.

Since we have Mr. Tugan to deal with, we shall have to start with the rudiments.

By political equality Social-Democrats mean equal rights, and by economic equality, as we have already said, they mean the abolition of classes. As for establishing human equality in the sense of equality of strength and abilities (physical and mental), socialists do not even think of such things.

Political equality is a demand for equal political rights for all citizens of a country who have reached, a certain age and who do not suffer from either ordinary or liberal-professorial feeble-mindedness. This demand was first advanced, not by the socialists, not by the proletariat, but by the bourgeoisie. The well-known historical experience of all countries of the world proves this, and Mr. Tugan could easily have discovered this had he not called “experience” to witness solely in order to dupe students and workers, and please the powers that be by “abolishing” socialism.

The bourgeoisie put forward the demand for equal rights for all citizens in the struggle against medieval, feudal, serf-owner and caste privileges. In Russia, for example, unlike America, Switzerland and other countries, the privileges of the nobility are preserved to this day in all spheres of political life, in elections to the Council of State, in elections to the Duma, in municipal administration, in taxation, and many other things.

Even the most dull-witted and ignorant person can grasp the fact that individual members of the nobility are not equal in physical and mental abilities any more than are people belonging to the “tax-paying”, “base”, ‘low-born” or “non-privileged” peasant class. But in rights all nobles are equal, just as all the peasants are equal in their lack of rights.

Does our learned liberal Professor Tugan now under stand the difference between equality in the sense of equal rights, and equality in the sense of equal strength and abilities?

We shall now deal with economic equality. In the United States of America, as in other advanced countries, there are no medieval privileges. All citizens, are equal in political rights. But are they equal as regards their position in social production?

No, Mr. Tugan, they are not. Some own land, factories and capital and live on the unpaid labour of the workers; these form an insignificant minority. Others, namely, the vast mass of the population, own no means of production and live only by selling their labour-power; these are proletarians.

In the United States of America there is no aristocracy, and the bourgeoisie and the proletariat enjoy equal political rights. But they are not equal in class status: one class, the capitalists, own the means of production and live on the unpaid labour of the workers. The other class, the wage-workers, the proletariat, own no means of production and live by selling their labour-power in the market.

The abolition of classes means placing all citizens on an equal footing with regard to the means of production belonging to society as a whole. It means giving all citizens equal opportunities of working on the publicly-owned means of production, on the publicly-owned land, at the publicly-owned factories, and so forth.

This explanation of socialism has been necessary to enlighten our learned liberal professor, Mr. Tugan, who may, if he tries hard, now grasp the fact that it is absurd to expect equality of strength and abilities in socialist society.

In brief, when socialists speak of equality they always mean social equality, equality of social status, and not by any means the physical and mental equality of individuals.

The puzzled reader may ask: how could a learned liberal professor have forgotten these elementary axioms familiar to anybody who has read any exposition of the views of socialism? The answer is simple: the personal qualities of present-day professors are such that we may find among them even exceptionally stupid people like Tugan. But the social status of professors in bourgeois society is such that only those are allowed to hold such posts who sell science to serve the interests of capital, and agree to utter the most fatuous nonsense, the most unscrupulous drivel and twaddle against the socialists. The bourgeoisie will forgive the professors all this as long as they go on “abolishing” socialism.

Communism is not about pedantically equalizing people in every regard, but abolishing class society, which equalizes people in some regards that are arguably the most important. If you ask me, people like you should be condemned to work in gulags until they snap out of their shallow, vain inferiority complex.

>>732581
Communism will have the best cosmetic techniques available for everyone, eventually working towards a world where everyone can edit their own appearance to look like whatever they want

Communist Albania didn't have prostitution, yet they also had no incel meltdowns, meaning that all men got drained and all women squirted.

>>732581
>then how would communism deal with lookism?
Force everyone wear masks or even better genetically modificate everyone into a 195cm Chad.

>>732581
"Lookism" is easily solved by just making yourself less of a "lookist." This is the reason for dating "leagues." Just look for someone in your league. If the hot people you're chasing show absolutely no interest in you, try people who are less and less attractive until you get responses. That's your "league."

>But muh hypergamy cock carousel blah blah blah

Even if that's real, enforced monogamy like we have in every fucking country on this planet solves this.

Plastic surgery will be freely available for everyone and attractive people will sign up to get their nooses a little bit crooked because where perfection is commonplace, the imperfect will be seen as an exciting luxury.

>body shaming and even blaming your parents for their "Bad Genes" that rendered you ugly and assymetrical and badjaw shape or height. The Worst type of maxxing currently.


Historically, children were shamed by their parents for not turning out physiognomically correct

>>732637
This.
The real problem to poor self-image is the fact that people cannot choose their physiognomy.
It's not a matter of being ugly.

If we had the power to alter our physical appearances according to our whims, ugliness would be a choice, which will mean less depression over body image.

Social media is over blamed for juvenile mental illness in this regard.

>>732635
Irony is, your suggestion would re-inforce their complex

>>732803
>because where perfection is commonplace, the imperfect will be seen as an exciting luxury.

now im just imagining a society where a girl chooses an average dude or an ugly because everyone else is a glowed up 195cm plastic chad and it feels identical

or a guy choosing the basic girl with some ugliness over all the 10/10 plastic hot girls

>>732803
This.
It's the only reason why punk existed in the first place

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>>732635
>you have an made-up shallow inferiority complex

>so we're sending you to the place where all undesirable people go


i don't think that will proof to him he's fine and its all in his head if we send him to inferior people jail, it will just make him believe he IS a faulty human and eveyone hate him

i say make oraginzed facial support to all men who feel they look weak ugly and inadequate

FEED THEM THE YOGURT, FEED THEM THE MEAT, MAKE EVERYONE INTO CHADS AND FEMBOYS

>>732836
>It's the only reason why punk existed in the first place
wait what?

>>732841
Yea.
Punk started originally as a reaction against the "pompousness" of rock music as it evolved into psychedelic, glam, folk, and progressive.

>>732803
thermonvclear trvkenvk

>>732839
Unfortunately my parents believed in 1970s low fat diet bullshit.

>>733092
bruh im sorry for your problem, it could be worse, you could be raised on low quality powdered milk, not the good stuff or milk from the booba, third rate powdered milk

hell it could be worse you could be one of the kids in vietnam agent oranged by burgerstan

Surgeries become more affordable I guess

the concept of "high brow" art being good explicitly refers to skull shapes, remarkable how so much of contemporary bourgeois neoliberal culture is the same old degenerate Victorian British pedo ideology (Jeffrey Epstein was a eugenics guy given a private office in Harvard, and was close friends with his British counterpart of deep state Zionist blackmail agent btw)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book)
>As a social critique of the judgements of taste, Distinction (1979) proposes that people with much cultural capital — education and intellect, style of speech and style of dress, etc. — participate in determining what distinct aesthetic values constitute good taste within their society. Circumstantially, people with less cultural capital accept as natural and legitimate that ruling-class definition of taste, the consequent distinctions between high culture and low culture, and their restrictions upon the social conversion of the types of economic capital, social capital, and cultural capital.
>The social inequality created by the limitations of their habitus (mental attitudes, personal habits, and skills) renders people with little cultural capital the social inferiors of the ruling class. Because they lack the superior education (cultural knowledge) needed to describe, appreciate, and enjoy the aesthetics of a work of art, 'working-class people expect objects to fulfil a function' as practical entertainment and mental diversion, whilst middle-class and upper-class people passively enjoy an objet d'art as a work of art, by way of the gaze of aesthetic appreciation.[2]
>The acceptance of socially dominant forms of taste is a type of symbolic violence between social classes, made manifest in the power differential that allows the ruling class to define, impose, and endorse norms of good taste upon all of society.[3] Hence, the naturalization of the distinction of taste and its misrepresentation as socially necessary, deny the dominated classes the cultural capital with which to define their own world. Moreover, despite the dominated classes producing their own definitions of good taste and of bad taste, "the working-class 'aesthetic' is a dominated aesthetic, which is constantly obliged to define itself in [the] terms of the dominant aesthetics" of the ruling class

in capitalism you are broke, overworked and ugly, in communism you will only be ugly.

take your pick.

>>732803
i don't really believe this when art has existed for so long and many people use it expressly for the purpose of creating their ideal person. look at anime, practically everything in anime is idealized yet there's still an infinite number of variations to be made. abolishing ugly features will not make people want ugliness again, they will just become more creative now that you can look any way you want. though i suppose some people might be into ugly people though.

>>733153
This is what I feel as well. Ugly is ugly, you can have a diversity of looks while not having ugly people around. Imagine how much easier life woukd be if you and everyone else was attractive.

>>733167
but then its not just gene lottery at birth, if we removed that there's life itself, people can uglify by trauma, you have people who survived accidents, leprocy, skin conditions, agent orange, or warscars, and i don't mean a sexy cheek scar i mean getting napalmed

if only humans can always be aesthetical

>>733168
That's why body autonomy includes medically assisted suicide.

>>733153
I mean we have limited body mods nowadays and yet some people paid to have more bones stretch their faces and then add 20 massive piercings,and those mf look ugly as shit.
There probably will be a freak minority even with better tech.

>>732839
Wasn't there a meme about how Romans were midgets fighting against barbarian giants (5'10).

The biggest plaintiffs of lookism are often the biggest practitioners of lookism.
And those people are the average looking people.

Theres a common miscommunication that good looking people are inherently narcissistic and dumb and zero-imagination.
Yet, if said good looking people were ugly, they're looked down upon as lazy, dumb, creepy, and weak.

And the people who promote these stereotypes are jealous average looking people.

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- We are against equality

- No pussy under communism? Get gud or kys

>>732839
Modernbros how do we compete…

most incels can get a fat gf but they are too embarassed to do it, you expect other people not to be superficial but you are superficial too.

>>733217
Theres evidence that drafted 16 year olds in the Napoleonic wars were 5'1 on average, so if I had to guess the battled in antiquity were more of a 4'1 legionary vs 4'3 barbarian fight

>>733296
How fat are we talking about? But yea I would be a little embarrassed but I do prefer thicker women. However I think I have other issues other than just being embarrassed that would make a bad partner. I don't think I would put a fat girl through whatever my issues are.

>>733296
>most incels can get a fat gf
They could get decent looking gfs. The thing is that most of them are so disconnected with the real world that they tend to have unreal expectations, which I suspect mostly created by porn.
That combined with the very common entitlement feeling among them.

There will be chads and incels under communism. Communism is not the end of history but rather the beginning of the struggle for life of human species proper. There might be eugenics even. Dont be an utopian.

>>732581
Communism is not a paradise where you will get to mating press big booba women. Just convert to Islam if you want sex. Islam promises 72 virgins. Communists only promise struggle and hardship and demand sacrifice that wont be rewarded. In Islam you die a martyr and get sexo. In communism you die nameless and unrewarded.


>>733329
>Communists only promise struggle and hardship and demand sacrifice that wont be rewarded
Whoa… just like capitalists

Incels should convert to Islam. Islam promises sexo. Not even Christianity promises sexo.

Under communism incels will be indoctrinated into islam to keep them content.

>>733327
It's not porn.
It's actually romance stories that's poisoning their brain.
But yea, its entitlement.

>>733462
>>733327
They arent any more entitled than others.

>>733329
I don't want to pay rent, 40 hours a week is a joke, and I love cold weather. So good enough even if I don't get laid.

>>733610
Of course not. Like I said, alot of the incel discourse are patronizers who think they're better than "incels" until all until they encounter a personal snag themselves and start spewing out vitriolic remarks

>waaaah why no care about incels waaah!
Because… incels are not proletariat since they dont have children. Proletariat means "those who's wealth is their childres" since "proles" means children.

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>>733784
so true

stupid ugly people who are always incels since ugly = incel without kids, when will they learn they arent proles

>>734109
Yet, children are the scapegoat of all of societys problems.

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>lmao uglies are not opres-

>>735059
They should just make all ugly people wear masks or work away from the public

>>733696
see: reddit inceltears meetup vs incel forum meetup
>>733329
Not really, the struggle and hardship was always supposed to be for a promised better future where labor time was drastically reduced via automation and people were as socially liberated as they could realistically be. Not sure if youre an anti communist doing the on paper vs in practice bit or another retarded stakhanovite-fetishist

>>735127
>Not really, the struggle and hardship was always supposed to be for a promised better future where labor time was drastically reduced via automation and people were as socially liberated as they could realistically be.
Not them but this doesn't mean the conditions under communism will mean someone will inherently get a GF if they want one.

Just that social conditions will be one where it wont matter if someone has a GF or not. Wanting a GF inherently is just entitlement and part of the patriarchal system that communism is trying to do away with and for good reason.

>>735132
Oh yeah I don't disagree, if anything it will make it worse because there is no way for someone who lost the genetic lottery to compensate.

>Wanting a GF inherently is just entitlement and part of the patriarchal system that communism is trying to do away with and for good reason.

This is stupid though.

>>735137
>This is stupid though.
Why? having a significant other shouldn't be a factor into someone being happy or not and the only reason it's even a big issue in society is because of patriarchal norms pushing the idea that if you want to be a true man or successful human being then you should "have" a partner. Its a patriarchal power structure that not only harms women but makes men miserable by proxy if they can't "compensate".

>>735187
This.
Romantic relationships are treated like buying a new car


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