idk why but a pattern I see a lot in my personal life is that
>people with late autism diagnosis
completely flip their behavior after the diagnosis. they stop masking altogether. they will start wearing sunglasses indoors, and will rather walk 10km instead of going in a loud crowded bus, and stop entertaining social games. if people get weirded out by the tism they just shrug and end the conversation.
meanwhile
>people with late adhd diagnosis
get this notion that their symptoms are not merely preferences or a personality thing and that it is a burden that ought to be purged. they get this drive to become "normal" no matter what, whatever it costs. they will grit their teeth, bite their lip, and jump through hoops to mimic neurotypicals. the self-hatred is insane
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Can't ADHD people just take drugs to get fixed?
>>736013>if people get weirded out by the tism they just shrug and end the conversationno they cry about it online and make seething posts about "normies" lol
>>736015it doesn't really fix you. it makes you less physically hyperactive, more emotionally stable, and better at focusing at what you want, but all of the other oddities persist (time blindness, perseveration, some social stuff etc)
because adhd is a literal curse. autists can still be accomplished and become mathematicians or scientists, but if you have adhd youre basically doomed to always be useless and through no fault of your own, but normies will still see you as lazy
>>736017i will insert my cock in your ass.
>>736048“laziness” is just a stupid term invented by american normie neurotypicals and rich people who exploit minorities who expects us to work our asses off harder
>>736048adhd is a normiecore disorder, it is nothing like autism
im late diagnosed comorbid and im the worlds most laughable centrist. favorable to both the autism is my superpower auDHD pseudo-"nationalism" and yet painfully aware of my desire to blend in w the normies and still failing. kill psychiatry
>>736048>autists can still be accomplished and become mathematicians or scientistsI'm an autist and I'm ass at all that brainy science shit. All this lousy neurodivergence left me with is an obsession with angsty cartoons in fact I only clicked this shit because I thought it was a TADC thread. I don't even have artistic talent nobody likes my art and I can't do the stereotypical autist hyperfocus thing in which I become super good at a skill, instead I get burnout badly whenever I put serious effort into anything. Both autism and ADHD are disabilities that give you basically zero advantages unless you happen to be one of the lucky ones whose neurodivergence manifests as "my special autistic interest manifests as being obsessed science and mathematics and I'm immune to tiredness OH I'M VERY SUCCESFUL WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT UWU".
And even though most media will try to convince you that the average autist is some Sherlock Holmes super genius the truth is that most of us are just lame suckers that get tired from everything and our special interests 99% of the time are just some stupid ass cartoon or franchise for children.
neurodivergents be shopping
>>736463This,this,this
The whole portrayals of autism as super geniuses are copium for autistic adults or parents of autistic children
Even if autism granted you superintellectual powers, it means nothing because your executive functions are lacking
>>736463this except for me its honkai star rail. the story's mediocre but writers be theme farming and the aesthetic and lore matches my past interests just right. i like drawing but i like playing games more and im trying to grapple w the desire that wanting to get better at art means i wont be able to play games as much anymore. sigh.
>>736454>>736461Maybe maybe not, but i was early diagnosed and I've been weird as shit and unable to hold a job for more than a year the whole damn time. I don't have any social issues, but if you knew me you'd think i had early onset alzheimers. Dude my brain is literally amaller than it should be
>>736472I too suffer from this problem.
Autism is a sign that God has cursed us.
A child born with leukemia dying gracefully at fifteen has a better fate.
>>736491Bro that’s so dumb.
The fact is people who are diagnosed with autism or god forbid self diagnose. give themselves a pass to automatically make it their personality and obnoxious about it.
Like ya you think different, just accept that and just try to meet people half way.
It’s so fucking easy. Unless you are the mute low functioning or just not intelligent enough to even try.
>>736494of course theyd make it their personality its like finally breathing right after 20 years
>>736507>act like x all your life without calling it x>just finding out it has a name is somehow some life changing thinglol do midwits really
>>736507Being diagnosed doesn’t change anything about them tho. They can just feel better knowing that it wasn’t that they didn’t try hard enough.
They are still people and if possible try to reasonable act in a way that doesn’t make socialization harder than before.
People say I have autism all the time but I don’t lean into it if I want to succeed at making friends or stuff like that.
Not that I would ever willingly be diagnosed.
>>736494>>736507Of course you'd say that because you never had to deal with it.
You assume that artists always wanna make their disability their "entire personality" and "don't meet halfway".
As if though struggling to keep up in fast paced dead end jobs is "not compromising".
As if though masking in public and preferring solitude for convenience is "willful spite".
>>736531Psychology in general is just narcissists who think they solved the puzzle.
It's especially peculiar that some people suggest making psychology a mandatory subject for school.
>>736536Being a barista or McDonald’s employee is not the bane of existence. If you don’t like people because you can’t relate to them isn’t their problem or societies. It’s your own.
Struggle to overcome or be crushed, that is nature in its purest function.
Maybe you are just being genetically filtered.
>>736543>Being a barista or McDonald’s employee is not the bane of existenceThat's funny because people talk about work like it's a curse.
>If you don’t like people because you can’t relate to them isn’t their problem or societies. It’s your own.And that's funny as well because that's how this image board operates:
"Cannot relate therefore you're bourg".
By your logic, capitalism isn't the problem, but rather that leftists are just lazy weak willed bastards.
>Struggle to overcome or be crushed, that is nature in its purest function. Maybe you are just being genetically filtered.Yet, if I suggest that people with developmental disorders be sterilized, that's called fascism.
>>736545>leftists are just lazy weak willed bastards.I do believe the most popular bad examples of leftists fit this description.
There is naturally a big overlap between people who don’t want to do anything and get free shit and the idea of communism in general.
Though leftist thought isn’t bad if done for the sake of bettering society as a whole and not for the goal of no work ever again, free shit, make sure no one has more than me because they put effort into it.
More like, make sure you get fairly compensated in a work relationship for your labor.
Autism isn't really a bad thing, it's whatever. But with ADHD it really inteferes with your day to day life and it is likely you won't be able to keep a job or do much. With ADHD it is a struggle daily to accomplish even small tasks, if I did not have such ideological conviction I would just give up.
>>736570The first sentence is the only thing you said wrong.
>>736512>>736509i disagree because its not even diagnosing them that causes the "personality" that you guys are complaining about. acting like a doctor gives the magic cure for them to be "annoying". its about finally finding people with similar struggles and having an identity and being able to connect with people. funny how pick me autistics mad at self diagnosers for finding community call the "cringy" ones narcissistic. somehow autistic and picked up the worst tendency of neurotypicals to bootlick. have you guys never vented about something in your life? calm down comrade chillll :)
>>736013People with ADHD are all bullies. Autistic people should inherit the world.
>>736613I am not autistic, to my knowledge. All my haters simply don’t shine as bright as me.
Anyway the whole concept of “finding an identity” is ridiculous. People already possess identities that define them. The idea that autism becomes or is discovered as an identity is essentially making it a prominent part of their personality.
This itself is extremely obnoxious. Being autistic, provided you aren’t an invalid, doesn’t excuse behavior or any such nonsense. It just means it’s a reason people may have problems adjusting to doing basic tasks.
The whole classification becoming prominent creates a sense of otherness that in any other time would simply have someone being seen as whimsical or just odd. This is why I would never allow myself to be diagnosed if it was the case. Autistic people are just as capable to follow the rules as normals.
Autistic people can and should just work in the parameters of society as best they can, not abandon any attempt at working within it because “well I’m autistic so I’m so neurotic-divergent and unique tee hee, sorry I can’t be expected to try to do basic social interaction.”
In a country where those who don’t work, don’t eat, autistic people who choose to lean into being different would probably be beat regularly.
>>736494>It’s so fucking easy.It's not. Masking take a lot of energy and autistic people are constantly burned out from it. What you perceive as making "It their personality" is just masking a bit less. It's what they are told to do to ease some of the constant suffering. It's meeting your half-way, instead of going all the way as they used to before the diagnosis. How can you say they are not meeting you half-way? Just shut the fuck up.
>>736651The problem is that autistic children are treated the same as neurotypical kids in terms of social milestones, such as getting a gf, getting your first after school job, etc
iMO, autistic kids should have technical skill training. This whole academia or bust route isn't really the best
>>736557>Though leftist thought isn’t bad if done for the sake of bettering society as a whole and not for the goal of no work ever again, free shit, make sure no one has more than me because they put effort into it.Unfortunately, Leftypol thinks that leftism means "abolishing work forever, only academia".
>>736746>society should take autistic kids and turn them into mentatsfucking lmfao
>>736746The solution is not creating a caste system based on difficult to define mental traits, communism is opposed to all of these caste shit.
>>736677Think you’re just being a crybaby.
Doing basic social interaction is not hard.
Maybe it is if you’ve been too sheltered and privileged to of had harder life experiences to compare too.
I have begun to feel hatred and contempt for the autistic community.
>>736761Since you have already said that you are not autistic, how can you tell what is hard for them? Their bodies work differently from yours. What is easy to you can be excruciatingly difficult to them. They are different. Why is this so hard to accept? It's like telling a quadriplegic that walking is easy because everyone can just do it and using a wheelchair makes them pampered babies, they just need to stand up. They have legs why can't they use them?
>>736730No one said this. Are you retarded
>>736764nta, but I also think there are far too many unsocialized people that are otherwise neurotypical calling themselves "autistic" when autism is not just simply a personality quirk.
>>736777>several posts treating autism like it makes you a special boy but uhhhhhh nobody literally typed the exact words "autism is my superpower"and people say this shit isnt a mental handicap lmao!
>>736761Call me back when you have autism since birth and have a hard time processing things said to you or executing tasks.
>>736780This.
Autism is a neurocognitive/motor disorder. Not only that, autism also has an immunological disorder as well.
Alot of these neurotypicals who think it's a personality quirk have no idea.
>>736783It's the sympathisers who say it's not a disorder. Most autistic people will not hesitate to state that it is.
>>736763This. But unfortunately, that will never happen. Neurotypicals bully each other. So the only solution is to have a separate ed system.
>>736758Forced sociodiversity is bad for schooling
>>736764It's ok, people like
>>736761 will never understand unless it happens to them.
Somethings can only be understood when it's actually experienced.
Autism is one of those things.
>>736764>>736801>>736802Autism isn’t a modern issue.
If humans have dealt with it through all of history, then in turn modern soft and fragile autists too can and WILL deal with it.
No special treatment. Those who don’t work don’t eat. If it is found that people with autism really aren’t capable of functioning in a well organized society then why should that society support them or allow them within it.
Useless eaters must not become a coddled privileged minority.
Perhaps its best to use designer babies and monitoring of developing babies to ensure society doesn’t suffer at the individuals leisure.
>>736831You're just an asshole and possibly a troll. Got it
>>736835Not an argument sweety
>>736802They do not need to understand it. It is enough to accept it. I really don't understand why people get hung up on it so much.
>>736845Who're you quoting?
>>736876The source is ambiguous, I think it’s popularly attributed to Vladimir Lenin’s unpublished work.
>>736880He must've been on soviet crack, probably better his more fever dream inspired work didn't get attention.
>>736831>If humans have dealt with it through all of history, then in turn modern soft and fragile autists too can and WILL deal with itArtists were killed or left to starve.
Same for victims of down syndrome and schizophrenia.
Nowadays, we are more humane.
And yet, you claim right wingers are anti-social genociders.
>No special treatment. Those who don’t work don’t eat. If it is found that people with autism really aren’t capable of functioning in a well organized society then why should that society support them or allow them within it. >Useless eaters must not become a coddled privileged minority. >Perhaps its best to use designer babies and monitoring of developing babies to ensure society doesn’t suffer at the individuals leisure.Yet, people think child labor is satanic despite saying shit like this
>>736903Damn….you’re telling that people…suffer!
It’s almost like radical political change requires violence and brutality to be accomplished….
Guys…artists, ARTIST…had it bad!
Oh geez what are we gonna do, the people who draw and paint for a living were hurt. Anyway go back to the collective farm and get the quotas met.
As for children realistically they should be in school until they either go into trades or are academically accomplished enough for a different job. They WILL socialize and they WILL contribute to society.
>>736925I meant to say autist, not artist.
Fucking hate autocorrect.
As for this:
>As for children realistically they should be in school until they either go into trades or are academically accomplished enough for a different job. They WILL socialize and they WILL contribute to society.Schools already do socialization to children. But, it's mostly forced sterilized socialization, such as mandatory group projects. The problem is, children aren't graded individually.
Kids are forced into a one-size-fits-all mode of learning in all subjects.
And subjects are assumed to be comorbid in skill/affect.
Also, most employers expect newfound employees to have five plus years of experience for even basic jobs.
Alot of schooling leaves out blue collar/employment skill training.
>>736941Hmm maybe we should ease up on social rules for kids. Some kids will fight, it’s about letting the victim fight back that will solve it.
Plus some kids come from incredibly fucked up backgrounds and cultures even just in the US.
It’s not wrong to say inner city culture is a plague on children and problem kids need to be reeducated or just isolated from the rest for the betterment of the majority.
Problems need to be nipped in the bud early to prevent contamination of the youth.
>>736943Bully victims are punished for self defense.
Kids are told to tell the teachers but the teachers don't do anything
>Plus some kids come from incredibly fucked up backgrounds and cultures even just in the US.It’s not wrong to say inner city culture is a plague on children and problem kids need to be reeducated or just isolated from the rest for the betterment of the majority.
Problems need to be nipped in the bud early to prevent contamination of the youth.
The problem is that most people think childhood is a culturally monolithic experience.
I notice how kids in suburban schools who come from the projects or different countries are treated badly.
Or kids whom are more snarky or more into sophisticated or worldly entertainment are treated as potential sociopaths or narcissistic.
Teachers especially use this therapy speak dialect towards students as if though they're mental institution patients or infants.
It's no wonder why students are so surly or awkward.
Alot of media aimed at kids seems to normalize awkwardness as sincerity.
Autism is a superpower.
It has the ability to fuck up your prospects.
People assume "superpower" to mean "almighty force of beneficialism".
So because of that, the saying "autism is a superpower" is thought of as a joke.
Ironically, it is a joke. An ironic one.
It's a superpower but not for anyone's good.
It's a curse.
It means God has damned you.
God could have made you a leukemic child.
He could've made you Down Syndrome.
He couldve made you with a missing arm.
But no.
He did the unthinkable.
Autism.
How can God claim Himself to be loving when He allows this neurocognitive disorder loose?
All I know is that God would never let Jesus be born with autism.
God would let all of humanity born in hell for eternity before that happens.
>>736945In a world of choice, people will be unequal and unique in their manifestations.
If the nation becomes a program to create a specific mindset and culture then a fundamental aspect of human experience is extinguished.
It doesn’t matter tho, over hundreds of years or thousands of years. Things change and no state of life is permanent.
Even if there is a global revolution, it won’t be permanent.
>>736948>If the nation becomes a program to create a specific mindset and culture then a fundamental aspect of human experience is extinguishedThat's what we do in schools and people the complain about declining academic prowess.
Forced conformity in development of skill sets creates programs like No Child Left Behind, which caused a whole nation of children to be left behind.
>In a world of choice, people will be unequal and unique in their manifestations.That's why I say that free will isn't really free.
If it were, we could choose our traits and circumstances directly as if though it were a simulator.
>It doesn’t matter tho, over hundreds of years or thousands of years. Things change and no state of life is permanent.>Even if there is a global revolution, it won’t be permanent.That's why I say everything is relative.
The ultimate paradox is that relativity is the absolute. Absolution cannot exist anywhere in reality. Alot of things we say is proper and standard in one era was considered radical and newfangled in previous.
There's also the interesting note that creeds/philosophies/cultures that seem to oppose each other often share more similarities than differences in their motives.
>>736761classic neurotypical response. mask and shut up the complainers because they make you uncomfortable that the boots gonna land on you. i hope we cry more
>>736712I knew a person with ADHD who used me and ruined my friend group and bullied another friend of mine. A lot of people with ADHD bully others online and a lot of statistics support that. Autistic people are just very insecure but kind people. I have always had bad experiences with people with ADHD.
>>736962ooh look i have no friends ooh i have to fit in
>>736977>my personal anecdote represents everyone>conveniently the mental disorder i have is actually only for very good very special boysman this is fucking sad to read lmao
>>736986yeah i can tell
>>736977Do you believe in the horoscope too
>>736903>[Autists] were killed or left to starve.>Same for victims of down syndrome and schizophrenia.>Nowadays, we are more humane.This is not true. They were cared for. Some societies even treated them as royalty or supernatural. Even for Sparta, which is known in pop culture for abandoning babies, there's no proof whatsoever of them ever actually doing it, there are no archaeological evidence of it ever been a widespread practice.
>>736987I don't have any disorder, but from my experiences people with autism and adhd were very friendly but people who were easily manipulated by other parties. I always keep wary of people with ADHD, autistic people have always been friendly to me.
Their behaviors have them listed to more prone to bullying others and being less empathetic too. I don't really trust them. Autistic people are really aggressive sometimes but they've always had good intentions from my experience.
>ADHD
<impairs basic daily functioning, essentially living life on hard mode if unmedicated, some tasks are near impossible when to a normie they seem trivial
>autism
<you act cringe sometimes?
If you have high self awareness + insecurity being autistic is an actual hell, I'm 100% sure I wouldn't feel that bad if I had never been diagnosed, it's like a narcissistic wound for me
>>737158Why would it be a problem to worry about?
>>737158you can get medication dipshit.
>>737163Do I get to snort it though?
>>736013>maskingThey don’t have autism.
>>736536Masking kulaks are not autists. That’s like saying I’m blind but I can control my symptoms because I can keep my eyes open.
>>737158I’d sell snow but I’d cut my semen into the stuff I sell leftist women.
Is that autistic?
>>737158ADHD diagnosis is useful for meds. Autism diagnosis can be useful for affirmative action policies depending on where you live e.g. here in Brazil autistic people have smaller queues, can take exams in different rooms, don't have to pay income taxes, and some job selections have autism quotas. Truly the bourgeoisie of mental disorders.
>>737094>autism<you act cringe sometimes?And issues with executive function, which is another reason why many of them can‘t hold a job. Sensory sensitivity. More sensitive to developing trauma. Also very naive and trusting which makes them end up in dangerous situations.
>>737302>Truly the bourgeoisie of mental disorders.not disagreeing but its easy to feel like this bc autists in poor families have to suck it up instead of being pampered until theyre grown ass adults
>>737198>communism is le good vibes and charity and caring about other people, if you disagree youre some madeup amerilard larplol sorry bud its workers acting in self-interest that lead to the abolition of class society
>>737158NEETbux and disability benefits. That's really it.
>>737158Maybe because it helps explain why life was so difficult?
Late diagnosis is better than no diagnosis at all
>>737197>>737200Masking is a part of autism.
Saying it doesn’t is just “no true Scotsman” fallacy
>>737317>>737302Autism is the bourgeois is mental disorder
By that logic, so is being paraplegic, food allergies, and schizo
>>736761Why don’t you say this to all the posts on this site of asocial neurotypicals whining about not getting laid?
>>737318So you admit that communism is just alternative individualism.
You admit that communism will allow for genocide of “weirdos I don’t like”?
How is this any difference from fascism?
>>736543Then, most the dislike for non-leftists, thinking them as reactionaries/sheeplike etc is on you guys
>>737520It’s not. Nearly all autistic people don’t know how to do it. Autism is a disorder that includes limited social ability as its symptom. The whole “masking” thing was created by capitalist critical theorists who want to exterminate the higher needs autistic people.
>>737545He’s a liberal and liberalism is fascism.
>>737619Masking is a part of autism.
A lot of higher functioning artists semi-innately do it
Just because the term was coined by capitalist theorists doesn’t make it not true.
Masking isn’t even always perfect but it’s the best defense we autists have
>>737622I have a hard time believing liberalism is fascism.
Fascism doesn’t respect individualism like liberalism does
>>737623>masking is part of autismAs I said, it’s not. That is only reserved for the top 1% of autistic people.
Go ahead and say that being able to control your blindness is an attribute of blindness.
>>737626That’s not a good comparison.
Again, whether you like it or not, masking is a part of autism.
It’s just that only one percent of autists can mask without being suspect of having autism
>>737158nothing really. its just the community which in response lets you vent and maybe learn some better coping tricks. how the hell the spook i meet once a year for 20 minutes gonna help me fix my entire life
>>737158How would you like it if you got a mysterious injury to your body and never knew what or why it happened and people tell you to get over it because you lived with it through your prime years despite it causing major setbacks?
>>737631It’s not the case. I’ve been diagnosed since I was 7 years old and I haven’t heard of the “masking” bullshit until like 2 years ago. My cousins both a man and a woman in their 30s have no clue how to mask as well. One is non-verbal and the other is high needs. The only people I’ve met who claim to be “masking” autists are online. The more I’ve looked into it, I’ve noticed that the literature on the “masking” phenomenon is recent and doesn’t even originate from neurobiologists. It’s a scam created by liberals to exterminate the “unwanted” autists.
>>737635Masking is still a relevant thing.
The term may not be well known but the phenomenon isn’t.
As for your cousins, they don’t seem capable of it because one is non verbal and the other is high needs
I’m autistic as well as my three other brothers.
And my youngest brother is more high needs than the rest of us and we all mask.
Also, liberals sympathize the shit out of autism.
They want to paint autism as being an angelic polymath who can do no wrong nor fail.
>>737639I agree.
People with autism could have had a “better” life.
Just because someone doesn’t possess autism doesn’t mean their life if better tho, anyone with autism who has a “bad” life has an equal chance of having a “bad” life as a regular person.
You could make any manner of choice and actively do worse than you are now as a normal person.
>>737545>So you admit that communism is just alternative individualism.lol i posted that communism is a practical movement solely concerned with the proletariat and your first kneejerk response is bringing up some random ideology. how do you spend so many hours of your life posting on this shithole and still cant grasp the most basic shit
>>737622<basic ass marxist statement about the self-interest of workers is le liberal/fascistyou are a massive fucking retard
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