>society would rather let AI sloppers suck the world dry than let their governments build nuclear power plants
its all so tiresome
They should be sucking me dry
>>737104I agree with this.
>>737101The bourgeoisie somehow always manages to come up with some retarded bullshit for the proles to argue over. It's tiresome.
Anyone that makes ai art should be shot
maybe at some point a discovery will be made in nuclear tech and there will be half the stock market investing in nuclear firms in an auto-prophetic fashion,but it's not now
>>737102right goku has SOVL, sorry, I don't make the rules
>>737129how do i know your comment isn't AI poetry
>>737137If i was ai i would shoot myself
>pencilslop
holy gem
>>737147technically it's coal since pencils are made with graphite
>>737130one of the main criticisms of nuclear power is that its expensive but thats exactly bc nobody uses it lol, price would decrease if it got adopted by more countries
>>737129anyone who makes being anti-AI their whole personality should be shot tbqh. just call it slop and move on with your life like all normal folks do
>>737145David is that you?
>>737154>anyone who makes being anti-AI their whole personalityBro can't understand the difference between having principles and making something their entire personality, please go outside
Thats how you know ecologists are wreckers
Even though I'm not fond of genai stuff, I use nano banana to make zerotwo + lum mash ups because there are like one or two artworks on the internet that match such criteria
>>737185you dont need to excuse yourself lol its not a sin to just fool around with ai shit
>>737170>having principles (aka performativity)you sound like exactly the type of middle class loser i mean who needs to turn some random opinion into a crusade
>please go outsidelmao the vast majority of people do not have strong opinions on art and ai slop is only a made up problem in terminally online spaces, talk about projection
Ai uses less than 10% of data center energy
Data centers use less than 10% of total energy
Nothingburger
>>737187>the vast majority of peopleDo you even know a “vast majority” of people? Because everyone i’ve met has some opinion on ai, and it’s rarely positive
>having principles (aka performativity)People like you are why the left never gets anything done
id support ai if it was made by my comrades of steel complexion .
>>737225Both your statements are explained by the fact that you live in a country comprised 90% of petite bourgeoisie
>>737145Drawing tablets aren't a synthesis between pencils and AI they're just a digital version of a pencil/pen/brush/etc
>>737187>ai slop is only a made up problem in terminally online spaceVery much so. You only ever encounter AI shit on centralized social media and search engines. The rest of the web is chilling unscathed. (aside from having to block AI scrapers for server load management reasons, but that's a different issue.)
The solution to "AI slop" is to move to fedi and learning to use your bookmarks.
Yeah, YouTube, Bluesky, search engines and whatever other too-large-to-moderate centralized platforms will drown in it, but that's a good thing actually.
>vast majority of peopleYou're still delusional for evoking this tho. Don't evoke untestables if you want to be taken seriously.
>>737305>You're still delusional for evoking this tho. Don't evoke untestables if you want to be taken seriously.i get ya but if the average person isnt curious or lacks the free time to get interested in art beyond whats mainstream or most accessible plus shit like
>>737254 plus being a communist and understanding how impotent consumer movements are and the class their proponents almost always are it only stands to argue this. im an art snob too but when youre a communist its kinda hard to care about these things too much, especially when ai slop is almost entirely prominent on AAA and most discussions revolve around IP or weird essentialist views
>>737154Anti AIism is the worst product of AI boosterism
(I think people would find it less offensive if the sheer volume of AI garbage, if it has to exist, was segregated into its own corner of the internet rather than making every site nigh-unusable though)
>>737312>most discussions revolve around IP or weird essentialist viewsThe pushback against AI has been totally hamstrung by people who think copyright is gonna be the silver bullet that stops it while having no understanding of what copyright law even is. AI sucks for a million reasons and we have wasted so much oxygen listening to people who think "you have to pay every artist you’ve seen the work of and been influenced by" could be legally enforced.
Anyway "AI breaking up the petit-bourgeois artists" has not happened and cannot happen with the shape the art industry is actually in today, and all it's done is produce more vapid slop. Feels like both sides that either fear or celebrate this haven't experienced a piece of art that isn't an internet meme since their schooldays, they genuinely cannot tell why AI slop can never emulate actual art, and it is impossible to even explain why to them.
>>737338Define actual art
>>737362NTA but "Art is a result of communication that can be made more specific losslessly" is the only cohesive AI-excluding definition I can come up with, though has the side effect of including all speech.
>>737305why… why does it have the brezhnez eyebrows
>>737464because most people dabbling in 'AI', be it researchers or users, are allergic to actual problem solving and just find 'problems' this shit is good at 'solving' instead.
>>737466Right, so why are people bullying doodle nerds and trying to pass of computer generated collages as art just to avoid being luddites cause they don't know what that word means. Too busy tryna be cool to notice how stupid this all is.
>>737469did you quote the wrong post or are you actually mentally challenged and have issues understanding the content of what you read?
>>737469because it's in the process of commodification,so there is a backlash against it,and contrarians who double down on the other side
>>737470My point is that when it comes to discussing ai, silly doodles are pointless, they don't mean shit, there are way more interesting and important conversations to be having.
God damn, take your time and think for a second.
>>737471True, i wanna see them try and defend making this their key battleground.
>>737472okay you are actually stupid. i agreed with your point and gave one of the reasons for why people hyperfocus on genAI (both 'research' and application).
>>737474I think you're missing a step here, we agree, these posts are to be seen by other people. I don't know how to explain what an elaboration is.
>>737472because all AI can do is doodles and predict words. thats it. and theyre trying to sell this as the most revolutionary piece of technology in the world when the actual use cases of AI are incredibly limited
>>737464Machine learning is used for a lot of useful stuff like weather prediction.
AI is a marketing gimmick, like the Metaverse.
- We already had chatroom where users have a position in a virtual space, but metaverses weren't that, they were the marketing around it drifting off and demanding the tech be in service of an ideology spawned from said marketing.
- We already had useful applications of machine learning, but AI isn't that, it's the marketing around it drifting off and demanding the tech be in service of an ideology spawned from said marketing.
>>737187>you dont need to excuse yourself lol its not a sin to just fool around with ai shitEh I didn't mean to convey such a message lol
>>737552oh my god i completely forgout about the metaverse shit. i think techbros suffer from trying to create solutions to problems that never existed in the first place
>>737552Completely agree if we are talking about USA technology and not Chinese.
>>737584Having looked into Xiauhongshu pre-face ID, China is definitely much less afflicted with this but it's still a prominent pattern there too.
>>737587altman has deployed the hipster
does AI consume more energy than a human would in the process of producing the same product? Is that possible to know? Like for a single drawing that AI produces in seconds, I'm sure it burns through a lot of energy, but if a human took 2 days, 6 meals, 120 oz of water, etc. in an air conditioned house with electricity, is it much different? that's my question. It's not meant to take sides, it's just a question.
>>737824I kinda picked random numbers for the human here so let me word my thoughts better. AI is faster but needs more immediate power. Human energy use is complex and indirect. AI energy use scales with demand. So is AI more energy hungry than humans? It seems like it depends on more factors than I can personally figure out by myself.
>>737825considering ai is racking up electricity prices wherever theyre being built as data centers yes
>>737824The human brain is absurdly energy efficient for what it does. Runs on less than 20 watts. Some sources say 12.
>>737876yup,because the brain use light patterns to transfer data analogically,so it's basically just a lot of LED,unlike computers who use electricity in transistors
>>737879what? is there a paper about this
Automation, blue collar: 🙄💅😏🤑🥳📈
Automation, white collar: 🤯😭😱🤬🔥🔪
>>737924Office chuds will go fash before admitting they have more in common with blue collar wagies than they do with their boss.
>>737824Depends. Cost of human labor is also higher than pure caloric energy expenditure because it captures inefficiencies in food production, healthcare, dependents, etc. Total cost of AI on many tasks is undeniably lower. I suspect there are many places where it's more efficient raw energy wise too, image generation in a couple of minutes vs hours of an artist's time comes to mind.
>>737101>society would rather let a couple few nerds own most of the world's wealth than just kill 'em and take their money Fixed
>>738247lmfao only one of them is a communist and the third only pretended to be le epic marxist years after the revolution to get gibs from the ussr
>>737101You are up against an army of mathematicians, CS, CE and EE nerds bucko. Just give up.
>>738409unlikeable faggots are making the world less enjoyable? you dont say
>>737101Critical support for retards being against AI in USA. You should bomb datacenters to hinder technological progress in imperialist core.
95% of people malding about AI anything (art, songs, memes) spent the previous decade fantasising how AI and robots will replace all the shitlords, rednecks, Christofascists, breeders, carnists, car brains and other Le Bad and Le Nazi Groups™ and they're mad because they're the ones who are useless in today's world.
>>739193Why do you use twitter?
>>738387don't care, all 3 of them are 10000x more based than the average person, including you
>>739193The amount of coping delusions AI shills go through on a daily basis really is amazing.
There's no way you believe any of the shit you're saying. If you can't even lie to yourself properly what makes you think we're going to buy it? It's as fake as the AI slop you're defending.
Pencilfags keep pushing their qualityslop on everyone and need to be stopped. They really want people to spend a trillion years making extremely detailed and deep art and a trillion years consuming it to really "get it" plus a trillion more years discussing the art with other people who consumed it. In the time qualityslop fans take to enjoy a single piece of art, AI chads can create and consume thousands of beautiful pieces of AI generated art.
>>739204>theyre le based!!!!!!vibes and aura retard
>>739227It's 100% though. The people most upset about AI are lumpen drawing low quality fetish porn and they're mad they'll be the first to actually be replaced with AI.
>>739804most of the people who are mad are the ones having datacenters built in their area and making electricity get more expensive
>>739951Every utility, in fact. It makes sense why rhetoric like
>>739804 was so desperately pushed in that context.
ai is actually existing builder of class consciousness
>shits up the environment and raises electricity prices
>adored by the petit bourgeoise aspirant and petit bourgeois alike and is icky to the upper echelons of the bourgeoise preferring "real artist" labor making clear the apparent class social distinctions
>raised to the consciousness the idea of property law and IP which is so ironically defended by the "artist" class and corporations alike while also bringing forth the equally bloodsucking "IP law abolishers" who seek to make use of the chaos to generate a new nightmare of commodity productions making apparent the false contradiction of the two parties who both seek to uphold their share in exploitation
yeah yeah this discourse has always existed but "tired of discourse repetition" fail to account that numerous generations alien to this discourse are born every fucking year(i.e CHILDREN DUH YOU MUDSCRAPING MUTT FOR BRAINS WHY WOULDNT THE DISCOURSE REPEAT THEYRE LITERALLY NEW TO THE DISCOURSE) so well be having this repeat discourse anyways and although many might miss this moment, its brought to the forefront many discourses that are usually alienated from each other and whos ecosystem is usually only criticized in parts and not in full context of the participants
>discourse doesnt bring revolution dumbass
i know that IM JUST SAYING ITS INTERESTING
>>739985I think people that try to disguard all superstructural factors in revolution are being idealist. An unorganized proletariat is just as incapable of revolution as lumpen or anyone else. Organizing ultimately requires communication.
I don't get why the base-superstructure dialectic is so difficult for people to wrap their head around. Analysis of either without the other is incomplete.
>>740008Non-twitter and non-suburb-of-twitter example?
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