Is prostitution inherently wrong?
We can all agree that it generally correlates with human trafficking and crime but I'm talking about sex workers who persue this career out of their own free will.
I don't think the state should interfere with what consenting adults do with their bodies as long as no one is harmed?
Would society become less violent if men were able to satiate their sexual frustrations through sex workers?
>morality
Bro
Prostitution it's as bad as any wage labor
>>738325Yes considering escorts make thousands more than any wagie
>>738326A - no they don't, high price escort work doesn't reflect the experience of most prostitutes
B - lots them have pimps who take all of their money anyway
C -
Islam + whores = top quality bait, guaranteed to farm engagement
>>738327This is a very outdated view. In countries with legalized prostitution such as Australia or Switzerland, many work on their own terms and are registered legally and have to undergo weekly std tests
>>2609948
That's a stretch
>>738327Pimping should definitely be illegal and it is in most countries where prostitution is legal. Amsterdam is a gray area but that's not the case everywhere
>>738329Countries like Switzerland and Australia are not very representative of the world as a whole
>>738329pffffffhhh hahahahaha
How does one distinguish between a woman doing it out of free will and one doing so due to psychological hang ups, coercion, or societal pressure?
Prostitution isn't wrong.
It's just rape.
>be me
>live in a conservative shithole
>hear westoids say "prostitution isn't rape bro"
<ok
>*study prostitution in my country*
>find out that the majority of prostitutes just happen to be Roma
>Roma are some of the most historically disenfranchised people in the country
>the most poor and oppressed minority with no prospects happen to be over-represented in prostitution
<western incels want me to believe that anyone chooses this shit
lol
lmao
>Is prostitution inherently wrong?
>We can all agree that it generally correlates with human trafficking and crime but I'm talking about sex workers who persue this career out of their own free will.
>I don't think the state should interfere with what consenting adults do with their bodies as long as no one is harmed?
it's very clear that prostitutes are exploited by capitalism and or patriarchy, even onlyfans models who rake in hundreds of thousands, but even in a perfect communist society there would be those who would desire to engage in sex as a spectacle for their own enjoyment to enhance the sexual act and to gratify their desire for attention. proposing to outlaw this would bring the entire human sexual drive into question, i think, as there are elements inherent in that such as power dynamics, master/slave relations, bdsm, humiliation, etc. that stem from the development of sexual desire within the mercilessly savage arena of natural selection. perhaps one can make a case that this inherently oppressive desire that human beings have to exploit and be exploited is safe to explore within the bounds of consent, and that this is better than expressing it outside of a playful setting.
>Would society become less violent if men were able to satiate their sexual frustrations through sex workers?
i would say that this is a partial solution. many men are driven to horrible lengths because of their inherent need not only for sex but for affection and appreciation from pretty girls, but it probably wouldn't solve the problem completely as there are other things that drive violence such as competitiveness, jealousy/envy, greed, etc. but i do think that more sex would resolve a large part of the incel issue, that's why voluntary sexual surrogates combined with MLM re-education camps would basically cure every incel of their reactionary beliefs and turn them into loyal communists, i think.
>>738334Some women just wanna be hoes
>>738336The majority of guys who seek hookers are married lol
>>738336Your shithole doesnt count. I'm talking about legalizing it and give power back to sex workers
Sex is good for you. It is immoral to stop people from becoming experts at having really good sex and serving all of society.
Lmao uyghas here are such puritans. Stop putting pussy on such a high pedestal. Women hoe out for a living and will continue to do so as long as men have penises
>>738329>many work on their own termsImpossible in class society
>>2610003Why don't you hear from the opinions of actual sex workers. Many of them enjoy their jobs and view it as less shitty than being a waiter or bartender
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/16fh9w/today_i_became_an_escort/>>738334How do you distinguish any wage labor between those two options?
>>738344You can't lol.
Labor is something inevitable. The type and amount of labor is dependent on your skills and your environment. But humans have to labor to survive so do most animals to an extent
Capitalist commodities bad
Socialism commodities good
Hencef capitalist prostitution bad and socialist prostitution good, but your brothel has to be a SOE!!
>>738346Prostitution has existed in every society capitalist or not. Even monkeys engage in it by offering ressources for sex
the issue with prostitution from a communist perspective is that if there is no money and no commodities, what does the prostitute work for?
>>2610034
was it younwho typed this or something else?
>>738348There's always something that someone want.
We're all prostitutes for something. Desire will never cease to exist, it is the driver of life
>>738348Political favors probably
>>738348Social media likes and attention
>>738339>the people's brothels kys petty bourgeois animal
>>738323Why are we having this thread again so soon? All thr arguments have Bern exhausted and nobody who already hasn't isn't going to move from their positions.
<moralityAlso spooky dogshit. Couldn't think of a worse way of framing this repetitive dogshit thread.
>>738343>Many of them enjoy their jobs and view it as less shitty than being a waiter or bartenderWould they still choose sex work if their options weren't just those available, or would they even choose sex work if they didn't have to partake in that kind of labor to survive?
This is something I think about because it's not exactly clear where coercion begins or ends when it comes to sex work.
>>738326>Yes considering escorts make thousands more than any wagieLegitimate retard. Specoal kind of retard, probably at such high levels a live-in carer is required. I'm at a loss how you even managed to find this website.
>>738343>>738326Same faggot, maybe with a VPN. There is mo way we have two guys with such high retardation levels turn up at the same Time.
>>738323Just stop talking about this. It is a liberal issue that they don't apply a gram of materialist analysis to. Engels explained that prostitution and especially domestic prostitution are inherent to class society and that they can't exist in communist society. His logic holds up very well in modern conditions.
I feel like this is an engagement farming topic. LLM bots or raiders might be active as well. I don't know why you'd do that here but it is what it is.
If there is something to actually be said about it, it's that this obsession with prostitutes western "leftists" have is very embarrassing. Are these people any more class conscious than other women? The opposite has been true in my experience, prostitution (including domestic prostitution) allows women to cope and so they're less radicalized than they could be.
>Is prostitution inherently wrong?
Yes
>Why?
It is not labour, it is exploitation.
>What about porn huh?
Adults making consensual porn of themselves is a different thing.
>>738348There wouldn't be prostitution cause there isn't wage under the world you describe. People would still have sex, with one, cheat or have fun with many people consensually.
>>738360>It is not labour, it is exploitation.Another falsifier gem.
>>738363All wage labor is exploitation.
All of this cause Lenin called political opponents "prostitutes" and people decades later thought he ordered the execution of actual prostitues lmao.
>>738364I am at a loss for my words.
>>738354I have dated many women in the past. I just enjoy fucking strippers during dry spells. They're pretty and I'm a coomer lol. No one is harmed and I pay decent money. Would rather do that than goon alone in a room
>>738354>doesn't believe in morality >believes there is such a thing as celibacy when marriage is fake Lol
>>738354Had sex, don't care lol
>>738354You'd be surprised at the amount of dudes in relationships who sleep with sex workers
>>738371especially trans sex workers
>>738372Unlikely. Trans women are revolting. Not even gay men find them attractive
Prostitution and every other lumpen "profession" is parasitism. It is a form of rentier behaviour that does not create value, similar to the ruling class of any class society. Historically communists placed strict bans on this practice and forced everyone to get a fucking job.
>>738373why would gay men find women attractive?
Every loli poster is as guilty as Epstein
>>738375Maybe if the woman is manly enough?
>>738377No, gay men are not attracted to botch lesbians either
>>738375Hetmoids unironically believe gay equals solely liking dick instead of the whole package (Masculine body, physical features, etc…), is peak projection as most hetero males see women as walking cum dumpsters
>>738354Comparing voluntary sex work to rape is like comparing being an accountant in the first world to being a congolese miner.
>>738388>Inb4 someone be like so are you pro human trafficking of poor women from the third worldAgain no, you are doing the thing when you compare an accountant in the first world with a congolese miner just because both involve wage labour. I am not ok with people being trafficked for illegal brothels by organized crime. I am ok with a young adult doing escort jobs for some pocket money in a regulated setting where there is no violence or std transmission because i am not a conservative moralist
>>738323>Is prostitution inherently wrong? Nothing is.
>We can all agree that it generally correlates with human traffickingAbsolutely if you make prostitution illegal.
Leftists only hate prostitution because they want men to be easily controllable work horses. A man with DRAINED balls can't be easily manipulated.
>>738400Women hate seeing men have fun and get off. That's why they want the Epstein files to be revealed so badly
>>738329>In countries with legalized prostitution such as Australia or Switzerland, many work on their own terms and are registered legally and have to undergo weekly std testsi hope you realize that is virtually impossible in most of the planted.
>>738323>Is prostitution inherently wrong? Not inherently. But:
>We can all agree that it generally correlates with human trafficking and crime but I'm talking about sex workers who persue this career out of their own free will.
>Would society become less violent if men were able to satiate their sexual frustrations through sex workers?I doubt.
>>738636>sex workers who pursue this career out of their own free will.>>free willHmm I wonder if it exists anon
>>738669I am sure it exists but it is in no way numerically relevant.
males who defend prostitution are weird to day the least
>>738337>even in a perfect communist society there would be those who would desire to engage in sex as a spectacle for their own enjoyment to enhance the sexual act and to gratify their desire for attention. proposing to outlaw this would bring the entire human sexual drive into questionThat's just sex, not prostitution.
>>738669>Hmm I wonder if it exists anonI've lived in the Middle East and know (have fucked) a lot of girls like this. Women don't want to work but want the Instagram lifestyle
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