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>ACCORDING TO OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE VERY REAL SCIENCE OF ECONOMICS, TRUMP WILL TANK THE ECONOMY AND IS FINISHED
<actually the president doesn't matter
<actually immigration and free trade don't matter even though they're the core of our ideology
<actually if you consider the fundamentally unprovable fact that the economy would be even better in a different reality, this is a disaster
<ACTUALLY WE CAN LOOK TO OTHER CASES THAT WERE BAD WHICH MEANS THAT, SINCE THE SCIENCE OF ECONOMICS IS INVIOLABLE, THIS IS ALSO BAD
<HE'S STILL FUCKING UP EVEN THOUGH THE NUMBERS WE WORSHIP ARE GOOD OK!
And they'd rather stick to their belief that GDP reigns supreme than just admit that GDP and economic wellbeing aren't that tightly correlated, which would benefit Democrats as a message! Americans broadly think the economy sucks!

>line goes up
<line goes up, china

You don't have a high-enough resolution mental image of neoliberals to make the claims you're making and you're setting out to prop up your hypothesis rather than to find evidence that disproves it (e.g. Trump watered down the most egregious parts of his tariffs and carved out exceptions for GDP heavy industries)

If you actually sat and got an in-depth discussion a lot of neoliberals and /r/neoliberal users would concede that nominal GDP is a meme that doesn't mean much, (10% GDP growth and 10% inflation can cancel one another out!) which is unsurprising because a lot of them believe in nominal GDP targeting instead of inflation targeting. But you've got to care enough about bourgeois economic debates to know about the disagreement between people who prefer inflation targets and people who prefer nGDP targets to begin with.

GDP is reasonably well correlated with economic wellbeing, for which Britain is a brilliant example. You can track the complete mental and morale collapse of the UK in real time just by plotting the UK vs US GDP gap.

>>740559
>You don't have a high-enough resolution mental image of neoliberals to make the claims you're making
I read it weekly to know what these bozos are thinking and you are wrong. The consensus for a long while was that regardless of him backing away from the maximalist version of his promises, he'd caused enough chaos to create disaster by the end of the year. And if the average user there shared your viewpoint, the thread in question wouldn't be filled with surprised people trying to explain the facts through appeal to anything except "Trump didn't do that much".
>If you actually sat and got an in-depth discussion a lot of neoliberals and /r/neoliberal users would concede that nominal GDP is a meme that doesn't mean much
"If you actually pressed them on their beliefs they'd be forced to backtrack to much weaker positions" is not the killer retort you think it is lmao.
>GDP is reasonably well correlated with economic wellbeing
See, you did it just now. "Reasonably well correlated" is ambiguous enough that you can treat it as basically universal when it suits you rhetorically and then backtrack to a milder position when necessary.

>>740566
Economics is famously a field where people make bad predictions, the internet is famously a place where people make overhyped predictions. If their predictions come to pass in (say) February, are you really comfortable smugly lording over them that they were just over 2 months out in their prediction? (Linguistically, of course, "by the end of the year" is unambiguously, but mathematically to predict disaster to within 1/6 a year is pretty good!)

The point on NGDP targeting is not that they would retreat to a weaker position, it is that you are attributing GDP with a sacrosanct nature which it does not really hold for them. You're confusing the map and the territory: it's economic growth they love, GDP is just a snappy way to allude to it. It is as though you think fast drivers worship their speedometers, not speed itself.

I say "reasonably well correlated" because I can specifically picture the sort of chart that comes when you correlate GDP with any kind of wellbeing measurement, which is a very strong / shape with a handful of outliers above and below. To say that there's a 1:1 relationship invites someone smugly pointing out that New Zealand is much less of a shithole than the UK for basically the same GDP per capita, as though this invalidates the fact that Australia is much better and Somalia is much worse.
(And as though many of these things aren't simply explained by country level GDP being the wrong resolution: London and the South East of the UK have reasonable GDPs per person, but other parts drag the country as a whole down by being developing world tier. It's correct in one sense to say that on average the UK is better, but there isn't really an average in a dysfunctional state.)

>>740572
>Economics is famously a field where people make bad predictions
I mean… yeah? And that's bad? Making accurate predictions is more or less the most important measure of success for science?

>If their predictions come to pass in (say) February, are you really comfortable smugly lording over them that they were just over 2 months out in their prediction?

So what, you're saying I posted this too soon? I didn't wait the proper amount of time to make a post on an anonymous imageboard? Oh no.
I do find it interesting that you can't seem to decide yourself whether Trump's buffoonery matters and will eventually tank the economy if we just wait enough or whether it was watered down from the start and nothing was ever going to happen.
I have lurked that sub for years and have watched them flip-flop on multiple issues then act as if they always held the correct position from the start – whether it was Biden's dementia, Israel-Palestine, Ukraine's chances in the war, etc. Your toeing the line in preparation for another flip-flop does not impress me.

>you are attributing GDP with a sacrosanct nature which it does not really hold for them

It does when it suits them and it doesn't when it doesn't. You know this, I know this, anyone reading this knows this. It's pointless to argue because it obviously benefits you rhetorically to pretend this thing that everybody has observed with their own eyes doesn't actually happen. It's the same thing with your point about correlation. "Sure, ignore the incorrect arguments we indulge in when we believe no one is looking, what we actually believe is the stuff we say when reality forces us to declare milder positions so as to not embarrass ourselves!" Of course, after the fact there is no way to aggregate the thoughts of the average user into concrete empirical evidence of what the sub believes. You have to have observed it with your own eyes. If you know you know is all I can say, and meanwhile the less autistic people of /siberia/ than you and me can rejoice in the pathetic flailing.

>>740559
is it really a good predictor or id it just alienated porkies gambling everything on whatever country has high gdp and the aforementioned country just reaping the rewards

we live in a gambler hell

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>>740552
browsing r neoliberal is not only bad for your health, but retarded. those people are literally think tank freaks. don't believe me? picrel


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