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What are your thoughts on collectivism in general? how essential or necessary do you think it is to general leftist thought and application? personally, when I look inward I yearn to be collectivist, but yet I find myself siding or having to consider myself an individualist most of the time. If I had to be a collectivist then I would have to be really extreme probably. Though that almost is what individualism is in a modern context I think.

i think that all human societies are inherently collectivistic including capitalism

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>>745989

is that so

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>>745989
I personally think it is very easy to be down and out and not get any sort of connection or love from others due to the inherent nature of capitalism. You are actually a leftist are you not?

I'm not actually a Christian…

but nonetheless. You have to take into consideration racial identities, because what would you consider discrimination and prejudice as originating from? I think that saying that capitalism is not inherently racist at all is a very classical liberal outlook.

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"collectivism" vs. "individualism" is a false dichotomy and anyone capable of thinking dialectically knows how to dissolve false dichotomies. There is objectively "collectivism" within "individualism" and vice-versa.

Multicellular organisms are collectives of cells, but that collective "resolves" to an individual with subjective experience of itself as an individual. That "individual" despite being both a collective of cells, and part of a collective society is still capable of experiencing individuality, be it positive individuality through autonomy and independence, or negative individuality, through alienation and ostracization. I could go on but I think this is the shortest way to put it.

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>>746000
There has been nothing written about dialectical materialism regarding collectivism and individualism as "false dichotomies"

You're kind of doing a strawman here…because I think if you were to say, the organization of a society doesn't have to strictly adhere to collectivism or individualism, then it would be understandable.

I think that generally if you were to study societies and civilizations, they more easily fall into one or more camps. It is often looked at as a spectrum with some societies being a mixture of both. It is generally just a tool, that lets you understand something that is incredibly simple, and basic, and that is out in the open. It's really nonchalant, and is usually not a big deal.

It's pretty ridiculous if we cannot even agree on established norms such as this. I mean you can disagree, but that's not entirely what is being done for sure, but I don't want to sound arrogant or like I am attacking anyone. I was going to say dichotomy again, but it's not really even the case. But generally the definitions and existence of individualism and collectivism pretty much widely appear everywhere. I mean, I guess you could say the media is controlled by a select group of wealthy individuals, and thus it is almost like a form of propaganda. But I don't know if it's really the case here with individualism and collectivism, because generally leftism is considered collectivism and it could be like arguing that leftism is not real either, because I don't know, it's like Goldsteins book "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism"

but nonetheless I see how my topic has almost turned into simply me arguing about semantics



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