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My fucking goy employee didn't show up for work because I refused to pay her for maternity leave.

Discovering Suno AI made me lose all motivation as a musician. You can create a better rap music than 90% of the shit that dominated the market by doing some prompt, and you don't even need to juggle words to generate prompt now, you can ask AI to generate even the prompts

>>748125
What makes art interesting is being a window into the artist himself.
Why are people so obsessed with Van Gogh, for instance? its not just because the paintings themselves are pretty but because he was a fascinating person that people want to know more about to this day. His art is more than a pretty picture, its also a window into the heart of a melancholic man whose life was filled with hardship and still found a way to find beauty in the simple things surrounding him.

Similar story with people along the lines of say Kurt Cobain. The music does hit on its own… but what really elevates it is Kurt himself. Thru his music people look for him, for what he felt for what he thought for what kind of a person he was. No AI can do any of that shit. AI music may sound pretty or whatever but its a window into a black void of nothing. Your music will always be a window into the depths of YOU and no one but you.

>>748127
TYA

>>748127
>What makes art interesting is being a window into the artist himself.
Pure petty bourg artisanal idealism.
There's no "artist himself" without the society that produced him. All art is a social relation and mediated by the society of the time, and even moreso by the material base: paintings as decorations necessitates the invention of canvases, compared to paintings on cave walls, which are "communal" by the nature of being immovable.

Please consult the following thread on old reddit dot com, where user smokeuptheweed9 explains it all:
/r/communism/comments/1at3kv0/how_exactly_is_seeing_art_as_selfexpression_a/

Petty bourgs always get mad when the production of artisanal commodities get automated and further proletarianized.
AI sucks right now because it's monopolized by capitalists who are trying to sell it as an easy way to break into petty bourg artisanship (just prooompt and you can be a real artist!!11), but soon enough AI will be integrated as a professional tool into digital audio workstations and become just another "VST"/filter, and people will calm down because the sanctity of "artistic skill" will be restored.

>>748125
>Discovering Suno AI made me lose all motivation as a musician. You can create a better rap music than 90% of the shit that dominated the market by doing some prompt
What's the relation between these two statements? Do you as a musician aspire to only be as good as "the shit that dominated the market"? If yes, that's awfully unambitious and I question how motivated you were to begin with. If not, why do you care?
The mass-market music you're talking about was already essentially algorithmic. It was exactly the kind of art that AI was made to replace.
ML art, basically by definition, cannot produce anything special, except through sheer luck or exceptional outside effort from the person manipulating the tool. The problem is that most artists have swallowed coddling pseudo-democratic clichés about how art doesn't have to be original, or refined, or essentially, that it doesn't have to be good. They've accepted and internalized the logic of the market and let it guide their view on what art is and should be, and now they're trapped in it because the inevitable refinement of the market has come for them.
I am building up to saying something nice here: if you care about art independently of commerce there will be room for non-AI art in people's lives for a very long time. It just likely won't be profitable.

>>748135
Upholding "non-AI art" as essentially more "artistic" is like upholding pencil drawings as "more artistic" than digital art.

Get with the times gramps

Um, this is a hugbox thread not an AI thread. You can make a new thread for that.

>>748140
>reee cncs have obsoleted my skills as a carver
Just don't be a reactionary and people won't geg on your ass about it

>>748140
it’s hard to be nice on an imageboard. i like being nice and sweet to people but here it’s hard not to argue. i don’t like the internet much anymore, i wish i could travel.

>>748139
That is a really stupid and nonsensical thing to say.

>>748143
Why?

>>748139
>essentially more "artistic"
I did not use that term.
>Get with the times gramps
I will gladly accept AI art in the extremely rare occasions where it is actually good, as I have done in the past.
What I will not accept is that I have to redefine my standards to be worse and provide less worth to my life, solely out of an abstract ideological obligation to adapt to whatever declares itself as the future, because to do otherwise is "reactionary" or whatever. I also won't be told what to think about art by people who likely don't care about it, and that includes 99.9% of AI evangelists.
>>748140
I was trying to provide genuine reassurance to the original poster, but someone decided to get on my case about it.

>>748145
Because it"s dumb and doesn't make sense. Pro-ai art people are just being contrarian. Or they"re like eight years old, no in between on this. No one actually believes ai can make valuable art an anyone who says they do is lying to troll.

>>748132
this is what happens when you dont understand marxism and just repeat jargons to justify your opinions
>i dont like X thing
<sanitised, marxist version : X thing is bourgeois

>>748142

i'm more of a gamer chair person myself

>>748132
Just as a final rejoinder to this post, this
>There's no "artist himself" without the society that produced him
In no way contradicts
>What makes art interesting is being a window into the artist himself.
(Even though I think that's a facile view)
So this whole discussion is pointless. Now back to hugboxing, everyone.

>>748157
Explain what makes art "valuable"

I hate being 28. I'm worried as fuck that everything I treasure about my life will become impossible within the next 2, at most 5 years, and that nothing will replace it.

>>748163
i like art because it's like seeing the world (or an aspect of it) through someone else's eye. it makes you connect with the artist's vision and opinions while also recontextualizing your own

>>748165
Very narrow view of art. Mere subjectivity.
Excludes vast numbers of gebres, form and movements