/siberia/ - Off-topic

Pivoting to China like most of the EU will soon probably because the US is on deaths door

third worldism sisters
did we make it?

>>748282
Really even aside from this it's been a terrible few days for the feelgood mainstream narrative about the first world. Nakedly selling out the Kurds after years of everyone glazing them as ideal Middle Easteners, Trump charging millions for world leaders to join his insanely fake "Gaza Peace Board", actual mobilization around the Greenland stuff, Macron betraying his own tough-guy posturing by sending Trump a secret cuck text beggining him to attack Iran instead of Europe, and Maduro's kidnapping still hanging in everybody's minds. Plus the ICE shit. Not sure what effect this will all have in practice, maybe most of it is noise, but I'm enjoying the outrage from the conformist dumbasses who thought we could never get to this point.

>>748249
unironic treatlerism will be 2026s hottest ideology

>Canadian PM using the word "US hegemony"
I remember when they made fun of us for using that term. Multipolarista Zisters we can't stop winning
>we as Canadians always new it was a light to profit powerful nations, but up until recently, we were one of the beneficiaries of US hegemony
My_god_he_admit_it.jpg

Yeah really hard to give a fuck about the gang of canibalizing each other. No honor among thieves you Maple Leaf Poofters.

>>748293
>was a light to
Was a *lie

But funny how members of terrorist criminal gangs suddenly find a conscience when it gets turned back on them.

History is moving again

I‘m not just surprised that he is saying it, but how succinctly and precisely he puts it. They always knew 100% what they were doing. All of them know it is a farce, they are all in on it and it‘s all cynical, strategic behavior.

>>748293
>we were one of the beneficiaries of US hegemony
wtf he is going full TWist mode

Some of the funniest shit that has happened in this hellhole

>>748258
EU can do it, but Canada is legit retarded if they think they won't be invaded in the next few decades if they don't give in to US interests. Xi is welcome, but he must sit in the cuck chair while Uncle Sam fucks the maple syrup guzzling hoseheads.

>>748293
> I remember when they made fun of us for using that term

Like every IR textbook uses that term

>>748258
Pissing off their more powerful neighbour sure worked out well for Ukraine.
Good luck if you're expecting China to ride to the rescue.

About ten days later and I'm actually surprised by how cynical the lib response to this speech has been, now the entire intelligentsia is coming out and more or less aligned in saying "yeah we knew the lefties were right all along, we just cynically pretended otherwise for the sake of power" and it's like, okay, fuck you then?
Like, it drives me crazy that they're just admitting this and yet I know nothing's gonna change, people will still finger-wag at you as if you were naive if you call out the bullshit, they'll still expect you to engage them in good faith even though it should be obvious why no one ever should.
Mind you that I don't think the average, rank-and-file lib actually believed this all along; I think they fully bought into the myth, which makes it all the more pathetic that the thought leaders are now saying "yeah we knew".

theyre gonna spin this as a confessional and do the rhetorical equivalent of a land acknowledgement. man

>>748249
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- karl marks 1917

>>752199
You can just watch the video if you think the OP is quote mining. Spoilers: it's not.

>>752173
>>748249
Every liberal with a brain obviously knew he was correct. It takes leftist delusion to think any takeaway of his (good, well-articulated) speech was "OMG leftists were right and liberals were wrong". Please get a grip. I don't understand why leftists try to cleave reality into these coarse blocks when it's obviously so much more complicated.

This has always been the tension. Every moderately educated center-left or center-right person has always known it. Me talking to leftists as a liberal feels like when I see leftists trying to talk to far-rightists on Twitter.

>>752221
Oh shut the fuck up you loser, every time anyone gave even mild criticism of American hypocrisy and fopol online a month ago the response from you faggots was always a sarcastic "hurr America bad West bad". You're not gonna fool anyone who's paying attention with your blatant bullshit, go back to your Reddit hugbox with your dying ideology, people are waking up and if there's any good in the world we'll hang all you sociopathic freaks.

>>752221
yeah right lmao

>>752221
I'm actually >>752173
>Every liberal with a brain obviously knew he was correct
I never said "libs with a brain" didn't know this. I said average libs didn't. I'm sure your brilliant mind knows how to reconcile these two sentiments.
>It takes leftist delusion to think any takeaway of his (good, well-articulated) speech was "OMG leftists were right and liberals were wrong".
To the extent that leftists have been the only significant voices in calling this out in public forums (not journal articles about realist IR which get read by a few hundred people) for the past decades, yes, that's a good takeaway of his speech.
And by the way, since the sentiment of your post is obviously "this was never actually a lie": Carney literally calls it a lie and says Canada participated in maintaining that lie.
The fact is that the West constantly makes appeals to the notion of a rules-based international order to justify its behavior on a global scale. Those appeals are nonsense unless there is some pretense of maintaining a narrative. This is the actual point of my post: some part of the population must have brought into this narrative, and they must have been deliberately misled into it, or none of this would even matter enough to talk about. And yet you and other lib cranks are implying this deception never happened and no one ever argued that the American-led order was just and fair, which is such obvious bullshit that it should legitimize all similar claims for decades, but obviously this isn't how humanity works.
>I don't understand why leftists try to cleave reality into these coarse blocks when it's obviously so much more complicated.
This phrase is an empty gesture towards the concept of "nuance" that doesn't actually say anything. Libs sure love those huh?

>>748285
>Really even aside from this it's been a terrible few days for the feelgood mainstream narrative about the first world

Sometimes leftists appreciate fascists because it lets them stick it to the libs. Sometimes they appreciate them because of larger strategic goals. Typically both.

I am just thankful most people in the US (excluding the right, who are obviously retarded and barely human) are liberals and aren't consumed by this totalizing, anti-human worldview. A far-leftist smiles at an oncoming fascist boot because it lets them lace their own, while a liberal actually behaves like a decent, empathetic human with fundamental values that don't center around apocalypse cult-style wishes.

I can appreciate the few leftists who root their leftism in wanting to help others and create a better world, like AOC and Mamdani. They start with morality and expand from there.

(Watch as the replies to this will be something about how top left isn't an actual leftist and also AOC and Mamdani are fascists, etc.)

You people sicken me. I always leave with a malaise I never get from 4chan /pol/, because at least those scum don't pretend to be moral or employ reason.

>>752347
>Nuance is based and it is good to invoke it, emptily or otherwise.
You might be too stupid to realize this, but this is a tacit admission that you like nuance for aesthetic reasons.
>Imagine if any of you had a RL, long, 1-on-1 conversation with Carney. You think he is going to significantly agree with or be impressed by any of this one-note rhetoric?
No and I didn't imply he would. Obviously the smart people in power always knew about the bullshit.
>Am I doing this right?
Be serious. Why did you stop trying to make arguments with substance all of a sudden? Oh, I know why.
Really bro, just prove us wrong, prove that we're naive idiots, show me all the major public figures that before this month were being straightforward and honest to the general public about what the rules-based international order really is. There was no lie, right? No false worldview being sold to people for the sake of power? It was always obvious to everyone? That's your entire contention so why aren't you trying to prove it?
But it would be clear even to an outsider with no skin in the game reading this thread that you have nothing left but your self-image as the good smart empathetic Obama-era democrat, that anyone to your right must be psychotic and anyone to your left must be fake. None of it is founded on any facts, or you wouldn't retreat to blind self-affirmation at the slightest pushback. You have nothing but to keep repeating "me and my buds are the only empathetic people in the world, the rightists are psychos, the leftists are fake and just like to own the libs". And then this whiny bullshit about how we sicken you and you lack morals when your entire position in this thread is defending a world order that by your own admission (given your implicit agreement with Carney) was hypocritical, unevenly and unfairly applied, a "fiction", and required false rhetoric.
But that's moral, right? Exempting Israel from being prosecuted for war crimes was totally moral. It needed to be done because Western hypocrisy existed for the greater good. And besides, no one could possibly actually care about it, because that would mean you and your friends aren't the most empathetic special boys in the world. Right? Right?
>nb4 more empty paragraphs of just "ugh you're disgusting and evil and stupid!!!!"

>>748282
Third worldists want an equitable distribution of slaves amongst slavers

It's implicitly pro-slavery movement

>>752353
fascists are better enemies to have than liberals, precisely because they're honest and retarded

>>752347
>If so, so be it. I will gladly go down with the ship!
You say this but judging by your Carney glaze you're going to go along with his realpolitik and be glazing China in 5 years lmao

>>752353
>because at least those scum don't pretend to be moral or employ reason.
You are literally just the version of American capitalist imperialism that is blue rather than red, and you are claiming moral superiority. Which ironically has also been the American casus belli for the past however many decades.

>We're blue neoliberals, we only kill people abroad rather than at home, unlike those red neoliberal fascists. Why won't you anti-human leftists participate in our voting ritual and change the color of the trolley from red to blue?

Lmao

>>752434
>left: prole genocide
>right: prole genocide (out of frame)
Whao……..

>>752440
ain't clicking chef

>>752353
>Sometimes leftists appreciate fascists because it lets them stick it to the libs
trvke. but you should remember that people on this website are mostly unemployed NEETs who dont interact with the real world. theyre constantly trying to virtue signal and prove how "hecking radical" they are, meanwhile the mature adults in the real world are getting shit done (and getting shit on by the online left for not being pure enough)

>>752464
>meanwhile the mature adults in the real world are getting shit done
By being so contemptible that they are getting assraped in the elections by actual, mentally retarded, fascists across the western world? Because they certainly didn't accomplish diddly fucking shit when they were in power.

>>752468
its funny that youre using electoral performance as a measure of success considering that you lot cant get elected fucking anywhere.

>>752471
Leftists don't measure their success on electoral results dumbfuck, especially ones in flawed liberal "democracies". Liberals, meanwhile, literally base their own ideological success on "DA RULE OF LAW" and "VOOOOOOOTING WILL SAVE US ALL, YOU JUST NEED TO VOOOOOOOTE TO GET WHAT YOU WANT". It's a child's understanding of how the world works.

>>752353
stancil got kicked from tracking ice because he wanted media to follow his every fucking move. grifter ass larp.

>>752437
>>752460
>>752467
Haha your race riot got owned

>>752479
Why does racism and nationalism exist in a socialist society in the first place?

Asking for a friend

>>752483
Lol, read up on what Marx & Engels had to say about the US conquest of northern Mexico or British colonialism in India

>>752486
>no answer
ok

>>752498
What does that have to do with AES racism? Marx and Engels didn't live in socialist societies.

>>752501
Stop backpedalling, lol

>>752809
Are you going to answer why a socialist society is racist? And why do you defend it if you've conceded? Racism is cringe ngl

>>752853
Leftypol is rarely consistent.

>>752486
>Lol, read up on what Marx & Engels had to say about the US conquest of northern Mexico
I think Engles was wrong, he probably misunderstood the situation or didn't know the extent of the crimes.

>>748249
JDPON Don is helping to expose the imperialist order.

>>754721
I'm pretty sure he was saying it in more favorable terms when he was speaking with others and got bitched at,so he tried to say it in the edgiest way possible to trigger them

>>752483
Cotton bouquets have a different meaning in China.

>>754763
I hope so