🧠 Autism General 🧠
A thread for the most Autistic of Leftists such as myself to discuss politics related to Autism.
I don't know if this should be in Siberia or not but I guess mods could move it if it does
Why do Allisticoids think vaccines cause Autism? I assume it is just a way for them to try to deny people healthcare.
What will we talk about itt?
Uhhhh. Oh well.
I struggle lots with work related stuff because my autism hits me pretty hard in the socialization and executive function departments. I kinda wish people in this website talked about how people can be lumpenized due to idpol reasons.
Any autistic neets here?
Can the left really make use of autism politics?
>>750002There really is no Autism politics, other than "Should autistic people receive free healthcare" or "Can I say the R-Word" because the right does not really care about autistic people, literally Elon Musk is autistic and he basically set us back 10 years reputation wise.
>>750003i haven't seen any proof that he is except for him claiming he has 'aspergers' on SNL.
>>750004Do you need any proof? Dude's a textbook autist
>>750004Self-diagnosis is valid.
>>749998Right-wingers hate doctors and the PMC in general. That’s why.
>>750009>>750009 (You)
>Autism Spectrum Disorder<Diagnostic CriteriaA. Persistent deficits in social communication and social
interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by all of
the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative,
not exhaustive; see text):
1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for
example, from abnormal social approach and failure of
normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of
interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or
respond to social interactions.
2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for
social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly
integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to
abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits
in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of
facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding
relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties
adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to
difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends;
to absence of interest in peers.
B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or
activities, as manifested by at least two of the following,
currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not
exhaustive; see text):
1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of
objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypies, lining
up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic
phrases).
2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines,
or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g.,
extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with
transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to
take same route or eat same food every day).
3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in
intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or
preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively
circumscribed or perseverative interests).
4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual
interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g.,
apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse
response to specific sounds or textures, excessive
smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with
lights or movement).
C. Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period
(but may not become fully manifest until social demands
exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned
strategies in later life).
D. Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social,
occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.
E. These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual
developmental disorder (intellectual disability) or global
developmental delay. Intellectual developmental disorder and
autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make
comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and
intellectual developmental disorder, social communication
should be below that expected for general developmental
level.
Note: Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of
autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental
disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of
autism spectrum disorder. Individuals who have marked deficits
in social communication, but whose symptoms do not otherwise
meet criteria for autism spectrum disorder, should be evaluated
for social (pragmatic) communication disorder.
>>750008the enemy *is* the middle class though, thats different from being a quack like antivaxxers
https://libcom.org/article/enemy-middle-class-andy-anderson-and-mark-anderson >>750004Well that Is what solidified it, other proof would be that he jumps up and down and has the autism accent. He probably has ADHD too, I bet if he took a Ritalin pill the next day he would give all of his money away like Ebenezer Scrooge.
Autism is a bourgeoise concept. It's not real.
>>750011Recognizing conflicting class interests vs. osmosiating a continuous stream of Peter Thiel approved talking points against medical science. The right hates medicine precisely because they are themselves bourgeois to middle class.
There is no dialectical materialist reason to navigate the world on vibes, only the contrary.
>>750013>Autism is a bourgeoise concept. It's not real.You got to be joking, the thought of a Neurotypical person coming in here just to say that is so funny that I'm not even mad.
I have autism, everything checks out except the correlated memory bit, my brain just burns everything down. Probably used to be better at socializing when had to do it for school or whatever.
Do they stick things up your butt to find out if you have autism? Do they have to inspect your penis?
>>750002What exactly do autists "want"? This is something I've never understood.
>>750011Most antivaxxers are working-class. They hate doctors and pharmacists for the exact same reasons they hate intellectuals, professors, lawyers, therapists, librarians, artists, musicians, and such.
Interestingly enough, autistic people tend to be overrepresented in the PMC, which could also explain why Democrats and liberals LOVE autism.
>>750014>i hate the middle class for being parasites latching onto the proletarian movement just to maintain their position>i otoh hate the (rest of the) middle class as part and parcel of competition under capitalism<i cant tell the difference!!!!!"dialectical materialism" isnt a thing either you retarded pseud
>>750019[citation needed], and even if this was true luckily communism is critical enough to not just adopt retarded beliefs that arent even related to the proletarian class struggle just bc a sizeable portion of them believe in it
>>750004White south African addicted to Ketamine, he is austistic by proxy, not by blood.
>>750018To make people forget about the existance of actually austistic people, those who can barely talk
>>750019people here decided false consciousness wasn't real a long time ago,so if you profess any right wing or reactionary tendency,you become petty bourg.
>>750022>consciousness under marxism means the things you believe inlol another pseud, is EVERYONE here a retard holy shit
btw "false consciousness" is a gigacope about how the vast majority of people are actually le brainwashed proles, please ignore all the assets they own, theyre class traitors, not defending their actual interests!!
>>750002Not at all, because there is no urgency when it comes to "autism politics". What genocide is CURRENTLY being committed against autistic people? None. Most of what autistic people want can be implemented through basic bitch labour reforms anyway.
>>750023most fascists are proles retard. proletarians arent the chosen people who can do no wrong, theyre pretty fucking retarded, actually
>1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
not sure if check, I can do these with conscious effort but not naturally
>2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
check
>3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
don't think so
>1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypies, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
check
>2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).
check for difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, need to take same route, no for the rest. I wouldn't say I'm extremely inflexible though.
>Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
my "fixated interest" changes every couple months, probably isn't that strong
>4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g., apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
check for all of those
>Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).
I had most of these symptoms in that period but not the ones from section A - I think those mostly developed after I was 10. Perhaps "difficulty understanding relationships" but that was probably just being a child.
>D. Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social,
occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.
definitely some social impairment, idk about clinically significant
>E. These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual developmental disorder (intellectual disability) or global developmental delay.
not developmentally delayed.
what's my diagnosis anons?
>>750013I've talked to enough of them to know that it's real
>>750019>Interestingly enough, autistic people tend to be overrepresented in the PMCLmao absolutely no, they are overrepresented among unemployed, underemployed and poorly payed.
>>750028I think it's both. Like how a population can both be getting too much salt and not enough salt in their diets. Autistic people are overrepresented in every class.
>>750029>Autistic people are overrepresented in every class.What?
>>750028Both can be true at once. A lot of engineers and IT people are autistic. A lot of scientists, researchers, intellectuals, etc. are autistic. Most autists aren’t unemployed NEETs like Reddit wants you to believe.
>>2657030
This. I fully support prenatal testing for autism because it’s ultimately a feminist issue.
>>750034Most autists can't live alone and in deep need of special needs, but you never hear about them, it's really sad what the internet has done to autism, treating it more as a personality then an actually serious disability
I don't really know anything about autism, what means are there to be an effective socialist organizer with autism - say someone with no social contact? Does it necessarily involve overcoming certain aspects of autism? The only thing I've come up with recently is to write a program for alternative hegemonic institutions - virtual base-building and outreach.
>>750035According to wikipedia
>approximately 50% of autistic individuals have a normal or high-normal autism score and no significant physical disabilitiesSo even the ones who are fully functional suffer from severe employment discrimination.
>>750037Physical disabilities, It doesn't take in account mental disabilities, normal and high norman autism score are probably still very much mentally disabled, and will need help all their life.
>>750017No, you take the autism test and a specialist will diagnose you if you have it.
why is autism such a meaningless term nowadays, 90% of people who use it on the internet just mean "you like consuming commodities more than i do"
>>750040>on the internetyeah i guess i answered my own question, but you do see it being used in said way in real life aswell by most people
>>750040Because it gives people a “tribe” to belong to as IRL communities start to whither.
>>750002No, because autistic people never articulate what they actually want.
>>750044I'm in both pictures and I don't know what to feel about it
>>750044i was autism in my teenage years but then became adhd
>>750045I just consider this peace of mind and call it a day.
>>750044That's because you're mentally 12 and can't grasp what a neurotype is.
>>750049>le everyone is le 12pretty sure the people who dont know what a neurotype is are the ones attributing literally anything to autism/adhd and dont know what separates actual symptoms from the many ways a neurotype can manifest 👍
>>750051>>somehow, this doesn't make you a simpletonan autist could be a math genius but not understand vibes
What do you think about the "R-Word." Im not offended by it but I still don't say it because it would upset my mother, She is not autistic but she is a social worker who worked with several Autistic children as well as kids with other disabilities and she really docent like it.
why do autists have the biggest persecution complex out of all the different "neurodivergent" variants? is it because they're all gay nerds?
>>750053yeah its called "idiot savant"
>>750057Ok I don't even know what that means or if this is a meme but at the same time I totally understand the question and you got my ass
t. autist
>>750058calm down rain man
>>750040Because the Psychiastrist associated removed "Aspergers" And made people who are mildly socially awkward the same category as people who can't even talk because of their autism.
>>750044If you like to read, you're autistic
If you struggle to read, you're ADHD
If you're not mentally disabled, then you've never even seen a book in your life.
>>750055Extreme black-and-white thinking, inability to understand nuance, difficulty understanding compromise, "all-or-nothing" mentality, personalizes everything (so, they think others are talking about them even if they aren't), breeding too much into things and seeing things that aren't there, highly contentious attitudes, and huge desire to be in control.
>>750055Because they know they faked their disability trought self diagnosis and don't have actual problems, nobody fakes being Dyslexic or Dyspraxic because they'd have actual issues to deal with, with seemingly no benefit, anyone can fake being autistic because it lets you act like an arse.
Actual autists exists but you rarely see them in those kind of spaces because they're interested in other things, they are special needs.
>>750062this is pretty much what I've assumed is going on but for obvious reasons it's impossible to critique this in any wat whatsoever even while recognizing all the legitimate difficulties autists have functioning in allistic society and stuff they often go through as children without being accused of wanting to literally genocide autists or some shit. ironically, these people are usually the most loyal little uncritical footsoldiers for Anglo-American DSM psychiatry despite its inextricable history of being essentially just eugenics for conditioning out behaviors that aren't useful in a modern liberal state's Professional Managerial Class caste system. if you point any of this out and that people on the "autistic spectrum" (back when being high functioning was called aspberger's) were seen by the literal Nazis as being the best Aryans because their vertical thinking is very useful for authoritarian regimes, it all falls back on the same totally uncritical denial and cope.
and don't even get me started on how "neurodivergence" throws schizophrenics under the bus entirely by being totally incompatible with the empirical fact that schizophrenia manifests itself extremely differently depending on the social context it exists within, because none of this shit is as essentialist as ND people think it is.
>breeding too much into things
damn I wish that was me
(amazing auto correct there)
>>750063I don't think it's necessary to assert that people who have self-DX'd are making shit up because ultimately if you believe you're an autist you will end up becoming one. the human brain is a remarkably malleable system. the problem is more fundamental than gatekeeping who is Really Autistic™ (or insert anything else here) because the whole psychiatric model of consciousness is essentially astrology for midwit failsons with degrees.
>>750066I honestly think it's impossible to fake yourself into any strong form of autism, there clearly are some issues that are from birth, altho, I'm sure that shitty socialisation can cause symtoms similar to lower form of autism, just like Ipad kids have symtoms similar to ADHD
>>750067you go to a medical center to get a diagnosis
>>750063It's more that being autistic TODAY entitles you to not have to play by the rules of the existing society. When I was diagnosed as a kid in the 90s, an autism/Asperger's diagnosis meant you were constantly being poked at and extra-controlled by teachers and child therapists in order to "fix" you so that you could be able to handle a corporate job in the future. Now, an autism diagnosis means you have the right to be a couch potato since "the world wasn't made for autistic folks" (as if capitalism or any system for that matter is being deliberately controlled). Adults in their 20s and 30s all ran out to get an autism diagnosis following covid because they believed it would mean they have permission to relax and be exempt from handling all of the post-pandemic stress.
>>750064>ironically, these people are usually the most loyal little uncritical footsoldiers for Anglo-American DSM psychiatryIt's paradoxical. They base their entire identities around the DSM yet insist the DSM is white supremacist and colonial. Yet, throw out the DSM criteria and you have nothing to differentiate how "autism" is different from "bipolar" or "BPD" or whatever.
>>750070Does an autism diagnosis actually get you anything though?
>>750024 (me)
Wanted to elaborate on this and say that most of what autistic activists claim they want is simply labour and welfare reforms like a UBI (so they don't have to work), guaranteed housing, universal healthcare, cutting the working day from eight hours to five, raising the minimum wage, co-ops that employ only autistic people, that kind of thing. The thing is, nearly all of these proposals have nothing to do with autism, so why demand autistic people be centred? "Autists are the CANARY IN THE COAL MINE!!!" is a fucking retarded thing to say.
I actually asked another autistic woman about what she would want an autistic political program to be. She literally described Sweden just with autistic-only restricted covenants and a less misogynistic healthcare system. Goes to show how these people think.
>>750071You can get on disability but it doesn't pay much. You can also get work and school accommodations.
>>750073>work accommodationsAre these real?
>disabilityAre there really people turning to this as an option unless they're in really bad condition.
>>750074Disability pays you pocket change and you have to prove to the government that you're disabled and incapable of working. Work accommodates are absolutely real and can help you.
>>750075Good to know, I have an unrelated diagnosis already so I may very well use this info in the future.
>>750071In some countries, Companies have quotas for disabled employees, you'd be favored in hiring
>>750077When I was blanket applying to everything I read that this is true for some federal contractors (for now), and state governments, but it hasn't helped any haha. I don't want to distract from the thread so I won't go into any more details of my situation. Thanks for the help though.
>>750080Socialized Autism is 100% a thing.
I used to point this out a lot back in the 2000s. That in nerd/geek groups, you have a high amount of autistics, this means that normies who are socialized into nerd groups, start picking up autistic traits. Speaking too loudly, info dumping, speaking too fast, bad enunciation, argumentative over collaborative, every interaction is a joust over trying to push your view/interests.
It goes back to another point I also make. The friends you make in secondary school/high school are the most important factor in who you turn out as a person. Hang around a bunch of autistic nerds and you will come out with autistic social traits even if you are not autistic, if you are autistic but hang around cool, creative people, you will likely come out cool and creative, I know several diagnosed autistic people who are super charismatic and gregarious, because they aligned themselves with the cool art hoes in school.
Another also is that people are obviously scamming Autism for bennies. But that is a whole other topic, but is pretty rampant here in the UK.
>>750075Here in the UK I have numerous friends who scam benefits with fake disability bullshit and they literally get more than I earn doing full time work+overtime.
Throw on cheaper transport, government covered housing etc they are living a pretty good life for the small effort of having to constantly pretend they are doing badly to GPs.
>>750002The biggest problem I see with autistic people is their tunnel vision. They become so hyperfixated on something that they become unaware of everything else. When I've spoken to autistic people I know about why they think capitalism is innately anti-autistic, they say nearly the exact same things neurotypical workers say, namely that they can't handle all the stress and they see working for a mega corporation that treats them like a number rather than a name as pointless. But they see this as an "autism" thing and not a "capitalism" thing as if they think neurodivergent people are the only ones suffering under capitalism.
>>750080Yes. iPad kids have notoriously bad social skills, don't look people in the eye, need to be constantly stimulated because the iPad gives them an endless stream of dopamine, can't regulate their emotions, have no imagination, have noticeable developmental issues, and so on. iPad kids of today would be considered mentally retarded back in the 90s.
>>750081>Another also is that people are obviously scamming Autism for bennies. But that is a whole other topic, but is pretty rampant here in the UK. It's actually a known fact that rich people are paying big bucks to get their teens diagnosed with autism and ADHD, just so their kids can get all sorts of accommodations at university that they don't need. Because these parents are rich they can pay to doctor-shop until someone gives their kid a diagnosis. It's all so their nepo kids can breeze through university without much effort by claiming disability/neurodivergence.
>>750082A problem with a large part of this is that welfarism and mollycoddling is a huge part of the left these days. Not being "inclusive" to actual retards and disabled people who can't meaningfully contribute anything and accommodating them handicaps the movement more than it helps, is seen as the biggest fucking crime among modern Leftists. Even here on Leftypol, absurd delusional toxic idpol is fine among dysgenic losers, but god forbid you say anything against the "inclusivity" shibboleth or the jannies will come down on your ass.
Being part of the left should be about always bettering yourself and achieving your best. Where most Leftists today use it as an excuse to play victim and justify being a fucking loser.
Imagine if a modern Leftist said this
<More than that. Man at last will begin to harmonize himself in earnest. He will make it his business to achieve beauty by giving the movement of his own limbs the utmost precision, purposefulness and economy in his work, his walk and his play. He will try to master first the semiconscious and then the subconscious processes in his own organism, such as breathing, the circulation of the blood, digestion, reproduction, and, within necessary limits, he will try to subordinate them to the control of reason and will. <Man will make it his purpose to master his own feelings, to raise his instincts to the heights of consciousness, to make them transparent, to extend the wires of his will into hidden recesses, and thereby to raise himself to a new plane, to create a higher social biologic type. - Greater Dynamics Under Socialism 1924He would be pilloried by the modern "muh ableism" inclusivity brigade.
>>750086That's the reason they intentionally seek an autism diagnosis as opposed to bipolar, schizo, BPD, etc. Being autistic means you're allowed to be lazy and insular. So naturally people who are burnt out from post-covid capitalism all want to be labelled as autistic because they think people won't expect much of them and will allow them to relax and be eternal couch potatoes.
>>750086God people on the vid are so retarded, the guy obviously doesn't mean actually disabled people, no one is giving shit about a dude in a wheelchair not working out or something, do these people also lose their mind when a biologist describes humans as being bipedal ?
>>750088wait the video is from 2024 ? What kind of loser was still whining up about Covid in 2024 holy shit,
>>750089I'm starting to understand why all these trotskyists became neoconservative. Leftists are the most obnoxious "people" on the planet
Autism is very real but has been so bastardized by the Internet that it's losing any and all meaning.
That said, I believe that most people would have autists, down syndromes, and most mentally challenged people euthanized if they could get away with it
>>750069we don't even have running water
>>750092The getting a diagnosis is the least of your problems
I wanted to drop in and say I have an autistic child (diagnosed, then diagnosed again with second opinion, a process that took an entire year after daycare workers told us our child behaved differently than most children). I will be avoiding this thread because it is full of various reactionary takes from typical imageboard losers and has only a handful of thoughtful and resourceful posts. This is one of those subjects I don't trust imageboard losers with, not event the "leftist" ones. Thank you for your attention to this largely unimportant, personal, and anecdotal matter!
>>750094Is your sperg kid at least good at something like cello?
>>750094What has your child done to deserve such disgracefull parents ?
>>750094actually one additional follow up before I close this thread forever and don't come back. I won't be biting any bait, so if you see "me" biting bait it's someone else! Thank you for your attention to this largely unimportant, personal, and anecdotal matter!
>>750057Some autistic kids with higher support needs probably stim to it
>>750067Give me the numbers on your moms credit card and if they match with the secret Autism code ill tell you if you have autism
>>749997>AutismLooks like made up crap. Prove autism is real.
Also they combined old autism with Asperger and made up the autism spectrum.
Looks like made up garbage like ADHD.
>>750091>I believe that most people would have autists, down syndromes, and most mentally challenged people euthanized if they could get away with itfetuses with downs syndrome already get aborted moron, and thats a good thing
The only reason autism exists is because of the massive amounts of treats in the first world.
It causes people to isolate with their videogames and computers.
Autism does not exist outside of the first world.
>>750105Mild cases of autism, I'd agree, I think there is a strong social and educational component to it, but for strong cases, they're obviously inborn.
>>750010This proves Autism Spectrum Disorder is made up nonsense.
>B. Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, oractivities, as manifested by at least two of the following,
currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not
exhaustive; see text):
WOW every capitalist and office worker and manager must have ASD!
>Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior,The boss demands you show on time every day this is
>Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior,He clearly has autism.
>Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior,Same for every office worker, member of the military every government worker and anyone working in a corporation.
All of them are autistic! It is an autism epidemic!
>ritualized patterns of verbal … behaviorWOW corporate speak says hello!
Also
>ritualized patterns of verbal … behaviorHmmm looks like every psychiatrist is also autistic as fuck! Tell me what is their inflexible and not normal obsession with only using words from the DSM? CLEARLY all of them have autism.
Same for scientists and every profession.
Also psychiatrists obsession with the DSM is a unusual obsession and is autistic.
Or autism or ASD or whatever they make up tomorrow is bullshit.
>>750085So this is the actual fraud Nick Shirley and Tyler Oliveira should be investigating.
>>750107Does George also have autism?
>>750108you know how symptoms manifest on a person are analyzed holistically, right
>>750018to be able to function like a normal human being while sober
>>750045This picrel seems to describe me
>>750085This should make every leftist fucking livid.
>>750117lmfao
>i learned marxism from tweets and imageboard poststhe relation isnt always 1:1 but marx and engels repeatedly referred to the proletariat as immiserated, reserveless and propertyless :)
>>750118So not a single westerner qualifies
>>750117>>750118for example in capital 3 ch 23 marx basically lays it out managers and supervisors arent proletariat. their whole role exists because of the split between workers and capital, so theyre basically on the opposite side of the proletariat
the petty bourgeois is a constantly decaying class that has very easily spotted positions in society and in industry but pseuds still have democratic brainworms so they pretend the proletariat is "le 99%". its NOT a coincidence they constantly support capital, or at most, welfarist policies! and no, some bullshit about propaganda might explain outliers but its baffingly stupid to pretend it causes a whole ass class to go against their interests
>>750119another retard. a capitalist country literally cannot function without a proletariat. even israel has one
>>750120>Calling the managerial system not proles>Despite the fact they are bound by the same system of waged labour Oh, it's the autism thread
>>750121did you even bother reading both the post and the pages or did your peanut brain compulsively felt the need to react and just spout complete retardation
>CEOs are proletarian, they earn wages!lol genuine mouthbreather here. "wage-laborer" and "proletarian" are not synonyms. someone who earns a salary high enough to begin accumulating assets is obviously not a reserveless wage-laborer in any meaning of the term
>>750117>blue collaryoure the only moron even bringing up those terms. "white-collar" and "blue-collar" are not very useful categories at all. do you think a doctor who earns 300k a year is a proletarian? what about a self employed plumber?
>>750122CEOs possess financial capital, your local Walmart manager does not.
>>750124>ermmmmmmm they own le bad kind of capitalyou literally admit that not all wage earners are proletarians with this statement lmao, exactly bc they own capital (it doesnt matter what kind)
<exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition and the fluctuations of the market" <No profit from any kind of capital<wholly propertylessanyone who believes someone who has a good salary, a home, a nice portfolio (maybe even stock options at their company) fits this is a fucking clown
>>750125>>750126lmfao i dont think you even understand how statistics work at all. proletarians being a minority doesnt mean they dont exist. not everyone who is poor is proletarian either
all developed countries,
including china, have a smaller proletariat but a proletariat nonetheless. whether theyre ""western"" or not is absolutely irrelevant. even under globalized capital every single country needs a proletariat to function
>>750127Nobody who earns more than $8 an hour is proletarian
In the west, those who earn less are lumpen
There are no proletarians in the west
how is this related to the thread
>>749998Call them normalfags or normaltards. That’s the better trem
>>750018We want a society that is not as absurdly complex in social circumstances.
>>750118>marx and engels repeatedly referred to the proletariat as immiserated, reserveless and propertylessThat's an effect, not a cause, one that can be dulled by demsoc reforms. The existence of the labor aristocracy is contingent on this fact.
>>750123>do you think a doctor who earns 300k a year is a proletarian?It depends on the specifics, but if he's employed by a hospital that profits off of his work then yes, absolutely. Skilled labor is still labor. So is intellectual labor. An architect working for a firm is just as much a member of the proletariat as the people laying the bricks.
>what about a self employed plumber?No. He's self employed. He's not being exploited.
>>750044God this is so wrong. Stupid tumblr shit. I have autism and ADD, some of the books I enjoy reading require me to read multiple times over so I can actually pay attention
>>750002Define “autism politics”.
>>750132What is "employment?" Employment is just a relationship between those who own property and those who do not who must sell their labor-power to survive. The exact legal details are irrelevant. Plumbers are still petty-bourgeois but that is because there is no private property withheld to exploit them.
>>750107This kid was based and so was George. Honestly he was the most relatable character.
>>750024RFK and Autism Speaks are open about their agenda to genocide autistic people.
>>750135I didn't say they weren't.
>>750024There is one going on right now in Belgium and Holland. They claim it’s euthanasia and it’s killed possibly thousands.
>>750044This is exactly why we need destroy the bourgeois "science" of psychology.
These disorders have become identities. All shrinks to gulag and anyone that identify as "neurodivergent" straight to gulag
>>750024The autistic genocide is as real as the trans genocide
>>750141People like your are picture proof that internet access should be restricted to people over the age of 18 at the bare fucking minimum.
>>750107Yeah this is what I'm talking about, he's too accurate that's the problem. He has a painfully accurate autism voice and he knows unless facts about random shit, I feel called out and its weirds. Never once have I ever found an autistic character in any movie or tv show THAT IVE SEEN relatable but the one time I do its in a bad way. Go figure.
>>749997>I don't know if this should be in Siberia or not but I guess mods could move it if it doesIt belongs on /lgbt/ because neuronormativity as a system of oppression is actually a type of anti-queerness.
>>750002Autism politics = making autistic traits socially accepted so we can have friends and support in our daily lives without needing to fight for it
>>750141>Prove autism is real.OH SHIT HE GOT US BOYS EVERYONE SCRAM!!!!
>>750147>Autism politics = making autistic traits socially accepted so we can have friends and support in our daily lives without needing to fight for itQuit trying to sabatosh us
>>750150marx had ADHD not autism :D
>>750151Good autism symbol is just whatever niche thing you're into. Trains are a good generalized one.
>>750154How does that work for actually autistic people, not sad pathetic Larpers ?
>>750155a soiled diaper, then
>>750140Hey comrade, show the fucking poof autists are being euthanized en masse in Belgium and the Netherlands.
>>750151Then don't use it.
>>750159ALL MY UYGHAS TANKIES UYGHA SLAVA STALIN
>>750155Only allistics care about "larpers," because the idea that someone would pretend to be autistic without just being unaware they're legitimately autistic is absurd if you think about it for more than 30 seconds.
>>750155>>750161You would have to be autistic to be capable of having such a complicated desire in the first place.
>>750009>AUTISM FROM THE SECOND PERSON PERSPECTIVE<I argue that there are two problematic presuppositions of the conceptualization of autism as a defcit: a neurotypical norm as the natural way social interactions happen (a way that the autist fails to comply with) and a biological dysfunction that causes this failure (which has not been found).>According to these two issues, I propose that autism should not be conceptualized, as it is on the DSM, as a mental disorder of social observation, but instead would be better understood as an alternative cognitive style of social interaction.<If we accept that autism is a cognitive style and not a deficit, and accept SPP as a basic mechanism of belief attribution, and we add our earlier point about how autistic people can understand one another more seamlessly than an autistic and a neurotypical person can understand each other, then we can say that it is not the case that autistic people are incapable of using theory of mind, but that they are prepared to understand a diferent set of gestures, expressions, and avowal expressions than the neurotypical, and therefore there’s not a failure on the part of the autistic individual in a social interaction, but a mismatch of social expectations on the part of both.>From this point I proposed that therapeutic interventions in patients with ASD should follow an externalist path, building cognitive scafolding and facilitating the creation of afordances that allow people with ASD to succeed in the social world, not because they change, but because the world around them accommodates them. >>750164foucault is a better theorist on the disciplining of the mind by the advent of prisons and clinics, which force you to conform. today, anti-conformity can even be its own conformity, as zizek highlights in his notion of the superego; this is also what deleuze describes as a "control society", as opposed to a disciplinary society.
>>750166oh no anon ur doing a heckin' postmodernism! read losurdo and rockhill, u glowfaggot amirite
>>750164>>750166>uhhhh what if we fight faulty science with ideologyno thanks, anti-psychiatry, as in, criticism of psychiatry, has plenty of actual science, no need for philosophical retardation 👍
>>750150>invented leftismfor starters they didnt "invent communism" (
very charitably assuming this is what you meant by "leftism") and communism isnt confined to the left-right dichotomy of bourgeois politics you dumbass pseud
>>750168thinking that foucault does "philosophy" and not historiography proves your ignorance. the idea of "mental illness" comes out of control systems - like how homosexuality was considered a mental illness not too long ago.
>>750170cool, except foucault's history has been demonstrated flawed as fuck long ago lmao
>>750171what? foucault doesnt invent his history, he sees how history develops into various forms of control systems, particular based on regulating our affections toward otherness, which is designated as forbidden. its basic fact. civilisation operates by disciplining our desires to certain productive ends. freud concirs. there is also a certain class element, where the rich are allowed to be uncivilised, such as we see with trump and epstein.
>>750171>>750172Could either of you link to some articles, I wanna follow along your conversation without having to rummage through a search engine.
>>750173as we may read from the preface of madness and civilisation (1961), foucault designates an historical relationship between reason and madness, which begins its proper distinction in the medieval era, up to modernity. he highlights that the antique ὕβρις (hubris) featured as a motif, but as yet was only countered by reason, not by medicine.
in the first chapter, he notes the establishment of "lazar houses" (medieval hospitals) which primarily treated lepers, forming "leper colonies" as a segregated mass (it should be remembered that Jesus interacted with lepers, to include the sick). as foucault writes - in time, leprosy was gone, but the architecture of "treatment" remained:
<Often, in these same places, the formulas of exclusion would be repeated, strangely similar two or three centuries later. Poor vagabonds, criminals, and "deranged minds" would take the part played by the leper, and we shall see what salvation was expected from this exclusion, for them and for those who excluded them as well.these criteria of exclusion becomes formalised as right of separation by the advent of "mental illness" as foucault further states, highlighting the "general hospital" (1656) as part of this architecture, which routinely targeted the poor, such as beggars (this great "confinement" of the poor he notes, in its military ambitions to enslave populations). marx also discusses this in part (capital vol. 1, ch. 28) where the dispossessed where institutionalised as criminals, disciplined by vagabond acts and factory work. thus, the primary exclusion of the sick extends to the poor as disciplinary action in a class society. psychiatry and american chattle slavery emerge around the same time, proving its capitalist essence, as a means to "other" and subject them to "correction" (e.g. conformity to wage labour). as yet, foucault sees how renaissance romance frames a "forbidden" wisom in madness, stained by oblivion (this theme continues today, archetypally). indeed, the sage is mad, like the shaman. Jesus was mad, which is why he was killed.
in the second chapter, he sees how the prior "praise of folly" (1509) is outmoded for systematic "confinement" by the generalisation of medicine in its task to exclude, silence and regulate the other. the general hospital in itself begins as semi-judiciary; as a court with solemn judgement:
<In its functioning, or in its purpose, the Hopital General had nothing to do with any medical concept. It was an instance of order, of the monarchical and bourgeois order being organized in France during this period.these institutions spread all over france. foucault also discusses england:
<In England the origins of confinement are more remote. An act of 1575 covering both "the punishment of vagabonds and the relief of the poor" prescribed the construction of houses of correction, to number at least one per county.the same as what marx describes. these houses of "correction" spread all across europe, as "the great confinement" spread:
<We must not forget that a few years after its foundation, the Hopital General of Paris alone contained six thousand persons, or around one per cent of the population.these are similar numbers to the private prison system of the USA today, which has the largest prison population in the world. foucault further speaks on primitive accumulation:
<In 1532, the Parlement of Paris decided to arrest beggars and force them to work in the sewers of the city, chained in pairs.thus, the punishment for crime was work.
as foucault comments from this chapter:
<Between labor and idleness in the classical world ran a line of demarcation that replaced the exclusion of leprosy. The asylum was substituted for the lazar house, in the geography of haunted places as in the landscape of the moral universe. The old rites of excommunication were revived, but in the world of production and commerce.thus, the confined bear resemblance to the slave, in his manner of "ennoblement"…
so this is a basic introduction to foucault.
hopefully you find curiosity in the content.
>>750173here is another curiosity:
<Penal treadmills were used in prisons during the 19th century in Britain, India, and the United States. In early Victorian era Britain the treadmill was used as a method of exerting hard labour, a form of punishment prescribed in the prisoner's sentence.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_treadmillthis original penal discipline is now the "hobby" of the wage slave, conditioned to his house of torture (e.g. gymnasium) to become more "efficient".
>>750159He’s not autistic but schizo
I just wish autistic people could articulate what they want instead of throwing hissy fits over everything they don’t want.
Most people would be shocked to know how much conformity there is deep down. The thoughts promulgated by culture run on our heads, and produce predictable results. And there's a reason that so many schizophrenics for example have persecutory delusions framed in the context of the dominant system of thought in their culture - attempt to match experience to ideas which don't quite match. A rather old structuralist argument, but there wouldn't even be much of an individual at all once you've taken these things away. It may very well be that a science of madness will one day turn into a science of ideas, and making of systems of thought that can run productively on divergent minds, and convincing others - even the mad. Would these just pose as new hegemonic ideas?
It's interesting to note that the first anti-psychotic what would go onto clear out the asylums was designed as an anesthetic, and dubbed a "pharmacological lobotomy." So as one might have expected the roots of the modern treatment have the same roots in the history. I wonder if at some point things might have qualitatively changed however. If the goal is to make productive members of society, in the economic sense, then it may be that they've not yet succeeded, whereas if it's just to reduce suffering perhaps there has been some success. When I think about someone who went from reading books and writing to not (of course maybe this is flipped), and thinking that every word is bodily, or freaking out when things change, or something like this, I think their might be room for improvement in ideas - at the minimum.
>>750165Don't you mean AN assburgers containment zone
>>750160UYGHA SLAVA STALIN
UYGHA SLAVA STALIN
ALL MY UYGHAS TANKIES
UYGHA SLAVA STALIN
>antipsychiatry
>look inside
>just alternative psychiatry
>>750026can someone respond I actually want a diagnosis
>>750183uygha go to a professional
>>750179>It may very well be that a science of madness will one day turn into a science of ideas, and making of systems of thought that can run productively on divergent minds, and convincing others - even the mad. Would these just pose as new hegemonic ideas?This is what everybody is talking about. Cybernetics, inverted totalitarianism, anal father, whatever you call it, a hegemony that reproduces through self criticism and proliferate the strongest among those who think they oppose the system. Rather than the traditional father that imposed itself through marriage and emanating through linguistic as Levi-Strauss used to describe structuralism no?
>>750002No one cares about "autism politics" except autistic people. Society isn't going to change for 2-3% of the population that virtually has no power.
>>750186Yeah, same with trans stuff, most of what autists are going to be able to get are anti-discrimination mesures and adaptations in certain context, but you're not changing 5000 years of social organisation because a small minority are unhappy with it, beyond that "autism politics" don't really have concret goals from what I see, I have no idea what concrete mesures they want
>>750187There is absolutely nothing that autistic people want that isn't merely basic bitch labour reforms like workplace accommodations. If they think they can have a cultural revolution they will be sadly mistaken.
>>750184no I want an unprofessional diagnosis(don't care to do a full process over several hours just want to get someone else's opinion)
>>750189I diagnose you as a retard
>>750188Even that I'm not sure of what labour accomodations they could get ? Maybe they can choose their hours or something
>>750191Then everyone pretends to be Autistic because Autism is basically at the level of not a real disorder now like ADHD has been watered down too.
ADHD in reality = Serious mental disorder that completely obliterates your memory, stops any ability to work, takes you hours to leave the house due to inability to get things in order, has you end up at a meeting forgetting all your notes, extreme object impermanence, severe addiction issues, severe anxiety issues, constant voices in your head distracting your ability to focus. So bad on average it knocks 20 years off your life expectancy.
ADHD Now = Tee hee If I say I need to watch Tiktok instead of sitting in my boring class, I can get free Amphetamine and extra time on my assignments!
It's the same shit as Autism. Asperger's and Autism should have never been combined, half of the Diagnosed Autists I know are Type A hyper charismatic people with Master level Degrees, like what the fuck is the Autism here? How in fuck are you the same as my friends 23 year old brother who acts like a 5 year old who runs down the street naked screaming at people and talks like a robotic toddler?
Like the blonde bitch here. Come on, okay maybe she has mild sensory issues some times, but she is not the same as the Autists I knew in school in the 1990s who were violent actual retards or my friends bother who is a disturbed 5 year old in the body of a grown man.
"it's a spectrum"
if the spectrum is literal retards vs people who are mildly annoyed by cars revving their engines and crowded spaces then it's a useless diagnostic. The DSM is retarded hyper politicized activist bullshit so It's bizarre people take it as gospel.
>>750189>>750189if 1 autism if 2 no autism:
1d2 = 2 >>750193Two faced dices aren't a thing, you do whats called a coinflip, nerd
>>750002What's the end goal of autism politics? From snooping around autistic forums such as reddit, it seems to me that the two things autistic people demand the most is: 1. everyone accept them for who they "innately" are so they can stim in public and not look people in the eye, and 2. the right to be a couch potato who shouldn't have to work in a system not made for the autistic brain. Neither of these are the least bit radical or revolutionary and neither have a tangible political solution. Neither has anything to do with socialism, as they could just as easily be a reality under capitalism. Hell, once the Democrats start pushing the idea of implementing a UBI 90% of autistic leftists will fold and become Democrats, using the same emotional blackmail to make others vote Democrat. "I NEED a UBI or else I'LL DIE BY SUICIDE since masking is PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE!!!" Pathetic.
>>750192Most level 1 autists will tell you they are disabled because they can't work a real job, since work has become too demanding. But most neurotypical workers will also say work is getting too demanding and soulless, so why is this an autism issue?
Also, one of the psychologists who was behind the merger of Asperger's into the greater ASD umbrella has said she regrets the decision since it's only made things more confusing.
>>750196Not my post, copied from elsewhere, but touches on this
>Every single symptom of autism can exist in non-autist normies. Even in autists it could be that 4/5 symptoms are from autism and the 5th just happens to also be a common symptom but the real cause of it was unrelated to the autism.>For example, let's say we have an autist who checks the "hypersensitivity" symptom mark because they can't stand a lot of clothes fabrics. In reality this individual is allergic to a compound found in most modern clothes and it makes their skin burn and itch when they touch it for prolonged periods of time. It would naturally be assumed to be an autistic trait because of their autism, but the cause was actually something else entirely.>So in theory it is entirely possible for an individual to have any number of autistic traits while not truly being autistic, as autism is a mostly hereditary developmental brain disorder. This is why self-diagnosing isn't ever valid. A regular person just isn't able to discern the differences in these things, and a real autist is worse than average at understanding themselves, especially in comparison to others - it's part of the disorder. We are one of the worst groups at self-diagnosing. It would be like asking a narcissist if they think they're getting more than they deserve, of course they don't think that - it's part of what makes it narcissism. >A typical sign of someone not actually having autism is them not having a close family member who's also autistic (could be undiagnosed or diagnosed with something related like adhd), as the vast majority have at least one autist in their immediate family - parent or siblings.>Lastly I think trauma as a cause for any disorder is often overlooked.Yeah basically, self diagnosing is bullshit and one of the absolute worst things about modern psychology and "Everyone is heckin valid" bullshit.
>>750195The end game should be to cure fucking Autism. It's a disorder and one that ruins many people and their families lives, like my friends brother.
No group I hate more than the "Autism/ADHD/BPD*insert disorder* is heckin valid personality type and who I am and to cure it is an insult, it's not even a disorder it's a super power, I went to Harvard and I have ADHD/Autism and NPD and they actually helped me so how dare you call this a disability, but also you need to give me whatever I want to be a lazy piece of shit or I will die"
Autism, ADHD, Personality disorders, Anxiety disorders etc are a fucking CURSE. No they are not heckin wholesome cute, they ruin hundreds of millions if not billions of peoples lives. This shit is another case of idiot woketard leftists doing the work of Corpos for them. Big Pharma loves this shit instead of just finding a cure.
>>750197Also the dumbest of this i've seen in recent years is "end the stigma" especially in regard to cluster B disorders.
I was watching some "interview with sociopath" and jubilee Sociopath videos and people in the comments are like "omg they are such beautiful souls, we need to end the stigma against them", "wow they are so thoughtful and empathetic, how is anything wrong with them?" "What a find upstanding person they are"
and I watch the video and I see a smug, clearly manipulative sociopath who is manipulating the game/interviewer.
It's ASPD, you do not get an ASPD diagnosis without being a dangerous, manipulative, narcissistic piece of shit. The diagnostic criteria is all awful, terrible stuff. They are not empathetic, they literally have zero to low empathy, IT'S THE FUCKING DISORDER.
I swear to god Mental Health woketards are lambs to the slaughterhouse. As someone who has had to spend a lot of time around Cluster Bs, Bipolars and Schizos, Mental Health stigma exists for a fucking reason, at best it's extremely exhausting to be around at worst, often extremely risky and dangerous and at worst deadly.
>>750198We don't make sociopath like we used to do, back in the day they had to be charismatic cult leaders to get anyone to care for them, nowadays all they have to do is give themselves a fancy title for their illness and you'll have retards loving them.
>>750199>7ft tall world champion jujitsu fighter, successful never caught multi-time bank robber, started the first health food supermarket chain, WW2 marine, charismatic as fuck, literally brought a dead baby back to life in an emergency situation in front of a crowd>Creates cult, spends like 20 years banging hot 18 year olds>Get bored with cult, tells them all "you realize i'm making this all up right? I just wanted to fuck bitches and do cool shit", cult refuse to listen to him and stick around and lead them>Instead he grabs a hang glider, goes up on a cliff during sunset, says "yolo, i'm outta here" and flies off *and crashes and dies*Yep, 100%.
Not related but autism score is very real and the more we deny it the worse things will get
Question for autists on here:
Do you have a job and live alone? If not, how do you survive? If you still live with your parents, what do you plan on doing when your parents get too old and can't take care of you anymore?
Reminder that 90% of serial killers are autists.
>>750205adults who watch cartoons are the last 10%
>>750207Because you have to be a big cunt to fake a disability for attention.
>>750208This is what I meant by reactionary drivel, amongst a bunch of other things. Straight up denying reality.
I never faked anything, instead everyone always bullied me for being different and made sure to tell me how out of place I was everywhere. The "different" things I had in me since I was a god damn toddler fit with every descriptor of autism and I was diagnosed as one. I've been treated like shit by even my own family my whole life and then even the people supposed to be conscious and against chauvinism and whatnot are as reactionary and cruel as everybody else on this specific topic. Crazy stuff.
>>750209You should hate your parents for having raised you like shit and made you believe in this nonsense then, you are not autistic, you have never been, real autism are the people who can't speak or who can barely speak, you can have a close to normal life and your parents prefferred thinking you were sick then accept your personality.
>>750207don't listen to anyone here. most of them decided between coming here or becoming a neo-nazi incel and decided that not affording rent was slightly more important to them than never getting pussy
>>750202No, no. Neetbux. I'll figure it out.
>>750202I plan on living with my sister.
>>750213and then people wonder why abortion rates are so high
>>750215I liked watching House at the gym when I used to go many years ago. That's the only place I would really watch it at.
>>750164was the gay porn wojak neccessary
why is this thread in the main board
>>750217cant believe theres mongoloids masturbating to fucking soyjaks man we are so cooked
>>750219honestly at this point i feel like people wanking their shit to wojaks is pretty tame
>>750220its like jerking off to emoji
>>750221What if the emoji is arousing though?
>>750202I work part-time and I’m looking to move in with roommates who can tolerate my autistic traits as soon as I’m able to.
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