/siberia/ - Off-topic

Holy fuck can't you uyghas stop it with the incel shit?

>>755011
anon we're on siberia, the designated dumpster board. most users on this site are men between the ages of 18 and 39 that are lonely and have low attention from women so you're gonna get a lot of incel threads. don't like it? go to reddit.

>>755011
That's very undialectical of you to ignore statistics and facts
Liberal

Thats because a lot of asian men also want to get a white woman, which they view as the ultimate status symbol

>>755016
the statistics indicate the rates of asian male x white woman marriages are much lower for literally every group of asians. ironically koreans are the lowest, at only 15% of korean men marrying a white woman.

Libertarians

>>755018
Well whether they are actually successful in getting a white woman is another matter entirely. I'm talking about how the community in general views marring a white person

>>755020
I don't think that's a particularly fair assessment to just say "both asian men and women fetishize white people" since it doesn't explain why they do it or why asian women are so much more successful at it.

We should be discussing things like the racial elements of class and how non-white women consider dating white guys to be the modern equivalent of marrying into nobility, because of all the privilege you and your children will be afforded just by association. The "Just Be White" theory of inceldom really does hold true, and it's pretty disastrous for class/racial solidarity. As a non-white man, why would you ally yourself with white men knowing they are the primary beneficiaries of the current system? And if you bring it up they just accuse you of being a bitter incel because they don't want to acknowledge their own privilege. Pretty fucked up yo.

Marriage in a lot of the world is still more motivated by economics than love

looking at that chart, white genocide is winning, lmao

not every couple cares to get married; it’s an outdated institution that shackles rather than strengthens a relationship, as is typical of any bourgeois social relation.

>>755049
marriage stats probably aren't meaningfully different from dating stats as a whole so idk what value this argument has. like, is the implication that people who want to get married are more likely to marry white guys, while people who don't are more likely to date other races? thats kinda odd.

>>755045
yeah, it's interesting how even in liberalism's "enlightenment values" marriage is still just the same as it always was, a means of class mobility for women and sexual colonization for men.

theyre sort of the gusanos of gender. harry you were wrong its ASIAN women who are bourgeois

What kind of "white"?

I find it interesting that Cambodian men prefer Filipinas while Cambodian women prefer Vietnamese.

>>755010

Part of the reason, for Chinese women at least, is the high rate of adoption by White parents. I've met so many Chinese girls with white families.

>>755010
This is western Asians only, there is more white people in general over there.

>>755049
Not really, I mean marriage is a outmoded bourgeois institution but it does externalise what people idealise in a relationship. No one wants to sacrifice and invest in another person only then for them to leave, not necessarily financially but through emotional/mental labour and time.

>>755203
materialist explanation for this? are the cambodians picking filipinas for similar reasons to yt people picking filipinas? and what differences do they have. also viet order brides??

>>755289
It's probably a California thing honestly. I think most Cambodians in America live in California and they live close to Filipinos and Viet people. Also look at the graph and it shows that Cambodian men choose Hispanics as their 2nd largest marriage group and Hispanics/Mexicans are the largest ethnic group in California.

>>755295
I meant Cambodian females tend to choose Hispanic males

>>755305
>nooo you can't talk about statistics thats sexist
this is so dumb. everything has a materialist explanation. confront it directly instead of hiding behind "idpol" seethe.

>>755319
Why is it then that every thread on here with stats is about sex and sexual preferences?
And a lot of these statistics models for said sex subjects are questionable at best.

Also, the fact you didadain.me for calling OP "idpol" just proves my point.

What kind of "white"?

>>755322
There are a lot of lonely young men on the internet because the bourgeois consider them to be "surplus males" and they are treated as such. These males have nowhere irl to vent their frustrations and come to places like leftypol and 4chan to cry about their feelings since no one cares irl. It's not complicated.

> 40% of Asian women being married to a White man?
Are there really that many white dudes in asia? Sounds like horseshit to me.

>>755329
It says "across America" at the top of the image.

White?

if I replaced "sex" with "money" in this study no one on leftypol would contest it. Kinda wild what's going on with the sexual market.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/367325876_Sexual_loneliness_A_neglected_public_health_problem

>>755056
>is the implication that people who want to get married are more likely to marry white guys, while people who don't are more likely to date other races?
I mean, this could actually be true tbh. A lot of the "white worshiping asian women" are vietnamese/hong kong/taiwan/south korean gusanos who are also often christian tradlarpers and are proud of being the "model minority".

>>755551
Always was like this, if you're a prole and you are rightoid, then you are just a cuck for porky.

>>755552
you say that as if dating a white guy is like, some white supremacist larp only a small niche of women are engaging in. but every asian girl in my office is dating a white guy except one, and she's an older lady that came from china with her husband in the 90's. if you visit any major city's chinatown/asiantown like half the young asian women will be holding hands with their white boyfriend.

one thing i heard recently is that in asian culture the "conventional wisdom" is if you want beautiful children you need to marry a non-asian. no idea if there's any truth to this both in terms of genetics/beauty and whether it's a real rumor since I don't speak any asian languages.

>>755554
I realize that rightoids are cucks through and through but I kinda wish leftists were more willing to acknowledge the idea of "sexual justice" and the fact wealth is the #1 predictor for passing on one's genes, with dark triad being #2.

>>755555
Must be an american thing, because when I visited a temple for new years eve in Japan most couples were Asian + Asian, then came Asian guys and their import gfs and then funnily enough were two Black guys with their white gf.

>>755558
I do think it's an American thing. Most asians in America are not immigrants but 2nd or 3rd gen Asian-Americans.

>>755561
I have a feeling that America is like a gusano magnet, which was proven by two Latino ICE agents killing that random guy for conceal carrying and burger twitter jacking off to it

>>755555
>you say that as if dating a white guy is like, some white supremacist larp only a small niche of women are engaging in
The thing is, the majority of asian immigrants to america are from hong kong, taiwan, gusanos fleeing south vietnam, etc. And even when they aren't full-on Christian tradlarp white supremacists, they are inclined to… subconscious white supremacy, let's say that.

If you've ever met the average Hong Konger who "fled the CCP" and thinks "it was better under Britain", you'd understand. Most are liberals who talk about free speech and democracy and wouldn't openly call themselves white supremacist, but nonetheless there's a reason they worship British-era rule despite the fact that the British made Chinese second class citizens. I attached a pic to show one such example of a Hong Kong gusano.

>one thing i heard recently is that in asian culture the "conventional wisdom" is if you want beautiful children you need to marry a non-asian.
Yeah I have never heard of this in China. And I highly doubt it happens in South Korea or Japan either considering they're known for xenophobia. It's just internalized white supremacy of the diaspora - after all, you never see them celebrate half-black or half-indian mixed children.

>>755557
>wealth is the #1 predictor for passing on one's genes, with dark triad being #2.
Looksmaxxers are so retarded that they'd call it "betabuxxing" lmfao

>>755563
according to that chart the gusanoness is not evenly distributed tho. pakistani women still overwhelmingly only marry pakistanis. I'm sure if arabs were included that would look the same. if you actually looked at every race on there and compared it to a map of US foreign intervention and "gusano refugees" it probably makes a lot of sense.
>Vietnamese
>South Korean
>Japanese
>Laotian
>Filipino
These are all American colonies. Chinese women are an exception but I am guessing that it's because they don't separate Taiwan/Hong Kong and PRC. Taiwanese women are obsessed with white guys. It's literally all explained by colonialism.

>>755558
It's purely American statistics. The non-Asian population is probably too insignificant to do these studies in Asian countries.

>>755565
>I attached a pic to show one such example of a Hong Kong gusano.
She's so cute maybe I can fix her

>>755563
100%, with Chinese immigrants it's either purely to make more money or because they're liberal gusanos. And the ones who go to make more money usually have already dated/married in China and return to China with their fortune later in life.

>>755570
Can you pay her more than the glowies do?

>>755573
probably, I'm pretty sure the glowies don't pay her anything gusanos do it for free.

Its funny when you think about it how its all some Burger schizophrenia. For example, if you marry someone from another country in Europe, just that could already be considered social suicide, but people will not know that your partner is foreign as long as they don't speak and accidentally reveal their accent, but if they do, oh boy its over, people will turn from friendly to hostile in an instant. Thats the racism standard, now imagine marrying someone from another continent? Most people will straight up stop talking to you when they see your wife/husband/visibly mixed kid. Thats why most people in Europe that are married with an Asian partner are either New Age Buddhists or far-left. This Burger phenomenon of rightoid+gusano bride would be impossible in Europe, Neonazis would first lmao and then kill both of them on first sight.

>>755565
>And even when they aren't full-on Christian tradlarp white supremacists, they are inclined to… subconscious white supremacy, let's say that.
To expand on this, think about the families originating from former South Vietnamese government/military fleeing defeat in the war, or a former Hong Kong capitalist who misses being a privileged house uyghur under Britain, or a lunatic South Korean evangelical christian. Imagine turbo-reactionary pro-American cucks like that as the parents. The second generation is going to be steeped in that mindset, and even the third generation is going to pick up some of it, even the ones who rebel against their parents by being a less trad liberal or whatever. It's like being raised by Mormons or something, it's hard to really escape that upbringing.

>>755574
May be true though when it comes to "activists" who suddenly get the spotlight and become prominent I always suspect they're on the payroll

>>755575
europeans are kind of just snobby assholes. the american rightoid gravy seal x gusano trophy wife dynamic is just more honest to how human mating practices work. through 99% of human history using intermarriage as a way to develop tribal/family bonds was normal. women marrying into more militarily/socially powerful tribes was a form of tribal social mobility. asian women are just honest about it, they're aware that white people colonized and enslaved their people and instead of fighting it decided they and their children would be better off ingratiating themselves to the colonizers. it's incredibly depressing but people aren't motivated by nationalism or social justice nearly as much as self-interest.

>>755580
Anon, human mating practices in war time are literally stone age rape, then killing the rape victim and genociding the rest of the tribe.

>>755582
I'm aware, that's why we need sexual justice. "Human nature" is just behaving like an animal, even if it does explain certain behaviors we should rise above those behaviors as members of a global society.

How do we get asian gusano women to stop dating white guys though?

>>755584
What do you mean we, and why should we stop them?
If rightoids cry about white genocide, isn't it ironic that their kids are brown?

>>755580
>asian women are just honest about it, they're aware that white people colonized and enslaved their people and instead of fighting it decided they and their children would be better off ingratiating themselves to the colonizers
In my opinion the East Asian ones are not nearly so sensible, East Asian countries are developed enough that they could easily just live in their own country instead and have a better life than living in a country that looks down on them with a husband that looks down on them. They're just mentally brainwashed. After all, gusano ideology is very irrational.

Though for Southeast Asian women what you're saying is true, e.g. the cuckquean filipina wife of that ICE guy, since those countries are still poor.

>>755585
I agree, not that concerned about it since the end result is still a half asian kid no matter how much the white rightoid and asian gusano wish otherwise lmao. White supremacists breeding themselves out because they couldn't resist asian women is ironic and hilarious

>>755585
>>755587
What about the other side of this? Every racist rightoid with an asian wife is taking a potential mate away from someone who isn't a racist rightoid. See >>755551

If gusanomaxxing becomes the norm then we've entered into a point in capitalism where only the capitalists have a opportunity to reproduce and pass on their genes. Letting it play out is not the correct move here. The rightoids are aware of this, the bourgeois are aware of this, they see it as "claiming" these women into their tribal harem and justify it as preventing minorities from breeding with our own women.

Then you end up with brown kids preaching white supremacy and joining ICE so they can terrorize other brown men because they were raised from birth to view brown males as subhuman and undesirable, and the only way to escape their own lack of worth is by proving their loyalty to white supremacy.

My question is, what can even be done that doesn't just turn into publicly shaming people for who they choose to date? Because that's obviously the wrong move. But SOMETHING has to be done to disrupt the monopolization of reproduction into the hands of a few.

I could probably expand even further to say this massive sexual inequality is just a powder keg waiting to explode as "surplus males" with no commitments, nothing worth living for, no children, no wife, no wealth, are getting fed up with the system and just want to see it burn. At first this was just manifesting in incel rage/crashouts like mass shootings, mostly from privileged white kids that "perceived" themselves as victims despite not actually being victims; but lately a ton of actual minority incel communities have started popping up, with the whole "looksmaxxing" fad thats gotten popular among Gen Z. Many of these men are literally resorting to destroying their body in a desperate attempt to reproduce by PRETENDING TO BE WHITE. When that doesn't pan out, what's next? They'll turn their frustrations outwards and destroy the world around them instead while cursing their own birth. Maybe communists can make use of this, idk, but first we'd need a message that resonates with lonely disaffected fighting-age young men instead of just "who cares lol" imo.

>>755589
The rightoid needs to get women from the third world as first world women, so women that have opportunities to get a degree and get her own income, don't want to date somebody that is stuck in 1933. That they are right wing is literally caused by their inceldom.

And the capitalists that stay on top are too racist to racemix, lmao. Just go through Epstein's emails.

>with our own women.
Are you a concern trolling /pol/tard screenshoting your own posts? Most people on /leftypol/ are white, dude.

>>755589
>What about the other side of this? Every racist rightoid with an asian wife is taking a potential mate away from someone who isn't a racist rightoid
Well this damage is still contained to burger society so doesn't matter much o algo asi
>If gusanomaxxing becomes the norm then we've entered into a point in capitalism where only the capitalists have a opportunity to reproduce and pass on their genes
*In America, not the rest of the world, which may be a good thing actually as it encourages less privileged men in America to try and upend the system. Even the self-hating men who join ICE may eventually, due to being disadvantaged in dating just for not being white, realize that changing the existing system by force would be better for them.
>I could probably expand even further to say this massive sexual inequality is just a powder keg waiting to explode as "surplus males" with no commitments, nothing worth living for, no children, no wife, no wealth, are getting fed up with the system and just want to see it burn.
Precisely lol, this is going to have atrocious outcomes for American society to the point where they probably will wish that they didn't push white supremacy. I love seeing the imperialists reap what they sow.
>Many of these men are literally resorting to destroying their body in a desperate attempt to reproduce by PRETENDING TO BE WHITE
Hispanics try not to wish they were castizo challenge. Their kids will still look like the original them lmao
>When that doesn't pan out, what's next? They'll turn their frustrations outwards and destroy the world around them instead while cursing their own birth. Maybe communists can make use of this, idk, but first we'd need a message that resonates with lonely disaffected fighting-age young men instead of just "who cares lol" imo.
Nah, the social fabric of America is already approaching the breaking point, directing the resentment of the lower classes at each other has worked wonders for preserving the capitalists' power but it still has consequences for the stability of their imperial core. This could be what causes the tipping point. I hope the fighting age young men understand they can only gain better conditions by seizing them with violence, and fight. And then the very heartlands of the empire collapse from within.

You might not like this outcome, but men who, as you say, curse their own birth, are too mentally ill to be salvaged by rational arguments from communists anyways. The reality in America is most people are either too stupid or dogmatic to really be reasoned with and these gusanoids need to deal with their self hatred on their own. I don't think we can do anything anymore but flee America, for those that live there.

>>755591
>Are you a concern trolling /pol/tard screenshoting your own posts? Most people on /leftypol/ are white, dude.
I'm not white though? Why does it matter what the average leftypol user is?

>That they are right wing is literally caused by their inceldom.
Leftists aren't really having any more sex than rightoids. Right-wing people tend to have more kids too. It's not like they're going extinct any time soon or struggling to find mates, since they tend to control most of the country's wealth. Yes, white women don't want to date a nazi, but these same white women are still benefiting from nazi ideology. They just don't date nazis because nazis tend to be manchildren, and abusive towards women, independent of the fact they're racist.

It's actually kind of exhausting trying to argue with women about their dating preferences being intrinsically tied to racism and class warfare. Somehow they all seem to think they just completely independently have a fetish for tall white guys that work in finance and either vote blue no matter who or have insanely racist views but "keep it to themselves". The fact even these extremely chudded ICE goons all have equally racist latina wives while the average brown latino GenZ man struggles to find a mate is not a good situation for humanity.

We can frame it as "oh nooo these guys have to uh…settle for a BROWN woman" but really who are you fooling? They still pass on their genes, they still have a mate, they still get all the psychological benefits of having a mate, while the lonely left-wing dude that considers himself "too virtuous" to import a gusano wife still dies alone with crippling mental illness. There's no justice in this world.

>>755594
I will also add that another option for Chinese men in particular is to just move back to China for better conditions, if this happens enough that the flow of migration from China to America reverses, China will essentially be brain draining America whose academic, medical and tech sectors are going to suffer immensely as a result.

>>755594
>You might not like this outcome, but men who, as you say, curse their own birth, are too mentally ill to be salvaged by rational arguments from communists anyways.
In general I hate this argument that leftist use to justify not trying because "x group is already unsalvageable because of y." It comes off like these people were just born broken, as that's the only possible way this logic holds true. Like, even if we accept the average Gen Z brownoid is completely hopeless, what about their younger siblings? what about the people around them that are just on the fence and being constantly exposed to this doomer white supremacist ideology in their community? Apply this same thinking to any other group leftists consider "hopeless" like /pol/tards, incels, MAGA voters, TERFs, etc and I think it's pretty obvious that we should still take a stand and formulate a proper counter to the fascist propaganda even if you think it's "hopeless". Giving them free rein to preach their insanity and spread like a virus is just gonna further the cultural divide.

>>755595
Political opinions are not genetic, its just gonna be more brown people walking around. The US is already only 38% white, and that is before the huge number of boomers are gonna die off, Gen Z is like barely white. A look into a mirror is much more powerful than the phone propaganda slop machine.

>>755595
Also left-wingers are left-wing because they have easy access to pussy lmao, no need to fantasize about tradwives when you've got a normal sex life

>>755595
>We can frame it as "oh nooo these guys have to uh…settle for a BROWN woman" but really who are you fooling? They still pass on their genes
Regardless, most of America will inevitably end up being mixed(probably mostly with hispanics), and white supremacism won't be viable anymore with whites being a small minority. They claim to care about the "white race"(pseudo category) but are destroying it themselves for their own self-interest in having sex lmao. Not to mention that all the lonely latino/left wing dudes are gonna have a lot less to lose, and be much more inclined to carrying out the assassinations rightoids complain about so much… The point is that the outcome of this is going to be self-destruction, and then the global south can build up on America's ashes.

>>755599
>Political opinions are not genetic
Class politics is though actually. Well, I don't have studies proving this but rich people will have rich children, privileged people will have privileged children, etc. When people post those silly charts about Gen Z being more liberal than their parents, it's mostly on topics that are barely relevant to their life, or because affordability has made their meager family wealth actually not enough to live comfortably. But like, a billionaire's kid is gonna vote for low taxes and fascism 99% of the time unless they got disinherited. A rich hapa guy with a white father and asian mother is usually just gonna copy their politics due to not wanting to lose the white privilege his mother gave him, or the wealth his father gave him.

>>755601
This is so far from the truth it's insane lol. No one is having sex in my left-wing groups except the trans women lmao. Leftists in America are too depressed and neurotic to form meaningful relationships I feel like. But I hope I'm wrong and just living in a bubble.

>>755597
>In general I hate this argument that leftist use to justify not trying because "x group is already unsalvageable because of y." It comes off like these people were just born broken, as that's the only possible way this logic holds true.
No, not born that way, just too deeply indoctrinated, and probably also not educated enough to change their views based on logic, as is typical of rightoids.
>Like, even if we accept the average Gen Z brownoid is completely hopeless
Didn't say that, just talking about the self-hating gusanos.
>we should still take a stand and formulate a proper counter to the fascist propaganda even if you think it's "hopeless". Giving them free rein to preach their insanity and spread like a virus is just gonna further the cultural divide.
See, I think that the fascism growing in America is self-destructive, due half of America being non-white, half of America being liberals/"leftist"(as in Democrats) on social issues, and American fascists like Trump tending to be stupid and incompetent. I think the growing cultural divide is a good thing because it pushes America closer to collapse and possibly civil war. Most people here probably agree with you though, I'm just accelerationist when it comes to America.

>>755603
>Class politics is though actually.
Rightoids are not rich, proven by the simple fact the the capitalist class is less than 0.1% of the population while atleast 50% is rightoid.
>This is so far from the truth it's insane
According to statistics, centre-left people are the most well adjusted next to centrists, far-rightists have double the number of mentall illness rate than far-leftists

>>755599
Yep, that's why white supremacism in America is doomed, not to mention hilariously destructive to American society.

>>755603
>Leftists in America are too depressed and neurotic to form meaningful relationships I feel like
Meaningful relationships != have sex, they're definitely less inclined to marriage or procreation but I think they have sex more than far-righters. Perhaps still less than "normal" moderate-right men though.

>>755602
>Regardless, most of America will inevitably end up being mixed(probably mostly with hispanics), and white supremacism won't be viable anymore with whites being a small minority.
That's not at all how racial supremacy ideology works. In early Roman times they thought breeding with germanic tribes was akin to fucking your dog, then eventually as more Roman soldiers started bringing home their Germanic rape victims as slavewives it became normalized. Eventually the Germanic tribes completely overran Rome and replaced it. Nowadays Germans are the prototypical "aryan european ubermensch" in the nazi's eyes, and being German means you're a pureblooded White Man. They larp as Romans despite being the descendants of the "brown" invading tribes that "destroyed Roman civilization". The same exact thing will happen with the mixed brown/white children in America. You already have a huge uptick in white nationalist Latino men who think their 5% Spanish heritage makes them white. Look at Nick Fuentes lmao.

>>755606
>According to statistics, centre-left people are the most well adjusted next to centrists, far-rightists have double the number of mentall illness rate than far-leftists
center-left is like standard Labor/DemSoc, not actually Left-wing. And if you're using American statistics it's even further to the right. I won't contest the fact the far-right is significantly more mentally ill than the far-left though. I think most left-wing people can maintain a "normal" relationship if they actually get the opportunity, while right-wingers will self-destruct and crash out over their politics constantly. Leftist men just don't get many opportunities to date. I'm not exactly meeting any single (cis) women that are looking for a relationship at DSA.

>>755608
>I think they have sex more than far-righters. Perhaps still less than "normal" moderate-right men though.
Pretty much. Centrists/normies are the most sexually active group while Leftists probably fuck quite a bit less than them but still more than rightoids by virtue of their politics not involving enslaving, murdering, and raping women. Someone like Musk or Epstein probably has more kids than 99% of left-wingers though. The top 1% of far-right have more sex than anyone on the left since they control all the resources.

>>755609
The funny thing is, both Musk and Epstein have deformed penises, so they are physically unable to perform, thats why both were, and are, obsessed with artificial insemation.

>>755609
>You already have a huge uptick in white nationalist Latino men who think their 5% Spanish heritage makes them white. Look at Nick Fuentes lmao.
The thing is, actual Europeans will continue to exist in Europe and will ensure latinx LARPers continue to look like a joke. A hispanic white supremacist America would be the laughingstock of the world.
>Someone like Musk or Epstein probably has more kids than 99% of left-wingers though. The top 1% of far-right have more sex than anyone on the left since they control all the resources.
TBH I don't consider guys like that as far right, porkies like that are not exactly ideologues, just self-interested capitalists who may sometimes toy with white supremacist ideas.

>>755608
Imagine believing all this idpol

>>755584
Man is not above the animals