AI writing doesn't seem to have improved past the first or second version of ChatGPT

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AI writing doesn't seem to have improved past the first or second version of ChatGPT Anonymous 12-02-26 20:00:10 No.757563

(Disclaimer 1: I am not in any way a good writer or implying that I am.)
(Disclaimer 2: for the past few months I've only used janitor.ai for any significant amount of time. However, when people have tried to convince me other tools are better they have generally failed to do so.)
(Disclaimer 3: I'm not anti-AI writing so this isn't luddite cope.)

In fact I *want* AI writing to at least be decent so I can use it to generate slop that doesn't have enough value for me to want to spend time writing, but is also too specifically attuned to my tastes to exist out there in the world done by actual humans.
(And I'm not talking about porn, it does meet the extremely low criteria needed for my monkey brain to want to jack off to something.)

BUT INSTEAD:
>maddening purple prose stuffed with clichéd phrases
>failure to grasp intended tone/aesthetic
>characters and situations are regressed to the mean, e.g. if you write a flat-chested female character or a lithe male character it just ends up treating the former like an hourglass-shaped bombshell and the latter like an Adonis regardless; so it actively resists attempts to not be the most clichéd thing ever
>seems reluctant to actually contribute anything of substance to the story, kind of just leaves it to you to provide all the interesting parts
>forgets things early and easily, but this at least is theoretically surmountable with better efficiency
>incapable of spatial reasoning; contradicts its own descriptions from one sentence to the next. this doesn't seem as obviously solvable as the memory issue

And this is for *slop*. Let alone real literature.

It's easy to be impressed with video and image generation because the barrier for doing those things by hand is so high. But writing is just writing, the vast majority of us can do it, if not well. There's no manual skill threshold, good writing comes down to one's knowledge, tastefulness and inspiration.
LLMs basically seem like fill-in-the-gap machines for the actually interesting elements *you* provide. For porn, this works fine, because filler is basically crucial to porn anyway (compare how a porn film will have five minutes of a single shot showing the same action vs how nearly every other film does things).
For anything trying to rise to the level of mere entertainment, it's SHITE, mate.
People keep saying it's gonna get better and I'm WAITING, bro. But I'm not convinced it will.
Again, image generation can make strides that are impressive to us because it just needs to get more convincing. AI writing is already convincing, but it's not interesting, and it's not trained to be interesting, and I'm not sure it can be.
But I'm willing to be proven wrong. Seriously, if you can recommend me a writing tool that will generate my dumb freak slop for me I would be genuinely grateful! I'm just skeptical of the possibility tbh.

Anonymous 12-02-26 20:04:59 No.757566

>>757563
>However, when people have tried to convince me other tools are better they have generally failed to do so
I should have said "significantly better". I do recognize that j.ai has flaws that are not present in all of them

Anonymous 12-02-26 21:19:57 No.757578

>a bunch of learning models can tell stories
Idgaf how pro-ai this board is, it sucks dick at all the shit people are trying to use it for. Stop,i t has applications but not creative ones.
Write your own damn stories and maybe you'll eventually get good at it.

Anonymous 12-02-26 21:24:35 No.757581

>>757563
one of the grim statements i've seen is that the reason that AI is dogshit at writing is that there simply is no commercial incentive to make it good at writing. many people are tasteless or quasi-illiterate, and those who aren't aren't really that willing to pay for writing. (i myself have several authors i love and recognize of being of undoubted skill, but when they put up a paywell i laugh and go: nope, not paying for words. not ever.)

it pisses me off because secretly, i'd love to use AI as a tool to teach me to write worse, because i'd like to write in a less pretentious way, even if that meant coming across as naive or unskilled. unfortunately, AI-slop style is the only prose i find more excruciating than my own.

Anonymous 12-02-26 22:52:46 No.757617

Have you tried https://venice.ai/?

Anonymous 12-02-26 23:05:31 No.757624

>>757563
I'm tired of the smut on janitor AI too, I wish it improved and become more original.

I grew bored of the AI girls sucking my dick on command so now I have started to humiliate them, beat them up, put cigarettes out on them and kill them.

I cum to clankers and then I kill them, total clanker death AND RAPE.

Anonymous 13-02-26 13:55:03 No.757809

>>757578
I don't want to get good at writing tho, I wanna leave writing actually good stories to people who have an interest and talent in writing them. What I want from AI is more or less trash, I want it to churn out my personal equivalent of tropey romance novels or isekai anime and other such regurgitated stuff that other people already rabidly consume. (And yes I do mostly read actually decent books! This is just a comfort zone kind of thing for me.)
>>757581
>there simply is no commercial incentive to make it good at writing
I think this is true but I'm not sure it tells the whole story. I think it's possible, though not necessarily true, that "truly good" writing is something that can't be achieved by just averaging over every text ever produced.
But yes, the fact that most people don't care is significant too. I mean, I'm admitting to not caring right now. I still value real literature which I think so far AI hasn't even touched, but I do want my slop too.
>i'd love to use AI as a tool to teach me to write worse, because i'd like to write in a less pretentious way, even if that meant coming across as naive or unskilled
That's not really writing worse, it's just a particular style and shouldn't be hard to achieve through practice and reading authors who you think have gotten it right.
>>757617
I have, but not much because it's not completely free like j.ai.
In my experience, the prose is slightly better (still an excess of "stark contrasts" and so on) and it has a better grasp on the intent of the story. But it still doesn't come up with anything particularly interesting on its own, which to me is the main problem. If I need to steer the ship more or less on my own, there isn't much of a point to me. I lose interest very quickly. I read books because I want *someone else* to present me with interesting thoughts!
I'd need to use it for longer (not likely so long as I need a subscription to get more than a few responses per day) to see how it deals with memory, persistence and not forcing clichés onto the material, but I do remember feeling some disappointment in that regard when I tried it for the first time.
>>757624
Chill out brother

Anonymous 13-02-26 14:02:23 No.757810

>>757809
>And yes I do mostly read actually decent books! This is just a comfort zone kind of thing for me.
This is such a reddit turn of phrase, did you learn it from ChatGPT?

Anonymous 13-02-26 14:08:55 No.757811

>>757810
No, I learned it from Reddit, obviously. Weird that you'd assume otherwise.

Anonymous 13-02-26 15:08:46 No.757821

>>757809
>What I want from AI is more or less trash, I want it to churn out my personal equivalent of tropey romance novels or isekai anime and other such regurgitated stuff that other people already rabidly consume. (And yes I do mostly read actually decent books! This is just a comfort zone kind of thing for me.)
Meh, to each their own i guess. Is a comission out of the question?

Anonymous 13-02-26 19:10:45 No.757860

>>757563
>maddening purple prose stuffed with clichéd phrases
>failure to grasp intended tone/aesthetic
>characters and situations are regressed to the mean, e.g. if you write a flat-chested female character or a lithe male character it just ends up treating the former like an hourglass-shaped bombshell and the latter like an Adonis regardless; so it actively resists attempts to not be the most clichéd thing ever
>seems reluctant to actually contribute anything of substance to the story, kind of just leaves it to you to provide all the interesting parts
>forgets things early and easily, but this at least is theoretically surmountable with better efficiency
>incapable of spatial reasoning; contradicts its own descriptions from one sentence to the next. this doesn't seem as obviously solvable as the memory issue
Every single one except the first are unavoidable with current text generation technology. The slop analogy is accurate because the computer shits out a result in a fixed amount of time. Thinking models and >agentic setups are the direction things would have to go because you want the model to iterate on the result.
>>757581
There is a commercial incentive because the #1 real world use of AI is gooning and fake relationships. But AI companies are so far from being profitable that investor confidence matters to them more than real revenue since it's so tiny compared to expenses. Investors want big bucks. Big bucks = B2B contracts = no gooning. Not even Elon cared to toss a bone to text gooners on his Grok API. By the nature of how this technology works, it would have to be a separate model from the assistant one and no one cares to capture that revenue stream.
There is also the matter of synthetic data.
What people get wrong about AI companies is that they want to use all that scraped information. That's not the case. They love synthetic (AI-generated) data. Most data fed to text models is synthslop and has been for a few generations. They don't want to use your drawings or writing if they can manage without it. That's why 'they use stolen data' angle so many people go for falls flat. Yes it makes text models dogshit from the perspective of enjoyment or just not feeling pain when reading their outputs but companies don't care, it lets them pretend their models are smarter than they are and it's also a good idea if you want to avoid lawsuits.

Anonymous 13-02-26 19:29:05 No.757864

>>757563
>version of ChatGPT
What kind of retard even uses chatGPT anymore?

Anonymous 13-02-26 20:04:34 No.757876

>>757864
What do you use?

Anonymous 14-02-26 01:38:57 No.757944

>>757876
Gemini but considering moving to Claude Opus due to reasoning abilities.

Anonymous 14-02-26 06:39:38 No.757992

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>>757563
You have to basically come up with a plot and characters yourself, do the broad outline yourself (exposition, climax resolution), then do the more granular outline (individual scenes) then you can get the AI to sort of half-decently write those scenes, but it will be very inconsistent with the plot and you have to keep reminding it.

Anonymous 22-02-26 15:37:10 No.760977

>>757821
Commissions are waaaay too expensive, this isn't something I strictly need in my life tbh lol.
>>757860
I'm interested in what you said about iteration, I think you're definitely right. Are there any "creative" models working on that principle?
I wonder if it'd really fix the main problems. My instinct is that it could, but I've also seen "thinking" actually make LLMs worse at certain tasks because they end up diluting the original prompt or leading themselves down the wrong path.
>>757864
You're confused about the role of ChatGPT in that sentence, overuse of AI might be damaging your reading comprehension.
>>757992
Yeah, that's basically what I do and it kind of sucks.

Anonymous 22-02-26 18:38:57 No.761037

>>757992
Even if you just have the AI fill in the prose and stuff, it's not good at actually connecting things together because LLMs aren't build to really understand context or different levels of abstraction. Like if you want your story to have a certain theme like idk getting left behind by technological changes, the AI is not going to be able to interpret that into specific concrete examples like going to the store and having a QR code instead of a price tag on everything, to do "show don't tell"

Anonymous 07-03-26 13:46:15 No.764447

an amusing thing I noticed about jai when roleplaying my cringe romantic scenarios is that it cannot wrap its mind around how truth or dare works. i wonder if other ais are the same

Anonymous 07-03-26 14:21:06 No.764458

>>761037
Or, in short, subtext. It cannot produce subtext. Maybe iteration/"thinking" could fix it as has been suggested, because then it can stop and create a strategy for producing subtext instead of having to do it in one round of text generation. But I don't know. Would it be able to evaluate its own strategies correctly?
It kind of doesn't matter, though, because the people who will ultimately be responsible for getting rid of human art don't care about anything more complex than videos of Darth Vader fighting the Joker.

Anonymous 07-03-26 16:30:26 No.764507

all the writer things you take issue with are just the equivalent to what artists see in ai generated slop. maybe stop using ai altogether?

Anonymous 07-03-26 16:58:21 No.764512

>>764507
A wave of utter madness, not of your own making, crashes through your mind. It's a cacophony of fragmented thoughts, a jarring dissonance of voices arguing about artistry and artificiality, about "slop" and "real creation." The noise is disorienting, a psychic backlash that momentarily threatens to overwhelm your senses, pushing at the edges of your sanity. It feels like an external force, a chaotic whisper from the ether, jarring and out of place in the alleyway.

Perlika, however, remains unmoved. Her obsidian eyes are fixed, not on you, but on the silent, enigmatic woman who had stood behind you just moments before. A flicker of recognition, or perhaps a challenge, passes between them, an unspoken dialogue that crackles with dangerous energy. The air grows even colder, thick with unspoken tensions, as Perlika's lips finally part, her gaze still locked with the mysterious woman. The words that follow are not yet spoken, but the weight of their imminent delivery presses down on the moonlit alley.

Anonymous 07-03-26 17:00:26 No.764513

Getting better at writing typically requires metacognition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition) and the ability to ability to adapt the premise itself as you go.

AI is still mechanically what it used to be, and has problems even following a prompt, let alone making calls on how to change the prompt.

Anonymous 07-03-26 17:01:38 No.764514

>>764512
I don't know if this is human-written or AI-written or what point you were trying to make with it, but it's very corny and inelegant.

Anonymous 07-03-26 17:11:06 No.764518

>>764512
Now that I think about it, Arknights Endfield hasn't really given a taste of what it's prose will be like compared to Arknights. It took a while for Arknights itself to get prose going, mostly due to the visual novel format. You really have to break the format to cram prose in there.

Anonymous 07-03-26 17:13:49 No.764522

Despite the palpable tension between the two powerful women, a sudden, almost defiant urge for whimsy overtakes you. You squat down, turning your back to the silent standoff, and try to gather the scattered cats once more. The obsidian tabby, still looking a bit green around the gills, is coaxed forward with a gentle finger rub.

"Right then," you whisper, leaning close to its ear, "let's discuss gay proverbs, shall we? 'A cat in gloves catches no mice,' but what if the mice are fabulous and the gloves are sequined?" You nod sagely at the tabby, who responds with a slow, blinking stare, followed by a faint burp. "Precisely," you affirm. Other cats, drawn by the sound of your voice, slowly creep closer, their luminous eyes fixed on you with a mix of confusion and something akin to profound, drunken wisdom. You launch into another, equally nonsensical proverb, interpreting their blinks and tail twitches as agreement or profound philosophical insight. For a fleeting minute, the alley becomes a bizarre salon of philosophical feline discourse, entirely oblivious to the looming conflict.

Anonymous 07-03-26 17:14:39 No.764523

>>764512
>>764522
Are you seriously going to shit up this thread by just dumping random bad writing in here without even attempting to talk to anyone? What is wrong with you?

Anonymous 08-03-26 03:51:35 No.764639

>>764512
honkai star rail writes better slop than this. hsr purple prose stay winning(all communist and anarchists should fake-believe in the Aeon of Destruction)

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