Feminists say to just treat women the same as you would men, and I've done that my whole 30 years of life and never been seen as even a potential partner. But it seems like men that are just nakedly exploitative and abusive can cycle through women on a weekly basis if they want to. So what is my actual, material, non-moralistic incentive to treat women as equal? Because it increasingly feels like I'm just sacrificing my own self-interest for a bunch of women who would never want anything to do with me in the first place.
>>762284Well it seems like an overwhelming majority of men get nothing but rewarded for being misogynist
>>762286Yeah but I feel like Leftists should be better about this. We took "No Idpol" but turned it into "Do Idpol but reactionary" and now this board is filled with MAGA-Communists
>>762287But answer the question. Outside of moralism, what is the actual material incentive? It seems like the majority of women actually just prefer gender roles in which they're basically property with some autonomy.
>>762288I mean they don't say it out loud or want it to be acknowledged generally, but that seems to be how they actually want the dynamic to work.
>>762288>But answer the question. Outside of moralismThere really isn't one other than the fact that Women tend to do better when they are not mistreated, but ignoring the fact that not mistreating Women is simply the compassionate thing to do makes you what they call "A dickhead."
>It seems like the majority of women actually just prefer gender roles in which they're basically property with some autonomy.I doubt that but even if that was the case I would want to keep Women's rights for the minority of Women, if some Women want to be treated like objects then they can tell us to treat them as such, just don't make it the other Women's problem too.
>>762292But like, how does it benefit me? I don't care if I'm a "dickhead"
The majority of women seem fine with gender roles, they want it obfuscated enough that they don't have to think about it, but ultimately they seem to want to reproduce a dynamic that places them as submissive to their partner. How exactly does opposing gender roles or treating women like they're actually equal benefit me in the slightest when it's not actually what most women want?
>>762283>Feminists say to just treat women the same as you would menthis is the most laughable shit ever, men get treated like dogshit
>But it seems like men that are just nakedly exploitative and abusive can cycle through women on a weekly basis if they want to.i'm saying this as a gay guy: people attracted by men get turned on by being bullied by them. like don't rape people or anything, but androphiles want to be dominated
>>762286damn almost like that's patriarchy
>>762303Well then why shouldn't I just take part in it? Because it seems like the majority of women want patriarchy, they just want it obfuscated enough that they don't have to think about how the dynamic actually functions.
>>762307i wanna be her and i want a chad to slap my ass and choke me out and spit in my mouth
>>762306>the slaves are taught to be racist towards themselves, therefore I should become a slave owner>the workers are taught to think the capitalist earned his wealth, therefore I should become a capitalist>women are taught that their rightful place is in the kitchen, barefroot, pregnant, chained to a stove, therefore I should become a misogynistok do it then. we're not individualists, we acknowledge that material conditions and historical forces are more important than convincing you personally to not be a reactionary retard.
>>762309Not the guy you're talking to but you're so fucking retarded. We just want sex and a GF, we're not interested in dying as sexless martyrs in some cryptic war of virtue signaling. This is why the left never achieves anything I stg
>>762286Wrong.
Men are rewarded for being worldly and badass, which unfortunately may translate into being misogynistic
>>762292Tom, stop being a sycophant.
But I agree with your post
>>762310Usually I’d agree with you but you’re wrong on this case
>>762310>Not the guy you're talking to butok lol
>>762310>we're not interested in dying as sexless martyrs in some cryptic war of virtue signalingunlike you i've married and reproduced. and I've done it without the incel mindset of you and the other dumbass. i have a happy relationship. huge chance you're probably just incredibly offputting in preventable ways that you refuse to work on. And I don't just mean physically ugly.
>>762326Mr. Bigshot here.
>muh women want to be the gender that is abused
Typical backwards logic. If you actually thought about your scenario for even a second, you would recognize the men, who are "nakedly exploitative" and "can cycle through women on a weekly", are this way, because they have learned how to consistently rizz up and manipulate women's boundaries, in a culture that systematically beats any spine out of them starting from girlhood.
>>762337>sexual submission is a psyoppffff
people who unironically believe in feminism should just transition into men, it's over for them,, they all turn into schizos
>>762309>women are taught that their rightful place is in the kitchen, barefroot, pregnant, chained to a stoveLiterally not true
Why do feminists always lie?
>>762326>Asumptions asumptions asumptionsDo normies really think we dont see through their gaslighting?
name?
>>762347you jumped to the defense of the incel ASSOOMING women loooooove patriarchy and that therefore he should be more misogynist. And now you cry "gaslighting" because I ran out of patience with this sort of typical imageboard incel nonsense very quickly. You whined and cried "We" (as if you could know the other anon's mind) "just want sex and gf" (as if you are entitled to some kind of sexbot womanservant).
Get over yourself kid. As soon as you see women as human beings you might be able to form a lasting relationship with one who isn't a relative.
>>762307>>762308go get HRT ladies
>>762284It's simple:
1. Criticizing women is misogyny
2. As communists, we must be ruthlessly critical of everything that exists
3. Women exist
4. Therefore, every serious communist will be a blatant misogynist.
>>762360>1. Criticizing women is misogynyThat's because there's nothing to criticise about women. They are perfect in every way.
>>762360> Criticizing women is misogynyno. i regularly criticize women for being misogynist for example.
>>762361What if the perfect women in question are grannies, transhumanists, and dykes?
>>762283Yeah, you're not treating them as men are you? Men don't treat other men passively and meekly.
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