I never say shit like this because it always sounds like cope to me, but if it doesn't end soon the Iran thing might be the pivotal disaster of American history.
Iraq and Afghanistan started with genuinely quick successful operations, where they failed was at combating the insurgencies afterwards. Bush was at sky-high popularity after 9/11. This is already worse than that.
Vietnam was also a disaster but had few consequences for Americans at home. This is already worse than that.
>most Western countries are being compelled to support a deeply unpopular war in the midst of a widespread legitimacy crisis for traditional political ideologies
>Iran is desperate and clearly trying to make this as costly as possible for everyone involved
>Gulf States have lost their illusion of being the safe "West-like" havens of the Middle East
>a new refugee crisis is likely if this goes on
>gasoline prices in a lot of places have already surged (it's been 3-4 days), and on top of everything, this might give Russia an additional advantage in negotiations regarding the war in Ukraine
>America rapidly burning through a lot of expensive equipment and structure, to the point of considering withdrawing equipment from East Asia
>there is clearly a partial media blackout which indicates things are going much worse than planned
>Trump is being more retarded than usual, his "Secretary of War" unironically thinks he'll win by being anti-woke, and the supposedly "sane" people involved are mostly ideological fanatics ready to feed soldiers into a meatgrinder for Israel
>no sign of what a "victory" would even look like, they're acting like they expected a "You Won!" splash to show up after killing the Supreme Leader
The long and short of it seems to be that America kicked a hornet's nest, fucked over most of its allies for no good reason, is wasting a lot of resources and soft power, and failed to exert its will, all while increasing dissatisfaction with the current political state of the world.
Yeah, they can probably beat Iran even in a (long, brutal and costly) ground invasion, they can probably accomplish whatever their objectives are (like neutralizing Iran as a major force in the ME), but it basically wouldn't matter by the time they did.
Even if this ends next week, it feels like some considerable (but by no means fatal) damage has already been done. But that's not what I mean. What I mean is, imagine if it goes on for two more months? For a year?
This post is probably slightly exaggerated because I am on drugs which is why I posted it in da 'beria
Oh and I forgot to mention the important fact that the economy was already very fragile and this doesn't seem to be making it any better. Imagine if a big recession hits before this is over
>>763566>This post is probably slightly exaggerated because I am on drugs which is why I posted it in da 'berialmao sameanyway it's hard to say but it already looks pretty bad for the US. I've been watching New Atlas' videos on the war tonight after reading about Iran's mosaic defense strategy and from the looks of things the US has gotten itself into something it wasn't prepared for. they clearly were hoping the decapitation strike would topple Iran's government or at least weaken it severely but it's been carrying out a sophisticated series of attacks in response and basically lighting up the whole middle east. Iran knew something like this was coming and especially after June of last year have been preparing to be able to function without a central command, which is really a classic situation the US has dealt with before and failed to defeat: a decentralized insurgency that can't be defeated by killing the top ranking leaders and can go on longer than the US can keep throwing weapons at the nation being invaded. except in this case Iran isn't a backwater rice paddy colony like Vietnam but a modern sophisticated state.
if Iran is able to keep fighting and survive this it'll indeed be a critical blunder for the US that will almost certainly add fuel to the dumpster fire that the US has turned into both domestically and with its international relations. but if Iran falls it'll be one step closer to encircling Russia and China, which is what the US is trying to do, and if that happens it's going to be a shitstorm unlike anything ever seen before.
If they don't reopen global trade soon then I wouldn't be surprised if this is the trigger for a proper economic recession finally.
>>763566Since the mid-2000s I've been hearing "smart people" list all kinds of reasons why a real war with Iran would be an insane disaster especially if ground troops got involved so it's surreal to see it play out. Like is the death drive a real thing? What's going on here? Like people say Israel forced America's hand but they're getting pummeled. Unless they use it as an excuse to nuke Iran I don't get it. Like the generals were saying their munitions were low did they not believe them.
>>763566OP I would say there isn’t much to be concerned about. In case you forgot, what’s happening now happened last year but replace both your talking points and the aggressor with the state of Israel instead of the USA.
The same situation with the Zionist government is present with the American one. At best this will turn into a spectacle loud enough that the USA somehow manages to lose even more international backing than it already has and at worst this will turn into another failed attack on Iranian peoples that results in pretty much nothing changing about the world or the USA explicitly.
Just relax man, nothing will happen
>>763680im pretty sure he cant actually do that
>>763682Not in the way youre thinking. I’d take the claim at face value in the sense that the man just directly blocked *American government officials and affiliated groups* from trading with Spain, but that private entities with the logistical means, groups loosely affiliated with the USA, and just ordinary everyday criminals can definitely trade with the country.
>>763610You're a bit misinformed. In the current conflict
>Israel has killed Iran's nominal head of state>Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz>Iran has struck various other countries other than IsraelAny one of these by itself would already be more significant than anything that happened in the Twelve Day War, in only 1/3 of the time.
>>763684The difference in this situation compared to the other wars is organization. This entire shitshow happened spontaneously without any buildup or warning. You cannot orchestrate a disaster on the same scale as the gulf war or the 12 day war if everybody is scrambling to figure out what’s going on and what to do on all sides of aggression. That’s why it’s genuinely alright to consider a lot of what’s happening as big standard political noise that’ll die off the moment the relevance of the situation fades away from the minds of citizens internationally