/siberia/ - Off-topic

she probably got sad because what he said was very hurtful. i hope lenin apologised for this, otherwise I might just reconsider my view of him

>>766776
>Lenin apologize
Not likely. He was the greatest revolutionist ever, and a damn fine revolutionary, but he was also an asshole of the highest order. It served its purpose but it is a double edged sword.

>the guy who had to commit ultraviolence in order to free himself from serfdom was rough around the edges

dont care

>>766780
Lenin wasn't born a serf, he was a middle peasant from a family of local officials whose received a university education. Alexander had emancipated the serfs in 1861 about a decade before Lenin was born. These are just historical facts but knowing the people on here I will be castigated as an anticommunist for saying any of this.

>>766793
While he did abolish serfdom two things are missing here, mainly that he kept them in perpetual debt so that the serf like conditions remained, and also he ghettoized them and tied them to specific communes by law, unable to leave. On these communes they would not have schools and as such remained illteriate - it is these conditions that lead to the Russian revolution basically, the serfs realized the freedom offered to them was hollow and that they still essentially where not free to work for who they wanted to work for.

>>766797
also when I say 'free himself' I agree this is a wrong usage of the word, spirtually I meant that he freed Russia of serfdom, not he literally freed himself from serfdom.

I will say people like to talk about how Mao didnt actually do this due to his family being a bit more well off but I think its a more compelling take for Mao as while his family where more well off serfs who owned some lands, it was still like 1-2 generations off being actual slaves.

>>766797
ok but lenin wasn't from that strata of impoverished peasant. he got a university education even after his brother got executed for trying to kill the tsar. he was clearly from a privileged strata. there's nothing wrong with that, mind you. he was a based class traitor.