Because in my experience, as an extreme normie by this board's standards (e.g., had several gfs, regular sex, my own place, good money, etc.) this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what 95% of women actually want.
Like, yeah, maybe they give lip service to the whole "emotionally open and vulnerable men in touch with their feelings" schtick because social media tells them to but in reality I think the opposite is true - women want a man that is more detached, stoic, unconcerned about internal feelings, etc. Because that: 1) makes them appear stronger and more confident, and therefore more masculine, and 2) makes them feel more safe and secure with them because even if they are having a meltdown and being over-dramatic over some shit (as women are apt to do) their man will be a reliable rock to lean on without him breaking down over shit too.
I've even had my current gf - who herself used to go to therapy a lot and is very lefty/soft in general - say that deep down, despite what she says sometimes, she likes that I am never being obsessed over my emotional problems and internal soul-searching shit, and that I just "move on" with things, unlike other guys she's dated (who she also identified as being some combination of mentally ill, bisexual/gay and/or emotionally immature).
Who created and pushed this agenda of "all men should regularly attend therapy and talk about feelings like women", and why? It didn't exist for thousands of years, only in the last decade or two.
is It was created by women for the purpose of sabotaging the relationships of other women because they are jealous of their success. Yes, it is as simple and as petty as that?
is It's a way of shifting blame onto men that women are no longer upholding the social contract and men are struggling to uphold society because of it?
is It the logical equivalent of men telling women not to wear makeup, simply making it easier for the other gender to filter you?
>>769696It's to give the illusion there's progress, but its one of those lies society tells. like a modern version of when people were raised in Sunday school to not lie, cheat, steal, and love your neighbour. but the reality of capitalist civilisation is that you have to do these things effectively to succeed.
This might come as a shock to you, but not every action a man takes is motivated by trying to impress women.
The "agenda" comes mostly from men who recognize that turning yourself into emotionally castrated cuck does not benefit them in the slightest.
Not gonna read your humblebrag but the idea is that men are shitty because they bottle up their feelings.
>>769696Where can I get a hat like that?
> I've even had my current gf - who herself used to go to therapy a lot and is very lefty/soft in general - say that deep down, despite what she says sometimes, she likes that I am never being obsessed over my emotional problems and internal soul-searching shit, and that I just "move on" with things, unlike other guys she's dated (who she also identified as being some combination of mentally ill, bisexual/gay and/or emotionally immature).
If your girl makes male sexuality a diagnostic aspect for a red flag, she’s shallow.
Also she’s a lefty?
Of course
>>769696Society doesn’t appreciate men as people.
All men we’re historically open about their sentiments but not via group therapy but rather poetry and politics
>>769696I genuinely don't give a fuck what women want
And if you do, you're wrong and a cuck simple as. That's why they'll cheat on you and you'll end up raising my uyghur baby. And you'll tell yourself you just need to lift more weights or put on some emotional front about fake confidence. Like God forbid you just beat the whore. That'd be too easy. You worthless goyim trash.
One thing I agree with women on is taking away video games. Partially because I agree with hating your bitch ass and taking away your things, but partially because I hate the procurement of the things. I don't play modern video games so I don't know if they're still garbage. But like I know I tried playing some pokemon TCG 2 just to pass the time and I hate it.
I hate the clearly obvious algorithm that every coin flip I get will be a tails and theirs a heads. This is nowhere near a 50/50 ratio. And some faggot gamer would tell me to just get good, minimize coin flip cards, when the fact is if I brought a weighted coin to a tournament, his ass would be the first one to cry JEWWWWDGE HE CHE'TT!!!! He'd swear he can feel in his hand how my weighted coin of 1.1.oz is different than the standard 0.90oz coin.
Or how gooks cannot construct a God damn dungeon. One of the gyms has the labyrinth, ok…trap floors are annoying but it's fine I guess…oh wait those traps triggered don't stay there for me to you know… piece together a map. So I'm guessing. Yaaaaay how fun. Totally not something that could've been avoided entirely when designing. Your boss will shoot up your kids school cause you clock out ten minutes early but somehow not one video game designer can get beaten and thrown out a window for intentionally making the worst possible decisions in design. This is completely intentional. And why is it intentional?
Because motherfuckers like you exist. "Oh…do something different? Point out the flaws? Nooooo suppress all emotions and do exactly as told and suffer and die but also you deserve it for not being alpha" like fuck you, I could literally just kill you and your family. Shutup.
moid genocide
>this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what 95% of women actually want.
Spooks. Self actualize first, then you can care about dating or whatever.
Also that 5% of women that understand the importance of a partner with emotional intelligence and thus likely takes the same measures is presumably what you'd be aiming for anyway. Like when you expect your partner to settle on that front specifically, you're usually settling on that front as well.
>>769748 Poetry is group therapy lad, poets dont do shit individually but it groups. Sometimes it even lead to homosocial attachment like in the case of Rumi.
>>769696True. When it comes to it for moids to be more sensitive you need to tell women to reward nice guys and prioritize emotional sensitivity. But libs will never do that because controlling whom the heart falls for is way too far even for idealistic post sex libtards.
That wont stop libs from lecturing *moids* about who and what we are supposed to expect from a relationship thoughbeit
>>769899Non answer because you know I'm correct but still gotta say SOMETHING contrary just to spite me because you don't want me to be right
Well too bad kiddo and if i saw you I'd kill your dog just because you never once defended my right to speak and never will so you're not gonna sit here and spite me. Your dog dies
>>769980>Non answer becausenot worth effort. pay me if you want therapy.
>>769943>Poetry is group therapy lad, poets dont do shit individually but it groups. Sometimes it even lead to homosocial attachment like in the case of Rumi.True that. But that's kinda what I mean.
>True. When it comes to it for moids to be more sensitive you need to tell women to reward nice guys and prioritize emotional sensitivity. But libs will never do that because controlling whom the heart falls for is way too far even for idealistic post sex libtards. >That wont stop libs from lecturing *moids* about who and what we are supposed to expect from a relationship thoughbeitIt's not just libs who patronize cishet males when t come to heterosexual to romance.
Conservatives do it too
>>769827bitching about women and going on an extended side tirade about some pokemon game being insufferable is a great bit
>>769827What’s your beef with video games?
It’s too old fashioned to look down on video games as detrimental, it’s not 2004 anymore
>>770103Frustrating on purpose. Mk ultra shit
Like I said, I don't know about the modern slop to make that judgement but I imagine it's only gotten worse in some regards.
Put it this way, I'm finding out the names of devs and just going to call them child molesters everywhere I go. Hopefully they try and sue me so I can physically see them in court, and than break their legs.
You wanna build a demon engine? Enjoy a hellish torture simple as.
>>770122> Frustrating on purpose. Mk ultra shitLike I said, I don't know about the modern slop to make that judgement but I imagine it's only gotten worse in some regards.
If you pathologize video games because you find them frustrating, that says more about you. I could say the same about gambling and recreational shooting.
>>769696as a cishet male who has been in a successful relationship with a cishet woman for 15 years, is married, and has a kid, let me tell you that every single incel thread on /siberia/ is composed of
>false dichotomies>strong assumptions about both men and women as monolithic categories>misogyny and sometimes even internalized misandry>really bizarre anger and bitterness that frames itself as being unemotional or scientific.This is one of those threads. You can be open with your feelings, soft, and vulnerable
when it makes sense to be that way while also being strong and stoic when you need to be. What people (not just women) want is
context sensitivity. They want someone who can "read the room" and react appropriately based on the situation. I know a lot of you struggle with this. I have tried giving you advice before but you don't actually want advice. You want approval from your fellow incels. Actual advice from a sex haver infuriates you like nothing else.
>>770148The biggest complainers here seem to be other sex havers. They're mainly complaining about the type of sex they're having.
>>769696This is just one of those things that's very apparent if you regularly touch grass and talk to people beyond the internet but online chinlets will take it as if women are all lying histrionic whores and people on the left will side step it all together because they feel like they're giving credence to incels by acknowledging that yes as much as the average straight woman is attracted to masculinity in a man some of those masculine traits might be dogshit. Which is a given when masculinity is inherently destructive as it currently stands but that's another discussion leftists love to sidestep also.
>>770148I want to be soft and vulnerable all the time but society doesn't let me :/
>>770303>soft and vulnerablemore like irritating and unpleasant to be with
>>770303>all the timeLike the anon you're replying to said, context sensitivity matters. Softness and vulnerability aren't always going to be welcome and it doesn't automatically make you sincere, it's a communication strategy like any other approach. Imageboards structurally reward ironic detachment, for example, because in not knowing your specific audience you can't really curate your self-presentation and it's reasonable to post in a way that doesn't leave you vulnerable to attack. But going the other way, being vulnerable or "wholesome," is strategic too, a way of trying to signal that you're not a threat and attacking or criticizing you would be disproportionate and meanspirited.
girls HATE that shit which is why any thinking man who's not a golem should avoid relationships with women
>>769696Firstly, you should never take dating or relationship advice from women. This is because their "advice" is almost always thinly disguised complaints about the guys they used to be with, which introduces a significant survivorship bias. This isn't advice on how to become romantically successful, these are critiques of romantically successful men. And often the complaints are of things that allowed these men to be romantically successful in the first place. Its "this sauce is too flavorful" types of complaints.
Secondly, most modern therapy/psychology is a scam selling a religion where you essentially worship yourself. They want you to be more open with your feelings as a part of your transition into an unhinged narcissist.
>>770299>Which is a given when masculinity is inherently destructive as it currently stands but that's another discussion leftists love to sidestep also.Masculinity isn’t inherently bad
It can have regressive inclinations but so does every sort of abstractionality
What about femininity?
Also leftists don’t “sidestep” masculinity discussions.
They just whine bitch and moan about it.
>>770594>Secondly, most modern therapy/psychology is a scam selling a religion where you essentially worship yourself. They want you to be more open with your feelings as a part of your transition into an unhinged narcissist.From what I see it’s the opposite.
Everyone likes to throw around the “N” word (narcissism) whenever it comes to individuality/self.
Everyone wants things to be “altruistic” (that is mindless self-sacrifice for the sake of ‘proving your worth’)
>>770148This is the ultimate revelation.
Everything social is about context.
The problem is, people, especially when in child rearing, assume everything is set in stone
>>770148>when it makes sense to be that way Translation: you're allowed to shed a single manly tear on your parent's/offspring's funerals and make sure you look like you're trying to hold it in
>>770612Not really. As a man, crying at funerals IRL is more acceptable than pop culture makes it out to be
>>769696Patriarchy, the recent culture being the strong silent man type.
That's a thing feminists struggle with, women also uphold the patriarchy, and has been found that a massive amount of women find it a turn off if men cry.
Women do it even now in a """"""""progressive"""""""" presentation, like being against downlow men (aka homophobic), or the anti "mankeeping".
>>769827The sexism is cringe, but yeah you should be your own person, you shouldnt serve the female gaze, (unless you want to),
Just dont let the patriarchy (or women) cuck you.
>>770148Your data is one woman for the past 15 years, plus doesn't counter people engaging in contradictory matters.
> I've given advice but you dont want to hear itIdk what your history of it is, but if you werent pink washing the reactionary tendencies among women, then sure the incels were cringe.
>>770619This.
Women don’t respect men who don’t conform to patriarchal standards
Women can and do show disgust towards male homosexuality or male vulnerability in general.
And they claim themselves to be “naturally empathetic”
>>770619My favorite attempt to twist upholding old patriarchal gender norms into something vaguely "feminist" was calling listening to your emotional/vulnerable boyfriend "emotional labor" and acting like you're being put upon for having to deal with it.
>>770632Honestly feminism is just right wing nowadays, probably it has been since like the 2000s
>>770641Feminism was originally right wing, funnily enough.
In fact, I would say that feminism is the prodigal daughter of patriarchy
>>770644>every opinion I disagree with is Reddit because Reddit is bad even though imageboards have the same problems >>770607Sure, maybe society at large because altruism is traditional morality, but therapy fuckers are all about self-love and self-obsession.
>>770688if you're not reddit how come you have updoots in your post? hmmmMMM?
>>770694More like self-fantasy
Therapy folks don’t really like themselves.
>>769696>had a few GFs therefore I understand all womenBlind leading the blind.
>>770704Who's blind the anon or the women? I mean most of us in the thread are probably blind but are the women too?
>>770148>You can be open with your feelings, soft, and vulnerable when it makes sense to be that way while also being strong and stoic when you need to beThe issue being how frequently "does it make sense to be that way" for a guy in his day to day life? Your entire post is a no brainer and doesn't address the actual underlying issue. Like yeah, people aren't going to view a guy as lesser because he cried at his wife's funeral. It being more acceptable in day to day for men to respond to shit with anger and aggression than anything else is the problem. It's not a mystery as to why they're topping the scoreboards when it comes to violence.
Yeah, how about no. I would rather never talk to a woman again in my life than quit therapy and kms because of severe OCD in a few years
>>770747> It being more acceptable in day to day for men to respond to shit with anger and aggression than anything else is the problem. It's not a mystery as to why they're topping the scoreboards when it comes to violence.Yes and no.
It’s more commonality accepted as a vice but it’s not as sympathized.
Men are denied of any automatic empathetic treatment whenever they’re in crisis.
They’re first expected to shut up and wallow through.
Men are not allowed to avoid self-suppression for crying for help in the first stage.
That’s the real problem.
If men were to be more emotionally self-explorative and self-healing as the first stage, people will complain about “loss of masculine tension”
>>770857This.
Men are not allowed to de-centralize women in their personal motives
>>770594> Firstly, you should never take dating or relationship advice from women. This is because their "advice" is almost always thinly disguised complaints about the guys they used to be with, which introduces a significant survivorship bias. This isn't advice on how to become romantically successful, these are critiques of romantically successful men. And often the complaints are of things that allowed these men to be romantically successful in the first place. Its "this sauce is too flavorful" types of complaintsThe same could be said about men, bubba.
Men will complain about women being shallow prospectors but then reminisce about the sex and nuances of said women.
“Can’t live with them can’t live without them”
It’s the same with differing racial and age groups
>>770860I'm honestly not behind this stupid "men should cry" bullshit. No they shouldn't.
You know who cries? Literal fucking babies. They cry because they can't communicate yet. When you become an adult, you learn to not cry, along with every other infantile behavior. It's understandable that, under extreme emotional duress, you might revert to infantile behavior like crying or curling up in the fetal position or rocking back and forth, but that's really the only excuse.
We accept women crying because traditional patriarchal gender norms viewed women as permanent children and allowed, or even encouraged, the continuation of infantile behavior in women well into adulthood. This should not be the case. Men shouldn't start crying. Women should stop crying.
>>770870Babies also piss, shit, and breathe
You should stop doing all those infantile things
>>770872Yes, but those aren't behaviors unique to babies. Those are basic biological function. Crying is not. Crying is a behavior inherent to babies which you are supposed to eventually grow out of as you age through childhood and into adulthood.
The bourgeoisie say, "men should cry and whine and never fight and never get upset". And "Communists" reply, "wow, I will never fight or feel upset about anything relating to this society. We should just cry instead. This is revolutionary."
>>770874just asserting shit with no basis lmao. in what way is crying not a basic biological function?? everybody cries, we just get used to suffering to where we don't have the urge to cry in nearly as many scenarios. tbf tho i think a lot of lib men are performative in their 'emotional vulnerability' like no dude you're just manipulating her empathy and infantalising yourself… but yeah like if you gotta cry its alright to cry there just aren't many situations where it's normal to do that publicly and the problem is with your emotional maturity if you're crying publicly in unacceptable situations most of the time.
>>770148rare wisdom on an imageboard.
ᛋᛋex is a reactionary institution
if you ever crave it you are epstein and a fascist
>>770148>>770908>>770913Just out of curiosity, which situations are acceptable for men to cry and which aren't?
>>770870This is such a stupid argument.
Crying is fine for moments of high stress such as death of a loved one or losing a home.
Should you cry after sex?
>>770874You know that crying is found in other animal species as well, right?
And that babies are physically and psychologically vulnerable to harm compared to adults
>>770951I already said that.
>>770953Animals can't communicate either.
>>771633>Animals can't communicate either.You fundamentally don't understand what animals are or what communication is.
>>771635I meant that they can't talk. Similar to babies, they communicate by non-verbal means.
>>771694If by non verbal you mean they can't speak entire sentences than sure, but considering I can tell my dogs different bark tones of when they're scared, hungry, bored, upset, etc. Yes, they have a language.
Probably more in depth than your feelings considering you can't say fuckin anything at all online
>>771697Grunting with slightly different inflections in order to emote is not language.
>>771954Then how are animals able to understand each other?
Language isn’t always just words.
Some animals communicate with scents
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