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 No.11265

 No.11266

>>11265
>The article in question is titled "Cellular functions of spermatogonial stem cells in relation to JAK/STAT signaling pathway," which was authored by three researchers in China, including the corresponding author Dingjun Hao of Xi’an Honghui Hospital.

the middle kingdom has fallen

 No.11267

>>11265
We need massive international regulations against AI fucking yesterday.
Mandatory strict labeling on all AI-generated material, to the point that it's an extreme inconvenience.

 No.11268

>>11265
"The reliable way of verification is peer review."
Peer review:

 No.11269

moushley bros…

 No.11270

>>11265
I love science

 No.11271

>>11267
that's against the interest of the ruling class, which is to use the AI to make everyone doubt everything, leaving them feeling too apathetic to do anything, because information is unassessable, and also so people will continue forever to see their idealism as just as valid as materialism

 No.11272

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 No.11273

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Reminder that most peer review is unpaid. Journals have close to no cost and yet they ask for insane prices from scientists for the opportunity to have their papers published. It's a huge scam:
https://svpow.com/2012/01/13/the-obscene-profits-of-commercial-scholarly-publishers/
http://blogarchive.brembs.net/comment-n820.html
Sci-hub has done more for science than any scientific publisher ever will.

 No.11274

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>>11265
>Peer review BTFO again
>that fucking rat
LMAO

 No.11275

Gem

Translation notes: gem means upvote

 No.11276

>>11275
translation?

 No.11277

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>tfw you get dissilced at the iollotte sserotgomars

 No.11278

>>11276
jak <-> jak

 No.11279

>>11274
Believing in peer review is like believing in a flat earth at this point, and these "I fucking love soyence" defenders need to be publicly humiliated for it until they stop pretending the system works, because as long as they do they just keep encouraging the schizos who deny actual science because of it.

 No.11280

>>11274
>>11279
It's in a Frontiers journal which is known for being slippery & lax when it comes to reviewing. You don't know your shit.

 No.11281

>>11280
Okay but how do you miss this?

 No.11282

>>11281
Fuck if I know. Their complaining was one of the main reasons why Beall's List was taken down btw.

 No.11283

>>11282
Scientific publishing should be nationalized, this shit is ridiculous.

 No.11284

ratcels btfo

 No.11285

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>>11280
>It was just this journal that was totally lax
LOL sure.

https://www.iflscience.com/four-scientific-journals-accept-fake-study-about-midichlorians-from-star-wars-42918

Peer review has served only to reinforce the status quo of scientific consensus, it has always been a cudgel against scientific innovation and exploration that, along with retarded plagiarism laws, is the reason science in the capitalist West is a fucking joke 90% of the time, or just useless fact regurgitation. The most important scientific finds are always some back-page note at best, if not entirely unknown by the general public for years/decades. And I do know my shit, since I have had to deal with Peer Review bullshit for 5 years at this point. Shut the fuck up.

 No.11286

You manthings are just jealous our us mighty big-big ratdicks!

 No.11287

>>11285
Your link is also about shitty journals that have been identified as so prior to the sting.
>It was just this journal
who are you quoting

Anyway, peer review is nothing special or complicated with inherent characteristics. It's just multiple random people with expertise in the field you're publishing in who scrutinise shit. This means it can vary.

 No.11288

>>11285
>that picture
holy kek

 No.11289

>>11285
>>11288
I need to find a version with papers its qoutes lmao

 No.11290

>>11287
>Th-they were shitty journals and identified
Excuses.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/abs/peerreview-practices-of-psychological-journals-the-fate-of-published-articles-submitted-again/AFE650EB49A6B17992493DE5E49E4431
>who are you quoting
<let me play at being obtuse
Fuck off

>eer review is nothing special or complicated with inherent characteristics

Uh yes, it is.
>It's just multiple random people with expertise in the field
Ah yes "expertise". Considering the "experts" I've known at Harvard and M.I.T. on topics ranging from archeology to nuclear physics and their utter ignorance and slavish dedication to the mainstream facts rather than actual scientific study, that does not give me more faith in the reliability of peer review. Peer Review is also almost never random, it is always people that are gatekeepers in one or another field and are often the same circle of people with little better to do but make other people's lives miserable, or just earn a quick buck and don't pay attention to what they're looking, leading to biased or poorly checked papers such as in the OP. Unless these "peers" replicate experiments or redo the mathematics of data provided essentially from scratch, there is no review to be had because it's essentially just reading someone's paper and saying "I agree or disagree" and then using largely superfluous reasoning, which is how poor research constantly gets released.
Authors of a work up for review will not know who is reviewing it until it (possibly) gets passed and published while the reviewers will know exactly who the author(s) are which means any petty grudges or biases will creep in, as well as theoretical works meaning that a scientist with a different theory on a subject will most likely disagree on principle regardless of the data, as is often the case in paleontology for example.
Furthermore Reviewers are not paid for reviewing, so it is very easy to bribe such people into saying Yes or No to a paper, or to just convince them to check it off/dismiss it and not bother reading.
Any negative review on a work is perceived by most editors as grounds to reject it so they can drive their acceptance rate down to look more prestigious and exclusive. Rewriting manuscripts with the resulting criticisms creates extremely lengthy or extremely cut-down works that are usually far less manageable and comprehensible, all to please the egos of an arbitrary decision-maker that has no right to do so except by the power of Establishment.

Peer Review is shit, period.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12038911/
https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/123/9/1964/282957

 No.11291

>>11289
Please do, I lost that version

 No.11292


 No.11293

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>>11285
>Peer review has served only to reinforce the status quo of scientific consensus,
By design. We really don't need to re-invent the fucking wheel every paper. It took less than 100 years from kitty-hawk to landing on the moon to smartphones; I'd say the system works pretty well. If you want to completely overturn physics or medicine, you better have some damn good evidence. Absolutely nothing is stopping quacks from publishing anything they want in a book or the internet (like Timecube), but almost everyone ignores it because it doesn't produce any tangible physical results.

 No.11294

>>11293
barring obvious problems that capitalism causes in science, i've never seen a soyence noticer offer a feasible alternative that doesn't hit the limitations of human bias and causality or wouldn't destroy the functionality of scientific research

 No.11295

>>11280
Google "replication crisis"

 No.11296

>>11293
>We really don't need to re-invent the fucking wheel every paper.
Correct, but the entire system that includes Peer Review makes people do and redo the same bullshit over and over again for decades, essentially telling people to reinvent the wheel on subjects that have been done to death. I remember doing research papers on things that have been 'researched' for decades and the results have all been essentially the same between the several thousand pre and post graduates that did them and in fact it was confirmed when the automatic plagiarism filters kept considering my data and some paragraphs as plagiarism because I had replicated the same data as half a dozen people before me and there's only a certain number of ways one can write out a description for each section while following methodology and writing standards that I am required to follow, and it is inevitable that people are going to replicate the same phrases on the same subject and research without knowing, its almost like an example of superpermutation, but with words.
>less than 100 years from kitty-hawk to landing on the moon to smartphones
<t.has-no-understanding-of-material-progression
Touch-screen technology was invented in 1965 before color TVs were even available, cell-phones were invented in the 1950s, yet these technologies weren't used until decades after they came about. The system does not work "pretty well" it just abuses the fact that there are 300+ million Americans in the USA and so inevitably some are going to discover and achieve something. It's essentially like pouring a bucket of water over a test tube, most of the water goes spilling out or around, but sure the test=tube is full so its a success right? Fuck off.
>If you want to completely overturn physics or medicine, you better have some damn good evidence.
Strawman and your ignoring the point, nobody is reading the evidence, or the evidence doesn't matter because it might not be palatable to some entitled "expert"
>Absolutely nothing is stopping quacks from publishing anything they want in a book or the internet (like Timecube), but almost everyone ignores it because it doesn't produce any tangible physical results.
<People that don't use peer-review are all quacks!
Fuck off, again. A large portion of people post things without review because the review is meaningless. The fact that it remains obscure and that people are forced to use unfiltered posting resources is another problem of the system forcing people to do such.

 No.11297

>>11290
Are you the pyramid schizo?

 No.11298

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 No.11299

>>11296
>Touch-screen technology was invented in 1965 before color TVs were even available, cell-phones were invented in the 1950s, yet these technologies weren't used until decades after they came about
Right, because they were incredibly primitive non-mass-produceable, and other tandem technologies hadn't been produced yet. Heating up wires with electricity had been known since the early 1800s but until vacuum tubes were invented and someone put 2 and 2 together lightbulbs weren't a thing. Carbon fiber has been around for decades, but getting an actually usable products off the ground is difficult. There is no linear progression of technology that peer-review is holding back. Science has always been a hodge-podge and peer-review is supposed to separate the wheat from the chaff by using experts who can quickly spot unproductive nonsense. When hobbyist non-experts get to decide what resources we spend on science we get bullshit like NASA wasting time on the EM drive.

> A large portion of people post things without review because the review is

You're right, we don't need peer review. But how will I be able to sift through thousands of papers in my limited lifespan to find ones that aren't just made up numbers and basing my entire knowledge of a field on potential bullshit? Maybe if we get enough well trusted scientists to read enough papers and tell everyone which ones are good and publish it in a collection of papers called journal, we could actually get some work done! Oh wait. Yes things fall through the cracks (see bobbybrocoli on youtube), but I've not seen any better system proposed. Tell me anon, do you get recommendations for what to read from other leftists, or do you just pick a random book at the library and read the entire thing? If it's the former, welcome to peer review.

 No.11300

>>11280
This, laypeople get out

Publishing in a reputable journal means a panel of turbo autists scrutinized your shit, often competitors even. Peer review is not perfect but it's the best system we've got so far

 No.11301

>>11267
AI isnt the problem.

Even before AI, people would fabricate scientific research papers.

 No.11302

>>11299
>It wasn't mass producible
And efforts to make it so were stalled by the system including peer review.
>When hobbyist non-experts get to decide what resources we spend on science we get bullshit like NASA wasting time on the EM drive.
LMAO you're talking about Harold White who literally has a P.h.D in physics among other degrees, and what happened were technical mistakes and a repetition of claimed experiments is what disproved it. "hobbyism" had nothing to do with it and peer review did nothing but muddy the water.
>peer-review is supposed to separate the wheat from the chaff by using experts who can quickly spot unproductive nonsense
Except this is clearly not the case and on a systemic level, as I have explained in detail.
>how will I be able to sift through thousands of papers in my limited lifespan to find ones that aren't just made up numbers and basing my entire knowledge of a field on potential bullshit
By the fact that you're not the only person doing this?
>Yes things fall through the cracks
Constantly and in large quantities
>I've not seen any better system proposed
Ah yes the usual liberal excuse that gets repeated word-for-word ad nauseum
First, do a basic browser search: literally the first thing that comes up: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237011/
Second, I'll come up with a system off the top of my head, since I actually use my brain
to think and not just regurgitate facts like a bio-encyclopedia.
1) Have a paid, specific group of experts read works on specific subjects that require it*, with a member of staff for Literacy, checking to make sure the work is grammatically correct, spelled correctly and formatted properly, an expert on the subject at hand that analyzes and attempts to replicate the data analysis mathematically to make sure the numbers are correct. The author of the paper will be held anonymous from them until they are finished reviewing. The groups will be rotated, serving their position for a single year and never consecutively. The members of the board will all be vetted prior to their appointment(s) and checked to make sure their expertise is earned.
*Topics such as behavioral observational research of bird migrations or what-not should not require Full-Board review, it is observational research
2) Graduate and Post-Graduate works should not be released to the public unless they represent an actual change to research on the established subjects, and should remain merely as on their personal records unless they specifically publish it outside the main system, which will be on them. Thus their first published research would actually BE research and not just following the footsteps of a dozen other Post-Grad students on the same subjects as before.

This is all very simplified and not in detail because as much as I effort-post, this is still an imageboard /b/ thread, however even in this basic format it is far superior to the free, decentralized, voluntary and biased Peer-Review system that has NO guards to prevent reviewers from using personal opinion to bar perfectly good research, or simply be too lazy/overworked to bother paying attention to the work they're reviewing and letting blatant garbage out into the system. The constant flow of repetitive, useless research by the thousands of Post-Graduates each year also floods "the market" (so to speak) and overtaxes any actually good-faith reviewers in the system.

So to conclude, if you're going to play the "there's no better way" card (which is the same argument lumpens use to defend capitalism) then do yourself the favor of looking up alternatives or thinking for yourself, rather than just defending a broken system of organized chaos.

>do you get recommendations for what to read from other leftists, or do you just pick a random book at the library and read the entire thing

I get recommendations from people, being leftist is irrelevant unless the books are specific to leftist topics, I also may choose to ignore recommendations entirely and read a book in the library with no prompting from others, I may also take the time to research the author and their statements, ignoring all opinion about them to see who they are. I do not rely on one method, nor do I give reviews any more weight than someone's opinion unless a detailed, relevant and explained reason is given, something that scientific peer review fails to do most of the time.

Stop bootlicking the scientific establishment when it is rotten. Peer Review dismissed claims of smoking causing Cancer and other diseases for decades as an example and doctors/scientists promoted it as healthy. There is absolutely no reason they can't or won't act in corporate interests and against scientific truth in any other subject, should it benefit them.

>>11300
>Peer review is not perfect but it's the best system we've got so far
<Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's the best system we've got so far
Spoken like a true liberal
>laypeople
Just say Laymen, you etymologically challenged ignoramus.
>Publishing in a reputable journal means a panel of turbo autists scrutinized your shit, often competitors even
LOL right, and this is good how? Nitpicking, cherry-picking, personal biases and so on are all parts of that and the fact that it only takes one reviewer to have a bad day and say something negative will prevent a perfectly good paper from being published. Calling them turbo-autists is correct, because their criticisms range from rambling nonsense that has nothing to do with the subject, to being anal about certain words being used and that a synonym should replace them, even when it's purely aesthetic. It forces people to cut down explanations or expand them unnecessarily, leading to the format most peer reviewed works have, incomprehensible pseudo-intellectual nonsense draped over the actual data and forcing readers to decipher what should be cut and dry facts.

 No.11303

>>11293
>landing on the moon
anon, i…

 No.11304

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>>11303
>Muh moon hoax

 No.11305

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>>11304
Ok glowie
NTA BTW


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