New Apple product: Apple Vision Pro. What's your opinion? Does Augmented Reality has a future? Does it has an USEFUL future? Apple is betting hard on this.
>>19825This is the pro version for developers. It is rumored to cost $3000. Next year, the Apple Vision will come out, and that will be the consumer version. It will probably cost $1500 or $2000.
In the background, Apple is still developing an AR device with the form of normal glasses. But that is 5 or 10 years in the future still.
>>19825>mainly for pornIn consumer tech yes, and fringe entertainment like some videogames for those that can afford it."Enthusiasts".
But in production, this is the beginning of transhumanist capitalism as depicted in cyberpunk dystopias. Unlike individual "enthusiasts" businesses can get better deals and profit margins off implementing this technology , which, under the guise of "accesibility" and "productivity" "job creation" through reducing qualifications is just another step in taking agency from workers. If you think nagging managers and tight quotas or app slavery is bad, wait until every worker is required (and liable for) one or more augmented reality devices that control their every second on the clock like a human automaton.
The advances in AI do not need to be implemented into robots,
YOU will be the robots long before that. There is no need for Elon's brain chip, though some version of permanent augments will come sooner or later.
>>19836>"Black Mirror"Yes, it is.
Honestly, the whole concept of AR is BS, they cannot even polish the VR experience. "Hey, look, we have AR even though you can barely even interact with it through our proprietary walled garden operating system!" Such a waste of money. We need wireless hi-res OLED VR for GNU/Linux that isn't riddled with spyware, affordable VR gloves and shoes and a proper fucken treadmill that doesn't cost your kidney and that actually scrolls when you move.
The entire proprietary hardware industry is all about shiny new things without actually improving on what we already have. That's why I respect the libre software devs, they improve on the already existing technology, using their talents where they're needed. Absolute chads.
>>19841>JDPONMade me look up this acronym for the first time.
I wouldn't worry about augmented reality for recreation. Most people can neither afford it nor have any interest in it.
>>19842>I see these technological innovations as positive contributionsPositive contributions… to what, Apple's list of patents?
>Socialist economy needs to be able to do the same or better and thats a challengeA "challenge" that is easily solved with collaborating on improving one hardware design instead of wasting all the money on marketing, lobbying the state and patenting oxygen to create a teeny-tiny iteration on what essentially amounts to a glorified useless toy.
Capitalist innovation is a lie the point of which is to sell you stagnation by presenting it to you as something brand-new.
>>19841Third-worldism? IN MY LEFTYPOL!?
That's more likely than you think.
>>19846Also, don't forget that the lines between the West and the East are blurred now thanks to neoliberalism. The Japs, the Chinks and the South Koreans will have the same fate… EXCEPT FOR OUR GLORIOUS DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF KOREA OF COURSE!
Thank you, Supreme Leader, for the communist future I've been given.
>>19853- I CONSOOM!!
- I CONSOOM MORE!!
>>19829I haven't used it, it's application to games seems like the nauseating factor
>>19862I mean it is VR you can just choose to show your surroundings or a serene lake whatever, I really just want enterprise software quality (foss obviously but I'll take what I can get initially) that allows me to interact with a mouse and keyboard and not the jank controllers or gestures.
>>19838What you describe sucks but we are already there, since the information gain relative to the scanner in your hand that is already tracking your movement is tiny IMHO.
>>19830>In the background, Apple is still developing an AR device with the form of normal glasses. But that is 5 or 10 years in the future still.You can play the AR edition of Mario Kart on the Switch right now. When Nintendo released the 3DS a decade ago, it already had an AR shooting game (that you played for three minutes and then never again). Apple, get your shit together!
>>19855I consoom
I work
I consoom again!
>>19880You're welcome.
No GNU/Linux device goes under my radar, I'm always watching, ALWAYS.
>>19825At first I thought it's Will Smith advertising it, LOL.
Watched the trailer. This headset has its own mindfulness app. Really? REALLY!? A mindfulness app!? That's a fucking joke. Those darn new age millenials who know nothing about Buddhism. Mindfulness is awareness of your thoughts and actions, not a sitting meditation. You don't NEED an app to meditate, just sit down and BREATHE! Jesus Christ.
Two 4K micro-OLED displays? That's based unironically. Bravo, Apple. You've out-done even Sony. Still dependent on Apple's proprietary software though, cringe.
So. Basically, the only good things about this headsets are size, transparent projection glass (although it's probably a huge privacy issue) and 4K micro-OLED screens. That's it. Everything else is TRASH! Like Windows 11 or Oculus Go.
>>19889This guy is a massive desperate grifter.
The technology here isn’t new. The linger cursor (that’s the old name for the eye navigation) is probably low key to people who’ve never tried to use this bullshit for something other than jacking off the most important aspect for normal style use.
The mental state detection is an elusive kind of language, it’s middle manager speak for divining intent. Pretty necessary for linger cursor work. Early implementations using those goofy glasses you’d get punched in a bar for wearing had this problem where the user would be reading along, get lost in thought or focus on something out of plane (other than the screen) and the system would correctly register a linger and click on something.
To figure out if you e got a user that intends to click on something you need a biofeedback loop. It’s not just a feedback loop because there’s an organism integrated into it. It’s not necessarily a skinnerbox because there doesn’t have to be a skinner in the loop.
So this absolute psychopath isn’t actually describing their pivotal role in creating the ending of a clockwork orange, because they didn’t actually do that.
What they’re trying to do is make prospective employers think they did so they can get money.
>>19840BRAINWAVE RADIATIONBRAINWAVE RADIATION>>19947>slap googly eyes onLMAO.
TBH, Oculus doesn't have two 4K micro-OLED displays. Which is about the only good thing about Vision Pro. But of course Apple's gonna show off more. How are Apple fans gonna feel superior over everyone else if it doesn't have all these useless features? Never mind that it has a mobile OS running on it instead of a based GNU/Linux distro (like it should be).
>>19955In their defense, you can't really make a cinematic trailer in a headset, that would probably look lamer.
ON THE OTHER HAND, Valve pulled it off with the Steam Deck so maybe they do indeed not want to show the actual footage. And first-person footage can still look pretty cool as amateur short movies show.
>>20009Disappointing. I thought he was just a noob who doesn't understand GNU/Linux and libre software. And he talks about more than just millions of overprized smart "phones" like Marques Brownley does. Still a proprietary shill, I don't watch him often unless it's something gaming-related.
Can you recommend me some tech YouTubers who specialize in GNU/Linux? Thank you in advance.
>>20010>Can you recommend me some tech YouTubers who specialize in GNU/Linux?No but I'll plug Gamers Nexus who are quickly becoming popular for hardware reviews because they are actually professional and informative, and don't just shill.
But yeah LTT seem to fuck with Linux only to not seem like total consoomer scrubs.
>>20024Linus is petty bourgeois but he's in weird position as an "influencer" who can affect market attitudes.
Here he is talking about unions and the prospect of his company unionizing. Judge for yourself in that respect.
>>20028>Linus is petty bourgeoisFigured. His company is not a Musk-level megacorp after all. Where did he aquire the capital? Did he inherit it?
>>20027>Also petit bourg is barely even a class anywayIt's a subclass of the bourgeoisie, technically speaking. Although it's a self-exploiting subclass, as Marx has pointed out. It carries in itself both proletarian and bourgeois contradictions.
>>20029Ah I was talking about the indie dev part, should've greentexted it. When I saw linus I skipped over because I don't feel qualified to sort that one out. You're right tho he's full bourg, not petit.
>>20028>I feel that if our staff felt like they needed a union l would (…) see that personal failiureOldest trick in the book.
>>20044>His wife funded his company with her salary from being a pharmacistLOL. "Self-made."
>>20042>I feel that if our staff felt like they needed a union l would (…) see that personal failiureI mean, it is his personal failure… for supporting the capitalist system HAH!
OWNED. >>20042>Ah I was talking about the indie dev partI was talking about both. In case of indie devs it's either self-employed or employers (not talking about proles here). In case of Linus he is an employer.
>You're right tho he's full bourg, not petitI'm not sure then how he became a full bourg if he got his capital from his wife (LMAO).
>>20050>Perhaps not spot on the differece, but I think employing others is the cutoff on becoming full bourgMarx doesn't make a distinction between the self-employed petty bourgs and the employing petty bourgs. What he does say is that petty bourgs still do some actual labor (usually occupying the position of a manager in the case of employers).
>while I question if self-employed / freelance / petit bourg should even be a subset of itFreelance certainly not. Freelancers are precarious proletarians (or precarians for short) who are often hired as "contractors" so they can be denied all the benefits proles with the fixed employment status get and so they cannot unionize.
I myself am starting to think that liberals might be right about the PMC, with the top-managers often having petty bourgeois class interests. They technically cannot be considered petty bourgeoisie because they don't own the means of production but perhaps it is a case of petty bourgeoisie submitting to large bourgeoisie in exchange for economic stability or whatever. I don't exactly know how the process of appointing top-managers goes.
>>20053>I mean i'll probably need to make a fiowchart to make sureClass analysis is fun to do even if you're an egoist anarchist, LMAO. And we haven't even brought up Weberian class analysis, oh, boy. Socioeconomics.
I recommend reading Olin Wright. He synthesizes both Marx and Weber to create a class analysis that accounts for the Weberian insights while preserving the Marxian core of basing class analysis on the control over the means of production.
>>19874>What you describe sucks but we are already there, since the information gain relative to the scanner in your hand that is already tracking your movement is tiny IMHO.Yes but the control is less tight. AR could potentially be the second coming of the assembly line, by turning every manual job, from retail to construction into an AI supervised instruction following activity that puts to shame dehumanizing warehouse protocols and micromanaging bosses. You don't have to drill the workers and keep them alienated. You just have them follow the instructions on display and have the computer make up productivity quotas automatically.
<Oops that crate is 10º off here, you see the outline is red because you did it wrong move it right or face a deduction in productivity points. Says the AI voice in your ear with no face, which also decides your salary.
>>20042>I feel that if our staff felt like they needed a union l would (…) see that personal failiurelol
I know I’d never cut it as a cappy because I would feel the opposite.
>>20062>4 hours when you also use the official external battery packSo that's where the wire in the ad is coming from, huh.
You used to
call me on my cellphone listen to the iPod with your wired headphones? Forget it, you're watching iCarly in VR with an external battery cable now.
>>19847i think you are underestimating the consoomer impulse of the average gadgetfag.
this shit will sell because applecucks will literally sell their own family to keep apple profitable. the company was about to go bankrupt in the 90s, the products were way behind those of competitors, but their fans still kept buying.
>>23284all AR helmets are going to be unfixable proprietary garbage, anon.
>>20111apple just seems to misunderstand their core audience. they should've invested their money into making a foldable phone instead, it would sell like pancakes.
>weight at least 600g without batteries>front-heavyI wouldn't even use this device if it were a gift and fully open-source. Never been a fan of Steve Jobs, but I think he would have done the right thing here and prevented this from being shipped. Why isn't all computing stuff offloaded to something on your belt?
>>19850As poster
>>23352 noted, they have an anti-porn policy.
>>23352Maybe a second version will take off.
>>20009>>20010>>19969Not only is Linus a shill, he's had a series of employees blow the whistle on various forms of abuses up to and including
human trafficking.
>>24889Why isn't there any discussion about these AR glasses anywhere? They're effectively a monitor that can be plugged into any laptop/phone/tablet and can turn any bus/train/cafe seat into an ergonomic workstation with a virtual 70inch desktop. They're not isolating like VR goggles and improve posting posture lol. I think the nreal air 2 are like $400.
>t. not a consoomer, 8 year old android phone, don't gaem, old secondhand laptopThey're the first piece of tech I've seen in years that seem like something new
>>25168thanks northstar anon for a detailed post. I looked at their twitter when you posted before but it wasn't updated since 2021. That build pic is extremely my shit.
My use case is for occasional buses trains planes and also for occasional linux desktop computing while touching grass. The key advantages are not hunching over a laptop or phone screen and the ability to see the virtual desktop in direct sunlight imo, which the xreal is good for apparently. idc about media consooming and the 3dof is adequate for virtual multi monitor shit. They almost look like normal sunglasses. Are we going to see a lot more people motivated to touch grass because they can wear AR glasses and bring their familiar multi monitor setup to the park or cafe? Seems like sunbathing just became a lot more attractive.
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