people are going to use it mainly for porn
Looks like a pair of swimming glasses lemao
How did Google Glass turn out?
This is the pro version for developers. It is rumored to cost $3000. Next year, the Apple Vision will come out, and that will be the consumer version. It will probably cost $1500 or $2000.
In the background, Apple is still developing an AR device with the form of normal glasses. But that is 5 or 10 years in the future still.
Apple Vision Pro comes next year. And in 2025 the consumer version, probably.
Yeah, I LOVE my spying devices, weeee!
i hope it fails like google glass did
I watched the keynote live and it was terrifying. I don't wanna be the basic bitch saying "Black Mirror". But damn. It was definetly a "train appears to escape from the movie screen" type moment. AR seems so lonely. Like surrounding yourself in entertainment and ignoring the outside world. We already do that now but, wow this is another level, more so if the device works exatvly like the video demos showed.
i dont give a shit if people want to play immersive video games alone (wow!!!!!!!!) i just wish it was open sourced and didnt come filled with spyware
>>19825>mainly for porn
In consumer tech yes, and fringe entertainment like some videogames for those that can afford it."Enthusiasts".
But in production, this is the beginning of transhumanist capitalism as depicted in cyberpunk dystopias. Unlike individual "enthusiasts" businesses can get better deals and profit margins off implementing this technology , which, under the guise of "accesibility" and "productivity" "job creation" through reducing qualifications is just another step in taking agency from workers. If you think nagging managers and tight quotas or app slavery is bad, wait until every worker is required (and liable for) one or more augmented reality devices that control their every second on the clock like a human automaton.
The advances in AI do not need to be implemented into robots, YOU
will be the robots long before that. There is no need for Elon's brain chip, though some version of permanent augments will come sooner or later.
the powers that be and tech elite keep trying to make vr happen, but most people cant afford it or dont care
In a similar vein to how ford vehicles can now lock themselves and drive to the nearest junkyard if people dont pay their bills, we should support this technology purely because it makes life more miserable for westerners. Imagine how low the birth rate will drop if people walk around with porn playing in their apple device or playing AR mario and collecting coins for doing work. Sure they will be more alone than ever and probably have a carrot and stick directing them to work more to release more dopamine at their apple neuralink microchip's behest, but that is a sacrifice we must make to rid the world of the evils of western civilization; real reality will be the superpower of JDPON, because they cannot afford such fancy gadgets and will therefore survive the oppressive mechanisms directed against westoids.
I see these technological innovations as positive contributions. Socialist economy needs to be able to do the same or better and thats a challenge.
Yes, it is.
Honestly, the whole concept of AR is BS, they cannot even polish the VR experience. "Hey, look, we have AR even though you can barely even interact with it through our proprietary walled garden operating system!" Such a waste of money. We need wireless hi-res OLED VR for GNU/Linux that isn't riddled with spyware, affordable VR gloves and shoes and a proper fucken treadmill that doesn't cost your kidney and that actually scrolls when you move.
The entire proprietary hardware industry is all about shiny new things without actually improving on what we already have. That's why I respect the libre software devs, they improve on the already existing technology, using their talents where they're needed. Absolute chads.
Made me look up this acronym for the first time.
I wouldn't worry about augmented reality for recreation. Most people can neither afford it nor have any interest in it.
>>19842>I see these technological innovations as positive contributions
Positive contributions… to what, Apple's list of patents?
>Socialist economy needs to be able to do the same or better and thats a challenge
A "challenge" that is easily solved with collaborating on improving one hardware design instead of wasting all the money on marketing, lobbying the state and patenting oxygen to create a teeny-tiny iteration on what essentially amounts to a glorified useless toy.
Capitalist innovation is a lie the point of which is to sell you stagnation by presenting it to you as something brand-new.
Third-worldism? IN MY LEFTYPOL!?
That's more likely than you think.
Also, don't forget that the lines between the West and the East are blurred now thanks to neoliberalism. The Japs, the Chinks and the South Koreans will have the same fate… EXCEPT FOR OUR GLORIOUS DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF KOREA OF COURSE!
Thank you, Supreme Leader, for the communist future I've been given.
>>19847>2 hour battery life
Steam Deck be like.
3500 FUCKING DOLLARDOOS
only useful feature is porn and gaming.
as stupid as google glass
Worse, since at least Google glass tried to seem somewhat discreet and not like a fucking diving mask.
Google Glass 2.0.
- I CONSOOM!!
- I CONSOOM MORE!!
Thats unpluggged. If you carry it with the cable and the battery in the pocket it lasts a day. Seems they prioritised weight over duration.
Another thing to note. This is the ideal monopolistic computer. No conectors, no usbs no nothing. Just wireless charging and bluetooth. Damn. Also the OS will be locked as fuck.
Most active thread on /tech/ since its inception and it is about consumer electronics shit.
Actually seems useful as an enterprise device. I use three to four monitors for code auditing I could actually replace that all with one device. Lenovo is pushing something similar with thinkreality which is less than half the price and runs android, so ideally that will be the device to grt. Meta quest is improving their passthrough but it's still being marketed as a gaming device because zucc and carmack are idiots.
How exactly is using VR for alternate monitors better? VR gives you a headache after like 2 hours using it
I haven't used it, it's application to games seems like the nauseating factor>>19862
I mean it is VR you can just choose to show your surroundings or a serene lake whatever, I really just want enterprise software quality (foss obviously but I'll take what I can get initially) that allows me to interact with a mouse and keyboard and not the jank controllers or gestures.
There's also a wealth of opportunity for creating art like 3d sculpting in blender etc or even mixing references with a wacom like drawing interface
>>19864>it's application to games seems like the nauseating factor
Possibly, it's not like I've tried using it as enterprise software, but I feel like the human eyes/brain aren't really set up for VR, we won't be able to completely make the physical world obsolete until we have direct brain/machine interaction
In regard to VR it is more a limitation of hardware. VR can bring even the beefiest gaming rig to its knees if you are not economical with models that has become uncommon due to AAA gaming industry not giving a shit about optimization of their 3D assets for performance.
one hour, the AI face recreation faceplate will eat half of it
For that price you could buy 3 valve index and keep the least defective one and even have spare parts to repair a second one.
>>19869>AI face recreation faceplate
im sure this wont be used for high def facial recognition databases
if there software really does make it into a good productivity device, hopefully it will encourage other companies to make their products less soykaf for office work or creative work.
What you describe sucks but we are already there, since the information gain relative to the scanner in your hand that is already tracking your movement is tiny IMHO.>>19830>In the background, Apple is still developing an AR device with the form of normal glasses. But that is 5 or 10 years in the future still.
You can play the AR edition of Mario Kart on the Switch right now. When Nintendo released the 3DS a decade ago, it already had an AR shooting game (that you played for three minutes and then never again). Apple, get your shit together!
I consoom again!
Shit, Zapper and Power Glove are unironically the coolest-looking game controllers in history. They don't make stuff like that these days…
>>19860>I use three to four monitors for code auditing I could actually replace that all with one device
Buy Simula One, it's 3 times as cheap and runs GNU/Linux. You can even potentially play PC games in it.
exactly what I was looking for friend.
This headset is both VR and AR
No GNU/Linux device goes under my radar, I'm always watching, ALWAYS.
make a thread on here for the devices if you feel like it, even if it's just for me lol. simula one is the first thing I've seen since the oculus dev kit 1 that looks interesting. hopefully people who can afford to be early adopters will support them.
At first I thought it's Will Smith advertising it, LOL.
Watched the trailer. This headset has its own mindfulness app. Really? REALLY!? A mindfulness app!? That's a fucking joke. Those darn new age millenials who know nothing about Buddhism. Mindfulness is awareness of your thoughts and actions, not a sitting meditation. You don't NEED an app to meditate, just sit down and BREATHE! Jesus Christ.
Two 4K micro-OLED displays? That's based unironically. Bravo, Apple. You've out-done even Sony. Still dependent on Apple's proprietary software though, cringe.
So. Basically, the only good things about this headsets are size, transparent projection glass (although it's probably a huge privacy issue) and 4K micro-OLED screens. That's it. Everything else is TRASH! Like Windows 11 or Oculus Go.
>the congress boomers
Out-of-touch puppets of the bourgeoisie? Don't trust them to do anything when it comes to protecting privacy. FSF and EFF have done more for the users' privacy than these losers ever will, SMH.
I honestly feel pity for the Buddhist monks. Their ideology got so distillated in the pop culture that it was transformed into a theme park version of itself. The Westoids just drool over kung fu and meditation without even getting their mind rid of spooks and attachments.
i want this to fail so bad but apple is a cult :(
Brand loyalty and its consequences…
The goggles are not transparent. They have an extrenal OLED display that functions like the screen of a 3DS and shows what the cameras inside the headset see, your eyes.
What a useless functionality that multiplies the cost of the device for no reason.
I fucking hate this shitty future.
But why? You have the cost of the external screen along with more expensive cameras as cameras VR headsets use for are pretty shit for picture quality, they mostly are just the cheapest IR camera possible that can track points on a face.
I have not expected an ancap to come here.
Also, at least Vision Pro does't torture your eyeballs, it's just the software and the stupid decisions like the OLED display of your eyes that's the problem.
Well, that didn't help the Virtual Boy's sells, now did it?
Don't know. They really want people to see the eyes of the person who is wearing it. And making it transparent is impossible.
This guy is a massive desperate grifter.
The technology here isn’t new. The linger cursor (that’s the old name for the eye navigation) is probably low key to people who’ve never tried to use this bullshit for something other than jacking off the most important aspect for normal style use.
The mental state detection is an elusive kind of language, it’s middle manager speak for divining intent. Pretty necessary for linger cursor work. Early implementations using those goofy glasses you’d get punched in a bar for wearing had this problem where the user would be reading along, get lost in thought or focus on something out of plane (other than the screen) and the system would correctly register a linger and click on something.
To figure out if you e got a user that intends to click on something you need a biofeedback loop. It’s not just a feedback loop because there’s an organism integrated into it. It’s not necessarily a skinnerbox because there doesn’t have to be a skinner in the loop.
So this absolute psychopath isn’t actually describing their pivotal role in creating the ending of a clockwork orange, because they didn’t actually do that.
What they’re trying to do is make prospective employers think they did so they can get money.
>>19931>They really want people to see the eyes of the person who is wearing it
Which look stupid on the black background. It's like the headset having its own eyes. Eagh.
>but second hand first gen oculus rift
>slap googly eyes on
There, saved you 3399 dollaridoos.
and adds useless weight when every gram that's head mounted causes neck damage log term
>>19838>buhh cyberpunk dystopia uhhhh transhumanism
This is what happens when you expose anime addicts to "leftism"
I would also by worried about lag, I doubt the external display is on its own VPU thus it will be sucking clocks away from the headset's or host's GPU when 3D modellers for VR still are required to count polygons of each model to ensure consume grade hardware can actually run the world at a decent frame rate.
It's hilarious, isn't AR like the opposite of the goal of mindfulness?
But on the other hand it's only one Apple PC.
>>19840BRAINWAVE RADIATIONBRAINWAVE RADIATION>>19947>slap googly eyes on
TBH, Oculus doesn't have two 4K micro-OLED displays. Which is about the only good thing about Vision Pro. But of course Apple's gonna show off more. How are Apple fans gonna feel superior over everyone else if it doesn't have all these useless features? Never mind that it has a mobile OS running on it instead of a based GNU/Linux distro (like it should be).
In their defense, you can't really make a cinematic trailer in a headset, that would probably look lamer.
ON THE OTHER HAND, Valve pulled it off with the Steam Deck so maybe they do indeed not want to show the actual footage. And first-person footage can still look pretty cool as amateur short movies show.
Yeah. Pure ADHD-inducing vending machine.
What's even more hilarious is that New-Agers need a fucking app to meditate. Like, are they so incompetent?
VALVE AND SONY: Yes, we've made the best headsets on the market, how could you tell? 🗿🗿Shame Sony's headset works only with their useless console.
Hasn't Linus been outed as a paid shill multiple times at this point? Even if he hasn't he obviously is one. Not talking about the actual sponsors.
Disappointing. I thought he was just a noob who doesn't understand GNU/Linux and libre software. And he talks about more than just millions of overprized smart "phones" like Marques Brownley does. Still a proprietary shill, I don't watch him often unless it's something gaming-related.
Can you recommend me some tech YouTubers who specialize in GNU/Linux? Thank you in advance.
>>20010>Can you recommend me some tech YouTubers who specialize in GNU/Linux?
No but I'll plug Gamers Nexus who are quickly becoming popular for hardware reviews because they are actually professional and informative, and don't just shill.
But yeah LTT seem to fuck with Linux only to not seem like total consoomer scrubs.
All first person footage has been recorded by the headset. People who has tested it have confirm it. But the majority of it are pre-planned demos, also confirmed by testers.
Apple's headset is not for gaming tho.
Nah, he is good, even for being literally a capitalist.
it's what their marketing department believes the product will ideally look like in one year. My experience with this is that it's usually slightly worse in some key ways which will make me question the $3500 price
All the "coverage" from wwdc attendants has been very carefully worded to not actually say anything beyond product promotion. Apple is very good at this bullshit.
>>20015>even for being literally a capitalist
I dunno, guys. I don't hate petty bourgeoisie as much. I'm not justifying the class system but some of them are nice people. Like indie devs. Do indie devs count as petty bourgeoisie? Is Linus a petty bourgeois or a middle bourgeois? I'm not aware of how much economic power he has.
I would play that.
>>20019>Apple is very good at this bullshit
Burn in a metaphorical hell, Apple.
No artists aren't petit bourg, they're a profession that spans all classes. Also petit bourg is barely even a class anyway.
Linus is petty bourgeois but he's in weird position as an "influencer" who can affect market attitudes.
Here he is talking about unions and the prospect of his company unionizing. Judge for yourself in that respect.
Linus is literally co-owner of the company with his wife and they employ a bunch of people to produce their content including co-hosts and a film crew.
its retarded. The most (and I'd argue only) useful application of augmented reality is for training on machinery / help repairing machinery. And for that you need something cheap that can be widely given to workers.
I meant self-employed artists. Obviously.
>>20028>Linus is petty bourgeois
Figured. His company is not a Musk-level megacorp after all. Where did he aquire the capital? Did he inherit it?>>20027>Also petit bourg is barely even a class anyway
It's a subclass of the bourgeoisie, technically speaking. Although it's a self-exploiting subclass, as Marx has pointed out. It carries in itself both proletarian and bourgeois contradictions.
>>20038>Where did he aquire the capital? Did he inherit it?
I think he's "self-made." Being a youtuber or whatever is one of the ways you can actually do that still (if you're lucky).
Ah I was talking about the indie dev part, should've greentexted it. When I saw linus I skipped over because I don't feel qualified to sort that one out. You're right tho he's full bourg, not petit.>>20028>I feel that if our staff felt like they needed a union l would (…) see that personal failiure
Oldest trick in the book.
About a thoroughly unconvincing, expensive, ridiculous, and conceptually depressing vaporware. It merits a discussion if not because it seems baffling that the company is betting on this trash.
His wife funded his company with her salary from being a pharmacist.
>>20044>His wife funded his company with her salary from being a pharmacist
LOL. "Self-made.">>20042>I feel that if our staff felt like they needed a union l would (…) see that personal failiure
I mean, it is his personal failure… for supporting the capitalist system HAH! OWNED.
>>20042>Ah I was talking about the indie dev part
I was talking about both. In case of indie devs it's either self-employed or employers (not talking about proles here). In case of Linus he is an employer.
>You're right tho he's full bourg, not petit
I'm not sure then how he became a full bourg if he got his capital from his wife (LMAO).
Perhaps not spot on the differece, but I think employing others is the cutoff on becoming full bourg, while I question if self-employed / freelance / petit bourg should even be a subset of it. It could be useful to flesh it out as it's own thing entirely given the gig economy that has arose in the last few years. Being unable to secure employee status doesn't seem like a privelage of elevated class to me.
>>20050>Perhaps not spot on the differece, but I think employing others is the cutoff on becoming full bourg
Marx doesn't make a distinction between the self-employed petty bourgs and the employing petty bourgs. What he does say is that petty bourgs still do some actual labor (usually occupying the position of a manager in the case of employers).
>while I question if self-employed / freelance / petit bourg should even be a subset of it
Freelance certainly not. Freelancers are precarious proletarians (or precarians for short) who are often hired as "contractors" so they can be denied all the benefits proles with the fixed employment status get and so they cannot unionize.
I myself am starting to think that liberals might be right about the PMC, with the top-managers often having petty bourgeois class interests. They technically cannot be considered petty bourgeoisie because they don't own the means of production but perhaps it is a case of petty bourgeoisie submitting to large bourgeoisie in exchange for economic stability or whatever. I don't exactly know how the process of appointing top-managers goes.
Ah I think I get it. (I mean i'll probably need to make a fiowchart to make sure)
>>20053>I mean i'll probably need to make a fiowchart to make sure
Class analysis is fun to do even if you're an egoist anarchist, LMAO. And we haven't even brought up Weberian class analysis, oh, boy. Socioeconomics.
I recommend reading Olin Wright. He synthesizes both Marx and Weber to create a class analysis that accounts for the Weberian insights while preserving the Marxian core of basing class analysis on the control over the means of production.
Nah, people have said it is heavy for the size cause it's made of metal instead of plastic for example.
Ok I was previously wrong. The thing lasts 2 hours PLUGGED IN into the pocket battery. Damn. Also, that battery has an usb-c that can be used to be plugged into the wall or, I assume, share files.
>>20057>The thing lasts 2 hours PLUGGED IN into the pocket battery
Wow, this shit lasts less than Steam Deck running demanding AAA titles. This is a certified garbage, they must be either scamming people or retarded.
Don't worry, once someone builds a battery pack that looks and feels like a weighted vest you should be able to get 10 hours.
>>20042>Oldest trick in the book.
I guarantee he's a member of some kind of guild, association, local chamber of commerce, landlords union or local small business group.
The Quest 2 has 2 hours on its internal battery, 4 hours when you also use the official external battery pack.
>>19874>What you describe sucks but we are already there, since the information gain relative to the scanner in your hand that is already tracking your movement is tiny IMHO.
Yes but the control is less tight. AR could potentially be the second coming of the assembly line, by turning every manual job, from retail to construction into an AI supervised instruction following activity that puts to shame dehumanizing warehouse protocols and micromanaging bosses. You don't have to drill the workers and keep them alienated. You just have them follow the instructions on display and have the computer make up productivity quotas automatically.
<Oops that crate is 10º off here, you see the outline is red because you did it wrong move it right or face a deduction in productivity points.
Says the AI voice in your ear with no face, which also decides your salary.
This shit is so cringe
its a simple question
It’s a simple retort
It's fun actually.
I don’t believe you.
He’s like the mr. Beast of consumer tech reviews. I kind of hate it.
>>20042>I feel that if our staff felt like they needed a union l would (…) see that personal failiure
I know I’d never cut it as a cappy because I would feel the opposite.
Dunno, the only things MR reviews is mobile devices. Which is worse because the market is seriously overcrowded with overpriced mobile devices with useless features nobody asked for. Mobile device reviewers are the worst kind of tech reviewers, they're basically the equivalent of Raid Shadow Legends ads.
>>20062>4 hours when you also use the official external battery pack
So that's where the wire in the ad is coming from, huh.
You used to call me on my cellphone
listen to the iPod with your wired headphones? Forget it, you're watching iCarly in VR with an external battery cable now.
it doesn't even have games yet. maybe so tech demo, but that's about it.
A $3500 device created by a company that is known for its love of proprietary, walled gardens. A "professional" level price tag without the features and resources to make it viable and everything demonstrated is the most basic, consumer focused "we may as well blew up an iPhone into your field of vision" kind of crap? Yeah…no. I have no doubt it will sell to the Apple faithful but the only potential benefit is inspiring other companies to answer with something comparable and better likely at a lesser price and ideally an open platform. Right now the only VR platform worth a damn in this regard is Valve's open source SteamVR/OpenVR with nearly everyone else with a platform trying to lock things down, like Meta-Facebockulous, or making hardware that works on/piggybacks upon other platform.
As far as "Augmented Reality" is concerned it does have a possible future but it will not be really widespread until it can be contained in something similar to eyeglasses as opposed to a full on headset. Outside of that it will be somewhat niche or very specific circumstances, especially with "professional tier" hardware. The other issue with AR is that of privacy, data mining, and for whom and what benefit is all that information on the screen ; much like VR itself it can be measuring YOU as well, but in theory AR is a focus outside the digital world making it even more of a concern.
i think you are underestimating the consoomer impulse of the average gadgetfag.
this shit will sell because applecucks will literally sell their own family to keep apple profitable. the company was about to go bankrupt in the 90s, the products were way behind those of competitors, but their fans still kept buying.
opinion dutifully ignored
its not going to sell because they didnt call it the iVision
Apple in the 90s almost went bankrupt because they developed two advanced Operating Systems (Taligent and Copland) both ending up getting scrapped along with Be Inc being formed of Apple software engineers that left to make their own OS, taking Apple's best talent. Then you have Apple cannibalizing their own sales with too many models on the market at the same time that confused the potential buyer.
>>20077>I know I’d never cut it as a cappy because I would feel the opposite.
If I ever somehow ended up a porky I would go out of my way to make my employees unionize and I would even act adversarial a bit to help them learn the ropes.
I like VR, I like the Quest, I was an early adopter and have used it for years, but nothing has made me more filled with instant rejection and revulsion towards the future of the technology than being introduced to that Casey Neistat guy.
AR headsets are going to become ubiquitous, but this particular device isn't going to be the one that does it (which is good, because it's an unfixable proprietary POS like all apple products)
>>23283>but nothing has made me more filled with instant rejection and revulsion towards the future of the technology than being introduced to that Casey Neistat guy.
QRD? He just seems like a weird looking jew that runs around new york and films it
no porn = failure
all AR helmets are going to be unfixable proprietary garbage, anon.>>20111
apple just seems to misunderstand their core audience. they should've invested their money into making a foldable phone instead, it would sell like pancakes.
>>23353>apple just seems to misunderstand their core audience.
IDK I think they understand them okay, they love useless status symbols like this
>>23354>they love useless status symbols
this looks like a kick me sign rather than a status symbol tbh. would iphone-loving stacy use this shit in public
It's for their techbro cultist fans more than Stacy imo
>>23353>all AR helmets are going to be unfixable proprietary garbage, anon.
no, deckard will save us.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUnG9V4LoVk
Has it taken off actually or is it meme grade? I haven't seen anyone wear it IRL but maybe I will?
>weight at least 600g without batteries>front-heavy
I wouldn't even use this device if it were a gift and fully open-source. Never been a fan of Steve Jobs, but I think he would have done the right thing here and prevented this from being shipped. Why isn't all computing stuff offloaded to something on your belt?>>19850
As poster >>23352
noted, they have an anti-porn policy.>>23352
Maybe a second version will take off.
>>23359>I wouldn't even use this device if it were a gift and fully open-source. Never been a fan of Steve Jobs, but I think he would have done the right thing here and prevented this from being shipped. Why isn't all computing stuff offloaded to something on your belt?
I think the best solution for "standalone" vr is going to be something like a bigscreen beyond on you face plugged into a steam deck in your backpack
>>23359>I wouldn't even use this device if it were a gift and fully open-source
I would unironically. That would actually be rather based.
anon you should mention the custom de they made for the simula. Last I checked, it could be compatible with practically any VR system, assuming that the displays have a high enough dpi for clear text. I do have a few more bits of knowledge that might help, but I can't be bothered to info dump unless someone actually wants it
it is an open-source devkit for vr development, although you'd have to fidget around a bit so it can fit your usecase. does have a dependancy on steamvr if you're planning to play vidya
He even does that stupid open mouth reaction for every thumbnail to his videos
>>19877>>19880>announced 2021>still in preorder
"Westerners" aren't worried, the people who use this for porn will mostly be flyover proles like you. Too expensive? other companies will make cheaper, knock-off versions of Apple products like they always have.
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