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https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/17/foss_funding_vanishes_from_eus/
EU is eliminating NGI grants which fund the development of many open source projects. You can browse some of the projects here: https://nlnet.nl/project/index.html

>>26078

>>26080
what the fuck is "interclassist reform"

Oh so it's like when you say you're going to kick the immigrants out. I get it, you're retarded.

>>26083
you're going to specify what every single term in that spiel refers to in this particular circumstance, or i'm going to call you a pseud and a wrecker.

>>26084
>explain what these basic marxist terms mean
Are you fucking serious?

Once more, it is not the job of the proletarians to fight for any civil rights that do not directly pertain to the expansion of its class association, be it in this case provisions such as the welfare state. Your average proletarian is never going to a fancy college, nor buying a home, nor starting their own business. These policies benefit middle-classers, who seek to defend their small reserves against the encouragement of large capital. For them these kind of policies are a boon, a lifeline to help them stay afloat, to entitle them to their 'rightful' share of bourgeois wealth as 'free and equal' members of bourgeois citizenry.

Leftypol be like: fuck electoralism and fuck succdem libs
Leftypol about reforms: me and the bestie!

>>26085
dude, just say that you're a neoliberal and you like austerity. stop being a coward.

>>26087
You're a liberal whining that a specific nation-state isn't giving money to small businesses but to large capital. And you call me the "neoliberal" (applying "neoliberalism", a stage of capitalism, to people is doubly retarded too).

>>26088
>small businesses
many of those projects are just a few hackers with a tech project they want to work on. they have no employees.

did you just see something you didn't understand and chimped out and assumed it was petit bourg? that's probably it. embarrassing. you're probably a hazdrone who thinks knowledge work doesn't count as being a prole and only manual labor does

>>26088
neoliberalism is an ideology btw

>>26089
>it's not a small business it's just independent artisans
Lol. Fucking read Marx before you keep doubling down on the retardation.

>you're probably a hazdrone who thinks knowledge work doesn't count as being a prole and only manual labor does

You're a mush-brained dipshit just like those "third-worldists" you try to strawman me as. A proletarian working as a construction laborer under miserable conditions with no reserves, and a petit-bourgeois college student do not and cannot have the same class interest. To try to categorise both as homogeneous political subjects with an identity of interests merely is a completely false claim and entirely anti-communist.

>>26090
It's a vague term applied to a recent development of global capital. If you think communism is about welfare then you're beyond retarded.

>>26091
>>it's not a small business it's just independent artisans
>Lol. Fucking read Marx before you keep doubling down on the retardation.
They are given a grant by the state in order to perform the labor laid out in the contract. They are literal wage laborers. You are a retard.

>You're a mush-brained dipshit just like those "third-worldists" you try to strawman me as. A proletarian working as a construction laborer under miserable conditions with no reserves, and a petit-bourgeois college student do not and cannot have the same class interest. To try to categorise both as homogeneous political subjects with an identity of interests merely is a completely false claim and entirely anti-communist.

You know how fucking in debt the average college student is? You're FUCKING delusional.

>It's a vague term applied to a recent development of global capital.

It has a dual meaning like many other political terms that a complete novice to politics would be familiar with

>If you think communism is about welfare then you're beyond retarded.

It's not welfare, they're doing labor in exchange for money

you

are

a

wrecker

>>26092
point out the property that these people own

>average russian worker in 1904 owned the clothes on their backs
"wow, wtf, propertied petit-bourg fucks, call me when the REAL proles start a revolution"

the EU is a bourgeois project, and too much funding for free software (computer communism) threatens profits
>>26078
>middle-class
fucking Weberists get the fuck off my board GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

>>26101
>free software (computer communism) threatens profits
It's more a commons to be exploited universally, especially by corporations, than communism. Communism is a social system and ignoring the system to focus on a sector makes something as silly as free work seem like communism, regardless of the state of the workers. Government grants for otherwise free works seems to be rather close. It threatens profits in that the commons haven't been enclosed, and benefits in that the commons haven't been enclosed. Financialization of certain commons actually harms markets, e.g. insurance.

>>26077
>EU is eliminating NGI grants which fund the development of many open source projects.
From a national industrial policy perspective, ideally you'd have other countries engage in FOSS, while you rake in the dough. Otherwise they're sort of ripping you off. This is likely the EU intent. (Almost deserves a Chinese flag on the post though).

You don't get it, they need the money to invest in AI.

>>26104
>You don't get it, they need the money to invest in AI.
<We are talking about €20 million - almost nothing with regards to the Horizon budget, but a huge effort from a FOSS community point of view
Still do wonder about how "Industry 4.0" will play out as mentioned in: >>26015 >>26050 If redirecting spending from basic infrastructure towards AI etc. is the intent then it may very well not go well.

>>26077
It makes sense for them as a bourgeois vanguard to do that. There are roughly two categories within foss (they overlap): (a) consumer software, like firefox, and (b) enterprise tooling, like gnu/linux. Funding the first would mean sabotaging the market for proprietary software, advertisement, etc. Funding the second means subsidizing the production costs of maybe some european companies, but mostly chinese and american companies.

A more sophisticated bourgeois approach for funding (b) would be to replicate the american model of 501c NGOs and tax deductions. This isn't really about class politics because foss developers are not a class. For capital, foss oscillates between a necessary evil (tooling) and a disease that turns potential consumers into satisfied strangers.

>>26077
>a bourgeois trade union doesn't care about FLOSS
Cover me surprised.

>>26103
It isn't always computer communism but it sure is computer socialism due to its collaborative development. And some libre software is developed for the immediate use so one can view that as computer permaculture.

>>26101
>fucking Weberists
Marxism-Weberism is a thing, dude, not all Weberists are retarded, they actually can use the Marxian class analysis. Apologize to all the Marxists-Weberists on this board.

>>26085
Your LARP is so tiresome.

>>26179
Think it might even be less "computer socialism" than "computer communism" at least the latter evolves giving while the former would require above all earning, to an even more radical extent than capitalism.

File: 1721684994135.mp4 (2.85 MB, 1000x940, weberists.mp4)

>>26180
>not all Weberists are retarded

>>26183
Well, some developers do sell their software. Anyways, communism is a form of socialism, that's the point I was making. Sure, corporations like Google build their software on top of libre software contributions (AOSP) but it's not the fault of libre software but rather corporate parasites leeching off of the years of work of the libre software community. And they don't contribute anything back so they're still proprietary software developers poisoning libre software. Other than RedHat (although RHEL is now proprietary I heard) everything else definitely is socialistic or communistic. Because communization is the real movement that abolishes the current state of things.

>>26189
Only Weberists who read Marx (neo-Marxists) are not retarded. 90% of Weberists are retarded though.

>>26195
you can certainly read Weber and find him interesting, but his conception of class is still fundamentally anti-Marxian

>>26193
Guess don't contribute is referring to Poettering etc. A bunch of Kibbutz would be nice, but that's not what free software makes. It's closer to a free digital publisher, and being digital thusly is lacking true community.

>>26198
>you can certainly read Weber and find him interesting, but his conception of class is still fundamentally anti-Marxian
Well, sure. That's why Marxists-Weberists don't use it.

>>26200
>true community
1. Communism is not "community," it's an economic system.
2. Sufficiently organized libre software developers are no less of a community than your average workplace.
3. The social aspect of communism is overemphasized, communism doesn't have to have a strong emphasis on fraternity to be communist, both egoist communism and anarcho-primitivism are a thing.

>>26215 (me)
Communism is common ownership of the means of production (libre software fulfills this definition). If it was just communitarianism then I wouldn't support it. No more than I would fascism, I don't want a community imposed on me from the outside, sometimes (many times in fact) I just want to do things by myself.

>>26215
>>26217
Free software when used in production is collective ownership of a means of production but not of the means of production. This was more effectively my original argument. Worker that produce free software can be denied needs and thus in an even worse position than if it was produced under capitalism. My comments on Kibbutz where just in replies to the statement: "Because communization is the real movement that abolishes the current state of things." Which was interpreted as referring to communes.

>>26224
>>26224
>My comments on Kibbutz where just in replies to the statement: "Because communization is the real movement that abolishes the current state of things." Which was interpreted as referring to communes
Well… kinda? I mean, a Git repo is a kind of a digital commune to which everyone contributes work and resources.

Yeah, I get it, in the grand scheme of things those are just islands in the capitalist sea. That's why I chose to use the word "communization" because communism may more appropriately refer to a communist society, which I'm obviously not talking about.

>>26234
This is fair enough.


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