/tech/ - Technology

Oh absolutely, in fact I think a lot of the panic about phones is really;
- the existence of the core web
- how much the core web is trying to be like TV in it's dying breath.

>TV is worse than radio
agreed, FM channels are better, both for transmission and music production(ym2608 FM sound chips)
<posts random alastor pic

>>26270
When my apartment had a free tv connection, i sometimes put on a stargate sg-1 rerun. There were some good documentary channels, but even they usually showed boring ass true crime and triviaslop on weekends.
>>26273
>core web
Stop forcing this shit meme. Just say FAGMAN or social media.

>>26277
>FAGMAN
Telling on yourself, lolbert.
>social media.
There is social media outside the core web, you are using one right now and you obviously know about federation.

Another "politics as defined by my lifestyle" thread.

>>26270
I mostly consider tv a dead medium but… TV doesnt get you as invested as those other things do. Very few people would sit and watch tv for 12 hours, it's just never that interesting. Even as a kid I can remember friends coming over and we would maybe watch 2 episodes of something max before we just got bored and would go outside/play video games/cards. We even had satellite so 500ish channels yet TV was never a primary form of entertainment for us. You also can't take it with you everywhere you go so you had a disconnection from it, the people I know now are checking their phone every 10 minutes no matter where they are or what they're doing. No one would do that with tv because you basicall couldnt unless you were home all day. You would disconnet from it and be in the real world but phones are always there. Content wise I agree with you. Everyone had the same exact experience on tv but with computers and newer tech this is far from the case, but most people dont tinker either so you have to account for that.

But imagine the data collection and surveilance differences too. A TV couldnt really gather a single thing about you, whereas phones know you better than your family does. So when I say "phones are worse than TV" it's not so much about user agency as it is technological capabilities and the addictions people have gotten to them.

The first computers used TVs as monitors. Also old computers use to ship with VHS tapes telling you how to hook them up.

>>26287
>instisting on le small buisnesses vs corpos framework rather than simply acknowledging there is a core web and peripheral web, acknowledging the core's unsustainability and how it's finally running dry on venture capital and zero interest loans, and thinking about how the internet will work when the web periphery will have to handle the load, and methods of doing so without power vaccums.
Like you came in here and got mad I didn't use /g/ schizobabble. I used my terminology with intent, these are not analougous concepts

>>26293
>>instisting on le small buisnesses vs corpos framework
Doing this shit as a communist is so funny. It's the same logic behind third-worldism too, but applied to geopolitics.

>>26293
>>instisting on le small buisnesses vs corpos framework
>calls corpos le core web to distinguish them from small businesses
<i-i'm not projecting
It isn't even particularly useful to make this delineation. This "core web" is intimately connected to a slew of medium to small corporate or hobby sites. The average user seems to crave the homogenized look powered by the same couple of web services and cross-site account integration, which soydevs are happy to push literally anywhere. Like you can't even submit a nintendo switch theme file to https://themezer.net without making a disc0rd account. Shit is beyond parody.

>>26298
>calls corpos le core web to distinguish them from small businesses
Core web is a logistical descriptor, not a scale descriptor. The core web would persist if you could swap Tumblr for PillowFort, Twitter for BlueSky, fbi.gov for TeamSpeak, ect… and it somehow not collapse due to impending logistical issues that render these small buisnesses impossible. A shift to protocals like activitypub, mumble, ect… and personal websites–rather than profiles on platforms–is necessary when the option to just stay as things currently are isn't feasable.
>The average user seems to crave the homogenized look powered by the same couple of web services and cross-site account integration
No, these services embraced, extended and extinguished the tech literacy involved to not be dependent on them out of young internauts. They aren't ecstatic about some non-existent convenience, their lack of tech literacy makes doing otherwise inconvenient, in the same way video essays are only more convenient than written essays to those who reading education was stunted–you've fallen for and are reinforcing a sales pitch.
>which soydevs are happy to push literally anywhere.
Okay so you aren't even pretending not to be a /g/ tourist now. I don't need to know your downdoots from your updoots, speak English.
>Like you can't even submit a nintendo switch theme file to https://themezer.net without making a disc0rd account. Shit is beyond parody.
Post it yourself on your website, and if such does not already exist make an index, not everything needs to be a platform with a userbase.

>>26300
>these services embraced, extended and extinguished the tech literacy
Deskilling in general is an inevitability of capitalism anyway.

>out of young internauts
They were never "tech literate" in the first place, as they've grown up with Android/iOS instead of Windows/Linux/MacOS.

>>26300
>Core web is a logistical descriptor, not a scale descriptor.
What does this distinction serve except your pointless posturing. The magnitude of financial capital of a web company is directly correlated its their page visits and dominance over the marketplace.
>A shift to protocals like activitypub, mumble, ect… and personal websites–rather than profiles on platforms–is necessary
Drafting technical solutions for the social fallout of capitalism is a lost cause. GNUnet, TOR and IPFS will never replace TCP/IP/HTTP/HTML5/JS. Currently they are only useful as tools in their own right.
>They aren't ecstatic about some non-existent convenience
It wasn't an assertion, neither a value judgement. The modern web operates on the assumption of user-friendliness and derives enough confirmation to reinforce the trend.
>not everything needs to be a platform with a userbase
I have my files either way, it was my attempt at "giving back to the community". The point was to illustrate web monopolization is not the problem of "people not visiting my smol bean site". It is a perniscious blight upon all user interaction on the internet.
>>soydevs
How would you describe the average github user? These people the foot soldiers implementing this kind of web design. Shockingly they do it for free with the purported ideology of convenience and "modern web design".

I've literally never visited 4chan all my life btw.

>>26302
>Deskilling in general is an inevitability of capitalism anyway.
Yes. so you understand this principally, and now the profiting parties of this deskilling are packing up as there is no more feasable profit to be extracted, so organizing and reskilling the proletariat is necessary and will be unimpeded (within this specific field, the rest of capitalism is approaching that but slower and with the threat of the alternative of barbarism)
>They were never "tech literate" in the first place, as they've grown up with Android/iOS instead of Windows/Linux/MacOS.
Yes, I'm saying the newest line of internauts aren't as tech literate as their predecessors. That's why I specified young internauts. Adults shifting into the same habits is a different set of issues and is secondary to the issue of youth tech literacy as they can easily just follow the tides wherever. (though this has compounded generationally)

>>26305 (me)
Eh, big citation needed asterisk on "and will be unimpeded," I'ven't explored that line of thought too much yet.

>>26303
>What does this distinction serve except your pointless posturing. The magnitude of financial capital of a web company is directly correlated its their page visits and dominance over the marketplace.
If you aren't capable of figuring out why mumble has managed to take up so much of this "market" despite not even being a platform, and think Gilded is just going to be fbi.gov 2.0 with nearly the same wind in it's sails, I'm not sure how I could convey that to you.
>Drafting technical solutions for the social fallout of capitalism is a lost cause. GNUnet, TOR and IPFS will never replace TCP/IP/HTTP/HTML5/JS. Currently they are only useful as tools in their own right.
>GNUnet, TOR and IPFS will never replace TCP/IP/HTTP/HTML5/JS
Those are all open source protocols, what does that have to do with core / periphery web? Do you think I'm one of those types that think Gopher is a Retvrn thing? Is that what you think we're talking about?
>The modern web operates on the assumption of user-friendliness and derives enough confirmation to reinforce the trend.
The non-core web alternatives are user-friendily too and are continuing to develop such, tech literacy isn't linear, it takes the same amount of effort to learn the core web stuff as non-core web stuff–as you can see if you've ever tried explaining to your parents why "their google stopped working" every time Windows does a dark pattern–again you're falling for a sales pitch.
>I have my files either way, it was my attempt at "giving back to the community". The point was to illustrate web monopolization is not the problem of "people not visiting my smol bean site". It is a perniscious blight upon all user interaction on the internet.
Again just post it yourself on a personal website, your nintendo switch theme sharing fbi.gov guild API public frontend only have a monopoly over the contents of their own guild, and thinking you must kneel to them specifically to give back to the community lets them initiate phase extinguish. People will find your theme through surfing and indexes, and the community will no longer be tethered to that. Same for any similar example.
>How would you describe the average github user?
Rug-pulled and vast.
>These people the foot soldiers implementing this kind of web design. Shockingly they do it for free with the purported ideology of convenience and "modern web design".
The framework fandom is annoying, I agree, but not particularly relevant to the core / periphery web discussion. No need to put all our frustrations in a soup.
>I've literally never visited 4chan all my life btw.
Odd, but I guess channisms tend to leak everywhere like an oil spill so I believe ya.
Do you watch YouTubers that use /g/ or have a particularly strong intersection with that crowd? I think everyone with an interest in FOSS stuff seen a couple Mental Outlaw videos at least once before piecing together his grift slowly because he's needlessly subtle about it.

>>26308
>If you aren't capable of figuring out why mumble
I don't particularly care about any of those protocols. My interaction with the web is centered around a few topics of interest. Some lead me to sanely designed webpages, other lead me through a javashit sludge i'm sick of by now.
>Do you think I'm one of those types that think Gopher is a Retvrn thing?
There is one gopherhole i visited a few times. I appreciate the user experience of gopher, IPFS, and onions and in different ways. No matter if the aim is to retvrn or establish new technologies, it is impossible to unseat the web monopoly in its current form.
>it takes the same amount of effort to learn the core web stuff
Not much to do with what i said. The current web paradigm reinforces itself by being pushed onto the average user. This is construed as user-friendliness. Fixing the web hinges on loosening the monopoly on web design practices.
>Again just post it yourself on a personal website
If i had time to make a personal site, i would have made one already.
>not particularly relevant to the core / periphery web discussion
I reject the "core / periphery" discussion. I don't care if blogger.com is owned by google or neocities.org gets a lot of traffic as long as they are half-decent sites. IMO the only reason why so many good sites are situated along the "web periphery" is because it includes the vast majority of sites and social media is dogshit by design.
>I guess channisms tend to leak
I'm a bunkerchan "oldfag". Why are we having this discussion on an imageboard of all places? While i don't watch mental outlaw, i saw him using a soyjak i made in one of his thumbnails.

>>26309
>While i don't watch mental outlaw, i saw him using a soyjak i made in one of his thumbnails
Share the gem with us

>>26290
What you're saying is true but, as >>26273 has pointed out, the Internet is trying to be more like TV now so many of the negative effects smartphones have on people can be traced back to television. Besides, the best case scenario with television is that you can record the show you already know is good (with all the ads if you don't have an ad-skipping functionality built-in which is most TV sets nowadays) or restrict your viewing to channels with the minimal amount of advertisement (which is rarely your average hotel TV) which are guaranteed to show something good while constantly checking the TV programme on what episodes you need to catch up on while the best-case scenario for smartphones is a powerful GNU/Linux pocket computer through which you can SSH into your home server, use Emacs, watch Netflix or EVEN watch cable TV. The issue isn't with smartphones but with iPhone and proprietary software and web services dumbing things down. Smartphones should have remained the devices for nerds, but then came the normies and ruined everything.
>>26280
>Telling on yourself, lolbert.
Have to agree with the other anon, "core web" is just what zoomers call the corpo web. That does not mean we say that the petty bourgeoisie are awesome, that's a very simplistic view of the world. But normal web is better than the corpo web and if it makes me a lolbert then whatever, I'm a Stirnerite anyway, I don't care about these moralistic purity tests. I just see how the Big Tech is the biggest threat towards software freedom and point it out.
>>26302
>Linux
Fake /g/tard, it's "GNU/Linux."

>>26343
>The issue isn't with smartphones but with iPhone and proprietary software and web services dumbing things down. Smartphones should have remained the devices for nerds, but then came the normies and ruined everything.
Yeah it's way too capitalist/consumer focused now. Companies are incentivized to take away as much rights as possible from end users where instead we should be looking to empower people kind of like the early internet/computers. Personally I’ve really started resenting phones just because of how universal they are now and the expectations it all brings. Like if you don’t want to be part of this surveillance botnet you’re looked at as a freak. Even the people I know who know this and agree with me are still just as addicted to it as the average person is. It's kind of demoralizing.

>>26270
oh absolutely, only legitimately lobotomized people can stand to watch television. in terms of negative social effects, tv and radio (especially AM radio) are far worse than smartphones. i feel like much of the bitching about smartphones comes from them being shitty to use.

you know there are cars being made now that don't have AM radios built into them? this is wonderful as now the boomers buying the cars will be unable to have a firehose of reactionary propaganda piped into their heads the moment they step into the car to drive anywhere. furthermore, Starlink satellite internet will give cell phones connectivity anywhere on earth in the next couple years, meaning people will be able to choose what to listen to over the internet instead of just settling for listening to whatever's on the radio (invariably either boring music or screaming fascist punditry) whenever they travel. this gigantic source of propaganda being cut off will lead to a rise in public intelligence not seen since the invention of the printing press.

>>26270
I avoid watching broadcast television whenever possible, I hate commercials so much. And it's not even simply that they're trying to sell me products, commercials are designed in such a way to be incredibly obnoxious. They are all trying to be relatable and emotionally manipulative, rather than just trying to sell the damn thing. I would be happy to watch 10 minutes straight of Bill Mays tier ads but that's not what commercials are like nowadays.

>>26375
50 years ago was the mid 70s, ads were already all 'artsy' then, you're thinking more like the early 50s.

yes I remember the pre-internet era when all people did was watch TV. And it was like a one way propaganda source. At least on the internet literally anyone can share information, and you can take on the responsibility of verifying it. With TV and radio it was nothing but whatever is relayed by whoever has control over the broadcast.

>>26270
ever heard of switching the channel, OP?

>>26425
>and you can take on the responsibility of verifying it

Most people choose not to and choose to believe what they want to believe.
When I was younger I used to think that the internet would basically prevent the populace from being duped into…anything, because theres that two-way sharing of information aspect to it. But now its obvious that it, too, can be subverted and used by the powers that be to make us forget that they are the enemy.