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So, I'm a musician, who wants to have a musical career (a lot of communist musicians had stable careers) and meanwhile stupid porkies tell me that "no, we'd prefer if you were replaced, prole, because there if no place for people like you" and I hear, not only music, but other art, computer science, programming etc. will be replaced by AI. How do we stop this, so people are still prosperous in the real socialst societies?
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>>29858
>Lmaooo no.
We are talking about production technology not your favorite new imaginary gender sexuality.

>>29861
>calling it reactionary fear (your words)
>adamant in denying its just culture war shit
>thinks culture war is when queers, and only when queers
lol

btw learn to greentext newfag

>>29862
>you are not green texting properly like the other 12-year-old memers
Absolute state.

>>29832
>guys what if the gun was used to shoot you
yeah, all tech can and will be used in a wide variety of ways.

AI is a bubble, it cannot becoem sapient. Hopefully people will realize the limitations of AI and hopefully the bubble with finally pop.

>Baizuo Communists
>"We want gay luxury space communism"
>Technology comes out that is practically the beginnings of Holodeck level shit (VR/Real time AI generation/Real Time Universal Translator)
>"NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT".
AI is a overall good and overall good for Socialists, it furthers the technological argument and march towards Socialism. Communism will be powered by fucking AI and predictive models, which make a planned economy easier than fucking ever.
>But muh music.
Worked in the music industry for 15 years. Majority of mainstream music is fucking algorithm slop and has been since the 1995, like do you think Sabrina Carpenter songs aren't written by a team of professional shadow producers who scouer through every trend to form patterns then turn those patterns in what is trending into fucking memorized/on paper Algorithms? Kpop in particular has been to a microscope copy-paste algorithm slop for literally 20 years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ips2mM7Zqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nCLBTmjJBY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APB-AKpnKT4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTlv5_Bs8aw
You can see the same 1:1 pattern, synths, flow etc through all of modern K-pop, and it's largely the same through all modern mainstream music.
Also frankly, if AI can produce stuff that is better than humans, why should I care? If a track is good, it's good. But the reality is, AI will never, ever touch actual creative musicians like say Pink Floyd or Shpongle or Led Zepplin or King Gizzard or Sleep so all AI does is raise the bar and perhaps wipe out completely lazy slop genres like mainstream pop and rap/hip hop.
>But muh art.
Digital art is, and has always been, fucking garbage. I mean for nerds, compare old warhammer art to the modern digital art. In fact, one of my hopes for AI is that it can be trained to return texture, and "microscopic" differences in pigments so digital art doesn't look like flat fucking dogshit.
Either way, don't fight against the wind. AI just furthers the argument that Capitalism is retarded, since if a fucking AI does all the functional work, planning, predicting, what is the point of a Capitalist?

>>29879
>mainstream
Irrelevant and also not legitamately measurable since the internet, possibly even the cassete tape
>lazy slop genres like (,,,) rap/hip hop
Please learn music theory, and I mean acutally learn it and not just vgh about the simplicity of classical music. That includes jazz, hip hop and EDM's advancements in it. You should be able to write 20 page essay about a Halley Labs album.

Otherwise yes it is easy to bs your way through a profitable music career and AI stands to trim away some of the corpo jobs that enable that. I think the only reason why corps bother with human artists is the parasociality, and now that the internet mogged them so hard in that regard that they'll never catch up, they've got a lot of vestigial idols to liquidate. Eminem and Kanye will both be sent to a farm pretty soon.

>>29881
>That includes jazz, hip hop and EDM's advancements in it.
I know about advancements in the genre, but modern hip hop/rap is fucking lazy as shit and has been since the early 2010s where the genre should have died in relevance as the fad it was like Pop punk or Electro House.
The genre is pushed heavily by the industry because
1: Zoomers and late millennials worship black people and black culture and think anything black people do is "cool" and instantly has underground cred. hence for example why anime was cringe for losers, but as soon as black influencers starting unveiling power level, now every zoomer, even women, larp as hentai loving weebs. Tracks that would be seen as fucking lazy as fuck, from white artists are suddenly "The greatest lyricist of all time" if from a black artist. (coughkaynecouglamar)
2: It's cheap as fuck, and lazy as fuck to make, and you have a billion soundcloud tryhards with garage band level tracks that you can pick and choose from that the mainstream will eat up.
There are far, FAR more artists deserving of mainsteam success than 99.999% of successful mainstream artists today, and frankly, if this was the 70s, 80s or early-mid 1990s, a lot of them probably would be successful and most of the mainstream pop artists of now would be one hit wonders.

AI cutting edge research is more or less coalescing around the idea that AI does not think actually, the chain of thought shit that gets printed on the screen is the machine making a grotesque imitation of how humans infer shit and it has no bearing on the result, Researchers only know that additional tokens make for somewhat better results but these tokens could be blank. The fact that this is the kind of paper that is doing the rounds and not the Fraudio Amodei shit about how machines are secretly plotting between answers to make you think that they love you but they don't shows that LLM researchers are abandoning the idea of major improvements on the short and long term

>>29882
>died in relevance
What, like an influencer losing relevance? We're talking about a music genre. This is like saying an ingredient dying in relevance because recipes use it less frequently.
>generationpol
Marketing brain
>black people are why anime stopped being cringe and not the end of cringe culture in general
Are you a minor or do you just live under a rock? Why would something persist to be cringe long after cringe culture ended?
>larp as hentai loving weebs
Which youtubers are you calling out here specifically?
>mainstream (demographic)
Terminal marketing brain.

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AI is expensive and doesn’t make any money so all the anxious petit-bourgeois can stop crying about it.

I could give you the whole Marxist spiel about falling rates of profit and why they’re doing all this, but this is fundamentally why markets would sell on news of new AI products. Its biggest representative OpenAI is being propped up by massive amounts of debt loaned on the promises of future profitability and it’s massive user base that they want to convert to paid subscriptions.

>dumbass managers are gonna replace capable programmers with AI
You gotta look at the positive side bros:
>dumbass managers are gonna replace capable programmers with AI
Cybersec business is gonna be booming

90% of vibecoders give up just before finding a prompt that works.

Google’s Veo demo includes a fake AI generated news report of literal fake news. I actually don’t know why they choose this as a demo. A cry for help? I think they don’t even know why they are building the tech they are. I can only infer that they must be thinking “if we don’t do it, a one of the eve more sociopathic founders in SV will”.

>>29897
>I think they don’t even know why they are building the tech they are
Because they're the only ones with youtube i.e. massive video library.

>>29897
fearmongering attracts investment.
>look at our amazingly powerful reality bending AI. this is the end of truth, the end of news, the end of trust, the end of the world, SO MUCH POWER….. and you can have a share in it for just $30billion more investment!!

>>29903
it kinda shows that veo specializes in recreating youtube videos lol, anything that isn't a literal flat plane with people talking looks dubious, so they featured news content in part because it's easy for veo to recreate convincingly. i dunno what's the point of this, it generates very credible but ultimately slop that is already a dime a dozen. like who wants to watch randomly generated people play fake-ass minecraft, there's tons of minecraft playthrough videos with 0 views already.

when the slave workers in Kenya, Pakistan, India, and China grow exponentially in size to filter the LLMs a little bit better, then maybe AI will be a bit better. But itll just be human labor and intelligence

>>30066
these poor fucks already getting sent gore and child porn and literal scat porn and images to better train the images to filter out . thats literally the only way they can train the prompts to get better. not a programmer. not a fucking ceo. literally the fucking proletariat mindlessly clicking yea or no on CSAM so the bourgeoise in china, america, wherever theyre developing this shit, doesnt get sued to fucking oblivion and the funny part is theyre already getting "threatened" to be sued by the proles because of the traumatizing imagery theyve gotta filter through to "train the algorithm"

>>30067
prole please click the piss filter ghibli slop blur brushed hyper pixellated photorealistic photo and not the teenager snuff film please please please heres 2 dollars an hour. Man nothing in this thread. Artists are right. Kill this slop. If not for the artists, for the workers sake.

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>be ai doomer
>be ai hater
>be ai hyper
>all states are irrelevant
<just don't be a skeptic
https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/105462127
last picrel and it's implications is the real question

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>>29654
>>29657
Had to reprogram this completely using another LLM to get it to work.
Think the main problem is to know your needs, and often at a fairly descent level.
"The parent window of popups are being raised above the popup in the following program. (How can we raise the popups on each iteration?)"
It's possible for the LLM to elucidate your needs, but it doesn't always give a convincing answer.
There's also simple related propositions like, don't ask for things you don't need or want.
After knowing your needs you have to enjoy and discern.
A critical component of using an LLM is this discernment, and avoiding frustration.
It sometimes takes many queries before you find the desired solution, or the solution sinks in.
Still think budgeting might be room for budgeting; it might even spur some innovations.
Overall am fairly pleased with LLMs at this point, and am hopeful they'll get better, working more efficiently even beyond scaling.

>>30086
The first budgeting should be LLMs ugh.

It's crazy the percentage of job listings (at least entry level python jobs) which are AI driven atm.

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shit's moving again, apparently they were backed by masayoshi son, the reverse midas himself


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also i dunno if it's true but some people are starting to notice OpenAI's imagegen quality has been degrading quite a bit as of late

>>30097
probably fired some of the guys who label information to be fed to LLMs and tried using the LLM itself to label it

Not sure if this belongs to /labour/, but I feel like we haven't talked enough about how AI is wrecking the job market. AIs are used to write and analyse CVs. People in my office use it all the time for a variety of purposes, from the production department using it for visuals, to Customer Service using it to reply to customers. Yes, you can gain some time in some ways, but you also lose a lot of quality. I've seen the texts generated by ChatGPT they send to clients, the syntax is so bad, whe you ask it to write in a certain style, it almost becomes a parody of said style… But somehow, they're pleased with the results.

I've even heard my boss at lunch say that AI is good for SMEs cause you can save up costs by asking Chat GPT for legal advice… I don't care for this fucking job, but I almost feel bad when I hear shit like this. People unironically feel like AI will be able to do everything in a few years, when it has only ever been able to do some things faster, and many of them more poorly.

Anything that destabilizes and causes crises in capitalism is a good thing, for the opportunity that it creates and not for the human suffering.

I empathize with the human suffering AI will cause through layoffs and stuff, but we as REVOLUTIONARY communists we cannot ignore that capitalist crises are the best times when the revolutionary movement can succeed.

So people should simultaneously empathise with people's concerns about AI, explain why it is inevitable incompatible with a capitalist future, and show them how communism can solve this problem.

It's really simple, and I really dont understand why this needs to be a 10000 post topic on every leftist forum.

>>27560
Same for artists tbqh
If you look into animation for instance it has been outsourced since the late 90s with shows like Batman Beyond, Boondocks, etc. Inbetween frames have been done by Koreans/China/Vietnam/etc. for decades for Japanese studios too. They'll never outsource key frames to AI, they're far too important.
>>27567
Porn commissions lost some demand due to it, you can decide how important that is yourself
>>27605
Yes AI as of now is mostly used to absolve people of responsibility. AI rejected your medical claim, not me! Unsupervised learning is really hard to categorize but they've basically legalized discrimination against protected groups again by correlating statistics that relate to race, socioeconomic status, etc.

>>30130
>Porn commissions lost some demand due to it
Which ones specifically, like did someone provide metrics of their commissions getting less frequent?

<The first form of genAI resistance to experiment is that every discussion is a motte-and-bailey. If I use a free model and get a bad result I’m told it’s because I should have used the paid model. If I get a bad result with ChatGPT I should have used Claude. If I get a bad result with a chatbot I need to start using an agentic tool. If an agentic tool deletes my hard drive by putting os.system(“rm -rf ~/”) into sitecustomize.py then I guess I should have built my own MCP integration with a completely novel heretofore never even considered security sandbox or something?

<What configuration, exactly, would let me make a categorical claim about these things? What specific methodological approach should I stick to, to get reliably adequate prompts?


<For the record though, if the idea of the free models is that they are going to be provocative demonstrations of the impressive capabilities of the commercial models, and the results are consistently dogshit, I am finding it increasingly hard to care how much better the paid ones are supposed to be, especially since the “better”-ness cannot really be quantified in any meaningful way.

https://blog.glyph.im/2025/06/i-think-im-done-thinking-about-genai-for-now.html#fnref:21:i-think-im-done-thinking-about-genai-for-now-2025-6

https://pluralistic.net/2025/05/27/rancid-vibe-coding/
> This has been at the heart of labor fights over automation since the Industrial Revolution, when skilled textile workers took up the Luddite cause because their bosses wanted to fire them and replace them with child workers snatched from Napoleonic War orphanages:
> https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/26/enochs-hammer/#thats-fronkonsteen
> Textile automation wasn't just about producing more cloth – it was about producing cheaper, worse cloth. The new machines were so easy a child could use them, because that's who was using them – kidnapped war orphans. The adult textile workers the machines displaced weren't afraid of technology. Far from it! Weavers used the most advanced machinery of the day, and apprenticed for seven years to learn how to operate it. Luddites had the equivalent of a Masters in Engineering from MIT.
Were the Luddites actually based? /leftypol/ told me they were reactionary.

>>30139
i don't get it. if vibe coding is already so good, why are big ideas guys and thought leaders and industry disruptors and crypto baron captains of VC industry not simply telling the LLM to make them 30 billion dollars by tomorrow? want a cool business idea? ask the LLM, i'm sure it has an answer, ask it to make a tech solution to solve the problem that that new business would, ask it to generate an effective marketing campaign, ask it to list the interested parties that the thought leader can "lunch with" to promote it, etc.

why isn't sam altman just asking chatgpt o3-tinylord-AGI-pre-release to go full AGI and make openai investors trillions?

>>30146
Was that meant as a reply to another post?

You can try to fight AI by poisoning files, videos and sites with unrelated meta-data (including. vid subs). Also require proof of work (such as mkproof or anubis) and use scraper tarpits. You could also use Gopher/Gemini or i2p or IPFS as alternative way to distribute your content.
>https://web.archive.org/web/20250603004157/https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/ai-haters-build-tarpits-to-trap-and-trick-ai-scrapers-that-ignore-robots-txt/

There's a trend on TikTok right now where people ask the AI to draw "what it's like to chat with me," and now I am actually truly spooked by the way people are using this thing.

I think we can conclusively state that Sam Altman has succeeded completely into deluding nearly all of his users into thinking they're talking to a human. The true nature of the technology is completely and totally obscured.

The use case seems to be almost insane levels of self-delusion and reinforcement that's actually scary. People are being told that making a pineapple cake is the most significant event of their lives. I hate this. And the thing is, they LOVE it. If you try to take this away from them they will kill themselves.

>>30177
>There's a trend on TikTok right now where people ask the AI to draw "what it's like to chat with me," and now I am actually truly spooked by the way people are using this thing.
I dunno in some ways I feel like it's essentially the same thing as astrology, which people use in lieu of actually examining themselves

In other AI news, AI "researchers" online have been coping super hard with Apple's "the illusion of intelligence" paper, which kinda seems like it reinforces the other paper which found out the "chain of thought" reasoning models print out was complete made up gibberish and had no bearing on model output. That Apple decided to reveal it just as they released ios version god-knows-what-number is pretty revealing on what Apple is putting their stock on for the next year.

>>30177
>And the thing is, they LOVE it. If you try to take this away from them they will kill themselves.
normie narcissism isn't recognized or shamed enough. it's a surefire path to success if you make any product "about them".

it's what made "social media" the cancer it is currently. the internet was uncool nerdy shit until normies were enabled to bring their high-school social politics about who is cool and influencer vs who is pleb and too ugly to be on camera fully online.


>>30181
>erm trying to improve an outcome is like gambling
as much as i hate ai slop this is some shit that could only convince some academic retard

>>30182
you are literally rolling dice

>>30183
(academic tard voice) playing d&d with your bros is literally gambling

>>30184
Why do you think it is so much fun?

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>>30181
>>30182
It's even more retarded, it's not only calling it gambling, but a gambling addiction.

>>30181
>>30185
this shit about "social networks are like slot machines" is extremely overstated. it's not completely off-the-mark, because it's true that it's somewhat like a video game skinner box, but people don't become physiologically dependent on refreshing xitter or prompting chatGPT, and in most cases, it takes the slightest friction between the user and the UX to completely destroy the habit, which is what begs the question: how many regular users of jippity would stick to jippity of it removes the free tier.

>>30189
>social networks are like slot machines
no, they are not. not everything is predatory and victimizing and completely out of your hands.

people like this stuff, they willingly opt-in and will call you a nerd or something when you tell them it's not a good idea, then when it goes predictably, they whine about privacy and evil corps or whatever else.

this situation is not some corp-engineered thing, people actively helped the corps in bringing it about.

>>30194
>no, they are not. not everything is predatory and victimizing and completely out of your hands.
quote me on wherever the fuck you feel i implied this. i just said that refreshing xitter feeds, prompting genAI fishing for adequate results, etc, is a bit like a skinnerbox, that's it. further i said that habit formation relies almost completely on the UX being as frictionless as possible, because, and i hoped this implication was better understood, the enjoyment you get out of them is limited. the fuck is wrong with your debate addict brain.

>this situation is not some corp-engineered thing

<UX
<not corp-engineered
lmfao jobless buffoon.

>>30194
>everything is predatory and victimizing and completely out of your hands
I think that view of yours on display here is too doom and gloom.


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