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So, I'm a musician, who wants to have a musical career (a lot of communist musicians had stable careers) and meanwhile stupid porkies tell me that "no, we'd prefer if you were replaced, prole, because there if no place for people like you" and I hear, not only music, but other art, computer science, programming etc. will be replaced by AI. How do we stop this, so people are still prosperous in the real socialst societies?
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>>29897
>I think they don’t even know why they are building the tech they are
Because they're the only ones with youtube i.e. massive video library.

>>29897
fearmongering attracts investment.
>look at our amazingly powerful reality bending AI. this is the end of truth, the end of news, the end of trust, the end of the world, SO MUCH POWER….. and you can have a share in it for just $30billion more investment!!

>>29903
it kinda shows that veo specializes in recreating youtube videos lol, anything that isn't a literal flat plane with people talking looks dubious, so they featured news content in part because it's easy for veo to recreate convincingly. i dunno what's the point of this, it generates very credible but ultimately slop that is already a dime a dozen. like who wants to watch randomly generated people play fake-ass minecraft, there's tons of minecraft playthrough videos with 0 views already.

when the slave workers in Kenya, Pakistan, India, and China grow exponentially in size to filter the LLMs a little bit better, then maybe AI will be a bit better. But itll just be human labor and intelligence

>>30066
these poor fucks already getting sent gore and child porn and literal scat porn and images to better train the images to filter out . thats literally the only way they can train the prompts to get better. not a programmer. not a fucking ceo. literally the fucking proletariat mindlessly clicking yea or no on CSAM so the bourgeoise in china, america, wherever theyre developing this shit, doesnt get sued to fucking oblivion and the funny part is theyre already getting "threatened" to be sued by the proles because of the traumatizing imagery theyve gotta filter through to "train the algorithm"

>>30067
prole please click the piss filter ghibli slop blur brushed hyper pixellated photorealistic photo and not the teenager snuff film please please please heres 2 dollars an hour. Man nothing in this thread. Artists are right. Kill this slop. If not for the artists, for the workers sake.

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>be ai doomer
>be ai hater
>be ai hyper
>all states are irrelevant
<just don't be a skeptic
https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/105462127
last picrel and it's implications is the real question

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>>29654
>>29657
Had to reprogram this completely using another LLM to get it to work.
Think the main problem is to know your needs, and often at a fairly descent level.
"The parent window of popups are being raised above the popup in the following program. (How can we raise the popups on each iteration?)"
It's possible for the LLM to elucidate your needs, but it doesn't always give a convincing answer.
There's also simple related propositions like, don't ask for things you don't need or want.
After knowing your needs you have to enjoy and discern.
A critical component of using an LLM is this discernment, and avoiding frustration.
It sometimes takes many queries before you find the desired solution, or the solution sinks in.
Still think budgeting might be room for budgeting; it might even spur some innovations.
Overall am fairly pleased with LLMs at this point, and am hopeful they'll get better, working more efficiently even beyond scaling.

>>30086
The first budgeting should be LLMs ugh.

It's crazy the percentage of job listings (at least entry level python jobs) which are AI driven atm.

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shit's moving again, apparently they were backed by masayoshi son, the reverse midas himself


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also i dunno if it's true but some people are starting to notice OpenAI's imagegen quality has been degrading quite a bit as of late

>>30097
probably fired some of the guys who label information to be fed to LLMs and tried using the LLM itself to label it

Not sure if this belongs to /labour/, but I feel like we haven't talked enough about how AI is wrecking the job market. AIs are used to write and analyse CVs. People in my office use it all the time for a variety of purposes, from the production department using it for visuals, to Customer Service using it to reply to customers. Yes, you can gain some time in some ways, but you also lose a lot of quality. I've seen the texts generated by ChatGPT they send to clients, the syntax is so bad, whe you ask it to write in a certain style, it almost becomes a parody of said style… But somehow, they're pleased with the results.

I've even heard my boss at lunch say that AI is good for SMEs cause you can save up costs by asking Chat GPT for legal advice… I don't care for this fucking job, but I almost feel bad when I hear shit like this. People unironically feel like AI will be able to do everything in a few years, when it has only ever been able to do some things faster, and many of them more poorly.

Anything that destabilizes and causes crises in capitalism is a good thing, for the opportunity that it creates and not for the human suffering.

I empathize with the human suffering AI will cause through layoffs and stuff, but we as REVOLUTIONARY communists we cannot ignore that capitalist crises are the best times when the revolutionary movement can succeed.

So people should simultaneously empathise with people's concerns about AI, explain why it is inevitable incompatible with a capitalist future, and show them how communism can solve this problem.

It's really simple, and I really dont understand why this needs to be a 10000 post topic on every leftist forum.

>>27560
Same for artists tbqh
If you look into animation for instance it has been outsourced since the late 90s with shows like Batman Beyond, Boondocks, etc. Inbetween frames have been done by Koreans/China/Vietnam/etc. for decades for Japanese studios too. They'll never outsource key frames to AI, they're far too important.
>>27567
Porn commissions lost some demand due to it, you can decide how important that is yourself
>>27605
Yes AI as of now is mostly used to absolve people of responsibility. AI rejected your medical claim, not me! Unsupervised learning is really hard to categorize but they've basically legalized discrimination against protected groups again by correlating statistics that relate to race, socioeconomic status, etc.

>>30130
>Porn commissions lost some demand due to it
Which ones specifically, like did someone provide metrics of their commissions getting less frequent?

<The first form of genAI resistance to experiment is that every discussion is a motte-and-bailey. If I use a free model and get a bad result I’m told it’s because I should have used the paid model. If I get a bad result with ChatGPT I should have used Claude. If I get a bad result with a chatbot I need to start using an agentic tool. If an agentic tool deletes my hard drive by putting os.system(“rm -rf ~/”) into sitecustomize.py then I guess I should have built my own MCP integration with a completely novel heretofore never even considered security sandbox or something?

<What configuration, exactly, would let me make a categorical claim about these things? What specific methodological approach should I stick to, to get reliably adequate prompts?


<For the record though, if the idea of the free models is that they are going to be provocative demonstrations of the impressive capabilities of the commercial models, and the results are consistently dogshit, I am finding it increasingly hard to care how much better the paid ones are supposed to be, especially since the “better”-ness cannot really be quantified in any meaningful way.

https://blog.glyph.im/2025/06/i-think-im-done-thinking-about-genai-for-now.html#fnref:21:i-think-im-done-thinking-about-genai-for-now-2025-6

https://pluralistic.net/2025/05/27/rancid-vibe-coding/
> This has been at the heart of labor fights over automation since the Industrial Revolution, when skilled textile workers took up the Luddite cause because their bosses wanted to fire them and replace them with child workers snatched from Napoleonic War orphanages:
> https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/26/enochs-hammer/#thats-fronkonsteen
> Textile automation wasn't just about producing more cloth – it was about producing cheaper, worse cloth. The new machines were so easy a child could use them, because that's who was using them – kidnapped war orphans. The adult textile workers the machines displaced weren't afraid of technology. Far from it! Weavers used the most advanced machinery of the day, and apprenticed for seven years to learn how to operate it. Luddites had the equivalent of a Masters in Engineering from MIT.
Were the Luddites actually based? /leftypol/ told me they were reactionary.

>>30139
i don't get it. if vibe coding is already so good, why are big ideas guys and thought leaders and industry disruptors and crypto baron captains of VC industry not simply telling the LLM to make them 30 billion dollars by tomorrow? want a cool business idea? ask the LLM, i'm sure it has an answer, ask it to make a tech solution to solve the problem that that new business would, ask it to generate an effective marketing campaign, ask it to list the interested parties that the thought leader can "lunch with" to promote it, etc.

why isn't sam altman just asking chatgpt o3-tinylord-AGI-pre-release to go full AGI and make openai investors trillions?

>>30146
Was that meant as a reply to another post?

You can try to fight AI by poisoning files, videos and sites with unrelated meta-data (including. vid subs). Also require proof of work (such as mkproof or anubis) and use scraper tarpits. You could also use Gopher/Gemini or i2p or IPFS as alternative way to distribute your content.
>https://web.archive.org/web/20250603004157/https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/ai-haters-build-tarpits-to-trap-and-trick-ai-scrapers-that-ignore-robots-txt/

There's a trend on TikTok right now where people ask the AI to draw "what it's like to chat with me," and now I am actually truly spooked by the way people are using this thing.

I think we can conclusively state that Sam Altman has succeeded completely into deluding nearly all of his users into thinking they're talking to a human. The true nature of the technology is completely and totally obscured.

The use case seems to be almost insane levels of self-delusion and reinforcement that's actually scary. People are being told that making a pineapple cake is the most significant event of their lives. I hate this. And the thing is, they LOVE it. If you try to take this away from them they will kill themselves.

>>30177
>There's a trend on TikTok right now where people ask the AI to draw "what it's like to chat with me," and now I am actually truly spooked by the way people are using this thing.
I dunno in some ways I feel like it's essentially the same thing as astrology, which people use in lieu of actually examining themselves

In other AI news, AI "researchers" online have been coping super hard with Apple's "the illusion of intelligence" paper, which kinda seems like it reinforces the other paper which found out the "chain of thought" reasoning models print out was complete made up gibberish and had no bearing on model output. That Apple decided to reveal it just as they released ios version god-knows-what-number is pretty revealing on what Apple is putting their stock on for the next year.

>>30177
>And the thing is, they LOVE it. If you try to take this away from them they will kill themselves.
normie narcissism isn't recognized or shamed enough. it's a surefire path to success if you make any product "about them".

it's what made "social media" the cancer it is currently. the internet was uncool nerdy shit until normies were enabled to bring their high-school social politics about who is cool and influencer vs who is pleb and too ugly to be on camera fully online.


>>30181
>erm trying to improve an outcome is like gambling
as much as i hate ai slop this is some shit that could only convince some academic retard

>>30182
you are literally rolling dice

>>30183
(academic tard voice) playing d&d with your bros is literally gambling

>>30184
Why do you think it is so much fun?

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>>30181
>>30182
It's even more retarded, it's not only calling it gambling, but a gambling addiction.

>>30181
>>30185
this shit about "social networks are like slot machines" is extremely overstated. it's not completely off-the-mark, because it's true that it's somewhat like a video game skinner box, but people don't become physiologically dependent on refreshing xitter or prompting chatGPT, and in most cases, it takes the slightest friction between the user and the UX to completely destroy the habit, which is what begs the question: how many regular users of jippity would stick to jippity of it removes the free tier.

>>30189
>social networks are like slot machines
no, they are not. not everything is predatory and victimizing and completely out of your hands.

people like this stuff, they willingly opt-in and will call you a nerd or something when you tell them it's not a good idea, then when it goes predictably, they whine about privacy and evil corps or whatever else.

this situation is not some corp-engineered thing, people actively helped the corps in bringing it about.

>>30194
>no, they are not. not everything is predatory and victimizing and completely out of your hands.
quote me on wherever the fuck you feel i implied this. i just said that refreshing xitter feeds, prompting genAI fishing for adequate results, etc, is a bit like a skinnerbox, that's it. further i said that habit formation relies almost completely on the UX being as frictionless as possible, because, and i hoped this implication was better understood, the enjoyment you get out of them is limited. the fuck is wrong with your debate addict brain.

>this situation is not some corp-engineered thing

<UX
<not corp-engineered
lmfao jobless buffoon.

>>30194
>everything is predatory and victimizing and completely out of your hands
I think that view of yours on display here is too doom and gloom.

There’s a lot of talk a bit about AI induced “phychosis” and cult-like groups forming online around LLMs, and I think this is not only definitely happening but ground zero for this is Silicon Valley. Anthropic is clearly a cult, OpenAI is a cult. It also believe this is very, very obvious to the point that it’s undeniable.

We are seeing a rare historical moment where a millenarian cult becomes extremely influential and powerful in society and politics. SV AI labs have already completed the process of totally dehumanizing themselves (seeing a human as simply an inferior “image” of AI, understanding all aspects of human experience and being completely in terms of AI, e.g. memory is RAG, knowledge are weights, simply put “you are a next word predictor”) and believe that the end of the world is imminent within a few years.

It's so over

>>30353
what a drama queen

>>30353
>AI now with soylennial personality
It just keeps getting worse, doesn't it?

>>30346
I think it may fire back onto SV, as it becomes an insular culture feedbacking into itself as they interface through the same AI shit they themselves train. Sort of like when Israel produces propaganda for the world, and it just reveals a culture that is fundamentally out of touch with humanity when they proudly praise their heroic semen extractors or whatever

https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872
A while ago, either here or in /edu/ we discussed AI in the early chatbot era; that these will improve students will cheat and that it will be time to go back to oral defenses of work

Anybody have the we warned you, you didn't listen now it's too late maymay handy?

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>>30451
I don't have that but it reminds me of this.

Attempts to label the technology as good or bad are reductionist.
Technological advancement has positive and negative impacts.
The tricky thing is to find the optimal use case.
This is a social problem as much as a technical one.
Would like to give some advice here, but wasn't joking when said it's difficult.

It's not very good at doing things it has limited data on, like debugging.
It seems people are much better at understanding smaller atomic updated (is there data on this?).
This lets us read and understand incrementally and makes reviews much easier.
Ideally there would be some way to break the loop of writing prompts when work needs to be done.
This probably means restricting the interface, this is something am working on presently.

>>30451
I don't necessarily see an issue with that provided students are previously instructed on how to perform oral defenses

Wrote a LSP server to interact with Aider for completion and custom code actions, but the lack of ability to make custom prompts and send the results without modifying the buffer has made it more or less useless compared to the standard Aider watcher interface where adding AI! to the end of a comment is enough to get the machinery to move. It's a little ugly to me, but was unable to make something portable that would work better. Still planning to use Groq as my LLM backend, because hardware is epic win and everything else is too slow!


>>30520
> When developers are allowed to use AI tools, they take 19% longer to complete issues—a significant slowdown that goes against developer beliefs and expert forecasts. This gap between perception and reality is striking: developers expected AI to speed them up by 24%, and even after experiencing the slowdown, they still believed AI had sped them up by 20%.
I don't find this surprising at all.

>>30451
No, oral defenses are a retarded concept and would require students to dumb down their work into concepts that can be conveyed verbally. Same issue with oral debate: Survival of the catchy. Shackled by linearity.

If colleges that have teachers that are inept enough to not be able to tell at a glance what is and isn't AI generated, then colleges are a failed institution. Students may have to prioritize curveball topics and other tactics to prove their authenticity, and allistic students may fall behind their autistic colleages, but that's survivable.

AI is going to take the jobs of people in AI companies:
>In late summer 2025, a publicly developed large language model (LLM) will be released — co-created by researchers at EPFL, ETH Zurich, and the Swiss National Supercomputing Centre (CSCS).
>This LLM will be fully open: This openness is designed to support broad adoption and foster innovation across science, society, and industry.
>A defining feature of the model is its multilingual fluency in over 1,000 languages.
https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2025/07/a-language-model-built-for-the-public-good.html

Looking forward to Musk and Altman blowing their brains out LMAO


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