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So, I'm a musician, who wants to have a musical career (a lot of communist musicians had stable careers) and meanwhile stupid porkies tell me that "no, we'd prefer if you were replaced, prole, because there if no place for people like you" and I hear, not only music, but other art, computer science, programming etc. will be replaced by AI. How do we stop this, so people are still prosperous in the real socialst societies?
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Did nobody here learn anything from the impotent luddites? As a communist I certainly don't take a stance in the fight between petit-bourgeois artisans with their own tools and the haute bourgeois automating their professional jobs (no news here…), and definitely not against technological advancements (whether you like them or not is irrelevant).

>>27948
thank yuo for having the good take, it should not be this hard to come to the correct conclusion on this, especialy on a COMMUNIST BOARD we are supposed to be COMMUNISTS

>>27948
They’re redefining the definition of human being out of existence by equating a *human* with *economically productive tasks*. This is another battle for the very existence of the human soul. And they will win.

>>27950
Ah yes, communists, the ones who care so so much about definitions and majority opinion, especially definitions like "human soul".

>>27950
no such thing as a soul

>>27950
This take is a psyop to retardjacket people with actual concerns.

>>27952
This is the kind of person we are up against. Ideological anti-humans.

>>27955
who is we? lol, marxism is anti-humanist. humanism is liberal idealism.

>>27953
Just read what OAI says a human being is and what Sam Altman is. It’s quite peculiar how much the communist had fallen. They don’t even care about the human as a human anymore. Once their greatest ideological strength they are nothing more than frauds.

>>27956
Totally not true. lol. Inane belief.

Don’t know why communists don’t just kill themselves and replace themselves with perfectly efficient economic agents producing endlessly derivative economically valueable art. This is what communists dream of, after all.

>>27957
>the communist has fallen
humanity is metaphysical drivel, please stop infesting this place with you esoteric moralism

>>27960
Imbecile. You should kill yourself. What do you even believe you total fraud? You have nothing. No sense of life inside of you. No belief in any in anyone else. An utterly craven and empty husk who seeks violence and conflict for blood sport. The perfect antagonistic of the capitalist liberal technocrat.

>>27961
>you should kill yourself
why?
>What do you even believe you total fraud
class
>You have nothing. No sense of life inside of you. No belief in any in anyone else
why should i? this is just glittering generality, you have no argument beside vague moralistic whining.
>An utterly craven and empty husk who seeks violence and conflict for blood sport
where have i demonstrated that i seek violence? what have i demonstrated that i am afraid of? do you have ANY evidence of my supposed cravenness?

you are seeing things that are not there.

>>27962
Then go run a game of sim city with perfect AI agents running perfect economic productive simulations— there exists a perfect toy universe where only class exists. You have the simulated agents in ideal social-econimic strata, their class character perfectly represented and defined. This should be a heaven for the communist. It’s class all the way down, no trace of “esoteric moralism.”

>>27963
no. i think i will continue with my regular routine of arguing with weird anti-communist shizos on the internet, because i find it mildly entertaining.

>>27957
I don't care what anyone defines a human being is, species is just an abstraction to make biology easier to talk about.

>>27950
>>27955
>muh culture! muh humanity!
Lol, is this a satire of the average anti-AI PB?

Communists used to believe in art and science. Now they believe in nothing. Total devolution. If one saw the eager agreement with the formulation of a person as a machine that does economically useful work they would never have attempted revolution.

>>27967
AI can do art and science better

>>27968
Perhaps the problem is communists have is they can speak inanities like this because they simply never had to truly confront reality of a perfect capitalism which sees *all* humans *purely* as obsolete economic inputs. The future as seen by omnicadal men like Sam Altman is machines producing economic products for machines, with increasingly complex efficiencies, grinding the human being out of existence because it is an impediment to the growth of productivity and value. Holding back the Intelligence. Communists face annihilation. And they will be annihilated. And because of this failure and their idiocy, human beings will be annihilated too.

>>27968
>AI can do art and science better
Real AI can. But by this point the distinction between an AI and a human is simply a philosophical and biological one. We don't have real AI however, we have machine learning.

>>27946
That's not true, there's also crypto and web3 shit

>>27560
>An AI can't perform live shows

Hoo boy…

>>27559
reactionary garbage, robots reducing need for money exchange is literally a good thing

>>27967
>Communists used to believe
where did you get this weird immaterial ideal of "Communists" from? why do you think communists ever actually conformed to this ideal? do you have even a single shred of evidence of these supposed communists "believing" in art and "human soul"? why on earth have you deluded yourself so much?

>>27969
> Communists face annihilation
This is a definite outcome, people in this board keep arguing metaphysics purely for cope, but the machine and its output (which is mostly drivel and pabulum) is less important, and what's more important is that tech capital is quickly coalescing towards the MIC. everyone knows what's coming.


>>27972
>reactionary garbage, robots reducing need for money exchange is literally a good thing
How so????

>>27972
Afaik an AI can't play real instruments.

>OpenAI, here is the model number of a cheap bestselling 10 year old motherboard with firmware that hasn't been updated in 9 years.
>Analyze the schematics and all discussions and write a new secure firmware for 2025 with detailed install instructions
Why don't we have this already and when are we getting this, anons?

>>27967
>Communists used to believe in art
lmao this board never ceases to amaze

>>27982
im convinced that anon is some sort of pol larper who came here to see their "noble savage communist" myth only to be btfod by basic materialism, no idea how someone got this strangely idealistic strawman of what communists "used to be" and how they "believed" it sounds like a disney movie.

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As an artist (who doesn't use AI) I… don't care.
It's tiresome when people confuse artisinal skill with artistic merit. They aren't the same.
In digital art we've had plugins and shaders for decades. None of these have killed the field, but they have raised the bar. And the recent achievements in AI are no different.

Like imagine thinking great works of art can be reduced to "pretty pictures". Which is what most of the AI stuff out there is. It's like beautiful fractals, but more advanced - they can still be pretty in their own right.
>But what if people think you're using AI!?
Who cares? Do we split hairs over whether painters created their own paint? I wouldn't be able to do what I do if not for the work of millions of people before me.
It doesn't distract from my artistic vision. Rather it is it's foundation.
>It's soulless
The datasets they're derived from weren't created in a vacuum. What AIs generate is a reflection of human artistic output. It's no more "soulless" than the slop which was being churned out before 2020.
>But how would you feel if somewhere were to copy YOUR style
Imitation is the highest form of flattery isn't it? Besides, it's not like this didn't happen before.
Like have you noticed how samey Anime looks these days compared to the 80s and 90s? We were already living in an era of slop.

>>27589
>If your art is so unorginal, commercial and predictable that it is actually losing ground to AI slop then it isn't art, it is a commodity
This is already the case with commissions, much of it is thinly veiled (or obvious) smut/fetishes

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The trvke autism score test

>>27984
>It's like beautiful fractals, but more advanced
No wonder why Stable Diffusion fucks up the clothing and anatomy. It's literal mutations.
>It's no more "soulless" than the slop which was being churned out before 2020.
Refer to the above.

Look, I am no artist but even I am getting sick of AI art. Not because "Oh, no, poor artists!" but because the technology is simply not there. And honestly, I'd rather not see a lot of the art from real "artists" either, learn how to FUCKING DRAW first before posting, Jesus Christ.

>>28010
I might be stupid

>>28010
i knew there would be a mad-dash to diminish the term AGI now that it's clear it's a pipedream by racist freaks, but even by that metric it's impossible for OpenAI to ever get to AGI status

>>27984
>The datasets they're derived from weren't created in a vacuum. What AIs generate is a reflection of human artistic output.
This is a lie, the data that goes into these things is tagged before it's given to the machine to build its biases, or in other words, someone curated the art that goes into these things and thus the machine inherited their appreciative talent. You can see every imagegen thing has a bias towards saturated, rubbery, hyper-literal digital art, this is not the sum of humanity but entirely a whim of a thousand nigerians and AI engineers in california.

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>neo-luddism and it's pretending to be from a Marxist perspective

>>28010
chatbots will NEVER become skynet
VC clowns will NEVER recoup their investment
people will NEVER care about chatting with a soulless corporate text generator
COPE, SEETHE and LOSE 10 trillion dollars bill gates

>>28059
Billy boy coping and malding and seething

>Reports of an LLM trying to escape a sandbox VM when given infosec tasks
Why has nobody soldered an LLM system to a BIOS chip on another system, coreboot flashing style, and made the LLM generate a secure BIOS? Hundreds of millions of old PCs would immediately become valuable again.

>>28035
The machines the luddites/"neo-luddites" were against had a purpose and would persist and improve over time. The lathe was not a scam to get companies ready to bankrupt and rugpull investors. Lathes are still used to this day.

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Another job AI stole: writing malware.


>>28065
so how do we use AI to improve our security?

>>27984
>It's like beautiful fractals
I prefer pretty fractals to AI Slop and traditional media artists.

>>28065
the malware people too stupid to minify the js after?

>>27559
Get fucked faggotuyghur

>>27624
You’re a weak little bitch who can’t lift a plunger over your head without trembling. Did some HVAC or plumber bully you in high school?


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