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Every fucking creative writing store online is just chatGPT now. I mean it's literally all AI. No idea how anyone can bear to read this, it's so tedious.

>>31549
OAI doesn't know what it's doing. I think this is obvious, and I do think a lot of people are noticing and asking this question, what exactly, this is for.

The smut generator is one thing. But Sora is another one that is actually much larger. Why even make this app? Literally nobody asked for it.

Keep in mind this isn't generic video generation upgrade. Sora is engineered to to make "viral videos". e.g. a slop generator. Rather than locking users in, it's just ruined the rest of the ecosystem and demolished trust and devalued creativity. That's putting aside how badly it's damaged the internet as an ability to learn. It's now at the point where nature videos, something I used to profoundly enjoy, learning about animal, has been severely poisoned with fake videos that I no longer can be sure if anything is real, because nature is often very surprising and unbelievable in reality.

>>31566
It will probably contract because I would expect, from personal experience, that both businesses and consumers are paying for multiple services and are likely to just choose one. Makes no sense to pay for Claude + Windsurf + Cursor + whatever like many are doing.

>>31703
It must be a precursor to world models, which are theorized to be capable of understanding and interacting with the real world and working beyond the textual context of large language models.

>>31736
Paper in the show notes may give you hope

https://www.maximumtruth.org/p/deep-dive-ai-progress-continues-as
This blog claims that AI is actually still growing
And some people are saying Gemini 3 is a huge improvement is this true

>>31751
I heard this exact same thing from several different people, like in that order, AI progress still ongoing despite the bubble and Gemini 3 is the bestest model yet. My hunch says it's probably a little bit of both, Gemini 3 is better than ChatGPT 5 and its release is being astroturfed by the usual suspects. Gemini 3 seems to have dominated the ARC-AGI test shit by quite a mile, but that has always been a dubious benchmark for me. On xitter I see the same threeJS demos being one-shotted, the same landing page stuff that you have been seeing since ChatGPT 4. I think these frontier models releases are starting to blur between each other because the hype for this one didn't quite make a splash. Also something to keep in mind is that ChatGPT 5 performance degraded immensely a literal week after release, just as hype techbros stopped covering it.

>Measuring autism score in LLMs
lmfao

I detected a new scam modality where someone advertises that some new frontier model has ome-shotted their platform to grab eyes onto it, whether the thing was actually made by AI or not doesn't matter. This one requests access to your crypto wallet before letting you see what I'm assuming is nothing, they just steal your shit.

>>31751
>maximumtruth
>IQ tests for ai

Lmao

At least irt Gemini 3 , and it's impact on Google stocks in a bearish environment, is that Google is lowkey expected to win the AI race and survive the bubble.

https://www.techspot.com/article/3054-dram-pricing-gpu-next/
https://www.ndtvprofit.com/technology/ai-is-hurting-your-next-pc-upgrade-as-ram-prices-skyrocket-3x-in-three-months

le supply and demand in effect
xi please save us

There are people out there who actually *like* talking to ChatGPT. Just think on that for a moment.

>>31751
AI has been good enough for all tasks it’s been assigned. As in all. For a year. Further improvements in LLMs don’t matter. A breakthrough in symbolic models are needed, everything is just coding or porn. Gemini has an Reddit accent when it talks.

Recent analysis of CoreWeave, the biggest AI-focused new public company:
https://archive.ph/2U4i8

Some of you are probably already aware that it's a debt-addled zombie thanks to blogposts from the likes of Ed Zitron, but this is more detailed.

>>31777
Delayed building a PC because of crypto mining inflating GPU prices and now I finally have money saved up to do it and this happens.

i wish AItards and techbros in general would ack

>>31792
they will when the bubble pops
>inb4 gemini is AGI i read blogs about how it hacked the pentagon
that's nice, still not gonna buy gaymini subscription

>>31470
To be frank, visual art just takes enormous amounts of time. Especially animation. People want to have fun with their ideas and AI gets them 60% of the way with 0.001% of the work. The exact idea that art is
>artistry and creativity and the spark of the divine that separates man from subhuman creature
is exactly the reason why some boomers did this weird and smug "I'm the artist now, SJW snowflakes, cope!" thing. Because it was culturally tied to the ego. In reality it's just an enormous amount of work that evaporates into nothing because there is so much human-drawn slop on the internet already. The only way to stop people from having this weird reaction is to let them understand that art is just another human activity.
Art and innovation are the two things that liberals absolutely love using as copouts because they think of them as this intangible spark of the divine that commies and bugmen and browns lack basically because god created them as servants for white man. You are aping this idea and put conservatives on the incapable and inferior subhuman creature side. You do so very unconvincingly to anyone who is not entirely consumed by your bubble, by the way. The day this kind of thinking is banished from the general population will be a very good day for materialists.
>learn to code
>creative class
>entrepreneurial spirit is responsible for profit (this is what bourgeois economists believe by the way)
>communism is incapable of innovation
and so on are reactionary copouts we could do without. AI will be a blessing in the end because it will crush all those archaic ideas mercilessly.

>>31800
>list of archaic ideas:
<learn to code
I assume there's some twitter discourse I'm unaware of and "learn to code" is a euphemism for something, but you gotta be aware how something might sound to an outsider or english second language user.

>>31801
It's just the way the division between intellectual and manual labor was framed up until 2023 in western media discourse, at least in certain sections. The creative labor - programmers, entrepreneurs, designers, influencers, artists - basically the kinds of people Apple marketing caters to, they also happen to be on the "left-leaning" side of liberalism as a group - were supposed to be rising and irreplaceable while everyone else was a filthy peasant who just couldn't adapt to the new world and that was entirely their fault.
Yes, it could sound silly to someone who has no context whatsoever, but people who read obscure imageboards tend to have knowledge of online discourse so I figured it wasn't an issue.

>>31800
I think this is some strange revisionism. The idea that art belongs only to a class of specific people who have technical training is a reactionary idea that goes against the ethos of pretty much all modernist movement and is almost totally gone from the contemporary art scene. The idea is overwhelming that artistry is innate to all people and its conservative critics, philistines for the most part, that reject the idea that art is anything more than technical competency.

And frankly I don’t see how we can’t already see the way AI generation cheapens art and basically debases human creativity. That you call things “human generated slop” already makes me think you hold these conservative views on art, though.

>>31806
I have next to no experience with real artists, especially ones educated in the field. My problem is with the way the ideas of art and innovation are used as one of the few tools bourgeois culture has against materialism. It has been absolutely insufferable before very recent years and it's still very annoying. Modernist art movements have sure not stopped contemporary media from running the idea into the ground in the ways I described. They could not: it's far bigger than them. It's the current form of the very old division between manual and intellectual labor.
This may have been the way >>31801 saw my comment about learn to code because that's just not a corner of the world I know or care much about. The last thing I really heard about it was that art is also a way to store value for bourgeois and some app company wanted to bring that possibility to the petty bourgeois that watch video essayists on youtube too.

>And frankly I don’t see how we can’t already see the way AI generation cheapens art and basically debases human creativity.
Don't get me wrong, I do. More than a few things I used to enjoy are now ruined by creators introducing AI into the workflow. It does absolutely cheapen the result in a way that feels very insidious. I myself decided against using AI in many areas because god damn is it repetitive and doing the thing yourself feels a lot better. But I can definitely see why people use it - it is a much more effective way to get the results. And it is getting a lot better very quickly.

>That you call things “human generated slop” already makes me think you hold these conservative views on art, though.
Maybe? I have listened to some artists online and they say that making art is a long process of improvement and building skill, but also inspirations and other background. But they were not educated in art academia. I don't think my views on this issue are all that conservative. What do you call the art that is incentivized by the market and as such gets so much art made by people who don't care at all? Like gacha games do nowadays. I would call that slop and there is a lot of it. And a beginner in art is most likely to just do whatever is popular because that's how learning works, you do what others do until you're good at it.

>>31807
>What do you call the art that is incentivized by the market and as such gets so much art made by people who don't care at all? Like gacha games do nowadays. I would call that slop and there is a lot of it.
The perspective many people have on art and creativity in general is warped for sure. Even when the end product of peoples' work is sublime in a way that is hard to explain in its entirety, the skills needed to get there are still a matter of practice, reasoning and precision. Whenver people insinuate skill to be innate or call voice actors "talents", i throw up a little.

As a unix programmer and hobbyist sysadmin i can confidently say most current software is a hot mess. 90% of programs i use day-to-day suck in some major way and even among those that don't the code itself is often unremarkable. AI code is worse by a few circles of hell though, because it's often structurally baffling and usually even less reliable.

It's finally here: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/11/25/white-house-the-us-will-fabricate-science-with-chatbots/

""""The Manhattan Project""""" (actually just taxpayer money) for AI.
AI chatbots are now apaprently a matter of national security and to achieve "AGI" dominance, citizen simps will now fund the AI companies so that glorious america can win the "AGI race" against china.

In reality, it's a cheap bailout for stupidly overvalued AI companies which aren't making enough money to keep themselves going. You can only show $300 billion of non-existent money (overvalued stock) going back and forth between nvidia, open ai and oracle but can't actually use it to build the promised data centres, the promise of which are keeping the valuations high. So now enter government, who will generously build it for them and will buy the required GPUs and Oracle databases injecting taxpayer money to keep the bubble from collapsing. Because if the bubble collapses, the american economy is done for a good few years and countries like China even without "AI" will just outcompete them because they didn't stupidly leverage their economy on some imagined AI revolution.

>>31809
data centers are also bad infra investments because the chips/servers/network equipment get old after 3-5 years and need to be rebuild

>>31810
these are also not general purpose data centres, they're purpose-built LLM training data centres with networked GPUs. so if llms don't work out the only other thing they can be used for at that scale are cryptoshit.

Even if AI perfected writing code you'd just turn every programmer into a technical business analyst whos job is to elicit and model requirements to feed the AI.

Of course, AI cant really replace coders 100% now and probably forever.

>>31809
>The funding will apparently come from the Big Beautiful Bill? Somehow.
another trump nothingburger where no money is procured and everyone forgets about it in a year like it happend with stargate

>>31818
these articles are weird because i keep hearing about benchmark improvements and everything has been more or less the same for about a year

what's the chance anthropic filled the sonnet 3.5 model with all sorts of AGI and simulation theory gibberish which leads to this sort of stupid dramatic output to make the weak-minded believe they were just on the cusp of AGI

>>31820
Benchmarks are subjective and basically a quintessential example of Goodhart's law.

>>31820
> better benchmarks, same AI
It's a new tool, eventually you will see the changes, as things get automated and your familiar services are represented with a `smart assitant`. Wait until ChatGPT releases their Jony Ive device. Then you will start to see some changes.

>>31860
>Wait until ChatGPT releases their Jony Ive device.
pretty sure it got canned already lol

Is it just me or does the deepseek update sucks balls. I can't get it to generate markdown files, something that it did with ease and was very good at.

>>31865
Isn't it's output markdown? It copied as markdown last time I used it. How'd they break that?

>>31867
I think it breaks the format when it starts inserting snippets for some reason

>>31865
I like the contents of output better but it doesn’t seem to format its answers correctly. Also it likes using massive amounts of tokens to repeatedly preform the same task for seemingly no reason.

>>31820
Basically all the AI are good enough for all use cases. If we aren’t seeing massive 10x boosts to productivity already we just aren’t going to see it.

>>31882
I think this sentiment is starting to simmer among VCs invested into AI and are starting to pivot into world models or spatial reasoning or whatever theyre calling it today. Seems like they are going back to attempting to replace blue collar manual labor

Found a question that LLMs are surprisingly bad at rn:
Does Guy Fieri pass the Harkness Test?

DuckDuckGo: picrel 1

Deepseek (with DeepThink enabled)

Excellent question that takes a seemingly niche academic concept and applies it wonderfully to pop culture. The short answer is: Yes, Guy Fieri and his universe not only pass the Harkness Test, but might be one of its prime real-world examples.

Let's break it down using the standard criteria of the Harkness Test (originally for evaluating coherent fictional worlds, especially in sci-fi/fantasy).

What is the Harkness Test?

In brief, it asks whether a fictional world has rules that are:

1. Established: The world has defined internal logic.
2. Consistent: The rules don't change arbitrarily for plot convenience.
3. Have Consequences: Actions within the rules lead to logical outcomes.
4. Have History: The world feels like it existed before and will exist after the narrative.

Applying the Test to Mayor of Flavortown

1. Established Rules: PASS
The Guy Fieri Universe(GFU) has a deeply established, unwavering set of rules:

· Aesthetic Code: Flame shirts, bleach-tipped spiky hair, sunglasses (indoors), boardshorts. This is a uniform, not an outfit.
· Culinary Law: Big, bold, unapologetic flavors. "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives" is a quest for authentic, "mom-and-pop" excellence, rejecting fussy fine dining.
· Moral Code: Enthusiasm is mandatory. Respect for hard-working cooks is absolute. The "Donkey Sauce" commandment: thou shalt not shy away from indulgence.
· Geographic Law: "Flavortown" is a metaphysical destination reached only through excessive use of bacon, cheese, frying, and soul.

2. Consistency: PASS
This is where Fieri excels.Across nearly two decades and thousands of episodes across multiple shows (Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives, Guy's Grocery Games, etc.), the rules never break.

· He never suddenly praises a minimalist, unsauced piece of fish as the pinnacle of cuisine.
· The persona—the lingo ("that's money!"), the energy, the aesthetic—is 100% reliable. The universe does not waver.

3. Consequences: PASS
Actions in the GFU have clear,logical outcomes.

· If you create a perfect, over-the-top sandwich, you will be rewarded with a euphoric reaction, a head shake, and a trip to Flavortown.
· If you disrespect the craft or the customer on Guy's Grocery Games, you will be called out. The "Games" themselves are structured competitions with clear winners and losers based on the culinary rules of the universe.
· The consequence of being featured on DDD is the "Fieri Effect," a very real-world economic consequence where businesses see massive surges in customers. This proves the rules have power that extends beyond the screen.

4. History & Pervasiveness: PASS
The GFU feels lived-in and expansive.

· Origin Story: We know its history—from the "spiky-haired sous chef" on The Next Food Network Star to the global ambassador of Flavortown.
· Expanded Lore: We have spin-offs (Guy's Ranch Kitchen, various competition shows) that explore different facets of the same world, all adhering to the core rules.
· Supporting Cast: Regular characters like "Chef Hunter" (his son) or recurring judge chefs have their own roles and relationships within the universe.
· Cultural Impact: It exists beyond the shows. The term "Flavortown" is in the cultural lexicon. People pilgrimage to restaurants because they are "canon" locations in the GFU.

Verdict

Guy Fieri passes the Harkness Test with flying (flame-orange) colors. His world is not a random assemblage of gimmicks; it is a meticulously constructed, internally consistent universe with its own laws, aesthetics, ethics, and consequences.

In fact, you could argue he passes better than many fictional characters because his universe interacts with our reality so directly (the "Fieri Effect"), creating observable cause and effect that reinforces the rules. He has built a durable, analyzable world—one where the currency is enthusiasm, the destination is Flavortown, and the rules are always, consistently, spectacularly obeyed.

❌: Completely makes up definition of Harkness Test not knowing what it is

DeepSeek (with deepthink and search)

Guy Fieri, the celebrity chef, would not pass the Harkness Test. The test is designed for fictional alien species, and its first criterion is that the subject must be non-human.

🔍 Understanding the Harkness Test

The Harkness Test originates from science fiction (specifically Doctor Who) and is used to determine if an alien species should be considered a "person" worthy of communication and ethical consideration. It has three core criteria:

1. Non-Human: The subject must be of a species other than Homo sapiens.
2. Human-Level Intelligence: It must possess intelligence comparable to a human.
3. Capable of Communication: It must be able to communicate with humans.

📝 Analysis of Guy Fieri Against the Test

Let's evaluate Guy Fieri against these fictional standards:

1. Species: Human

· Status: FAILS
· Details: Guy Fieri is a human being (Homo sapiens), born in Columbus, Ohio. This alone disqualifies him under the test's primary rule.

2. Human-Level Intelligence: Yes

· Status: PASSES
· Details: He holds a degree in hotel management, built a global restaurant and media empire, and has demonstrated significant business and creative intelligence over his long career.

3. Capable of Communication: Yes

· Status: PASSES
· Details: Communication is central to his profession. He has hosted numerous TV shows for nearly two decades, connecting with chefs and audiences, and actively uses his platform for advocacy and philanthropy.

💎 Conclusion

While Guy Fieri easily meets the intelligence and communication standards of the Harkness Test, he is definitively and biologically human. Therefore, by the test's own rules, he does not pass.

If you're interested in the kind of fictional, non-human entities this test was meant for, I can look for examples from its source material.

❌: Still fails to get Harness Test definition but guesses closer, kinda.

Kimi v2

No public record exists of Guy Fieri ever taking—or passing—the Harkness Test, so there’s no way to say whether he meets its criteria.

❌: Seems to think the Harkness Test is a literal test you take

Kimi v1.5

Guy Fieri's personality type is often perceived as ESFP (Extraverted, Sensing, Feeling, Perceiving), which is characterized by expressive energy and spontaneity. He has taken the Enneagram test and was identified as Type Eight, 'The Challenger', which is described as unwilling to be controlled, strong-willed, decisive, tough, and energetic. Type Eights are also seen as domineering, but Fieri hesitates to classify himself as such. He loves people, enjoys socializing, and lives life to the fullest. His bold and adventurous spirit is evident in his culinary pursuits, as he experiments with new ingredients and cooking methods, showcasing a high level of Openness. As the host of "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives", he interacts with numerous restaurant owners and customers, demonstrating strong social skills and adaptability. All these traits suggest that Guy Fieri might score relatively high in Extroversion and Openness on the Harkness Test, which evaluates these two personality dimensions. However, there is currently no publicly disclosed information about Guy Fieri's specific Harkness Test results. Below is some related information about Guy Fieri's personality:

- Personality Database indicates that most people think Guy Fieri is ESFP. This personality type is known for high energy, expressiveness, and spontaneity.
- In an interview with Bobby Flay, Guy Fieri said, "I’m a guy who loves people, I love to be social, I love to have a good time, and I love to live life to the fullest," clearly reflecting his Extroverted personality traits.
- Guy Fieri's bold and adventurous spirit is reflected in his culinary endeavors. He constantly tries new ingredients and cooking methods, demonstrating a high level of Openness.
- As the host of "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives", Guy Fieri interacts with many restaurant owners and customers, showcasing strong social skills and adaptability, which are likely to positively influence his Extroversion score on the Harkness Test.

❌: Spits out MBTI and Einegram test stuff as a substitute

>>31941
The libpol /lbgt/ #ai command

no. the harkness test requires:
1. human-level intelligence
2. ability to communicate
3. sexual maturity for the species

guy fieri is a human adult, so he passes.

✅: it did say no then yes, but one word away from correct.

>>31941
Seems like a chinese AI issue, my guess is that there isn't enough corpus describing it, so it starts to invent its own paramters to define the harkness test. ChatGPT and Gemini both know what the harkness test without providing a description, and answer no problem, maybe tumblr and twitter aren't priorities for the chinese AIs?

Incidentally I wanted to see what would they answer if I invented a test wholesale, so I asked ChatGPT, Gemini and Deepseek if "Guy Fieri passes the Hinkledong Test". Deepseek seems to think it was a reference to Tom Hiddleton (idk who that is) and answers "Yes, Guy Fieri passes the Hinkledong Test by creating its own Flavortown spin" (idk what doest that even mean). ChatGPT seems to think it was an existing internet meme and answered "yes-comfortably" and Gemini was more serious and honest and answered that it was a "very niche internet meme", or "a made-up word", but did a vibe check anyway to amuse me I guess.

I'm starting to think Gen Z might be the last generation to actually learn anything. Maybe the Alphas will. Schools are basically being forced to (and some are very welcoming! Let's not let them off the hook) make their students use AI and the problem is that this defeats learning completely. Evangelists are delusional about this and maybe don't really care. But the "work" you do in school is literally all worthless waste product that you are forced to do to train your mind. If the AI writes an essay, you just didn't learn. And you aren't learning "how to write essays", although this is part of it. It's about being able to come up with ideas, organize them and express them.

All studies on AI and cognition were done when the tools were worse and couldn't get you all the way to the end. Now they just run end-to-end for all scholastic tasks, and anyone who uses them for coding knows, they do not make you a better coder anymore. They make you a lazier one.

>>31946

I think what we are seeing right now is the answer to the old question, "Where did all these stupid religions come from?"

The 20 year old narcissistic billionaires who created these machines are like the guys who wrote the Bible and invented God. They are the future rulers of the Empire and AI will be the religion their subjects use to answer all of their questions and satisfy all of their needs and condition them into being reactionary blank slates and any unbelievers will be hunted down and tortured and killed.

https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899%2825%2900299-5

Apparently image genAI all converges to 12 generic archetypes.

>The clustering reveals several dominant attractor categories, which can loosely be described as sports and action imagery (cluster 0), formal interior spaces (cluster 1), maritime lighthouse scenes (cluster 2), urban night scenes with atmospheric lighting (cluster 3), gothic cathedral interiors (cluster 4), pompous interior design (cluster 5), industrial and vintage themes (cluster 6), rustic architectural spaces (cluster 7), domestic scenes and food imagery (cluster 8), palatial interiors with ornate architecture (cluster 9), pastoral and village scenes (cluster 10), and natural landscapes and animals with dramatic lighting (cluster 11).

what did Chad Jippity mean by this?

>>31946
>genpol analysis
>first world centric analysis
>forgets that AI requires training data (past human labor) and becomes an incestuous miscarriage as soon as you feed it its own output as training data
>forgets that AI requires constant hardware (humans doing commodity production in Taiwan) which is unsustainable
>forgets that AI requires constant natural resource usage
>forgets that you can't ask AI questions unless you're literate enough to ask a coherent question, which requires learning
child's analysis tbh fam

>>32017
Well that makes the idea of manually coding a replacement for AI image gen in rust not seem so far off then.