/tech/ - Technology

>>31470
To be frank, visual art just takes enormous amounts of time. Especially animation. People want to have fun with their ideas and AI gets them 60% of the way with 0.001% of the work. The exact idea that art is
>artistry and creativity and the spark of the divine that separates man from subhuman creature
is exactly the reason why some boomers did this weird and smug "I'm the artist now, SJW snowflakes, cope!" thing. Because it was culturally tied to the ego. In reality it's just an enormous amount of work that evaporates into nothing because there is so much human-drawn slop on the internet already. The only way to stop people from having this weird reaction is to let them understand that art is just another human activity.
Art and innovation are the two things that liberals absolutely love using as copouts because they think of them as this intangible spark of the divine that commies and bugmen and browns lack basically because god created them as servants for white man. You are aping this idea and put conservatives on the incapable and inferior subhuman creature side. You do so very unconvincingly to anyone who is not entirely consumed by your bubble, by the way. The day this kind of thinking is banished from the general population will be a very good day for materialists.
>learn to code
>creative class
>entrepreneurial spirit is responsible for profit (this is what bourgeois economists believe by the way)
>communism is incapable of innovation
and so on are reactionary copouts we could do without. AI will be a blessing in the end because it will crush all those archaic ideas mercilessly.

>>31800
>list of archaic ideas:
<learn to code
I assume there's some twitter discourse I'm unaware of and "learn to code" is a euphemism for something, but you gotta be aware how something might sound to an outsider or english second language user.

>>31801
It's just the way the division between intellectual and manual labor was framed up until 2023 in western media discourse, at least in certain sections. The creative labor - programmers, entrepreneurs, designers, influencers, artists - basically the kinds of people Apple marketing caters to, they also happen to be on the "left-leaning" side of liberalism as a group - were supposed to be rising and irreplaceable while everyone else was a filthy peasant who just couldn't adapt to the new world and that was entirely their fault.
Yes, it could sound silly to someone who has no context whatsoever, but people who read obscure imageboards tend to have knowledge of online discourse so I figured it wasn't an issue.

>>31800
I think this is some strange revisionism. The idea that art belongs only to a class of specific people who have technical training is a reactionary idea that goes against the ethos of pretty much all modernist movement and is almost totally gone from the contemporary art scene. The idea is overwhelming that artistry is innate to all people and its conservative critics, philistines for the most part, that reject the idea that art is anything more than technical competency.

And frankly I don’t see how we can’t already see the way AI generation cheapens art and basically debases human creativity. That you call things “human generated slop” already makes me think you hold these conservative views on art, though.

>>31806
I have next to no experience with real artists, especially ones educated in the field. My problem is with the way the ideas of art and innovation are used as one of the few tools bourgeois culture has against materialism. It has been absolutely insufferable before very recent years and it's still very annoying. Modernist art movements have sure not stopped contemporary media from running the idea into the ground in the ways I described. They could not: it's far bigger than them. It's the current form of the very old division between manual and intellectual labor.
This may have been the way >>31801 saw my comment about learn to code because that's just not a corner of the world I know or care much about. The last thing I really heard about it was that art is also a way to store value for bourgeois and some app company wanted to bring that possibility to the petty bourgeois that watch video essayists on youtube too.

>And frankly I don’t see how we can’t already see the way AI generation cheapens art and basically debases human creativity.
Don't get me wrong, I do. More than a few things I used to enjoy are now ruined by creators introducing AI into the workflow. It does absolutely cheapen the result in a way that feels very insidious. I myself decided against using AI in many areas because god damn is it repetitive and doing the thing yourself feels a lot better. But I can definitely see why people use it - it is a much more effective way to get the results. And it is getting a lot better very quickly.

>That you call things “human generated slop” already makes me think you hold these conservative views on art, though.
Maybe? I have listened to some artists online and they say that making art is a long process of improvement and building skill, but also inspirations and other background. But they were not educated in art academia. I don't think my views on this issue are all that conservative. What do you call the art that is incentivized by the market and as such gets so much art made by people who don't care at all? Like gacha games do nowadays. I would call that slop and there is a lot of it. And a beginner in art is most likely to just do whatever is popular because that's how learning works, you do what others do until you're good at it.

>>31807
>What do you call the art that is incentivized by the market and as such gets so much art made by people who don't care at all? Like gacha games do nowadays. I would call that slop and there is a lot of it.
The perspective many people have on art and creativity in general is warped for sure. Even when the end product of peoples' work is sublime in a way that is hard to explain in its entirety, the skills needed to get there are still a matter of practice, reasoning and precision. Whenver people insinuate skill to be innate or call voice actors "talents", i throw up a little.

As a unix programmer and hobbyist sysadmin i can confidently say most current software is a hot mess. 90% of programs i use day-to-day suck in some major way and even among those that don't the code itself is often unremarkable. AI code is worse by a few circles of hell though, because it's often structurally baffling and usually even less reliable.

It's finally here: https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/11/25/white-house-the-us-will-fabricate-science-with-chatbots/

""""The Manhattan Project""""" (actually just taxpayer money) for AI.
AI chatbots are now apaprently a matter of national security and to achieve "AGI" dominance, citizen simps will now fund the AI companies so that glorious america can win the "AGI race" against china.

In reality, it's a cheap bailout for stupidly overvalued AI companies which aren't making enough money to keep themselves going. You can only show $300 billion of non-existent money (overvalued stock) going back and forth between nvidia, open ai and oracle but can't actually use it to build the promised data centres, the promise of which are keeping the valuations high. So now enter government, who will generously build it for them and will buy the required GPUs and Oracle databases injecting taxpayer money to keep the bubble from collapsing. Because if the bubble collapses, the american economy is done for a good few years and countries like China even without "AI" will just outcompete them because they didn't stupidly leverage their economy on some imagined AI revolution.

>>31809
data centers are also bad infra investments because the chips/servers/network equipment get old after 3-5 years and need to be rebuild

>>31810
these are also not general purpose data centres, they're purpose-built LLM training data centres with networked GPUs. so if llms don't work out the only other thing they can be used for at that scale are cryptoshit.

Even if AI perfected writing code you'd just turn every programmer into a technical business analyst whos job is to elicit and model requirements to feed the AI.

Of course, AI cant really replace coders 100% now and probably forever.

>>31809
>The funding will apparently come from the Big Beautiful Bill? Somehow.
another trump nothingburger where no money is procured and everyone forgets about it in a year like it happend with stargate

>>31818
these articles are weird because i keep hearing about benchmark improvements and everything has been more or less the same for about a year

what's the chance anthropic filled the sonnet 3.5 model with all sorts of AGI and simulation theory gibberish which leads to this sort of stupid dramatic output to make the weak-minded believe they were just on the cusp of AGI

>>31820
Benchmarks are subjective and basically a quintessential example of Goodhart's law.

>>31820
> better benchmarks, same AI
It's a new tool, eventually you will see the changes, as things get automated and your familiar services are represented with a `smart assitant`. Wait until ChatGPT releases their Jony Ive device. Then you will start to see some changes.

>>31860
>Wait until ChatGPT releases their Jony Ive device.
pretty sure it got canned already lol

Is it just me or does the deepseek update sucks balls. I can't get it to generate markdown files, something that it did with ease and was very good at.

>>31865
Isn't it's output markdown? It copied as markdown last time I used it. How'd they break that?

>>31867
I think it breaks the format when it starts inserting snippets for some reason

>>31865
I like the contents of output better but it doesn’t seem to format its answers correctly. Also it likes using massive amounts of tokens to repeatedly preform the same task for seemingly no reason.

>>31820
Basically all the AI are good enough for all use cases. If we aren’t seeing massive 10x boosts to productivity already we just aren’t going to see it.

>>31882
I think this sentiment is starting to simmer among VCs invested into AI and are starting to pivot into world models or spatial reasoning or whatever theyre calling it today. Seems like they are going back to attempting to replace blue collar manual labor

Found a question that LLMs are surprisingly bad at rn:
Does Guy Fieri pass the Harkness Test?

DuckDuckGo: picrel 1

Deepseek (with DeepThink enabled)

Excellent question that takes a seemingly niche academic concept and applies it wonderfully to pop culture. The short answer is: Yes, Guy Fieri and his universe not only pass the Harkness Test, but might be one of its prime real-world examples.

Let's break it down using the standard criteria of the Harkness Test (originally for evaluating coherent fictional worlds, especially in sci-fi/fantasy).

What is the Harkness Test?

In brief, it asks whether a fictional world has rules that are:

1. Established: The world has defined internal logic.
2. Consistent: The rules don't change arbitrarily for plot convenience.
3. Have Consequences: Actions within the rules lead to logical outcomes.
4. Have History: The world feels like it existed before and will exist after the narrative.

Applying the Test to Mayor of Flavortown

1. Established Rules: PASS
The Guy Fieri Universe(GFU) has a deeply established, unwavering set of rules:

· Aesthetic Code: Flame shirts, bleach-tipped spiky hair, sunglasses (indoors), boardshorts. This is a uniform, not an outfit.
· Culinary Law: Big, bold, unapologetic flavors. "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives" is a quest for authentic, "mom-and-pop" excellence, rejecting fussy fine dining.
· Moral Code: Enthusiasm is mandatory. Respect for hard-working cooks is absolute. The "Donkey Sauce" commandment: thou shalt not shy away from indulgence.
· Geographic Law: "Flavortown" is a metaphysical destination reached only through excessive use of bacon, cheese, frying, and soul.

2. Consistency: PASS
This is where Fieri excels.Across nearly two decades and thousands of episodes across multiple shows (Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives, Guy's Grocery Games, etc.), the rules never break.

· He never suddenly praises a minimalist, unsauced piece of fish as the pinnacle of cuisine.
· The persona—the lingo ("that's money!"), the energy, the aesthetic—is 100% reliable. The universe does not waver.

3. Consequences: PASS
Actions in the GFU have clear,logical outcomes.

· If you create a perfect, over-the-top sandwich, you will be rewarded with a euphoric reaction, a head shake, and a trip to Flavortown.
· If you disrespect the craft or the customer on Guy's Grocery Games, you will be called out. The "Games" themselves are structured competitions with clear winners and losers based on the culinary rules of the universe.
· The consequence of being featured on DDD is the "Fieri Effect," a very real-world economic consequence where businesses see massive surges in customers. This proves the rules have power that extends beyond the screen.

4. History & Pervasiveness: PASS
The GFU feels lived-in and expansive.

· Origin Story: We know its history—from the "spiky-haired sous chef" on The Next Food Network Star to the global ambassador of Flavortown.
· Expanded Lore: We have spin-offs (Guy's Ranch Kitchen, various competition shows) that explore different facets of the same world, all adhering to the core rules.
· Supporting Cast: Regular characters like "Chef Hunter" (his son) or recurring judge chefs have their own roles and relationships within the universe.
· Cultural Impact: It exists beyond the shows. The term "Flavortown" is in the cultural lexicon. People pilgrimage to restaurants because they are "canon" locations in the GFU.

Verdict

Guy Fieri passes the Harkness Test with flying (flame-orange) colors. His world is not a random assemblage of gimmicks; it is a meticulously constructed, internally consistent universe with its own laws, aesthetics, ethics, and consequences.

In fact, you could argue he passes better than many fictional characters because his universe interacts with our reality so directly (the "Fieri Effect"), creating observable cause and effect that reinforces the rules. He has built a durable, analyzable world—one where the currency is enthusiasm, the destination is Flavortown, and the rules are always, consistently, spectacularly obeyed.

❌: Completely makes up definition of Harkness Test not knowing what it is

DeepSeek (with deepthink and search)

Guy Fieri, the celebrity chef, would not pass the Harkness Test. The test is designed for fictional alien species, and its first criterion is that the subject must be non-human.

🔍 Understanding the Harkness Test

The Harkness Test originates from science fiction (specifically Doctor Who) and is used to determine if an alien species should be considered a "person" worthy of communication and ethical consideration. It has three core criteria:

1. Non-Human: The subject must be of a species other than Homo sapiens.
2. Human-Level Intelligence: It must possess intelligence comparable to a human.
3. Capable of Communication: It must be able to communicate with humans.

📝 Analysis of Guy Fieri Against the Test

Let's evaluate Guy Fieri against these fictional standards:

1. Species: Human

· Status: FAILS
· Details: Guy Fieri is a human being (Homo sapiens), born in Columbus, Ohio. This alone disqualifies him under the test's primary rule.

2. Human-Level Intelligence: Yes

· Status: PASSES
· Details: He holds a degree in hotel management, built a global restaurant and media empire, and has demonstrated significant business and creative intelligence over his long career.

3. Capable of Communication: Yes

· Status: PASSES
· Details: Communication is central to his profession. He has hosted numerous TV shows for nearly two decades, connecting with chefs and audiences, and actively uses his platform for advocacy and philanthropy.

💎 Conclusion

While Guy Fieri easily meets the intelligence and communication standards of the Harkness Test, he is definitively and biologically human. Therefore, by the test's own rules, he does not pass.

If you're interested in the kind of fictional, non-human entities this test was meant for, I can look for examples from its source material.

❌: Still fails to get Harness Test definition but guesses closer, kinda.

Kimi v2

No public record exists of Guy Fieri ever taking—or passing—the Harkness Test, so there’s no way to say whether he meets its criteria.

❌: Seems to think the Harkness Test is a literal test you take

Kimi v1.5

Guy Fieri's personality type is often perceived as ESFP (Extraverted, Sensing, Feeling, Perceiving), which is characterized by expressive energy and spontaneity. He has taken the Enneagram test and was identified as Type Eight, 'The Challenger', which is described as unwilling to be controlled, strong-willed, decisive, tough, and energetic. Type Eights are also seen as domineering, but Fieri hesitates to classify himself as such. He loves people, enjoys socializing, and lives life to the fullest. His bold and adventurous spirit is evident in his culinary pursuits, as he experiments with new ingredients and cooking methods, showcasing a high level of Openness. As the host of "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives", he interacts with numerous restaurant owners and customers, demonstrating strong social skills and adaptability. All these traits suggest that Guy Fieri might score relatively high in Extroversion and Openness on the Harkness Test, which evaluates these two personality dimensions. However, there is currently no publicly disclosed information about Guy Fieri's specific Harkness Test results. Below is some related information about Guy Fieri's personality:

- Personality Database indicates that most people think Guy Fieri is ESFP. This personality type is known for high energy, expressiveness, and spontaneity.
- In an interview with Bobby Flay, Guy Fieri said, "I’m a guy who loves people, I love to be social, I love to have a good time, and I love to live life to the fullest," clearly reflecting his Extroverted personality traits.
- Guy Fieri's bold and adventurous spirit is reflected in his culinary endeavors. He constantly tries new ingredients and cooking methods, demonstrating a high level of Openness.
- As the host of "Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives", Guy Fieri interacts with many restaurant owners and customers, showcasing strong social skills and adaptability, which are likely to positively influence his Extroversion score on the Harkness Test.

❌: Spits out MBTI and Einegram test stuff as a substitute

>>31941
The libpol /lbgt/ #ai command

no. the harkness test requires:
1. human-level intelligence
2. ability to communicate
3. sexual maturity for the species

guy fieri is a human adult, so he passes.

✅: it did say no then yes, but one word away from correct.

>>31941
Seems like a chinese AI issue, my guess is that there isn't enough corpus describing it, so it starts to invent its own paramters to define the harkness test. ChatGPT and Gemini both know what the harkness test without providing a description, and answer no problem, maybe tumblr and twitter aren't priorities for the chinese AIs?

Incidentally I wanted to see what would they answer if I invented a test wholesale, so I asked ChatGPT, Gemini and Deepseek if "Guy Fieri passes the Hinkledong Test". Deepseek seems to think it was a reference to Tom Hiddleton (idk who that is) and answers "Yes, Guy Fieri passes the Hinkledong Test by creating its own Flavortown spin" (idk what doest that even mean). ChatGPT seems to think it was an existing internet meme and answered "yes-comfortably" and Gemini was more serious and honest and answered that it was a "very niche internet meme", or "a made-up word", but did a vibe check anyway to amuse me I guess.

I'm starting to think Gen Z might be the last generation to actually learn anything. Maybe the Alphas will. Schools are basically being forced to (and some are very welcoming! Let's not let them off the hook) make their students use AI and the problem is that this defeats learning completely. Evangelists are delusional about this and maybe don't really care. But the "work" you do in school is literally all worthless waste product that you are forced to do to train your mind. If the AI writes an essay, you just didn't learn. And you aren't learning "how to write essays", although this is part of it. It's about being able to come up with ideas, organize them and express them.

All studies on AI and cognition were done when the tools were worse and couldn't get you all the way to the end. Now they just run end-to-end for all scholastic tasks, and anyone who uses them for coding knows, they do not make you a better coder anymore. They make you a lazier one.

>>31946

I think what we are seeing right now is the answer to the old question, "Where did all these stupid religions come from?"

The 20 year old narcissistic billionaires who created these machines are like the guys who wrote the Bible and invented God. They are the future rulers of the Empire and AI will be the religion their subjects use to answer all of their questions and satisfy all of their needs and condition them into being reactionary blank slates and any unbelievers will be hunted down and tortured and killed.

https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899%2825%2900299-5

Apparently image genAI all converges to 12 generic archetypes.

>The clustering reveals several dominant attractor categories, which can loosely be described as sports and action imagery (cluster 0), formal interior spaces (cluster 1), maritime lighthouse scenes (cluster 2), urban night scenes with atmospheric lighting (cluster 3), gothic cathedral interiors (cluster 4), pompous interior design (cluster 5), industrial and vintage themes (cluster 6), rustic architectural spaces (cluster 7), domestic scenes and food imagery (cluster 8), palatial interiors with ornate architecture (cluster 9), pastoral and village scenes (cluster 10), and natural landscapes and animals with dramatic lighting (cluster 11).

what did Chad Jippity mean by this?

>>31946
>genpol analysis
>first world centric analysis
>forgets that AI requires training data (past human labor) and becomes an incestuous miscarriage as soon as you feed it its own output as training data
>forgets that AI requires constant hardware (humans doing commodity production in Taiwan) which is unsustainable
>forgets that AI requires constant natural resource usage
>forgets that you can't ask AI questions unless you're literate enough to ask a coherent question, which requires learning
child's analysis tbh fam

>>32017
Well that makes the idea of manually coding a replacement for AI image gen in rust not seem so far off then.

Saw this on Hackernews:
<Z80-μLM is a 'conversational AI' that generates short character-by-character sequences, with quantization-aware training (QAT) to run on a Z80 processor with 64kb of ram.
https://github.com/HarryR/z80ai

>>32049
chab jippity has been trained on a combo of reddit and less wrong

>>31777
i think everyone is blaming AI but porky more or less expects a bigger slope in consumer spending, so they're pulling out of the consumer business. micron put ballistix to rest three years ago, so the writing was on the wall. porky are trying to cobble new compute rent models to recoup the lack of demand but it's just a waste of compute as much as all these staked datacenters are. there's just no demand, which seems ironic, doesnt it. it's all fake as hell.

>>32058
this also follows that the 400% markup for RAM is just people trying to scalp and price gouge. RAM is not only heavily commoditized, it's also not something consumers are in the market for, especially when there's no console generation on the horizon. even enthusiast pc gamers buy once every 3 to 5 years at best. the prices will go down, not to 2024 MSRP but they will go down, everyone dooming is a moron.

>>32053
Could theoretically run in a computercraft mod turtle

> Glad i saved up money so i can finally, for the first time ever build myself a decent PC
<check RAM prices

Firebomb every fucking data center

>>32017
>This convergence challenges fundamental assumptions about machine creativity. Current generative models, when coupled in feedback loops, do not exhibit the open-ended exploration expected from creative systems. Instead, they reveal hidden biases embedded within their training data and optimization objectives.25,26 The consistent emergence of commercially viable, stock photography aesthetics across all temperature conditions suggests that these systems systematically favor high-probability outputs over genuine novelty.
>these systems systematically favor high-probability outputs over genuine novelty.
woah… a statistics machine that works by predicting the most likely sequence… predicts the most likely sequence
mind = blown

>The parallel suggests that both biological and artificial learning systems exhibit similar attractor dynamics when operating in iterative, low-feedback environments. Serial reproduction experiments demonstrate that when humans transmit event knowledge through iterative chains, the content systematically transforms toward “cognitive optimum” configurations—simple, memorable, and emotionally salient forms that mirror the generic yet evocative imagery our AI systems produce.39 In humans, this convergence reflects evolved cognitive biases and cultural priors. In AI systems, it appears to reflect statistical regularities embedded in training data—essentially, the “visual priors” learned from internet-scale image-text datasets.

>This convergence toward “cognitive elevator music” in both human and AI systems raises profound questions about the nature of creativity and cultural evolution. If both biological and artificial learning systems naturally drift toward safe, high-probability outputs when operating autonomously, this may represent a fundamental constraint on creativity that requires active resistance rather than passive emergence. The difference lies not in the presence of convergence but in the specific attractors: where humans converge on flood myths and spiral patterns shaped by embodied cognition, AI systems converge on stock photography aesthetics shaped by internet-scale training data.
Human sisters, we lost

>>32058
I dislike this idea that porky has an agenda to make you own nothing and be happy, it looks an awful lot like an extension of petty bourgeois fears westoids tend to have. What happens is all these trillions of dollars have to be backed up by something and so the people in charge buy more hardware than they know what to do with and dry the whole market because that's just the amount of money they are given, it's not even 1/50th of the sheer money mass.
If you look into AI research, a ton of effort is being put into smaller models and efficiency improvements, it's one of the most active areas of research and there is solid progress. They wouldn't be making a whole new processing unit called NPU if they didn't want mass markets to have AI running locally because developing a whole new processing unit is not cheap at all and you can't even use it for training so it's shit for professional use.
The collapse of consumer supply looks more like a happy coincidence that will let Chinese take over even faster than they would have otherwise. Or a result of all the money printing and stock buybacks that start crashing into the real economy, compounded by the rest of the world starting to abandon the dollar in earnest.
2027 or 2028 might just be the first year of true free and open source RISC-V computing at this rate.

So should I just take the loss and build a PC now before it even get worse or wait and hope for the best?

>>32155
Wait for the bubble to burst in around two years.
The previous cause of high PC parts prices (crypto miners) themselves have pivoted to AI, so once the bubble bursts it's unlikely that they'd re-pivot.

(This is assuming Silicon Valley doesn't come up with another useless but capital-intensive grift again).

the AI futurist regime is now fully Jeffrey Epstein neoliberalism in every way:
https://www.usermag.co/p/is-anyone-going-to-take-accountability
>Over the past week, one of the primary uses of Elon Musk’s Grok AI has been to create potential CSAM by stripping children’s clothes off in photos
>Throughout all of this, however, Musk has still not apologized for the images Grok is creating. Instead, he has doubled down, continued to promote the tool, and even posted on Sunday about how to best optimize image generation results using Grok.
>The only official response from Musk’s xAI, which manages Grok, is an automatic reply sent to all press emails that reads, “Legacy media lies.” No one at the company has spoken out and no one has issued any sort of statement.
>As the media has reported on this atrocious series of events, however, many news outlets are centering their coverage on explanations that “Grok apologized.”
>“Musk’s AI chatbot Grok apologizes after generating sexualized image of young girls,” one local NBC affiliate headline read. CBS news local affiliates published headlines with similar phrasing including, “Elon Musk’s AI chatbot Grok apologized.” The Hill, Newsweek, The Guardian, Ars Technica, Yahoo News, and a slew of other outlets have similarly quoted Grok as apologizing. Reuters ran the headline, “Grok says safeguard lapses led to images of ‘minors in minimal clothing’ on X.”
>I think it’s crucial to note that Grok cannot apologize. Grok itself is an LLM. Chatbots don’t think, feel, regret things, or take responsibility. They are software tools that generate text based on patterns and inputs. They are not conscious beings making decisions.

>>32155
You need to wait until Q3 2026 I think, the big constraint isn't available hardware, it's literally power infrastructure. it's not there yet, and it will take years if not a full decade to set up so at some point someone who isn't Cramer will put 2 and 2 together and pull out from neoclouds which will absolutely collapse the B2B market.

>>32142
I'm not saying that porky has a deliberate agenda, I'm saying that all these "rent compute" business models do is inflate demand, because the upgrade cycle is around 10 years now for even enthusiast markets. A 10 year old computer can do most things a computer you can buy today at best buy can do, this has obvious implications on growth if they can't deliver meaningful updates every year. Nvidia is avoiding demand by inventing new B2B demand, and micron can get rid of their useless inventory by diminishing supply.

>If you look into AI research, a ton of effort is being put into smaller models and efficiency improvements, it's one of the most active areas of research and there is solid progress.
The chinese are also pressuring Nvidia by releasing GPUs with shitton of VRAM per card, at some point these two ends will meet, yeah. If the entire world does not collapse by then, in 5 years most tech enthusiasts will be running decent LLM models on their own hardware

>>32161 (me)
> Nvidia is avoiding demand
avoiding collapse

>>32161
>A 10 year old computer can do most things a computer you can buy today at best buy can do
Real, it's also insane how low the generational bump is. If you ignore fake frame DLSSlop my 8 year old gpu still outbenchmarks the latest entry level offerings, and it cost less buying it used a few years back.

>>32166
the replies are slightly irksome, people are answering "oh i'm able to use AI for rubber ducking" or "generate leads" or other menial uses i dunno if to disagree with the OP or what. he calls it motte-and-bailey but it strikes me as more akin to what tiktokers are calling "bean soup phenomenon", like yeah if you're limiting LLMs to generate very rough ideas instead of relying on it for your entire workflow, then the hallucination shit does not apply to you, it's also fucking irrelevant

>>32166
It seems to me that LLM chatbots are the absolute worst tool for doing research. People who claim that they are like a more advanced search engine probably never actually had to search for something obscure.