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>>27559>>31562>Party A are ideologues>So you think party B aren't? Just see what the twitter version of party B are like.Touch 🖐️ Digital 💾 Grass 🌱🌿🍃
>>31549>trillions wasted in massive datacentres>gigatons of carbon spewed into the atmosphere>the entire industry in a financial bubble bigger than there has ever existed beforeall in search of the perfect coooooom!
i'm so proud of humanity.
What is the possibility of biological agi? Im mostly convinced that machine agi may not happen due to the extreme difference between silicone and biology but what about the biological method? Would organic computers bridge the gap enough to the point agi could be possible
>>31572I mean at that point you just want an autistic kid that knows VIM
ai video gen economics are nonsense if you think about them, sora 2 generates a video for a user, said user reposts it on tiktok, insta and xitter, monetizes it, and gets a marginal cut. hosting costs are pennis on the dollars for a social network, but generation price is like 5 dollars at least per video (in the unlikely event the video was created in one shot, most likely it's significantly more expensive because the user kept cranking the lever to get something acceptable), so in essence openAI is subsidizing meta and tiktok, no wonder theyre so invested in making their own social network. so in the near future they're not going to let users download AI generated content, it'll have to be posted in the same place it was generated, because social media is technically funneling money away from AI providers.
>>31585No way inference is that expensive unless your amortizing training costs into it.
<OpenAI, the company behind ChatGPT, released their own browser called Atlas, and it actually is something new: the first browser that actively fights against the web.https://www.anildash.com//2025/10/22/atlas-anti-web-browser/This is a lovely article.
<When I first got Atlas up and running, I tried giving it the easiest and most obvious tasks I could possibly give it. I looked up "Taylor Swift showgirl" to see if it would give me links to videos or playlists to watch or listen to the most popular music on the charts right now; this has to be just about the easiest possible prompt.
<The results that came back looked like a web page, but they weren't. Instead, what I got was something closer to a last-minute book report written by a kid who had mostly plagiarized Wikipedia. The response mentioned some basic biographical information and had a few photos. Now we know that AI tools are prone to this kind of confabulation, but this is new, because it felt like I was in a web browser, typing into a search box on the Internet. And here's what was most notable: there was no link to her website.And it gets worse from there.
Musk launches Grokipedia! Hooray!
<My Grokipedia entry has over seven thousand words, compared to a mere 1,300 in my Wikipedia article. It’s pretty clear how it was generated; an LLM, trained on who-knows-what but definitely including that Wikipedia article and this blog, was told to go nuts.Doesn't that sound amazing?
<Every paragraph contains significant errors.https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2025/10/28/Grokipedia>>31629you will have to, every bubble ends the same way, with taxpayers holding the bag.
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I thought this board was a pseudo marx board was i mistaken
>>31658What relevance does that keyphrase have here?
>>31658i looked into it, is it really relevant? i feel AI is different to any other investment in constant capital because what it does is so nebulous to begin with, illuminate us wise man
btw looking good for OAI
Every fucking creative writing store online is just chatGPT now. I mean it's literally all AI. No idea how anyone can bear to read this, it's so tedious.
>>31549OAI doesn't know what it's doing. I think this is obvious, and I do think a lot of people are noticing and asking this question, what exactly, this is for.
The smut generator is one thing. But Sora is another one that is actually much larger. Why even make this app? Literally nobody asked for it.
Keep in mind this isn't generic video generation upgrade. Sora is engineered to to make "viral videos". e.g. a slop generator. Rather than locking users in, it's just ruined the rest of the ecosystem and demolished trust and devalued creativity. That's putting aside how badly it's damaged the internet as an ability to learn. It's now at the point where nature videos, something I used to profoundly enjoy, learning about animal, has been severely poisoned with fake videos that I no longer can be sure if anything is real, because nature is often very surprising and unbelievable in reality.
>>31566It will probably contract because I would expect, from personal experience, that both businesses and consumers are paying for multiple services and are likely to just choose one. Makes no sense to pay for Claude + Windsurf + Cursor + whatever like many are doing.
>>31703It must be a precursor to world models, which are theorized to be capable of understanding and interacting with the real world and working beyond the textual context of large language models.
https://www.maximumtruth.org/p/deep-dive-ai-progress-continues-asThis blog claims that AI is actually still growing
And some people are saying Gemini 3 is a huge improvement is this true
>>31751I heard this exact same thing from several different people, like in that order, AI progress still ongoing despite the bubble and Gemini 3 is the bestest model yet. My hunch says it's probably a little bit of both, Gemini 3 is better than ChatGPT 5 and its release is being astroturfed by the usual suspects. Gemini 3 seems to have dominated the ARC-AGI test shit by quite a mile, but that has always been a dubious benchmark for me. On xitter I see the same threeJS demos being one-shotted, the same landing page stuff that you have been seeing since ChatGPT 4. I think these frontier models releases are starting to blur between each other because the hype for this one didn't quite make a splash. Also something to keep in mind is that ChatGPT 5 performance degraded immensely a literal week after release, just as hype techbros stopped covering it.
>Measuring autism score in LLMslmfao
>>31751>maximumtruth>IQ tests for aiLmao
At least irt Gemini 3 , and it's impact on Google stocks in a bearish environment, is that Google is lowkey expected to win the AI race and survive the bubble.
There are people out there who actually *like* talking to ChatGPT. Just think on that for a moment.
>>31751AI has been good enough for all tasks it’s been assigned. As in all. For a year. Further improvements in LLMs don’t matter. A breakthrough in symbolic models are needed, everything is just coding or porn. Gemini has an Reddit accent when it talks.
Recent analysis of CoreWeave, the biggest AI-focused new public company:
https://archive.ph/2U4i8Some of you are probably already aware that it's a debt-addled zombie thanks to blogposts from the likes of Ed Zitron, but this is more detailed.
>>31777Delayed building a PC because of crypto mining inflating GPU prices and now I finally have money saved up to do it and this happens.
i wish AItards and techbros in general would ack
>>31792they will when the bubble pops
>inb4 gemini is AGI i read blogs about how it hacked the pentagonthat's nice, still not gonna buy gaymini subscription
>>31470To be frank, visual art just takes enormous amounts of time. Especially animation. People want to have fun with their ideas and AI gets them 60% of the way with 0.001% of the work. The exact idea that art is
>artistry and creativity and the spark of the divine that separates man from subhuman creatureis exactly the reason why some boomers did this weird and smug "I'm the artist now, SJW snowflakes, cope!" thing. Because it was culturally tied to the ego. In reality it's just an enormous amount of work that evaporates into nothing because there is so much human-drawn slop on the internet already. The only way to stop people from having this weird reaction is to let them understand that art is just another human activity.
Art and innovation are the two things that liberals absolutely love using as copouts because they think of them as this intangible spark of the divine that commies and bugmen and browns lack basically because god created them as servants for white man. You are aping this idea and put conservatives on the incapable and inferior subhuman creature side. You do so very unconvincingly to anyone who is not entirely consumed by your bubble, by the way. The day this kind of thinking is banished from the general population will be a very good day for materialists.
>learn to code>creative class>entrepreneurial spirit is responsible for profit (this is what bourgeois economists believe by the way)>communism is incapable of innovationand so on are reactionary copouts we could do without. AI will be a blessing in the end because it will crush all those archaic ideas mercilessly.
>>31800>list of archaic ideas:<learn to codeI assume there's some twitter discourse I'm unaware of and "learn to code" is a euphemism for something, but you gotta be aware how something might sound to an outsider or english second language user.
>>31801It's just the way the division between intellectual and manual labor was framed up until 2023 in western media discourse, at least in certain sections. The creative labor - programmers, entrepreneurs, designers, influencers, artists - basically the kinds of people Apple marketing caters to, they also happen to be on the "left-leaning" side of liberalism as a group - were supposed to be rising and irreplaceable while everyone else was a filthy peasant who just couldn't adapt to the new world and that was entirely their fault.
Yes, it could sound silly to someone who has no context whatsoever, but people who read obscure imageboards tend to have knowledge of online discourse so I figured it wasn't an issue.
>>31800I think this is some strange revisionism. The idea that art belongs only to a class of specific people who have technical training is a reactionary idea that goes against the ethos of pretty much all modernist movement and is almost totally gone from the contemporary art scene. The idea is overwhelming that artistry is innate to all people and its conservative critics, philistines for the most part, that reject the idea that art is anything more than technical competency.
And frankly I don’t see how we can’t already see the way AI generation cheapens art and basically debases human creativity. That you call things “human generated slop” already makes me think you hold these conservative views on art, though.
>>31806I have next to no experience with real artists, especially ones educated in the field. My problem is with the way the ideas of art and innovation are used as one of the few tools bourgeois culture has against materialism. It has been absolutely insufferable before very recent years and it's still very annoying. Modernist art movements have sure not stopped contemporary media from running the idea into the ground in the ways I described. They could not: it's far bigger than them. It's the current form of the very old division between manual and intellectual labor.
This may have been the way
>>31801 saw my comment about learn to code because that's just not a corner of the world I know or care much about. The last thing I really heard about it was that art is also a way to store value for bourgeois and some app company wanted to bring that possibility to the petty bourgeois that watch video essayists on youtube too.
>And frankly I don’t see how we can’t already see the way AI generation cheapens art and basically debases human creativity.Don't get me wrong, I do. More than a few things I used to enjoy are now ruined by creators introducing AI into the workflow. It does absolutely cheapen the result in a way that feels very insidious. I myself decided against using AI in many areas because god damn is it repetitive and doing the thing yourself feels a lot better. But I can definitely see why people use it - it is a much more effective way to get the results. And it is getting a lot better very quickly.
>That you call things “human generated slop” already makes me think you hold these conservative views on art, though.Maybe? I have listened to some artists online and they say that making art is a long process of improvement and building skill, but also inspirations and other background. But they were not educated in art academia. I don't think my views on this issue are all that conservative. What do you call the art that is incentivized by the market and as such gets so much art made by people who don't care at all? Like gacha games do nowadays. I would call that slop and there is a lot of it. And a beginner in art is most likely to just do whatever is popular because that's how learning works, you do what others do until you're good at it.
>>31807>What do you call the art that is incentivized by the market and as such gets so much art made by people who don't care at all? Like gacha games do nowadays. I would call that slop and there is a lot of it.The perspective many people have on art and creativity in general is warped for sure. Even when the end product of peoples' work is sublime in a way that is hard to explain in its entirety, the skills needed to get there are still a matter of practice, reasoning and precision. Whenver people insinuate skill to be innate or call voice actors "talents", i throw up a little.
As a unix programmer and hobbyist sysadmin i can confidently say most current software is a hot mess. 90% of programs i use day-to-day suck in some major way and even among those that don't the code itself is often unremarkable. AI code is worse by a few circles of hell though, because it's often structurally baffling and usually even less reliable.
It's finally here:
https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/11/25/white-house-the-us-will-fabricate-science-with-chatbots/""""The Manhattan Project""""" (actually just taxpayer money) for AI.
AI chatbots are now apaprently a matter of national security and to achieve "AGI" dominance, citizen simps will now fund the AI companies so that glorious america can win the "AGI race" against china.
In reality, it's a cheap bailout for stupidly overvalued AI companies which aren't making enough money to keep themselves going. You can only show $300 billion of non-existent money (overvalued stock) going back and forth between nvidia, open ai and oracle but can't actually use it to build the promised data centres, the promise of which are keeping the valuations high. So now enter government, who will generously build it for them and will buy the required GPUs and Oracle databases injecting taxpayer money to keep the bubble from collapsing. Because if the bubble collapses, the american economy is done for a good few years and countries like China even without "AI" will just outcompete them because they didn't stupidly leverage their economy on some imagined AI revolution.
>>31809data centers are also bad infra investments because the chips/servers/network equipment get old after 3-5 years and need to be rebuild
>>31810these are also not general purpose data centres, they're purpose-built LLM training data centres with networked GPUs. so if llms don't work out the only other thing they can be used for at that scale are cryptoshit.
Even if AI perfected writing code you'd just turn every programmer into a technical business analyst whos job is to elicit and model requirements to feed the AI.
Of course, AI cant really replace coders 100% now and probably forever.
>>31809>The funding will apparently come from the Big Beautiful Bill? Somehow.another trump nothingburger where no money is procured and everyone forgets about it in a year like it happend with stargate
>>31818these articles are weird because i keep hearing about benchmark improvements and everything has been more or less the same for about a year
>>31820Benchmarks are subjective and basically a quintessential example of Goodhart's law.
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