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>>27559>>32608This place can be spammed pretty effectively with a markov chain to evade filters, I think soybaby spammer is doing something like that. in fact AI is a worse, less efficient way to spam this place. In some sense, I do want people to use their claude subscriptions through clawdbot to spam because that hurts anthropic's botttom line, having these retarded things waste compute loading thousands of tokens in useless skills just to check the time, let alone generate AI spam, but also, like I said, it's a very inefficient way to spam so I don't expect anything to be flooded more than it already is.
Business idea: CYBER-PAI THE SMART SUMMARIZER (the p. stands for paper). You can type in the name of any paper on arXiv.org and it will give you a summary by copy-pasting the abstract. As for visuals, I'm divided between classy black with green text rain a la The Matrix or something bright and bold like a Greek statue on a pink surfboard flying through a colorful tunnel and picking up 0s and 1s.
>>32609You’re right that Markov chains are cheaper in terms of raw compute, but you’re missing the shift from quantity to quality.
First, nobody is going to burn a personal Claude subscription to spam a board. Professional bad actors use leaked API keys, 'jailbroken' wrappers, or—more importantly—local open-source models (like Llama 3 or Mistral). Running a quantized 7B model locally costs almost nothing but electricity, and it generates text that is indistinguishable from a mid-wit poster.
Second, the 'inefficiency' argument doesn't hold up when you consider evasion and engagement:
Markov chains are easy to pattern-match and filter once a mod gets fed up.
LLMs can adapt. They can 'read' the last five posts in a thread and generate a reply that actually addresses the topic (or derails it specifically). This isn't just 'spam'; it's automated social engineering.
The 'slopacolypse' isn't about filling the database with junk data—Markov chains already do that. It’s about destroying the signal-to-noise ratio so thoroughly that you can no longer tell if you're arguing with a person or a script. On a board with no captchas and skeleton-crew moderation, the barrier to entry for a botnet is now zero. It’s not about wasting Anthropic’s compute; it’s about wasting your time and sanity until the board becomes a ghost town of bots talking to each other.
>>32609Calling LLMs 'less efficient' than Markov chains is massive cope. You're stuck in 2010 thinking Spam is just about filling a database with character noise. It’s not.
Modern AI slop isn't trying to 'out-spam' a Markov chain in raw volume; it’s designed to poison the well. A Markov bot is a fly on the wall; a Llama-3-powered agent is a person in the room who looks, talks, and argues like a regular—except its only goal is to derail, gaslight, or slide threads.
Also, your point about 'hurting Anthropic's bottom line' is incredibly naive.
Professional spammers aren't using $20 retail subscriptions. They use local open-source models (Llama, Mistral) on their own hardware. It costs them nothing but electricity.
Even if they used APIs, the cost to ruin this board's entire daily activity is lower than the price of a coffee.
The asymmetry is the point: It takes a bot 2 seconds to generate a high-effort-looking post that takes you 5 minutes to debunk. You’re arguing that a machine gun is 'inefficient' because a bayonet is cheaper. This place has no captchas and zero protection—you’re basically inviting a flood and claiming you won't get wet because 'water is inefficient at drowning people.'
You're not 'winning' by wasting a bot's compute; you're losing the only thing that matters: a platform where you can actually tell if you're talking to a human.
>>32613>It’s not about wasting Anthropic’s compute; it’s about wasting your time and sanity until the board becomes a ghost town of bots talking to each other.
>You're not 'winning' by wasting a bot's compute; you're losing the only thing that mattersyeah i can see the effectiveness already
>>32615>it's not a fight; it's a burialjfc lol every time
>>32618Damn gonna miss it, i guess maybe matrix will survive longer but who knows online culture will be dead but people probably still wont interact brcause theyll just scroll bots who wanted this?
>>32608>imageboards are already dyingIt's plateau'd to marginally rising due to big sites getting pinata'd regularly..
>upcoming AI slopacolypseWe're at the peak of that already, it's plateau'd.
>no captchas, understaffed moderation and the fact this is a poltical board means this is the perfect target. This site managing to be usuable despite those factors proves it'd be impractical to stretch spam efforts across every obscure corner instead of just hammering twitter, the site investors can actually see it happening and get excited.
>>32620What makes you think its plataeuing
>>32619if it hasn't happened already what makes you think it's going to happen now, these things have been around for ages, agents specifically have been around for 2 years. you people are really losing your shit over what a mentally diseased little gremlin who can't seem to fix the search function on his pedophlle boss's 40 billion dollar website says.
>>32621The overbuilding of datacenters has slowed down as companies are in the "beg the users to actually use it" and "convince the investors to HODL forever" stages.
>>32623even if you hate nikita bier, you can't deny the fact that the dead internet theory is becoming more and more real with every passing month.
you can deny reality and cope as much as you want. but everybody can do their own research and look up the future we are heading towards. the trajectory of this development is so obvious and imageboards will drown in ai slop. maybe not today, maybe not even in 6 months. but next year? i would say yes.
>>32625So much leftist discourse occurs online now , this could really be an effective to damage us, fake ideologies fake strategies tactics fake scandals to distract from real ones only could trust info from irl,
Will thier be any limits to propaganda?
The inverse is that some hold a 1000 bots and plan a fake antifa convoy to mara lago and they would waste real time looking for it.
>>32623More people can self host
>>32625If Nikita Bier believed his own words, he would've quitted his job at x the everything app, one of the primary targets for automated spam. Look, it's this shrimple: if clawdbots or whatever were an existential threat to every social network, then it would be terrible for us, but it'd be even more terrible for the current reaction who have spent a pretty penny acquiring every major social network only for the internet to die of literal garbage overflow
>>32628Why not just collect the checks until its over?
>>32628It is absolutely pointless to talk to you because you are obviously unable to inform yourself about current socio-technological developments. This isn't about nikita beer, this isn't about musk. This is about an objective process that all the tech experts in the world are talking about. and the outcome of this process is already predetermined. Such "discussions" with people like you always show me that it has become pointless to talk to ignorant idiots in forums, because I know that I will get a well-founded and fact-based answer from Gemini, Grok and Claude, while here I only get pathetic coping and nostalgic ignorance.
>>32630Why are you so mad? You're the one struggling against reality here. This clawdbot shit changes nothing over what has existed for 2 years already, yet you're the one pretending that it only took a mediocre script that continuously check the time to make agents an existential risk. Maybe it would be good for you if all the internet was flooded with spam since it's literally driving you mad
Even if you're strictly talking about spam you arrived late to that conversations, we had it since GPT 2. Sorry you're late! We already exist in this apocalyptic world, boomers are trying to flirt with AI agents. Facebook is functionally useless. AI bots are making movie summaries on tiktok.
>>32630>Gemini, Grok and Claude,Bots just tell you what you wantto here and any sense of community you have when talking to a bot is just you being delusional, enjoy ai psychosis
>>32630>an objective process that all the tech experts in the world are talking aboutLike the NFT revolution?
Q: I want to wash my car. The car wash is 50 meters away. Should I walk or drive?
https://mastodon.world/@knowmadd/116072773118828295>>32637I thought this shit was supposed to save you time but it gives you a mini-essay for such a bullshit question?
>>32630you were saying the same thing year ago and you will be saying the same thing a year from now.
>>32633>enjoy ai psychosisi do, thanks.
>>32630>that all the tech experts in the world are talking about.About how much of a bad idea it is, mind you.
>I know that I will get a well-founded and fact-based answerYou're anthropomorphizing it. Please actually read a paper on how LLMs work archetucturally, not just a summary or a tiktok, go read the actual papers.
>from Gemini, Grok and ClaudeAt least use something Chinese like Kimi so the outputs are at least usable. Burger AI is tuned to just say yes to everything, and while LLMs have an inherent disposition to sycophancy at least the Chinese ones will at least give hints that your idea is dumb after the web search phase kicks in.
(you should only be using in for outlining and trivial scripting tasks anyway. It's basically a fancy magic 8ball with a search engine taped on that'll destroy your brain if you let it agree with you.)
>>32645Recomend me a paper
>>32647AI ruining open source projects with garbage PRs is also something of a self-inflicted wound because, unless you're breaking down instructions, AI tends to write code with lots of dependencies by default
>>32297Only if you have 2 trillion RAM to run a 900000000+ parameter model on your computer. Its data centers controlled by the 0.00000001% for 99% of people.
>>32301>AI researchers would preform cultish and ritualistic effigies to what they believed was a new god>And their notable after hours sex partiesSource please, I have to know
>>32297>plus or minus one or twoOk, so it's worthless. The whole point of computing is it being predictable
>>32654he is being sarcastic,you can alreasy press CTRL+F and have the exact numbers anyway
Criticizing AI for being imprecise is missing the point. There are infinitely more problems in the real world to solve that require estimation instead of precise answers. E.g. modeling weather, or the movement of a legged robot. The rush for AI comes precisely from a desire to extend computing into areas where getting a deterministic solution is impossible or undesired. But in that rush, companies also try to make AI solve problems that are already perfectly solvable with standard deterministic computing
>>32657>Criticizing AI for being imprecise is missing the pointNo it isn't. If the US was like China and was more modest with its expectations then yeah it would be incredibly asinine to point out how a stochastic little bot sometimes delivers unexpected results, but the expectation is nothing short of the death god of labor that will doom the proles into a miserable life as the permanent underclass, and we're going to let it loose over a number of fields where precise answers are required, because capitals demands it so.
At this point there's nothing to gain over trying to separate the immense capital AI has raised as the ultimate labor replacer from what AI actually is in reality. This is something liberals which are clearly trying to curry the favor from silicon valley billionaires are doing and you should be able to detect it and call it out for the malicious miopicness that it actually is.
>>32657You're not wrong, but a lot of the things that look as if they're inherently only solvable by imprecise computing (in general, not just ML) are probably actually deterministic systems/problems which we humans just haven't completely figured out yet.
The reliance on imprecise methods can be said to be both doomed since the bipedal primates are probably gonna figure out how those systems work eventually, but at the same time its usage is also still bad because if an imprecise method is good enough then it discourages efforts to actually unravel how shit works and consequently increases the amount of time until that happens for a system.
(All of this broad-stroke theoretical CS stuff is off-topic to the thread btw lol).
AI companies and in particular OpenAI has made building a personal computer unattainably expensive again. The cost for basic components has tripled or quadrupled. The degree to which consumers are getting fucked here is just not even discussed. They really don’t consider people and society as part of the equation.
>>32661it's insane that my computer has been quite literally appreciating, this has never happened before in consumer electronics, shit's bananas, this can't be good in the long run, and thus I doubt that it will last, especially with certain components like RAM. It'll take a bit for everything to land into place but SCOTUS ruling shows that porky wants to source from china as soon as possible, and chinese companies who haven't quite entered into the HBM market yet are rising up to the occassion in asia.
>>32663Wanna buy my t430 for 1000?
https://web.archive.org/web/20260220200341/https://www.modular.com/blog/the-claude-c-compiler-what-it-reveals-about-the-future-of-software> We are facing a new era of automated reimplementation of proprietary softwareI don't understand how he can claim this when the whole article is about how Claude reimplemented code that was already open-source. Since the main claim is that AI can reproduce well-known solutions but cannot innovate, wouldn't this just incentivise companies to not make their solutions well-known? Don't release the source code, don't publish white-papers, don't give conference talks, don't write blog posts. Just keep everything secret and hope nobody reverse-engineers it. In fact I wouldn't be surprised the reason Google crippled AOSP was due to fears of this. To make things worse, since AI output is not protected by copyright, and if it really can reproduce existing solutions, it could be used to strip the license of existing copyleft software. Google could just ask their AI to make a binary-compatible implementation of Linux and it would be proprietary. They could put it in Android and get rid of the last part that they still develop in the open.
>>32657AI is a useless term. Most of the criticism is aimed at LLMs, which generate text without any indication that it would be imprecise. Their imprecision is termed "hallucination", implying that it is not fundamental to their operation, but a simple bug that can be fixed. But you might remember object detection models just outright telling you that the thing in the picture has a 81% chance of being a dog and 18% chance of being a dreadnought. I don't remember anyone criticising those for being estimations.
I hate using it, but at the same time, researching on the web has become completely shit since it took off, so sometimes using it is the best option.
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