You know why I hate Mastodon and Bluesky? They pretend to be an alternative to Big Tech platforms, but these "alternatives" are walled gardens, just like the Big Tech platforms. Neither on Bluesky nor on Mastodon can you search content without an account. If you don't have an account, you don't get any search results. Totally hypocritical.
IIRC these services have serious resource constraints, and they reduce features available to resolve this.
>>32370oh man, this is such a lame excuse.
>>32371They are ad-free (at least mastodon) retard
Go to another Mastodont instance and you will probably be able to be the entilted freeloader piece of shit you are retarded faggot
the real problem with especially the Mastodon side of things is the HOA people
>you disagree with our radlib circlejerk? banned!
>you run an instance that federates with instances we don't like? banned!
>>32372>freeloader piece of shit you are retarded faggotdamn, i remember when people here defended the open web and hated walled gardens. times have changed.
>>32369You hate them because you are a chud
>>32377no i am not a chud. i am trying to find a GOOD alternative to Xitter, but it turns out, all these "alternatives" do the same shit.
it simply annoys me, that you need these days for everything an account. and even the supposed alternatives play along. at this point, even youtube is closer to the ideal of the open web, because even they don't ask you for an account (yet).
>>32379Search an alternative server/instance (AT is shit anyways and bsk is full of gigalibs)
>>32375Free as in free speech not free as in free beer retard
>hated walled gardensNot a walled garden, it is indexable by other instances without this limitation
Is Mastodon no longer open because you need an account for posting? Why do you draw a line at searching and not posting
It is also Open in the sense that it is federated and OPEN source
>>32380>Why do you draw a line at searching and not postinglisten buddy, i am a simple internet consoomer and i hate accounts. i can browse reddit and youtube completely without account. but for some reason, i can't browse mastodon and bluesky which are supposed to be the "good guys". this makes me mad.
its actually that simple.
>>32381>it makes me sad that I am not served EVERYTHING for free on demand without paying ANYTHING (not even ads or tracking) (this includes not making a fucking account)Just switch servers or self-host you fucking RETARD
>mastodon and bluesky which are supposed to be the "good guys"No they aren't
>>32382Lemmy search works okay-ish for me, it does not take into account temporal relevancy but you can set the timeframe manually
Mastodon is not a freedom project. It's the perfect trap.
People think they've built "their own little world" with their own rules. In reality, they've voluntarily locked themselves into a tiny cage that fits them perfectly.
Every instance is a pen for a specific type of human: the perpetually outraged, the eternally offended, the pronoun cops, the edgelords: all neatly separated, all perfectly predictable.
500 characters aren't enough for thoughts, but they're perfect for feelings. Every post is a little scream, a stamp: "This is me now." You chop yourself into smaller and smaller identity crumbs. The network eats them all.
There's no boss, no central censor. The users police each other… and think that's freedom. That's the most brilliant control of all: the herd guards itself.
When someone switches instances, they think they're escaping. They're just handing over even more precise data about themselves. The net gets tighter, more custom-fitted.
In the end, no one is left.
Only the avatars keep posting.
The network speaks through dead profiles.
And everyone thinks it's cozy.
>>32386At least be honest about it upfront and don't pretend to care about "walled gardens", the " open web", "hypocrisy", "alternatives" and " Big Tech"
has anyone actually ever wondered, why leftypol has an official X account, but they are not on bluesky or mastodon? 🤔
>>32383ok, so here is my update how to browse mastodon without an account:
there is only one way, you have to search by hashtags. BUT you can search only by a single hashtag. for example if you type in just #tech or just #google, it will work. but if you type in #tech #google it wont work.
i must correct myself: mastodon is only a 99% walled garden.
>>32369>these "alternatives" are walled gardensYou fundamentally misunderstand what a walled garden is. If you use a different instance you have full interactivity with other instances, and you can migrate.
That's like calling email a walled garden.
>If you don't have an account, you don't get any search results.That's because search is a very taxing thing on servers. It's a anti-ddos sorta deal.
On fedi It's also not that ready of a feature to begin with, you'll get some posts but clearly it's not every post for that tag.
Bluesky doesn't have an excuse though since they ain't planning to actually have instances, they have a CEO.
>>32371>oh man, this is such a lame excuse.Learn to code and help optimize that then.
>>32373Don't use an HOA instance then. They're a self-solving issue. They block your instance, you don't see them anymore, the chill users from there leave over time because using an HOA instance is boring because HOA people don't do or make anything interesting.
>>32391>you have to search by hashtags. Okay so search works fully without an account then. There's no text search, and you can't search multiple tags. Neither of those have been implemented.
Like that's how it works when you
do have an account.
i stopped using mastodon because the instance i used to make my account was silently sold to some skeevy japanese cloud company, not like i had much in that account, but it's pretty insane considering that mastodon admins have access to virtually everything, including DMs, at least with xitter you already know elon musk has access to your DMs so you're already careful by default, but it's insane to me that some opaque entity can get the data from potentially thousands of accounts just like that, very stupid model unless you are running small personal instances.
>>32390i thought it was some furry thing, boy was I mistaken. and it's prominent enough to be featured on AI responses, that's whack. huge red flag.
>>32390>The AI thinks baraag is in a big 5lmao
Every other instance is dwarfed by mastodon.social individually, but barely one federates with mastodon.social, at most limits it due to it's spam and HOA tendencies.
Comprared to overall traffic across all instances it's negligible.
>>32395Nah it is, just the AI doesn't mention that since articles about it doesn't.
>and it's prominent enough to be featured on AI responses, that's whackActivitypub is a protocol, it's everywhere. I've seen manga casually mention misskey and mastodon.
>>32394Well yeah the idea is you eventually make a small personal instance for yourself and a few friends. I've seen propositions for a hard user cap to keep instances from overscaling.
>>32397this sounds like the perfect way to create a ultra lame, ideologically incestuous echo chamber.
>>32393es ist vorbei, eugen rochko. wir haben dein verlogenes spiel durchschaut.
>>32398Nah because they federate with eachother.
>>32397>Well yeah the idea is you eventually make a small personal instance for yourself and a few friends.i'm not convincing my group chat of joining shit, because they're already in a group chat, they only miss out on the possibility of being seen by 3 different people for a fraction of a fraction of a second while scrolling the federated timeline
>>32401Well nah it's like, you run an instance, and if they get curious about it you can invite them. Like if you wanna encourage it then you could share stuff from fedi, but it's not like a minecraft SMP.
>>32400yeah sure. you know very well, that not federation, but defederation is the norm on mastodon.
i actually gave mastodon.social a try in the past, so i know what i am talking about. it is a total hivemind, the very definition of an echo chamber.
btw i think this mastodon mantra of "just make your own instance lol" is literally the same shit, when capitalists say "uhmm just start your own business, lol".
>>32406No. This is more like saying "if you don't like ActivityPub/Mastodon start your own protocol/social media based on AP", ancaps/libs say that when you ask for systemic changes. And people say " make your own instance" when you are complaining about a concrete instance
Not thw same, i hoped i made myself understood
>>32403>i actually gave mastodon.social a try in the past, so i know what i am talking about.Try an actual instance an not a famously unmoderated demo with HOA culture. I'll save you some trouble and tell you furry instances are decent most of the time.
https://furryfediverse.org/ >>32403Like you can't pretend you don't know most instances specifically defederate or limit mastodon.social for being too big. You're fully aware that's a non-standard experience.
>>32408>furry instancesyeah thanks, but no thanks.
>>32410Rent lowering furries keeps HOA people out, which includes you I guess.
>>32406it's not the same thing, but it's still silly to expect people to run their own instances, because it's pointless, people just aren't going to see you, and mastodon just does not have the right conditions for reply guys to thrive
>>32413>people just aren't going to see youFederation fixes that if you set it up right.
>mastodon just does not have the right conditions for reply guys to thriveI see strangers reply to my posts pretty often, and I have 100-ish followers so it's not like I'm popular on there, I just show up on the federated timeline or in whatever tags I use.
From what I can tell from Wikipedia, a reply guy is supposed to be rude replies, so if that's what you mean then idk I guess. There's no clout incentive to be rude outside of the HOA archipelago. Everyone's there on break or posting art, just chilling, not seeking opportunities to engage in sophistry hoping to win Elon gibs.
That seems like a good thing to me.
>>32414>a reply guy is supposed to be rude repliesit's just a guy who replies, it used to be limited to guys replying to thirst posts, but it's more or less guys who reply as a main means of interaction, and yeah I mean I get a lot of visibility by just replying, and when I was on xitter before being banned, I managed to even cobble a small follower base by literally just replying, which I found much harder to do on mastodon because people just don't discuss shit or riff or anything like that from what I could tell
>>32415>I managed to even cobble a small follower base by literally just replying, which I found much harder to do on mastodon because people just don't discuss shit or riff or anything like that from what I could tellWell that's odd, I've had success talking people proactively like that, though I do make my own posts more often than I reply to stuff.
People tend to look at your profile before following on there, so if you don't have many original posts or reblog anything people might think find that sus, or that you don't use it much. (silimlar happens if you only reblog stuff)
Pinning an original post you made, even something silly, might help on that front, I noticed people followed me more after that even back when I was rather reblog heavy.
>>32415>because people just don't discuss shit or riff or anything like that from what I could tellits because discussion (aka questionibg things) is forbidden on mastodon. the comment section pn mastodon has the same function just like on reddit: regurgitating the dominant ideology on the platform. if you don't do this, they will immediately label you as a troll and block you. i have always wondered, why there is no action on mastodon, no provocation, no shitposting, no cyncism, no creative output in general. its because it is a totally lobotomized "community", the exact left wing equivalent to gab and truth.social.
>>32418Didn't you admit that you only used mastodon.social and acted like that's somehow a standard experience?
>Oh no I purposefully joined the main HOA instance and there was HOA people there, how could this happen?Of coure mastodon.social is like woke truth.social, that's what HOA people want, so they detethered themselves from the rest of fedi in the same way gab and truth.social did. Gab was the first HOA instance.
Just use a non-HOA instance. You know the rest of fedi exists because you said 'block' and not 'delete.'
>>32420>Just use a non-HOA instance.they are all cults. and it defeats the entire purpose of having 1000000 micro sects. this is why nobody is using mastodon. it isn't a twitter alternative. it is at best a discord alternative.
>>32421There's the HOA archipelago, the chud archipelago, the lolisho archipelago, and then the rest of fedi.
3 insular sects, and then everyone else is connected.
>>32422No, you still don’t get it.
The entire rest of the fedi is NOT ‚connected and neutral‘, it’s just the extended HOA empire with slightly looser borders. The big ‚normal‘ instances (mas.to, troet.cafe, chaos.social, flick.social, etc.) are all run by the exact same German/NL/US progressive NGO-academic caste that runs mastodon.social. They all defederate the same targets on day one, they all have the same 40-point rules list, they all instantly gang-silence anyone who uses wrongthink keywords.
There is no ‚everyone else is connected‘ zone. There is only the Greater HOA Reich and then three or four isolated ghettos (chud, loli, and whatever’s left of the old weird fedi).
The whole promise of ‚join any instance, you’re still on the big network‘ is a lie. In practice there are exactly two networks that matter:
1. The progressive elite monoculture (90 % of active users, perfectly sealed, zero tolerance for dissent)
2. A handful of leper colonies where the outcasts were kindly allowed to go
Mastodon didn’t create a million free communities.
It created one gigantic, perfectly sanitized palace for the ruling class and then a couple of reservations for the undesirables so the palace dwellers can keep pretending they’re the tolerant ones.
That’s why it feels dead.
It was never meant to be alive.
It was meant to be pure.
>>32425Your premise hinges on the idea I implied that the HOA was just manstodon.social and not every too-large-to-moderate instance.
Any instance too large to reasonably moderate resorts to HOA tactics, as the trust that admins and federation as a mechanisn can actually protect against spam breaks down, causing hypervigilance to be an acceptable mindset.
The "The big ‚normal‘ instances" are like that because they hare hypermassive and can't stop expanding despite demonstrably being unable to handle the load.
>A handful of leper colonies where the outcastsThat's where the rest of fedi is. That's where all the activity is pubbing. As I keep telling you, everyone else either defederates from or limits these hypermassive instances due toetheir spam problems.
>were kindly allowed to goYou went into poteticism without thinking of what that represents. The HOA instances don't allowance anything to the rest of fedi, the rest of fedi are seperate websites that block or limit them. They are the twitterlerite lepur colony that keeps the rest of fedi free of that shit, not the other way around.
The reason why you see it the way you do is because you resonate with the culture of the HOA instances more, judging by how quickly you rejected picking a furry instance. You just want a twitter out of a technology that structurally evades being twitter on purpose, and breaks down when treated as a twitter.
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