systemd implemented age verification guess that about wraps it up for linux being the free and open operating system LOL
to all systemd apologists: we told you so
im guessing this is just some easy to spoof meaningless bullshit
>>32922Everythin' a casual user would be usin' can run with just Wayland. Sometimes you stumble on an applictation that needs Xwayland, and thus X, but that's power user stuff.'
Also yes my [7th letter of the latin alphabet] key is broken. Yes I have a wireless keyboard with a all keys functional but I don't feel like rennovatin' my desk set up until I rise from my desk for a break. >>32924i'm reading your posts in applejack's voice
>>32921The thread also shows a perfect example of the tactics these projects use to reject unwanted code.
>This pull request is not for implementing non-specific age groups. Make your own.<We don't want age groups, because they would need to be manually updated.<Also that would mean like a gorillion groups about drinking and driving (ad absurdum).Mind you, they said "userdb shouldn't arbitrarily edit any sort of field" before this.
>SystemD is not load bearin' to Linux, nor was X, as shown by it's near complete replacement by WaylandWayland has XWayland and i'm still not using it, due to my window management setup. For systemd there is a lot more infrastructure and opiniated design:
Consider the binary logs that would need to be migrated. A systemd successor would require a .unit parser at least on the level of nosh's (
http://jdebp.uk./Softwares/nosh/) and extend it to serve as a generic migration tool or preliminary frontend. And most importantly of all, systemd continues to control the dbus project. I imagine debian and suse ripping out systemd would just make them double down on the all the world's redhat attitude, that is already painful for the BSDs to deal with.
I also occasionally use the archiso for testing and have been slowly seeing formerly seperate programs, like grub or wpa_supplicant, replaced with their systemd equivalents. If this really comes to past, most distros will probably rally around an "esystemd" fork or just copy gentoo's homework and regress to sysvinit/openrc. None of the current maintainers would want to replace systemd init with daemontools or runit (because doing service management with them is a hack honestly) and s6 or others with a modular, well-thought out design get barely any adoption even within the systemd-less community.
>>32926i would chalk linux up as a loss at this point, bsd is the last free OS
>still using systemd
>>32921>>32924Your posts are cute but also you know you can just map G to a different key or key combination, right?
>>32919And they will expose the age info through DBus…
>>32920>im guessing this is just some easy to spoof meaningless bullshitI hope it will be easy as "sudo agectl set 1917" or "sudo systemctl disable age-verificaiton.service", or perhaps Gentoo will have a USE flag to disable/patch out age verification code
The FOSS world dug its own grave by aligning itself with capitalism. Great idea to let a subsidiary of IBM build a fundamental part of your "free" operating system lol.
>>32930It is just that key that's fried on my split keyboard from a water incident, so maybe I'll do that. I do very much prefer it over the wireless one.
>>32919It's to protect the children :^)
shut up whiny nerds! theyre gonna implement it at the hardware level and then ur fucked cause ur a consumerist bitch
you know how you fix that? you know how you fix ram prices?
seize the means of production
>>32942Will this go away after revolution anyways? Most people would have gotten comfortable with it so there would be no need to revert all these changes. Also, it could be useful to prevent conterrevolutions
>>32943yes after the rev everything will be perfect and your local will hand out free 128gb sticks according to need
>>32944Will I also get at least one free PB
>>32924wayland is broken redhat garbage
That and Age Verification is a terrible idea to begin with and is yet another step in increasing the surveillance state that started with the Patriot Act. Not to mention that Meta/Facebook along with Apple and Microsoft are the ones funding/lobbying/bribing for these Age Verification Laws to begin with.
>>32919>age verificationLook inside
>"are you above 18" porn-site bannerWow
>>32955>Not to mention that Meta/Facebook along with Apple and Microsoft are the ones funding/lobbying/bribing for these Age Verification Laws to begin with.I don't understand why they do it. Aren't the shrinking their market? Children can ask their parents for toys or whatever so they are losing adwatcher by preventing them from using their products
>>32957>Aren't the shrinking their market? whale strategy? targeted ads might have a higher profit rate than shotgun blasting
>>32957As the internet (and the IT industry) becomes more centralized to a handful of huge ungovernable platforms run by a few megaconglomerates, it creates an accountability problem. Moderating a platform with billions of users is a mathematical impossibility, even with the help of AI, and these companies are well aware of this so they are doing preemptive damage control - implement a minimum age requirement to use their services and then they can effectively wash their hands of the whole situation. AI-generated child porn, stolen content, cyberstalking, harassment, hate speech - all of it is no longer their responsibility, it's the responsibility of the users to protect themselves and their children, if anything bad happens to someone on these platforms it is automatically the victim's own fault, not the Big Tech CEO's fault. They want to rule the world but they don't want to be held accountable for what happens to their subjects. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
>>32956>>"are you above 18" porn-site bannerBut that's only what used to be the case up until a few years ago. The way new age verification laws manifests, is by sites like tumblr being completely gutted in that department and next to every other place now requiring you to make an account.
>>32975its a nothingburger tho rite?
>>32976A single developer writing age verification pull requests on multiple projects is still suspicious and i have nothing but contempt for freedesktop contributors.
I honestly don't get how this could be technically implemented given that not everyone is a burger so they don't have to comply with their retarded laws. Unless you won't even be able to use your OS offline anymore due to geolocation requirement (and even then if you're a burger you can just fake it by proxying that specific system process). But no offline use is too batshit insane to be realistic anyway.
IMO it's a nothingburger that will be trivial to disable, probably will be opt-in instead of opt-out anyway. In any case most distros will ship it disabled by default and won't use it.
>>33026 (me)
Another thing I don't get is how will date of birth even be verified? What prevents me from just entering 1970-01-01? And how would a verification be implemented across different countries with completely different systems of ID verification, many of which are not even digitized or automated?
I don't see how this matters, I can just put that I was born in 1914 and be done with it.
>>33029people are rightfully interpreting this as a first step towards ID verification from the OS layer
>>33030Never going to happen to Linux. There will be forks and it won't just be fringe hobby projects because both users and devs will migrate en masse. At worst it will be similar to rooting your smart phone to install an unofficial ROM. Even if they try to force ID verification at BIOS level.
>>33031>Never going to happen to Linux. There will be forksif it happens at the kernel level then someone will have to fork the linux kernel and whatever they call that will no longer be linux
personally i kind of hope that will happen, i hate how linux-centric the FOSS world has become and how the word linux has become sort of synonymous with free software when it's really just one project among many others. decades of obnoxious linux evangelism have gotten us to this point and i think it would be pretty hilarious and great if linus torvalds destroys the reputation of his own project by implementing kernel level age verification or merging ai-generated code into the upstream kernel and i feel like it's only a matter of time before either of those things happen and linux finally gets taken down a peg or two and stops being the flagship FOSS operating system that it never should have been.
Groundbreaking OSINT investigation shows how three decisions by individuals with undisclosed financial interests permanently altered the identity infrastructure of every major GNU/Linux distribution running systemdhttps://isoc-sig.freifunk.net/systemd/systemd%20birthDate%20Merge_%20Corporate%20Filings%20&%20Governance%20Failure%20-%20TBOTE%20Project.html>On March 18, 2026, a first-time contributor submitted a pull request adding a birthDate field to systemd's user record schema. A Microsoft employee merged it against 37 thumbs-down and 1 thumbs-up. The community submitted a revert. Lennart Poettering - who had incorporated a commercial Linux startup called Amutable seven months earlier - closed the revert without merging and locked the discussion. The entire sequence took 48 hours.>This investigation pulled Amutable's founding documents from the German Handelsregister. The corporate filings show three equal shareholders, no outside investors, and self-dealing exemptions that let any founder sign contracts between the company and their own personal entities. All three founders were employed at Microsoft when they signed the founding deed. A hidden shareholders' agreement - referenced three times in the Articles of Association but never filed publicly - governs economic rights, IP assignment, and vesting terms the public cannot see.>Three decisions put the birthDate field into systemd. Each was made by someone with a direct financial interest in the outcome. No one disclosed those interests. systemd has no conflict-of-interest policy, no steering committee, no community veto, and no disclosure requirements. The project that boots every major Linux distribution has less formal governance than a typical mid-size open source project.
<~Mid-March>Dylan Taylor submits PR #40954 - birthDate field in userdb>First-time contributor<March 18>Luca Boccassi merges PR (37 thumbs-down, 1 thumbs-up)>Microsoft employee<March 18>PR generates 945 comments. Maintainers lock it.<March 19>Community submits revert PR #41179>paramazo<March 19>Poettering closes revert without merging>Amutable founder<March 19>Poettering locks conversation, restricts to collaborators>Amutable founder
<Luca Boccassi>Employed at Microsoft. Microsoft spent $10.35M lobbying on KOSA and COPPA 2.0, already collects birth dates in Windows, and faces near-zero compliance cost from AB-1043. Open source competitors face an existential implementation burden. Boccassi made no statement about whether Microsoft had any position on the field or whether his decision was reviewed internally.<Lennart Poettering>Co-founded Amutable seven months earlier. Amutable's stated mission is "cryptographically verifiable integrity for Linux workloads." Every new identity field in systemd strengthens the market case for commercial integrity tooling. Poettering made no disclosure of his commercial interest.>>"It's an optional field in the userdb JSON object. It's not a policy engine, not an API for apps. We just define the field, so that it's standardized iff people want to store the date there, but it's entirely optional. Hence, please move your discussion elsewhere, you are misunderstanding what systemd does here. It enforces zero policy, it leaves that up for other parts of the system." - PR #41179, March 19 >>33046What else has he done?
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