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Why is everyone acting like nothing's happening? It's obvious that in the next few years we'll have extreme unemployment rates.
"Just learn trades" won't work - guess what, everyone's going to be doing that. I think a prole should be prepared to become indefinitely unemployed, with a very high degree of propability, in the very near (5-10 years) future.
How are you preparing?

>>33316
>preparing
Nah. Im just killing myself when shit gets too tough.

pretty sure the devastating unemployment rates are already here, dummy. like singlehandedly trump is choosing every possible economic and policy option that leads to accelerated unemployment rates. oh you're talking about the spooky AI crap? lol

>>33316
Things have already been really bad for a while, the media just refuses to acknowledge reality so everyone thinks they're just individually suffering.

>>33318
>pretty sure the devastating unemployment rates are already here,
While Trump probably plays a role here, he's obviously not the main factor as this shit is happening all over the world.
Having to apply a gazillion times just to get an interview is just the beginning. It will get so much worse.

there is always crime anon. Is this your first time being poor?

>>33320
1) yes stuff like the war in iran tends to have global repercussions
2) im a thirdie and have like two jobs lined up, so, uh how do i explain this in the kindest way possible, outsourced jobs DO go somewhere. they're frontend positions too.

>>33316
>How are you preparing?
making myself indispensable at work and lining up to get promoted into the department were are currently spinning up to replace the loss in shipments. feel really luck rn to be employed and they probably wont shut down our building bc my team is based but will close others nearby. still cutting my hours and grocery is putting me near paycheck to paycheck but promo comes with hours

Sounds like suicide is the best option

>>33316
Ha ha! Wigger pig

I can tell you I'm not afraid of AI taking my job any time soon. For one, I work at McDonald's, and the AI has already been implemented there for some years in the form of "eProduction" that tells you how much food to have prepped at any given moment in time. In practice, 90% of the time, employees just ignore it. For two, if they replace that AI with some LLM burger factory, I'm 100% convinced it would serve a customer an empty plate and then argue with them that they received their burger. LLMs only impress people who don't use them enough to see the warts.

>>33333
My former employer tried to replace some dumb automation I was maintaining with AI and now they're back to doing everything manually, i literally now have first hand experience with people trying and failing to actually leverage this shit in a way that is threatening. But I guess it doesnt matter, the global economy won't resist the ongoing war on Iran, so we will see AI fucking burst into shit, take the stocks with it and jobs will not come back anyway. It's joever, this is the kill yourself economy.

>>33316
>Why is everyone acting like nothing's happening?
its just normal capitalist necropolitics

>>33334
Nations are just the macroscopic form of life, just like cells are the microscopic form of it. All life seeks homeostasis.

When I was a kid in the 90s-00s, I was convinced there'd be no forests for my children because of acid rain. Acid rain still exists, but the threat has been substantially mitigated because people were aware of it and did something about it. This last month in my home of South Dakota, there was an attempt to drill for graphite on sacred Lakota land. It got blocked thanks to direct (chaining to the machines) and legal action, no drilling took place. I'm sorry, but I'm way too optimistic based on my life experience. Every problem gets solved or diminished over time. The Iran war is already at the point where they're negotiating peace deals, I'm sure it sucked over in that corner of the world but in this corner it's just $5 gas prices for two months.

The only struggle I see is how to get people to work when they get paid anyway, post-capitalism. I talk to a lot of young people about their philosophies on life because I've got nothing better to do, and not one of them has said they'd be willing to work if everything were free and just depended on people working because it's the right thing to do.

>>Why is everyone acting like nothing's happening?
i think i got frog boiled. its like when you get rugpulled 10x in a row so you flip to short and then the stonk moons because you are actually the crowd and your own sentiment was actually an indicator that flipped with the rest of the sheep.

kinda feel like this ones gonna get me after being a prepper pre-covid but at the same time i am for the first time financially stable so maybe i deserve it for holding fiat and opening a retirement account instead of investing in rice and bean stocks for my pantry

>>33340
>Every problem gets solved or diminished over time.
on a cosmic scale, sure, every problem will get solved. but what we're seeing is a consumer crisis and a crisis of overcapitalization. we have all the ingredients ready for a great depression type event. also you have a government stacked with ideologues that just dont have the diplomatic chops needed to sort the crisis in iran, it doesnt just "suck in that part of the world", by december there's going to be a price shock so massive it's going to melt down what remains, so you think, it will never get to that point, they will negotiate, but you need to understand that if a deal is reached today, it'll take months or years before supply goes back to normal. i think this is something the trump admin lowkey already contemplates, they are already expecting a world-catastrophic price shock and are just sitting there, swallowing as many sins as possible before they get wiped out on the next electoral cycle. i don't expect us to enter a post-capitalism world without bitter strife, and i certainly don't expect LLMs to be the catalyst for that transition, i expect years of struggle ahead. but i am cautiously optimistic about what follows, sure, if i manage to survive to see another dawn.

>>33342
I'm not sure if anything could cause a great depression today. There were different circumstances then (namely, uninsured deposits at banks). A recession, sure, but I've lived through enough of those not to find them that scary. Even being poor in the US during a recession is like winning the "where to be born" lottery. To be clear, I'm not saying that from the vantage point of blind patriotism. I'm saying it from the vantage point of a parent with a nearly 30 year old son who is willingly homeless and who gave up his ID and won't get mental health help, and I swear it's [in part] because being homeless is so comfortable in the US. This honestly wasn't my opinion even a few years ago, I always thought those public benches with a bar in the middle to prevent homeless people taking a nap on them were evil, but now I understand the concept. We had him on the waitlist for government subsidized housing (they've literally paid us in months where neither of us had a job, to pay off the electric bill), we had him on food stamps in his own name, he moved out because we wanted him to get a part time job to help with bills while his SSI application pended. He had medicaid for about a month before he moved out, hasn't been to a doctor since he was 14. (I'm his stepdad in case you're wondering where the fuck I've been his whole life).

And yet I'm completely optimistic. You're right to say
>on the cosmic scale
Because that's entirely the level I think on. I've accessed my past life memories and the space between worlds that people visit during Near Death Experiences (I have a condition that makes my heart stop periodically, got a pacemaker for it now yay 🙂, so I've been 'dead' for a few seconds a few times). I'm 100% convinced that children come into this world remembering who they were before they came here, but by the time they pick up language, they've forgotten most of it and are conditioned out of accessing it. I once had sex with a woman who was tracking her ovulation to make sure we didn't conceive. After I left the state, I had a "dream" of an alien abduction experience where my sperm was harvested by grey aliens. The next morning, she called me to say she was pregnant. I completely believe there are grey aliens and they are hostile to us. I also completely believe the US government knows about them and has since at least Roswell.
And yet I'm completely optimistic.

Everything has consistently gotten better for humanity throughout all of time, if you just zoom out your timescale by like, at least twenty years. Do it by fifty and it's even more obvious. I don't believe Jesus was a man, but I do believe the bible has instructions for how to live a full life. God is the universe, and also the consciousness which projects into that universe.
<I tell you not to worry about everyday life—whether you have enough food and drink, or enough clothes to wear. Isn’t life more than food, and your body more than clothing?
<Look at the birds. They don’t plant or harvest or store food in barns, for your heavenly Father feeds them. And aren’t you far more valuable to him than they are?
<Can all your worries add a single moment to your life?
<“And why worry about your clothing? Look at the lilies of the field and how they grow. They don’t work or make their clothing, yet Solomon in all his glory was not dressed as beautifully as they are.
<And if God cares so wonderfully for wildflowers that are here today and thrown into the fire tomorrow, he will certainly care for you. Why do you have so little faith?
<“So don’t worry about these things, saying, ‘What will we eat? What will we drink? What will we wear?’
<These things dominate the thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly [source] already knows all your needs.
<Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.
<So don’t worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries. Today’s trouble is enough for today.
Don't think of these words as scripture. Think of these words as yourself, in a past life, writing a reminder down for yourself in a future life. (Fun fact, the middle east is pretty close to India, and ancient Christians believed in reincarnation. Modern christianity has very little resemblance to the OG form, but you probably knew that.).


>i don't expect us to enter a post-capitalism world without bitter strife

To paraphrase a Buddha, we suffer because we wish to be free of suffering, and that desire to be free of suffering is itself the true pain. It's a daily chore to release that desire to be free of suffering, but I've got about three years of excellent practice at it since my daughter died three years ago. As Epicurus said:
>“Every pain is easily disregarded; for any intense pain is brief, and the suffering brought on by a physical pain that lasts long is slight.”
Well, it's true for psychological pain too. And financial pain. To return this to your economic doomer mentality:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States#Great_Depression_onward_(1929%E2%80%93present)
Look at the duration column. Even the great depression only lasted three years. The older you get, the faster time goes. It's the same general pattern as the Wheel of the Year, just on a slightly slower timescale. A recession is an economic "winter", and the economic "seasons" each last about a year and a quarter. (Add the "duration" and "time since last recession" columns). These pains are predictable, and I'm just Joe Schmoe recognizing the pattern. I understand it's an argument from authority, but I do believe that the people with their hands on the rudder of the economy can notice the same patterns I notice and have a bit more understanding as to how to address them.

I for sure see an AI bubble that's ready to burst, but I don't really see how it's going to affect me. It's going to affect shareholders in these speculative AI venture firms, a class of which I am not a member. It will hit the mutual funds, but the whole point of a mutual fund is that it's insulated against this sort of thing, so it won't hit them *that* hard. The people it will hit worst are the speculators, the people just trying to make a buck off of other peoples' work with no understanding of what they're doing or of its ramifications. There's probably a marxist word for this group of people that I don't know because I'm a 420chan refugee outside the poltical spectrum. But I don't have pity for them suffering when a bubble bursts.
>i certainly don't expect LLMs to be the catalyst for that transition
Zoom out your perspective. Everything has been a catalyst, and everything has been part of that transition. The NHS was founded in 1948, Medicaid was established in 1965, and both programs have expanded since their inception. The trend, both globally and in individual nations, is for more services to become public over time. Look at the Lifeline program for phone service in the US, first implemented in 1985, expanded to wireless in 2005, ten years ago they even started offering a paltry credit towards internet as an alternative for phone service. Give it another ten years and I bet they'll be paying for the full internet contract.
>i expect years of struggle ahead
You're right to expect that (see my Buddha quote above), but that's just the human condition. Struggle. I suppose in my post of quotes, that leads me to a good quote to end this ramble on.
>One must imagine Sisyphus happy.

>>33347
How old are you?

>>33348
Nunya.

You'll be unemployed because industrial society will largely collapse due to the end of a stable climate.

Once the true pricing of AI is revealed, it’s not going to be something most organisations can afford to utilise. The megacorporations like Amazon will probably fire everyone to replace them with AI, but I can’t see every mom and pop business that nevertheless currently survives against automated conglomerates going all in on AI.

>>33359
it already is, most companies are running out of AI budget, my company has started to ration it and now you can't use cursor outside office hours now, so automated tasks are a no-go currently

anyway if the token economy is heavily subsidized then the people who stand to gain from AI are, well, industry professionals who are able to efficiently draw stuff from these things without blindly exploring latent space. this is why junior hirings are slowly picking back up, tbh it seems like the crisis is still diminished returns of profit across the entire software space, so in my eyes the people who are suddenly going to be at risk are senior staff with high salaries, and the ground will shift towards cheaper junior staff and outsourced developers.

I'm looking forward to being unemployable honestly. An excuse to be a NEET for the rest of my short miserable life.

>>33359
It's interesting because at least in tech the deskilling has been so massive. Tons of formerly competent people have just completely unlearned how to write code/reports/etc by hand without AI. If there really was a sudden uptick in AI prices (and it's very likely that there will be) it would be a very entertaining disaster.

>>33359
But can you see mom and pop business still existing lol


>>33340
Solution to ai is not developing ai, and that's no happening. People are being left without jobs, that IS happening and WILL happen, you can't compare this to acid rains, there are no regulations in place that can prevent this.
It's either UBI or slavery. And you know which it's gonna be.

>>33368
Sorry I meant not in place but even in theory lol.

>>33363
"Interesting because in Egypt the loss of memory has been so massive. Tons of people that used to remember scriptures by heart have completely forgotten them. If there really was a sudden uptick in papyrus prices (and it's very likely that there will be) it would be a very entertaining disaster."

>>33367
Yeah this is nothing but a business marketing scheme

https://daveshap.substack.com/p/youre-not-ready-for-how-ai-will-refactor

> "Under a fully automated economy, where robotic soldiers fight the wars and AI agents run the businesses, your body is a net negative to the economic system. The Nazis used an even darker term, which is more apt to what you will be in this system; useless eater."


> "…I have my own term for how most humans will be treated under a fully automated regime: redundant biomass.


The darkest possibility that some outline is a self-sealed system where the owners of capital, the elites, simply… ignore us. They secure every step of production, from mines and farms to luxury goods, with AI and robotic security, monitor the rest of us with automated surveillance, and simply wall us off. "

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>>33347
are you even serious with this wall of mindless conservatism masquerading as idealist metaphysics. you do not have anything figured out. you are an ignorant "apolitical" moron content with a ruling class that eats and rapes children daily and you malign the younger generation who choose to reject the alienation and wage-slavery of modern capitalism in favor of a life lived for their own sake, and not for the sake of a capitalist who wants us to make them rich while we get nothing in return. wake the fuck up, you drug-addled old faggot. imperialism is destroying the planet, children are being bombed, burned alive, and are being denied all opportunities to self-actualize, or even to have the comforts of a pet dog and you just think we should sit here and do nothing because it will all fix itself. you should fix yourself and jump off a bridge so we are spared from more of your drivel.

>>33359
Here's the truth Deepseek has revealed: AI is not that expensive, the idea that it's crazy expensive and you should get it now while you can because they're losing money on it is just a marketing ploy.

https://github.com/deepseek-ai/open-infra-index/blob/main/202502OpenSourceWeek/day_6_one_more_thing_deepseekV3R1_inference_system_overview.md

>>33400
It's a combination of marketing + people's coping. They have to come up with some scenario in which they could stay relevant. Perhaps they don't realize "I'm cheaper than AI" isn't a good scenario. Although perhaps better - at least then you're getting some pennies instead of absolute zero.

Just get a job in childcare and/or teaching, even if LLMs and AGIs get good enough to do that shit on a technical level most people will want a real human doing that kind of work regardless.

>>33333
Quints of truth, LLMs aren't that impressive if you use them for some shit your actually knowledgeable about

>>33398
Take your own advice, because learning to read would take too much time.

Ask me how I know you skimmed.

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>>33408
shut the fuck up already with your patronizing old man tone, saying bullshit like “ask me how i know” instead of just directly refuting my criticisms. i read your entire post, more than once, because of how stupid it was, and i read all the posts in that chain of replies too, and your entire point is just “do nothing”. retards like you always run to the defense of “i didnt say that” when directly confronted with what you just said, and you’re a hypocrite too because you’re insisting with this performative posturing instead of responding to critiques like what a person with a real point to make would do, and not this waffling coping mechanism wall of text.

>>33400
this is completely useless because it hides context size completely and context quantization. the reason why it's becoming more expensive is because the only bullish use case, programming, demands massive context windows and standard attention requires quadratic time with complexity growing in function of the window size, with quantization making models perform substantially worse in "agentic" use cases. the cheap use case is using these things like google, where I suspect deepseek is yielding profit. you can figure this out by just looking at the pricing tiers.

>>33413
Why would I respond to an idiot? Rich to accuse me of performative posturing when that's the entirety of your content.

>>33400
Why do you think tech companies are wasting huge amounts of money on Claude Code licenses instead of alternatives?


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