>I realize that some people really dislike AI, but this is an area where I'm willing to absolutely put my foot down as the top-level maintainer.
>Linux is not one of those anti-AI projects, and if somebody has issues with that, they can do the open-source thing and fork it.
>Or just walk away.
>AI is a tool, just like other tools we use. And it's clearly a useful one.
>It may not have been that "clearly" even just a year ago, but it's no longer in question today.
>There are other questions around AI (like what the economy of it will actually look like in the end), but "is it useful" is no longer one of those questions. Anybody who doubts that clearly hasn't actually used it.
>Yes, it can also be a somewhat painful tool, both for maintainer workloads and just from a "it keeps finding embarrassing bugs" standpoint.
>But the solution is not to put your head in the sand and sing "La La La, I can't hear you" at the top of your voice like some people seem to do.
>The solution is to make sure those LLM tools _help_ maintainers instead of just causing them pain. There's no question on that side.
>We're not forcing anybody to use it, but I will very loudly ignore people who try to argue against other people from using it.
>And no, AI isn't perfect. But Christ, anybody who points to the problems at AI had better be looking in the mirror and pointing at themselves at the same time.
>Because it's not like natural intelligence is always all that great either.
>The kernel project has been and will continue to be about the technology.
>Sure, the social angle of working on open source is important and often a very motivating part of the project, but in the end that's a side benefit, not the _point_ of the project.
>This is *NOT* some kind of "social warrior" project, never has been, and never will be.
>In the kernel community we do open source because it results in better technology, not because of religious reasons.
>And so we make decisions primarily based on technical merit. Not fear of new tools.
>Linus
>>33739it sucks that the two most prominent spokespeople for free software have to be a gross foot fungus eating pederast and a greedy soulless corporate bootlicker, basically the worst expressions of out-of-touch privileged white male mentality.
*BSD chads we just can't stop winning
>>33746the exploit didnt even give shell access and was tagged as minor
>Yes, it can also be a somewhat painful tool, both for maintainer workloads and just from a "it keeps finding embarrassing bugs" standpoint (…) We're not forcing anybody to use it, but I will very loudly ignore people who try to argue against other people from using it.
So, OP, when you titled this "linus torvalds pro-AI meltdown", you meant to say: "Torvalds seems moderately positive about AI now and I'm having a meltdown."
we're halfway into 2026 and leftypol still cant clock a radlib
it's not that complicated
>>33752having to deal with afab HR types on a powertrip does that to you. open-sores has genuinely become infested with this type of vibe policing.
Everything he said there is correct
>>33751he is very clearly being defensive here and responding to overwhelming criticism of a very bad and unpopular decision by saying "i'm the project leader and i'll do whatever i want" like a manchild tyrant. and he's completely reversed himself on everything he used to say about llms, originally he decreed that llm slop would never be allowed into the linux kernel and now he's suddenly going all-in on llms to the point of requiring all kernel contributions to be run through google's sashiko ai so even human-written code will be mutated into slop before being added to the kernel. he also originally denounced llms as "not intelligent" and now he's saying "it's not like natural intelligence is always all that great either" so i guess now he does think chatbots are comparable to human intelligence.
you can tell someone is guilty and being defensive when they use several different contradictory defenses for their position. his first defense is "it's my kernel and i'll do whatever i want and if you don't like it you can leave" and then he switches to "ai is a useful tool and therefore everyone must use it" and then he switches to "we're not forcing anyone to use it" and then he switches to "this isn't a social warrior project we only care about technology here" and strawmanning the criticisms as being ideologically motivated, even though they obviously are not and the concerns people have about ai being shoved into the linux kernel are very reasonable and pragmatic concerns, i.e. not wanting to pollute a very important volunteer-driven codebase that powers billions of devices with machine-generated slop that nobody understands. he's just flailing about like a typical dishonest shitty person who has been called out for being a liar. and it's not the first time he's behaved this way, he's always been prone to throwing narcissistic tantrums in response to criticism and he even admitted to it and apologized for it in the past, but now he's doing it again.
i think what's really going on here is linus torvalds and the linux foundation are not good businesspeople and don't understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch, they essentially made a deal with the devil by taking lots of money from google and other big tech giants and naively believed that these companies would never be evil and would never hold that money over their heads and demand anything in return for it. the linux foundation stupidly scaled up their expenses to a very narrow margin of their revenues which primarily come from these big tech donors like google and they didn't give themselves any breathing room at all, so now they are in a precarious position and if they ever lose these big corporate donors they will be in very serious trouble. thus, google and other big tech firms have a tremendous amount of leverage over the linux foundation and if they tell linus torvalds to do something, like hand over the linux kernel to google and let them turn it into their own personal testbed and billboard for advertising their ai technology to investors, then he has to do it or else they could turn off the money faucet and the linux foundation will be millions of dollars in the red. i get the sense that he doesn't actually believe all the stuff he is now saying about ai because it's so bizarre that he would reverse himself so completely and suddenly on basically everything he's ever said about this stuff in the recent past, it seems like google's got him under their thumb.
>>33758>i think what's really going on here is linus torvalds and the linux foundation are not good businesspeople and don't understand that there is no such thing as a free lunchI think you're being a bit naive with the analysis they were somehow tricked, it seems most likely that they have their snouts in the trough
>>33759it's not much of a trough, what the linux foundation rakes in is micropennies on the dollar compared to what the big tech firms make off of linux. if these people wanted to put their snouts in the trough they could make a hell of a lot more money working for google or microsoft or starting their own tech startup ponzi schemes as many people in the FOSS world have done, instead of running a 501c.
i think they were doing this with the best of intentions and the big tech firms gradually ingratiated themselves with generous donations and promises of mutual benefit and assurance that they would be partners working together as equals to improve technology for everyone and that linux would remain a free and independent project and everything would be sunshine and rainbows, the typical sleazy manipulation tactics that are standard in the corporate world.
it's basically like the old story of when the popular underground rock band gets approached by the major record label, they send some young cool guy with a pony tail to talk to the band and make them think that it's not a big corporate thing and he's just a regular dude like they are and it's going to be totally cool and the band will get to do their thing and have complete creative control, then they sign the contract and next thing they know their music has been turned into a soulless corporate product with cheesy synthesizers and def leppard reverb snares all over it.
>>33758>Project supportWhat does that even mean?
The main thing about AI that normies don't understand is that it actually works
>>33758>requiring all kernel contributions to be run through google's sashiko aiooooh so that's where he's coming from when he tells people he's angry about people bitching about AI because "99% of code comes from compilers actually". these people may be smart but they're incredibly shit liars, to the point where you can trace a talking point all the way back to the specific google product it's supposed to defend lol. what an embarrassing position for linus to be in, willingly saying shit he knows for a fact are stupid as fuck just because google's PR department deems it so.
>>33762copying and pasting random bits of code from stackoverflow also works, but any reasonable person would tell you that this isn't a reasonable method of developing software. this is essentially what this so-called "ai" does, just copies and pastes other people's code scraped from the web and presents it as its own original intelligent output by generating an articulate written summary (also composed of scraped search data) to trick you into thinking it actually understands the code and knows what it is talking about.
it's all just an extremely expensive resource-wasting smoke and mirrors parlor trick and treating it as if it is genuinely intelligent and relying on it is insanity, plain and simple. big tech companies have become quasireligious techno-cults selling insanity to the public as a commercial product, they might as well be the church of scientology selling people e-meters to check their thetan levels. the fact that this nonsense is actually causing people to experience cognitive decline and even clinical psychosis in some cases only further demonstrates how insane it really is.
the "it actually works!" argument is beyond retarded. asbestos actually prevented buildings from burning down, adding lead to gasoline actually prevented engine knocking, thalidomide actually cured morning sickness in pregnant women, that doesn't mean these things were good ideas.
Looks like is time to go full Terry Davis and make my own OS from scratch. (I barely know how to do a bash script)
The far-seeing Hyperbola project has ended up at the avant-garde as the ecosystem indeed is collapsing in on itself, as they predicted, some years back. Very impressive.
https://www.hyperbola.info/>>33768computers already surpassed humans at solving mathematical problems a long time ago in the era of vacuum tubes and ENIAC. that's actually what we invented them for to begin with. got anything else?
>>33769>computers already surpassed humans at solving mathematical problems a long time ago in the era of vacuum tubes and ENIACI appreciate you showing non-tarded antis the company they keep
>>33770>antisAre we talking about shipping suddenly?
>>33738Absolutely based. Luddites need to be raped and killed by AI.
>>33772You're raped and soon killed by Musk
Is Torvalds even using the open source chinese AI models?
this is a nothingburger
>>33777Shut the fuck up yankee retard, go die at a McDonald's.
>>33776I don't know what Torvalds uses but Greg KH at least is running local models
>>33758> now he's suddenly going all-in on llms to the point of requiring all kernel contributions to be run through google's sashiko ai so even human-written code will be mutated into slop before being added to the kernelOh FUCK no.
What a disaster.
Genuinely you could make a good argument for sending every AI-adjacent CEO to prison, they are destroying everything.
>>33762>works*runs (sometimes)
Those are two very different things.
>>33777No, you don't get it, Linux is dying and 2026 will be the year of HURD on the desktop.
>33784
>Shit literally nobody said
>Linux Is (Finally) Dying>A 34yo Junior Software Developer explains why more and more AI-assisted PRs to the Linux kernel may put the future of the project in jeopardy.I pretty much completely agree with what he brought up and I dont see how we as communists will be able to trust or rely on linux in the coming years for anything other than lets say home theatre pcs or gaming boxes. Linus and the kernel team have basically decided to Microsoft-ify linux.
As a commenter said "Casey Muratori's 30 Million Line Problem was not supposed to be an instruction manual".
https://youtu.be/dgkrxpy0nhE >>33792Why is he still a junior developer at such an advanced age?
>>33793he may have shifted careers late into his life, i'm like a junior post-sales exec at 35 because i shifted careers from software dev
honestly, when people these days go on about linux "dying" and not being a community free software project anymore, all i can think is "where the hell have you been for the past 25+ years?" that ship sailed a long fucking time ago, linux is not a community free software project anymore, almost all of the developers who work on linux now are employees of red hat and other big tech companies.
just before going public in 1999, red hat set aside 800,000 shares of stock to offer to hundreds of volunteer contributors in the linux community as a highly publicized "token of gratitude" but in reality most of the contributors never got to actually to buy these shares, many of them understandably mistook the offer for a scam email, most of the people who did follow up on it were boxed out by a minimum net worth requirement, minimum buy-in of 100 shares, denied by financial assessments, people who could buy shares bought them and then were later told by e-trade that the price had increased and they had to send more money to keep their shares, international buyers were told that they couldn't finalize the purchase online and would have to do it in person at e-trade's headquarters in palo alto (lol), and basically every other kind of bullshit that they could get away with to exclude all of the smaller less-wealthy investors that they didn't actually care about, i.e. almost all of them. on top of this, red hat gifted certain notable public figures in the linux community significant quantites of stock options free of charge, most notable linus torvalds who would become a multimillionaire overnight when red hat went public and their stock tripled and netted $3.5 billion in a single day of trading.
the whole thing was just a blatant instance of market manipulation and misleading investors, splashing out cash to certain notable people and key investors to give the impression that red hat linux was going to be the next big thing, the open-source operating system of the future that would dethrone microsoft and replace windows on every PC and change the world forever. this was all happening just a couple of years before the dotcom bubble burst in 2001, riding the crest of this huge wave of financial speculation that every tech company in the world and every bank and every investment firm wanted to get in on, and linux became irrecovably tied in with that, thanks to red hat and sellouts like linus torvalds who publicly accepted these bribes and got monstrously rich off of them and allowed linux to be perverted into a soulless sleazy corporate product.
and this was only the beginning, later would come google and android and linus torvalds denouncing the GPL3 and keeping linux under the older GPL2 license that did not account for hardware/cryptography-based vendor lock-in, thus creating the massive android smart device ecosystem that eventually became even bigger than apple, a multi-trillion dollar industry based on selling devices that run an open-source yet effectively proprietary linux os with various increasingly sophisticated systems in place to prevent users from rooting/jailbreaking or installing modified versions of linux on the devices, linus torvalds would go from being a decamillionaire to a centimillionaire with google and various smartphone companies now lining his pockets with more "tokens of gratitude".
and now we have the ai investment bubble which is bigger and dumber and sleazier and slimier and potentially more disastrous than anything that came before it, selling something that is literally snake oil from top to bottom, not an overhyped albeit functional enterprise operating system like red hat linux, not an overhyped apple-esque drm-infested albeit functional mobile device ecosystem like android, but a phony unconvincing counterfeit of science fiction fantasy-technology, a product that is not only useless but worse than useless, something that solves no problems whatsoever and only exists to mislead the public into wasting tremendous amounts of money and resources and hollowing out every kind of industry and infrastructure and filling it with shoddy digital particleboard that will eventually break down and destroy everything. and now linux has the honor of being part of that too.
>>33741>free software have to be a gross foot fungus eating pederast and a greedy soulless corporate bootlicker, basically the worst expressions of out-of-touch privileged white male mentality.>>33752>wokeThe California Ideology is just the leftoid hippie version of the Epstein/Thiel ideology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Californian_Ideology>>33762>it actually worksThat's what Todd Howards said about his Bethesda slop video games
>>33800>The California Ideology is just the leftoid hippie version of the Epstein/Thiel ideologythe thing to understand about fascism in all its many various shapes and forms is that it's not really an ideology. this is what people like marx and stallman failed to understand, that it's not ideology that they are battling with here, it's not based in reason, it is simply mental illness, it is a biological manufacturing defect in the human brain that makes people believe that they can become god, and it's not something you can discredit and prevail against through a countermanding ideology. that's why the silicon valley mutants were able to flip flop so easily from what seemed to be one ideology to a completely different ideology, i.e. from playing the benevolent paternalistic liberal god to playing the malevolent arrogant neoreactionary god. because it was never really an ideology, it was just a god complex.
>That's what Todd Howards said about his Bethesda slop video gamesit's what that guy who claimed to invented a water-powered car would say, he'd point to his dune buggy with the temporarily-running engine and say "look, it works!" and sort of gloss over the part about how long the engine could continue running and how the electrolysis machine could turn the water into hydrogen and refill the hydrogen tank faster than the engine consumed it.
the LLM works some of the time, sure. just like a broken clock works some of the time.
>>33801>it is a biological manufacturing defect in the human brain that makes people believe that they can become godstuff like fascism or nationalism does not exist in pre-literate societies. it's not some drive or an innate impulse, it's as abstract as it gets, as purely an ideological concept as you can muster. people who cannot read and thus be capable of high abstraction cannot even conceive of these concepts
>>33802written language isn't any more of an abstraction than spoken language is and everything humans do is driven by innate impulse, including developing writing systems.
>>33804>written language isn't any more of an abstraction than spoken languagewrong. read walter ong.
>>33806i don't think the transition from oral-only language to oral+written language abstracted human thought away from reality. everything that happens in the brain is an abstraction from reality, even perceptual information like vision and hearing are just simulations generated by the brain in response to outside stimuli, not direct windows to reality. i think what the development of writing systems did was add a certain degree of permanence and continuity to human thought, but it's not like formalized writing systems were the first permanent recordings, humans were building monuments and stone carvings and idols and effigies and all kinds of other symbolic artifacts long before they developed writing systems or even complex spoken language.
and in any case, i don't think that the correlation of the development of things like writing systems or agriculture or domestication of animals and the rise of empires and authoritarianism implies a causation, i don't think the technology compelled human civilizations to start behaving this way, it just merely allowed it. the impulse was already there from the very beginning, the greed and the megalomania and the self-centeredness and the delusional narcissistic thinking, it exists inside all people to some degree or another and always has and probably always will. the problem isn't technological, it is psychological.
>>33738Zero lies detected, and I'm someone who's generally worried/skeptical about AI's impact on the economy, the tech industry and the arts. But that's all a matter of use and not inherent in the technology itself. You don't have to be hysterical about everything.
>>33752This site being filled now with the kind of people who will sincerely call you a fascist based on simple two-word terminology is why it's quickly becoming unusable by anyone who isn't an idiot.
>>33758>"i'm the project leader and i'll do whatever i want"This has always been his position and it's a good one. Not everybody needs a voice in everything; that has never been the point of open source. The rest of your post is just falsehoods and illiteracy and not worth responding to point by point, but here's two examples:
>he also originally denounced llms as "not intelligent" and now he's saying "it's not like natural intelligence is always all that great either" so i guess now he does think chatbots are comparable to human intelligence.These are obviously not contradictory positions. Something can be comparable to human intelligence and not be intelligent.
>therefore everyone must use itHe does not say or imply this anywhere. And no, running code through an AI review tool is not forcing a dev to use it, no more than a standard PR review is forcing a dev to pair program.
>>33762Yes, although it needs to be understood that "it works" basically means "it saves programmers time".
>>33738>This is *NOT* some kind of "social warrior" project, never has been, and never will be.root of the problem tbh, guy is just following the money
>>33811these are some excellent points, you've changed my mind and have won, good work
>>33813I had already won before I walked into this thread by virtue of not being a mental invalid who gets his dull-headed understanding of the world from Substack leftslop writers, but your inability to respond with anything but whiny sarcasm has strengthened my victory, it is true.
>>33762>The main thing about AI that normies don't understand is that it actually worksDon't travel by flight tomorrow (my streamlined AI team sent the update)
or next weekor next decadewho cares I go golfing with Trump and was an angel investor in Sillicon Valley's new nuclear-powered AI data centers, what are you gonna do about it? My lawyers will bury your widow and your entire extended family. >>33806>>33810Wasn't writing preceded by the state need for transaction record?
The Inca indicate it's possible without it, using mnemonic technique.
The Maya, and Aztec indicate that there's no real relation to animals.
All this validates your point that there's no causation between these things.
There seems to have been great heterogeneity before the state.
But that the children are born good, we need only hold this constant.
Our felling of the forest of this goodness is what distinguishes us.
The idea that thought was originally mnemonic is compelling.
We can't speak. We can't listen.
Was reminded of the set phrases of Polya.
Wonder how much abstraction is just education rather than writing.
Social conditioning to a certain type of thought.
Recently read that reason is a sort of totalitarianism.
A set "total" in which all acceptable thoughts must follow.
The alternative here is in someways less and in someways more.
The stories are fluid, but the formulae are rigid.
(Only a third through Ong, to be continued…)
>>33835>Was reminded of the set phrases of Polya."With no memory, how can we call this home."
"The key is a direction."
"To think we're far too full."
Could we be empty of distraction, and full of the poetics of thought?
He's not wrong. It's just stupid to not use every tool available to achieve a goal, and you cannot realistically enforce a prohibition on the use of ai either.
People losing their mind over AI are just scared programmers are getting less important, and they are right to be scared, and everyone should be scared. But wasting your time writing code by hand won't stop AI.
>>33846this isn't even about contributors submitting LLM generated code, it's about setting a precedent where LLM code review becomes standard and now anytime someone submits code, whether they choose to use an LLM or not, the feedback they get on their code will be from an LLM. human nerds with poor social skills reviewing one another's code is a tricky enough situation, with heated arguments about what is and isn't good code and people who aren't good at giving or receiving criticism and people who are just straight up insane; imagine what it will be like when contributors get their code rejected or criticized by people purely on the grounds that they ran it through sashiko and sashiko didn't like it, when contributors spend hours and hours writing original code and submit it and it immediately gets rewritten beyond all recognition per sashiko's recommendation, the arguments over whether or not sashiko is hallucinating or not or whether the person reviewing it with sashiko actually read the code or not or whether the goal is to develop the linux kernel or to please the google robot overlord. of course linus torvalds can't see the problem with this, him himself being a socially inept obnoxious dweeb who has no idea how to communicate with other human beings.
>This is *NOT* some kind of "social warrior" project, never has been, and never will be.
Well that's kind of true and not true at the same time. He banned Russian contributors basically for compliance with US law, but rather than owning up to the fact that the US government ultimately calls the shots with this "FOSS" project, he decided it was a better look to claim receiving free labour from Russian programmers is "supporting Russian aggression".
A preposterous assertion, made worse by the implication that not banning Israeli contributors *IS* supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
The guy is just a mouthy prick tbh, although he doesn't avoid admitting to the fact.
>>33867>basically for compliance with US lawit wasn't for that. US economic sanctions don't forbid international developers from contributing to open-source software projects, there's never been an instance of that happening. linus torvalds is just a nationalist bigot who doesn't like russians. this is a very common sentiment in finland, finland has a lot of immigrants from russia and the finns hate them even more than people in the us hate immigrants from latin america.
>>33868I mean no one twisted their arm into allying themselves with the Nazis. Pointing at the Winter War and saying “oh I KNEW they were going to do that!” doesn’t cut it as a retroactive excuse.
>>33797Mach has been an outdated research design since the 90s, even moreso when there is close to thirty additional years of academic and industry experience behind us. The only reason Apple keeps their implementation around is, that they're intent on holding onto XNU, and the fact it's mostly used to emulate Unix doesn't put much stress on the slow IPC. Linux has for the time being absolved the GNU project of the need to ship it's own kernel, so HURD has been allowed to limp along the same dogged development path, that lead to its irrelevance in the first place.
The GNU model has often been described as cathedral-like, yet even their best software tends to be somewhat overengineered. In practice the fast-moving "bazaar" software in use by Linux today is usually propped up by Redhat employees or software engineers employed by other companies with a stake in the ecosystem. If the absolute state of modern GCC is any indication, then too many GNU projects move at a pace that's simply not conducive to high-quality software with their current pool of developers.
This state of things feels extremely frustrating, when it has already been shown there is another way, from enduring if mismanaged corporate products like Solaris or QNX, over the BSDs and other venerable communities, to smaller software projects carefully cultivated by lone developers. Many of these have almost passed into the realm of public infrastructure (recall Minix3 use in IME), precisely because they are reliable and don't require a near-constant stream of development to keep functioning.
The scope of the GNU project in combination with its license has always seen itself as the real movement, that would enable access by the public to high-quality software and ideologically it is still the closest to this in the current software ecosystem. However the last few decades force us to soberly regard it as a net failure. Few notable GNU projects are currently on par with the corporate-driven project landscape, permissively-licensed or not. Projects like the almquist shell, busybox, libarchive or libedit, which were started by individual developers, have routinely shown even their most reliable and widely-used code to be comparatively subpar in execution. Unfortunately i can't help but conclude, that up to now both small-scale, "artisinal" software development and the limited cooperation within existing capitalist relations have proven themselves preferable to the large volunteer organization model the GNU project represents.
>>33898>Many of these have almost passed into the realm of public infrastructure (recall Minix3 use in IME), precisely because they are reliable and don't require a near-constant stream of development to keep functioning.*because they have a cuck license
ftfy
>>33899Counterpoint: Microsoft's source offerings are permissively licensed, yet no sane developer would rely on them, since they usually remain tied to their internal development and are generally horrible to work with.
intellectual property was always a stupid authoritarian idea and free software proponents embracing copyleft was always an embarrassing display of cognitive dissonance on their part, a tremendous waste of valuable time and resources that could have been better spent producing more free software instead of appropriating the litigious tendencies of private corporations. the gpl didn't really protect free software, and if anything it just motivated the corporations to ruin it even harder. with freebsd and other permissively-licensed and effectively public domain codebases, corporations like apple could simply copy from the commons and go on their merry way, and copyleft proponents decried this as a very terrible thing. but freebsd is still freebsd, still going strong to this day, completely unaffected by apple appropriating its code. with linux under the gpl, corporations could not just copy the code and move on, they had to infiltrate the project and appropriate it from within. fast forward to today and linux is just a corporate product controlled by a few huge tech companies.
the whole concept of copyleft is based on a very naive white western liberal bourgeois conception of the world, where the system is fundamentally fair and just and things are bad because of a few greedy bad guys and not enough principled good guys to oppose them by invoking the rule of law. there is no rule of law, there are no bad guys, there are no good guys, and the system is fundamentally rigged in favor of the wealthy and powerful. people in power are going to do whatever they want and take whatever they want and no one can stop them, they exist on an entirely different plane where our rules and regulations do not apply to them. that's the way it is, the way it's always been, the way it always will be, that is the nature of power, that is the reason why people seek and accumulate power, so that they can become godlike and unaccountable to any terrestrial order.
free software proponents should focus on the one thing that they do have going for them, the one advantage that they have over the wealthy and powerful corporations, which is the fact that information is immaterial and thereby exempt from the laws of physics. information can be copied and distributed infinitely at no cost, information cannot be owned or bought or sold or stolen. private monopolies pretend like information is physical property and stake their fortunes in this delusion, and it becomes their singular greatest weakness, they have to defend their intellectual propery at all costs with copyright laws and proprietary formats and non-disclosure agreements and digital rights management, lest their information monopoly be undermined and destroyed. but if you reject the idea of intellectual property entirely, if you understand information as inherently free and ungovernable like air, then you have nothing to hide from the world and you have nothing that can be stolen from you.
since private monopolies can be hurt by others taking their ideas, and public domain free software projects are completely unhurt by others taking their ideas, logically the thing for the free software movement to do is to play the part of the digital outlaw, direct all efforts into copying and reverse-engineering and re-implementing proprietary software by any means necessary, legal or otherwise, and releasing it into the public domain. thinking that you can be an activist against an unjust system without breaking the rules of said unjust system just makes you a liberal moron. free software advocates should be pirating and cracking and reverse-engineering everything, infiltrating tech companies as moles and leaking source code and trade secrets, openly and brazenly rejecting intellectual property law and publishing it all on the web anonymously for no money or credit or any other outside rewards, only personal glory and clout among one's peers in the criminal underground. they should be thinking of this as a war, because it is. big tech firms are not really companies anymore, they're multitrillion-dollar empires blowing up cities in the middle east and bankrolling fascist regimes, this is a war.
>>33904that lack of corporate funding is the reason why there's no LLM slop being shoved into freebsd or any of the other bsds, it's the reason why they are able to take a stand and publicly reject this crap. linux can't do that, there is a price to pay for all that corporate support. and it's not just all corporate funding they depend on either, it's also the proprietary code. see nvidia, the most wealthy company in the world right now and the top beneficiary of the AI hype bubble.
>>33909>reverse engineering windows is exactly the same to the state as downloading mp3s on limewireno
>>33752that's just pr, like companies, it goes with the wind. woke doesn't change the material conditions, if you live in a fascist state, with woke you now have the same fascist state + pronouns. in the case of companies, and in the case of linus as a person, he adopted the liberal position when it was appropriate, but the structure of the linux foundation never changed; now that we are in the times of more conspicuous capitalism (or fascism, whatever you want to call it) he can talk in a more open way that actually matches how things work: clients first, then him, then his underlings, then the casual contributors and users
as a side note, the number of loc in the linux kernel has skyrocketed in the last ~15 years, most of them written by companies (he doesn't really write code anymore)
I don't understand why people act as if this was some sort of big disappointment, he has always hated stallman (a libertarian) for being too progressive for his taste, even though stallman and the gpl is the only reason why linux is a thing. when someone is so obtuse about their politics, so abusive towards those below them, and so obsequious towards those above them… you would have to be a retard like
>>>/tech/33811 to not immediately identify them as fascists
>>33760>linux foundation??? are you stupid?
you don't think linus has millions in tech stocks (and therefore in the ai bubble)
besides, linus has worked for a bunch of those companies, you think the foundation is his only employer?
and even if it was, the scheme is that companies pay him to steer the project in their direction, the symbolic middleman that is the foundation doesn't change the fundamentals
>>33857>human nerds with poor social skillsthis has to be one of the worst memes ever pushed by the bourgeois media. there is no such people, social skills are fake, if someone is being an asshole to you, they're being an asshole because they want, it isn't "poor social skills". I still don't understand why people uncritically accept all the therapy speak nonsense
>>>/tech/33898>no technical arguments>only llm drivel, analogies and metaphorsthis site sucks
>>33913>no counter argumentssocial skills are fake; I'm calling you a retard on purpose because you're arguing in bad faith
>>33912You want technical arguments? Today i've been reading the code of NetBSD libedit, to patch context-sensitive tab completion into a piece software, that uses the histedit.h interface. I couldn't imagine doing the same with readline, because GNU code is usually several magnitudes larger in scope and incidentally incomprehensible to me most of the time. The manpage says it all:
>BUGS>It’s too big and too slow.And if you've ever had the pleasure of bootstrapping the GNU toolchain, you should know this complexity will occasionally pounce on the user with a vengeance. I'm not saying writing a high-performance optimizing compiler like GCC is easy, but if i had the choice, i wouldn't want my system to be compiled by something that gets a new release with a guaranteed slew of regressions every few months. There's got to be a better way!
If you were talking about Mach instead, its poor performance is an old hat, that is even stated in its wikipedia article. I remember reading a two-parter about Mach and XNU, but can't find it at the moment.
so this is what tor posters are allowed for, wasting time with ai-generated nonsense?
What i wrote was quite simple. Is this your cover for not having reading comprehension?
My patch is calling into the internal symbol fn_complete2(), because _el_fn_complete() exported by histedit.h doesn't allow the completion entry function to be changed. If you get the source yourself from
https://www.thrysoee.dk/editline you will find the relevant code in filecomplete.c.
>>33857We use LLMs for code review at my workplace. It's just an initial pass that complements human review, and you are free to ignore it because DevOps guys aren't that stupid and realize that LLM reviews will spit out a lot of dumb shit. I highly doubt Linus Torvalds will implement a worse version of this perfectly alright system. The worst you can say about it is that it's a waste of money, which isn't our problem.
Again, all of this is hysterics from people who do not actually understand LLMs or how they're used, and think this is fine because I guess if something is bad you don't have to understand it (???), and which distracts from (and gives ammunition to) the actual concerning abuses of it like the irrational exuberance that is slowly swallowing the entire economy.
>>33912>I don't understand why people act as if this was some sort of big disappointment, he has always hated stallman (a libertarian) for being too progressive for his taste, even though stallman and the gpl is the only reason why linux is a thing. when someone is so obtuse about their politics, so abusive towards those below them, and so obsequious towards those above them… you would have to be a retard like >>>/tech/33811 to not immediately identify them as fascistsSo literally "fascism is when someone is an annoying dick" lmao, the absolute state of the online left.
>>33949
>DevOps guys aren't that stupidlol oh boy. you must be very new to this career field.
>>33955Know any stories about teams where devs are forced to address every bit of AI review? Even in the most anti-AI dev places I know I've never heard anything like this.
>>33949>fascism is when someone is an annoying dickyes, and more specifically, the conditions that allow that person to do those things with impunity. in a world with strong institutions, for example, linus would've long ago been replaced by an institution, much like the average private sector petty tyrant
and more seriously, you conveniently missed the most important part:
>obsequious towards those above thembecause fascist, and linus personally, only ever punch down, never up, that's what distinguishes it from common anti-social behavior
>>33846>But wasting your time writing code by hand won't stop AI.I don't see why people see writing code as wasting time, unless you never liked programming in the first place. I've never ever thought of writing music as a waste of time, because I enjoy the whole process, even if it gets frustrating at times. But it's what makes it worthwhile. Same with programming. I really don't get this hype for making a bot do everything for you unless you hated doing it.
>>33981its because most programmers aren't really programmers who enjoy programming or even understand programming, most of them are just yuppies looking for a cushy white collar gig
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