Watching the latest NY shooter video got me thinking, how if at all possible could one survive a mass shooting? The first lady after he got out was doomed. The others seemed to be stuck with normalcy bias for a few seconds.
Is it better to run or to play dead, take cover?
Is normalcy bias bad, better to make a fool out of yourself overreacting to a nothingburger than to stand there in an actual shooting
Should one always walk behind some kind of cover in burgerstan? Seems like it is so common might as well
Daily body armor? Concealed carry without a permit?
Physical fitness is key, you should 100% be able to sprint fucking fast
>>1852>with a handgunget a rifle then, most handguns bounce from a plate, you wanna run that risk in an firefight ?, no, then get a rifle, an scope, train with it, mantain it, go live your life, if you hear an mass shooter shoot him while they are doing their no-breed chimpout from an safe distance, get an drop on them while they are distracted.
>>1852>Since we cant open carry in my state a handgun would just get you killed against that.Can always get a "better" pistol, like an FN Five-Seven or if you can't afford something so fancy something in 7.62 Tokarev. I imagine some revolvers are good for it too if you want to go Dirty Harold on them but I don't know much about those, and the disadvantages are obvious.
The security guard hit the polcel in his armor, these guns would have put a bullet through it. If there's anything a security guard with a gun should do it's get one of these instead of his Glock.
Another tip is to avoid the trigger happy and nervous cops showing up and blasting you, if you kill a shooter, don't do a securing the area LARP, holster your gun and GTFO.
>>1862if an guy is armed, rifle or not, it's best to get out of his field of vision, like fast, do the maximum amount of turns from you and the shooter to make them loose you.
but what i'm seeing is that these shootings need to have an counter ballance, might as well make "comunity services" with some guys around armed with rifles waiting some retard do a shooting sphere to go in and kill and desecrate his corpse to send a messange for the next ones, cuz if no one do that in the US the the mass shootings will grow into an singularity.
>>1867there is an reason no one in history liked to be ambushed anon, shooters use the element of surprise to shoot first.
that is why i say its easier to make a squad to hunt the shooter at moment notice.
Don't fall for the normalcy bias meme, if you see a guy decked in body armor and carrying a weapon, don't assume he's a cosplayer or larper, especially if the potential shooter seems anxious or excited.
Most shootings happen in schools or commercial buildings, and I hate going shopping so personally I've got that covered at least.
Almost all of them are "lone wolves" so you don't have to worry that there might be a second shooter working with them, so focus on getting away as soon as possible. This also helps if you want to build a squad (>>1869).
Most of them also last 3-5 minutes so whatever you're going to do you're going to need to do it fast.
Only 4% of the time will an active shooter get stopped by cops or an armed civilian. The rest of the time they leave, surrender or kill themselves.
So basically you should hope you aren't one of the first people shot, get as far away from the shooter as possible and then hide and take cover by putting as many obstructions as possible. Fighting should be a last resort and there's a high chance cops or even other civilians will mistake you for the active shooter.
>A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf/view>>1863The round does the vast majority of the lifting, although barrel length does affect muzzle velocity, and to some extent so does the mechanism but most pistols are straight blowback. There are graphs with the optimum barrel length around the internet you can find easily and you'll be surprised at some stuff that's suboptimal like the FGC-9. Pistols have a suboptimal barrel length in order to keep them compact so you can always squeeze a little bit more out with more length on the barrel, although check the legality with that stuff if you do mess with it.
I don't know much about armor but I know that these two rounds (7.62 and 5.7) are the exception to the rule for armor rated for pistol rounds. I've seen people say that the reason the Tokarev does so well is because the Russians loved steel core ammunition, and Russian ammo will probably not be coming to America soon so make sure you're careful selecting your ammo. Also these calibres may not be meant to fuck with plates, but you'll have a better chance defeating those plates with something that can defeat lesser armor.
tl;dr: It's pretty much all about the ammo, pick a gun based on the right calibre and make sure to buy quality ammunition
>>1874hunt him down not suck him off.
you want them dead in a way the next ones will be feel castrated from even trying, unloading one in their face and exposing would do the trick.
>>1870>fighting last resortYeah, might even be fucked if you have a gun.
Chances are they will be wearing body armor so it’s head shot or nothing.
>>1902they are just coping
they have no alternative to fall back on if their belief in the system fails them
>>1870good info anon. Yes the normalcy bias is a fucking killer, they happen so fast there's really no time to assess or stand there
>So basically you should hope you aren't one of the first people shot, get as far away from the shooter as possible and then hide and take cover by putting as many obstructions as possible. I think a good general rule is if you cant see them they cant see you. The only thing is movies make you think bullets are instantly stopped by walls and shit, but they punch right through in real life. You'd need a lot of stuff between you to be safe. But also the dark knight theater shooting, the few people that made it out alive ran right past the attacker when his gun jammed.
>>1914>>1920You could always shoot the dick if the armor doesn't cover the groin.
No amount of adrenaline can distract from the devastating psychological damage a ruined pp can do to insecure male.
>>1919Carry one gun. You won't be able to use 2 at the same time. Idk if it's even possible for a civilian to get a license to carry a full auto weapon on their person. If you could then I would suggest a short barreled ar-15 pattern rifle or perhaps even an aks74u or similar gun could be ideal. Both have access to good armour piercing ammunition. You are gonna wanna stick a good can on it so you don't go deaf immediately firing full auto indoors with presumably no ear protection. Subsonics could be even better if they penetrate the body armour and expand or fragment properly at the speeds they are reaching. So maybe something like .300 blackout or hand loaded subsonic 7.62x39. Another concern is overpenetration of barriers. You don't want to kill random bystanders so whatever round you use should also be able to fragment into a safer projectile after hitting a barrier. If you really need your weapon to be light and compact for carrying around on your person for qcb only, and you want more than a pistol, then go for a personal defense weapon. Something like a mp7 or vepyr or the iconic Škorpion vz. 61 machine pistol. However you should be able to penetrate the body armour an active shooter may have. I am not sure what kind of armour most mass shooters used recently. I have heard plates a few times and they are quite common in America now, so most likely these would be level 3 or 3+ plates which would be rated to stop a few rounds of a specific load for 5.56x45 NATO. This armour would pose a difficulty for many small caliber smgs or pdws. However I would imagine if you can get the drop on him then you could incapicitate and kill him with a burst of decently aimed fire even if his torso was shielded sufficiently by his armour. If you have a bit more room like a backpack and this is assuming you are expecting an active shooter for whatever reason, like due to america, then you could bring a short barreled automatic rifle chambered with armour piercing 5.56x45 or 5.45x39 ammunition that you know will fragment disintegrate safely after colliding with obstacles.
>>1920Depends where it hits and what round. A single round could blow his leg or arm right off or just poke a nasty little hole in him that leads to light haemorraging at worst.
>>1911From the 2011 Norway attacks:
>Forty-seven of the campers sought refuge in Skolestua ("the School House") together with personnel from the Norwegian People's Aid. Although Breivik fired two bullets through the door, he did not get through the locked door, and the people inside this building survived.>>1922>You are gonna wanna stick a good can on it so you don't go deaf immediately firing full auto indoors with presumably no ear protection.This matter doesn't get discussed often. Tinnitus is a fucking bitch.
>>1921>vid related>>1888This
>>18637.62x25 and 5.7mm both can pierce soft body armor, up to level 3A, but not plates
>>1962Unless you're in a Jackie Chan movie, that's probably a horrible idea. If it's light enough that you can run with it (and probably in an awkward position since you need it between you and the shooter, whom you'll be running
from) and large enough to cover a significant portion of your body, it's most likely too weak to stop a bullet.
The one possible exception I can think of would be to pre-scan your workplace for items like this if you work in some sort of industrial setting.
still an interesting thought Fucking hell, there's been a school shooting in Texas
https://abc7.com/uvalde-texas-robb-elementary-school-active-shooter-district-lockdown/11889693/Is it worth talking about what children could do?
>>1854also being a manlet helps in that your hitbox from certain distance is significantly smaller
Praying for you lank bros
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