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Thread to talk about drone warfare in general.
There are many ways drones can be used but I would like to talk about their potential use in protests and riots in the west.
In my experience something that is sorely lacking in protests going wild is intelligence about police postions, while the bad guys usually have a QG with plenty of operators gathering and distributing intelligence to police officers trough cameras, helicopters and, you guessed it, drones.
So, what's keeping us from using drones? Those for kids which are 50 bucks on amazon could do the trick, it would take a team of two, one pilot and one operative relaying intel trough a phone or a radio to someone in the front of the protest.
I know there are anti drone weapons, but they don't work that well and these aren't well established yet. In case of capture though it's good to prevent or render difficult a trace, so it would be smart to buy those drones trough proxies and false adresses, and scratch whatever number they have on them.
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>>4123 >>3936The Naval thread
>>3080 has a lot of posts on the topic of marine attack drones and defending against them such as post
>>4631 And I just realized I've posted little to that effect here, I'll have to amend that later.
>>4677 Related
>Наземный дрон СЭМ-350 армии России поступил на испытания The Russian army received the SEM-350 ground drone for testing
>Russia has created remote mine deploying robot https://topwar.ru/239050-teper-bespilotniki-zanjalis-minirovaniem-v-rossii-predstavlena-nazemnaja-platforma-ustanovki-zagrazhdenij.html I fear that with the development of drones going so far, that the US military may delude itself into believing that it could wage a large-scale conventional war with robotic troops and risk a nuclear one and still win, because it has robots to continue fighting in nuke-scorched Europe
https://archive.md/szmdh<How American Drones Failed to Turn the Tide in Ukraine>Drones from American startups have been deemed glitchy and expensive, prompting Ukraine to turn to alternatives from China
>Mykola Bielieskov, a senior analyst at Ukraine’s Come Back Alive, a charity that has supplied more than 30,000 drones to the military.>Come Back Alive Charity<Charity<Buying drones for the militarySpooks really call weapons dealing "charities". I can't put into words how funny this is to me. They have managed to surpass the Lethal Aid Meme
Also even with all this Deadly Aid, the Ukrainians themselves are not confident in their ability to create mass strikes using drones.
https://topwar.ru/239990-dorogo-i-stolko-dronov-net-ukrainskij-zhurnalist-ne-verit-v-vozmozhnost-massovyh-atak-bpla-vsu-po-territorii-rossii.html
>>4649The Vepr-12 shotguns are being given to sapper units on the front. 10 shot magazine with a powerful shell.
Карабин Вепрь-12 Молот получили войска России, обзор
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLkQf_DVc0
>>4786Im surprised there doesnt exist some hunter drones already, historically aircraft usage in war went -> scouting / artillery spotting -> dispersed anti scouting over your lines to deny air scouting -> air wings to take over air control in the area of operation -> CAS for when you have air control.
With drones its seemingly just scouting and cas with suicide drones
also wouldnt it theoretically be pretty easy to create some automatic static anti drone defense with a camera linked to an auto shotgun ?
>>4787 There do exist hunter drones, they're just not widely used at the moment. Russian FPV drones have been ramming larger Ukrainian ones and blowing them out of the sky.
>wouldnt it theoretically be pretty easy to create some automatic static anti drone defense with a camera linked to an auto shotgunThat would be a CIWS or Close In Weapon System similar to the Phalanx… problem is that you have to use drones with installed Friend-Foe indicators to prevent your own drones from being targeted by an automatic system like that.
>>4677>>4680 The drones used at Berdych are production combat models named Courier.
> The ground drone is called NRTC "Courier", this project is being implemented with the support of military commander Chengis Dambiev and Boris Rozhin. Technical information on the screen. The “Courier” robot is multifunctional; it can be equipped with an AGS-17 “Plamya” grenade launcher, a “Kord” machine gun, RPG-7 grenade launchers, ATGMs, RPO “Shmel-M” and other weapons. The robot can use an unknown model of electronic warfare power up to 560 W. In addition, the robot installs TM-62 and TM-83 anti-tank mines, working as a mine layer. The robot has a camera mounted on a rod and has armor plates, but their thickness is unknown. The robot control range is up to 10 km, autonomy is up to 72 hours. The robot weighs 250 kg, is equipped with an asynchronous electric motor with a power of 6 kW and can reach speeds of up to 35 km/h.>Военный робот Курьер начал применяться Россией
Although there have been incidents of FPV drones hitting helicopters in Ukraine since the beginning of the war, they have shown surprising effectiveness in avoiding drones in general, both in Ukraine and elsewhere. The US Navy however has been using helicopters to attack Houthi attack drones fairly successfully. Part of the reason helicopters have been good at avoiding small suicide drones, despite operating in the same combat air-space dimensions, is because helicopters today are very fast, even when cruising and the immense backwash caused by their rotors can send a drone tumbling out of the sky. Vid related is a Ukrainian FPV drone that failed to hit a Ka-52 for that reason.
https://topwar.ru/240031-mne-sverhu-vidno-vse.html Video source:
https://t.me/robert_magyar/618
Russia captured a US drone supplied to Ukraine
>Российские военнослужащие провели осмотр посаженного украинского БПЛА RQ-20 Puma американского производства. БПЛА RQ-20 Puma разработан компанией AeroVironment на основе БПЛА FQM-151 «Пойнтер» в 2007 году. БПЛА RQ-20 запускается с руки и предназначен для патрулирования, разведки и корректировки огневой поддержки. Двухосная, гиростабилизированная многосенсорная система дрона объединяет в себе обычную и тепловизионную камеры. Каждая из них имеет 6-кратное увеличение. Система позволяет обнаруживать противника днём и ночью. Дрон имеет влагозащищенный корпус и может быть оборудован солнечными панелями, с ними дрон может летать до 9 часов, без них до 3,5 часов. Интересно сделана конструкция дрона, от удара о землю он разваливается на части в строго определённых местах, благодаря этому его легко собрать и ремонтировать в полевых условиях. При размахе крыльев в 2,8 метра и длине 1,4 метра, максимальная взлетная масса БПЛА не превышает 5,9 кг. БПЛА RQ-20 развивает скорость до 83 км/ч при радиусе действия до 15 километров, на высоте до 15 метров. Примерная стоимость БПЛА RQ-20 Puma 250 тысяч долларов или 23 миллиона рублей. БПЛА отправят на изучения специалистами.
>Russian military personnel inspected the landed Ukrainian UAV RQ-20 Puma of American production. The RQ-20 Puma UAV was developed by AeroVironment based on the FQM-151 Pointer UAV in 2007. The RQ-20 UAV is hand-launched and is designed for patrol, reconnaissance and fire support adjustments. The drone's bi-axis, gyro-stabilized multi-sensor system combines conventional and thermal imaging cameras. Each of them has 6x magnification. The system allows you to detect the enemy day and night. The drone has a waterproof body and can be equipped with solar panels; with them, the drone can fly for up to 9 hours, without them for up to 3.5 hours. The design of the drone is interesting; when it hits the ground, it falls apart in strictly defined places, making it easy to assemble and repair in the field. With a wingspan of 2.8 meters and a length of 1.4 meters, the maximum take-off weight of the UAV does not exceed 5.9 kg. The RQ-20 UAV reaches speeds of up to 83 km/h with a range of up to 15 kilometers, at an altitude of up to 15 meters. The approximate cost of the RQ-20 Puma UAV is 250 thousand dollars or 23 million rubles. The UAV will be sent for examination by specialists.
>>4678>>4132>The MQ-25 may be used for direct combat purposes I should have predicted this.
https://topwar.ru/240274-bpla-mq-25a-mozhet-stat-boevym.html
Recently the US Army has accepted the Leonidas Microwave system as an experimental, Microwave based anti-drone weapon.
https://topwar.ru/240642-mikrovolnovoe-oruzhie-chetyre-sistemy-leonidas-uzhe-peredany-vs-ssha-razvertyvanie-na-korabljah-vms-ssha-s-2026-goda.html However there's already a way found around it - a layer of copper around the drone blocks the directed electro-magnetic pulse from disrupting the drone by 100 times.
There's an interesting video by Mark Rober that he just released that covers this and other anti-drone measures as well as stuff he and his friends came up with. His ad for a robot-constructor product he made is also actually informative as to the current states of autonomous systems and how EASY it would be to make autonomous turrets a la Aliens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrGENEXocJU >Vortex Cannon vs Drone
>>4864A new super-low drone detecting RADAR was released in Russia, we'll see how effective it'll be. Paired with specialized anti-drone MANPADS could make this a viable defense, comparable to current infantry anti-air against helicopters and CAS attack aircraft.
https://topwar.ru/241337-rossijskij-holding-rosjelektronika-nachal-postavki-portativnoj-rls-dlja-obnaruzhenija-dronov-na-sverhmalyh-vysotah.html https://topwar.ru/241123-specializirovannye-zrk-i-zur-dlja-borby-s-bpla.html>>4814 To add on, while this is true, it's not a permanent measure, as drones are developing rapidly, so Helicopters will probably need to adapt with specialized anti-drone weapons or attack measures, as well as defenses.
https://topwar.ru/240973-vertolety-protiv-ukrainskih-bezjekipazhnyh-katerov-i-bplakamikadze-vremennoe-reshenie-s-vysokimi-riskami.html
>>4867>>4838An analysis of the X-62A and how it's still far from true AI vs Human combat (simulation). The AI is essentially using existing commands for the basis of its responses and actions, which means its reactive and not creative.
https://topwar.ru/241315-protiv-russkih-poka-rano.html
Under barrel grenade launchers are getting use as anti-drone weapons, with proximity-fuse grenades and net-gun ammunition for short-mid range combating of drones.
https://topwar.ru/242322-v-rossii-razrabotali-granatometnyj-vystrel-dlja-borby-s-nebolshimi-dronami-na-pole-boja.html
>>4971Video of said launchers (v1)
>Russian gunsmiths have developed a device for the GP-25 Koster under-barrel grenade launcher that allows you to effectively hit drones at close range. The extension insert is inserted into the grenade launcher and is designed for a 12-gauge hunting cartridge loaded with buckshot. The device can be used with Kalashnikov assault rifle grenade launchers with a caliber of 5.45 mm and 7.62 mm; when used, the effective range of destruction of drones can reach up to 50 meters. The grenade launcher insert allows you to successfully hit FPV drones at close range and eliminates the need to carry an additional shotgun>>4649New anti-drone shotgun round (v2)
>The Russian company Tekhkrim presented new “Interception” cartridges designed to intercept drones. The tests were shown by journalist Alexander Rogatkin. Anti-drone cartridge 12/70 caliber, has 6 lead segments connected by Kevlar thread, the cartridge device is on the screen. When firing this cartridge, a strong Kevlar thread is revealed, which, when it hits a target, instantly gets tangled in the drone and disables it. The maximum diameter of the opened net of the Intercept cartridge is one meter; the net opens completely at a distance of 15-20 meters from the barrel cut. This solution will be especially effective against FPV drones, which have begun to attack infantry. According to the manufacturer, the effective firing range of the cartridge is up to 100 meters.
>>4993Bolo shotgun rounds aren't exactly new
>>5001Sure it's not the newest thing, but this is a new set of ammunition with a specific target in mind. Before shotguns chainshot was used by black-powder ship cannons to take down masts and rigging, pic rel.
BTW Bolo-shotgun rounds are illegal in the USA if I remember correctly.
>>5005>Practically nothing is banned gun wise except automatics, federally, in the USA. Eh, depends on the region/state. Sure there's loopholes but the way its made means only some of the poorest people have them (through criminal ties) and richer people, because they can afford the cost, everyone else is in between where they MIGHT be able to get a firearm but are unlikely to train often or get proper gear, because it's too expensive or a proper range and store are too far away.
>>5006>Eh, depends on the region/stateDo you know what the word federally means?
>>5007Yes, asshole, I do. Federal law over-rules state law… on paper… it doesn't do jack shit IRL because you need the money to argue against state courts about these sorts of things.
>>5008Bro… I wasn't saying anything about overriding state law. I was just saying they aren't illegal in America as you said, only in certain states as you later said.
>>5010I was nitpicking too but it is an important distinction I think.
>>4996>Yemen guerillas have downed a 4th Reaper Drone Make that a 5th drone - it was done using Home-Made versions of the Buk M1 missiles they have.
https://southfront.press/houthis-announced-interception-of-fifth-mq-9-reaper-uav-of-us-air-force-over-yemen/>>5013Fair enough.
>>4864 6 Counter Drone Methods and their solutions at the moment:
1 - Jamming (over loading the drone with false radio-signals so it can no longer 'hear' instructions from the remote controller).
2 - Hacking (riding the radio signal and exploiting holes in the software to take over and reroute control)
To get around these 2, using different radio frequencies and having firewalls or even using drones that don't require frequencies to begin with.
3 - High Power Lasers (damage cameras and burn outer casing of the Drone if its plastic)
This can be countered by using a reflective metal material held at an offset from the drone which means that it will take much more energy to burn through before reaching the drone.
4 - Focused Microwave EMP (induces an extremely high electric current within the drone that would cause short-circuiting and fries its electronics).
This can be avoided simply by using copper tape lining the drone's body, muffling such microwave signals
5 - Drone to drone net-guns (Drone chases enemy drone and fires net, tangling and downing it)
Nets are bulky and require larger, less maneuverable drones, so they can be avoided
6 - Physical Force (using physical impact as a direct anti-drone action)
The flaw is obvious; being able to actually hit the drone. Automatic trackers would definitely help (Anduril Anvil for example) but enemy drones will probably mount counter-measures at some point.
Magneto-weapons against drones:
https://topwar.ru/242991-kak-pobedit-million-kamikadze-zaschita-vojsk-ot-novoj-ugrozy.html
because the actual purpose of >muh cucklege protests is for the protestors to mentally distance themselves from final exams, and drones do not help with that
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