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 No.2478

Thread to talk about drone warfare in general.

There are many ways drones can be used but I would like to talk about their potential use in protests and riots in the west.

In my experience something that is sorely lacking in protests going wild is intelligence about police postions, while the bad guys usually have a QG with plenty of operators gathering and distributing intelligence to police officers trough cameras, helicopters and, you guessed it, drones.

So, what's keeping us from using drones? Those for kids which are 50 bucks on amazon could do the trick, it would take a team of two, one pilot and one operative relaying intel trough a phone or a radio to someone in the front of the protest.

I know there are anti drone weapons, but they don't work that well and these aren't well established yet. In case of capture though it's good to prevent or render difficult a trace, so it would be smart to buy those drones trough proxies and false adresses, and scratch whatever number they have on them.

 No.2479

> There are many ways drones can be used but I would like to talk about their potential use in protests and riots in the west.

whenever I hear people talk about this I wonder what on earth they're on about. cities already have static surveillance methods, drones don't add anything particularly meaningful to that. police already have helicopters, what does a drone add to that that didn't exist in the 80s

we were all alive during the last big rounds of riots right? if anything the only drones were ones owned by media coloring the action, which is its own problem but has nothing to do with drone warfare qua warfare

 No.2480

>what's keeping us from using drones?
The US has started regulating the use of drones by the public.

 No.2481

>>2480

this has literally done nothing fyi, the scant handful of internet nerds who obey fcc rules on it are all avowed losers

 No.2482

>>2479
>static surveillance methods
Yes, it works because when drones are detected the police can be sent. The police can't be sent when there are massive protests or riots ongoing.

>if anything the only drones were ones owned by media coloring the action

An issue that will be tackled, hence this thread.

 No.2483

>>2482

> The police can't be sent when there are massive protests or riots ongoing.


what are you even talking about, the default behavior in the west to anything is always "deploy as many cops as possible" to every single thing, and police routinely get deployed to quell riots in the US

if you're just starting to pay attention to police action in the US I suggest you look at some of the footage and manuals unicorn riot puts out

 No.2501

>>2480
1. GPS Jammers
2. COMMS Jammers
3. Drones Designed to capture others with nets
4. Registration requirements
5. Apps that want to notify FAA on locations of drone and operator in real time.
6. Risk of legal compliance for this whole thing.
7. Drones can be legal and people will call the cops just because they don't like the buzz and they don't like the youth.

 No.2502

>>2478
"50 bucks on amazon could do the trick"

0-50 Tiny ball, no correction, no gps
50-150 minimum flight, weak camera
450 Strong DJI Phantom
1K +- 0.5K 8motor multirotor of Ukraine with Ardupilot.

 No.2503

"scratch whatever number they have on them."

Internal chips we can't see with serial numbers on the physical chip like batch numbers and in storage for the CPU.
Bluetooth sniffing for phone to drone controls that anyone can see
Wireless sniffing for FPV cams over Radio frequency with real time video and data for all to see

 No.2505

Ignoring security issues, the biggest problem is battery life, they can't fly for very long.

 No.2566

>>2505
Predator drones use gas as the moving power and batteries for the electronics. The energy density was higher in oil based fuel.

 No.2579

Drones good enough to get useful info are expensive, and the person using it will get targeted by enemy netrunners and the local PD if they capture it.

Theres also the risk of it being disabled, falling and headshotting a comrade.

Info is useless unless people act on it, and if they actually do something with your info you've just made yourself an accessory to whatever the police blame the crowd for.

For that matter, how are you gonna spread the info? A volunteer fallguy with a loud speaker? Can you trust him to not rat you out?

Unless you've fully committed to being some kinda on the run fugitive for the rest of your life its extra trouble for no tangible gain.

 No.2606

>>2479
>what does a drone add to that that didn't exist in the 80s

They need an eye in the sky, not a human in the sky:
1. Humans weigh a lot. Why not spend 90 KG on more fuel.
2. When you drop a human onto a craft, it suddenly has to be very safe. See NASA.
3. Humans are big, technology is small. Why have this empty cockpit?
4. Helicopters spend their time circling over lake squish. Circling for 2 hours is boring and may or may not make someone dizzy.

Assorted capacities:
1. Portable solutions for Rural environments that lack CCTV.


Money:
1. Helicopters cost more than drones. They cost more to buy and repair.
2. Helicopter operators cost more than drone operators.
3. Drone crashes are cheap to repair compared to Helicopters as drones are tiny.
4. The bigger the grant, the fewer options there are. Any grant no matter how small can get you just one more drone.

 No.2607

>>2478
>So, what's keeping us from using drones?
Power asymmetry. At least in Russia they have GPS spoofing, area-wide jamming equipment, anti-drone microwave guns, hunter-catcher drones and whatever else. OTOH, these measures are limited in coverage, so wide-scale, distributed protests could use some birds unnoticed.

 No.2608



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