No.3331
>>1458767
>how does a gun help me put food on my plate
Hunting was always big in anglo countries, especially the colonies because there was so much wild game (at first). The US currently has a deer overpopulation problem because the colonists exterminated the wolves that kept their numbers in check, and if they weren't being actively hunted for population control they would kill off forests by eating too much undergrowth. Also lots of people get in car crashes because of deer but that's more of a problem with cars.
and of course
obviously
>how does a gun help destroy capitalism so we can replace it with a system that doesn't cause artificial scarcity of food
No.3332
>>3324>I think this a thing that happens when people substitute belief in the masses or organizing within the masses for their small group, and they compensate for the lack of effectiveness by ramping up the radical aesthetics and "militant" posture.I think it's largely a problem of not wanting to do the appropriate legwork for the historical moment you're in. Right now in these places the work to be done is in revitalizing the labor movement and injecting class consciousness into the mobilized working class. The time for muh revolution is pretty far off, but some bozos don't have the patience (or, let's be honest, the seriousness or genuine concern for the workers) to do any of that because they want to be the cool commies like they've seen pictures of.
That said, the problem here is not really the guns but the tryhard aesthetics which are too radical for the average person and as you said too obvious for their (small) numbers, making them just an easier target. It's not even good visual PR because people see this and they associate your visuals with getting fucked up by cops. Whereas if you were just dressed like a normal person and the cops came and fucked you up, people would see it as cops fucking people up.
No.3334
>>3333whoops dropped my flag
No.3336
>>3332>It's not even good visual PR because people see this and they associate your visuals with getting fucked up by cops.Yeah exactly. A lot of people when they see someone getting fucked up by cops tend to think "that guy probably did something to deserve it" even when they didn't (and sometimes they did!) but the quantity of people who think you did something to deserve it goes up considerably when you're dressed in all black and wearing a mask and a helmet. But these guys, these specific guys believe in idealistic thing where people will awake from their slumber when they see the cops fucking them up.
No.3337
>>3336just one more recording of police brutality bro just one more
No.3338
>>3336>>3337in latin america youre considered a fucking dope if you bring out your shitty phone instead of actually helping someone being taken by cops during a protest
it gets worse because these retards will then upload the vid for clout and wont even blur their faces
No.3339
>>3336Yeah like I was saying if they just looked like normal people then it would be closer to the effect they want of bad PR for the cops, because then it wouldn't be one "faction" against another but just cops against people.
No.3340
>>3337I'm documenting so hard.
No.3341
/AKM/ weigh in here.
what is the best gun(s) for a leftist to buy? at low income vs high income?
No.3342
>>3323I guess the lesson is to not carry alone. And if you are, carry concealed.
No.3343
>>3342the guy who was killed in this instance was carrying an AK. How df do you carry an AK "concealed"??
No.3346
>>3345i love out of context marx quotes
No.3347
>>3346The context:
>At the moment, while the democratic petty bourgeois are everywhere oppressed, they preach to the proletariat general unity and reconciliation; they extend the hand of friendship, and seek to found a great opposition party which will embrace all shades of democratic opinion>from the very moment of victory the workers’ suspicion must be directed no longer against the defeated reactionary party but against their former ally, against the party which intends to exploit the common victory for itself>To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. No.3348
>>3347and you really think the historical context back then is the same as now
inb4 "we still have capitalism xdddddddddddddd"
No.3350
>>3284All this makes a lot of sense, but I don't trust my reactionary trans phobic neighbors to protect me with their guns rather than manufacture a season to kill me with them. I don't really want guns near me.
No.3351
>>3341Whatever you can use and is legal insofaras you can openly practice and train with it.
Also join a club first to train grass touching which is, imo, massively underappreciated part of firearms' safety practices.
No.3352
>how important is the right for civilian firearm ownership or possession?
Its the most important right. More important than free speech or right to assembly.
No.3354
You are not going to fight off the u.s military with your pistol
No.3356
>>3343That's why you don't carry an ak ya nard.
No.3357
>>3350Is this the best reply a glowie can muster?
No.3358
>>3357I'm not a glowie. Calling people glowies who aren't make you look like a conspiracy theorist
No.3359
>>3350>I don't trust my reactionary trans phobic neighbors to protect me with their guns rather than manufacture a season to kill me with them.You shouldn't. You should want guns because they would come kill you whether they have guns or not, as soon as they think liberal society has broken down enough that they could get away with killing you.
No.3360
>>3313seize them from where lol
No.3361
>>3359yeah this tbh, they can easily kill you without guns in a whole bunch of different ways anyway
No.3362
>>3359This once again simultaneously sounds like it makes sense, but also like burger propaganda. In reality, people with guns are more likely to die from them.
No.3363
>>3362just dont kill yourself then
No.3364
>>3362>In reality, people with guns are more likely to die from them.That's a product of a couple of compounding factors, mainly to do with bad gun culture. If you aren't a moron about gun safety and you don't go waving one around to look tough and you're not depressed/suicidal then you're not going to put yourself at significantly greater risk of death by firearm.
The post I was replying to was (I assume disingenuously) about a minority group being in danger from hate crimes. If that describes you then dying by violence is a lot more of a function of vulnerability to hateful people and organizations, or being relegated to neighborhoods with a lot of poverty and ambient crime/gun violence.
But by all means show the stats that prove that ackchyually the marginalized people most vulnerable to systemic violence need to be disarmed for their heckin safety. Reminder that in the US, gun control was invented to disarm free black people after the civil war so that lost cause confederaboos would have an easier time doing massacres against them.
No.3365
>>3363Wow, suicide rate drops to 0% with this one neat trick!
No.3366
I love guns but I think that
-Firearm safety should be a late elementary school class
-Instead of individual ownership rights, we should have collective access to communally owned firearms, including heavy weapons such as mortar and machine guns.
No.3367
>>3366There was an Australian rural politician who said he'd like to do that.
Also imo firearms education and practice just seems like a learning to drive a vehicle.
You do the theory, practices for X time to move up to Y grade, then do a refresher every Z years or it expires.
Firearm safety is basically a trade and natural or material science.
No.3368
>>3365the involuntary suicide rate is 100% just dont be a pussy and choose life
No.3369
>>3366>Instead of individual ownership rights, we should have collective access to communally owned firearmsCouple problems with that
>when the RWDS is at your door, the people's militia is only 10 minutes away>when the guy overseeing the community magazine decides him and his buddies start deciding who are the real ass revolutionariesBut sure it works for things like artillery.
No.3371
>>3366hell yeah the people's suicide chamber
No.3372
better for leftists to be armed
No.3373
>Should the right to bear arms be a demand of the workers movement in countries where it doesn't exist?
Yes, absolutely.
Luckily we have growing black markets selling guns and knives in these countries. Atm its mostly lumpens who are taking advantage though.
No.3374
>>3297Every socialist country will be different
>inb4 muh trotskyist global gubbmint No.3375
>>3348You sound one step away from unironically saying "the founding fathers were talking about muskets"
No.3376
>>3327LOL
typical anarkiddies, always having their priorities straight
No.3377
>>3324>this a thing that happens when people substitute belief in the masses or organizing within the masses for their small group, and they compensate for the lack of effectiveness by ramping up the radical aesthetics and "militant" posturethis is everyone in leftypol who cant shut up about muh guns
No.3378
>>3377Its better than nothing
I suppose some would prefer if we were all castrated liberals engaging in the public discourse, but we dont have a place there, because we are threats
No.3379
>>3377>every burger in leftypolftfy
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