Who the hell is even the target audience for this cringeworthy shitshow these days? I'm seriously curious.
Newfags and people who just want to see colorful shitshows with fake tension because they have nothing to do.
>>2912Wait are you saying there is more after the Dragon Ball Super Tournament?!!!? fucking how? Goku's beaten literal gods at this point FFS.
There's no way older fans would be watching this truly awful devolution after Namek and Cell. Thus, they have to be small children. But I do find it a bit difficult to believe a small child would be able to get into this series without starting from the beginning.
>>2912>Who the hell is even the target audience for this cringeworthy shitshow"people" like Jason Unruhe
>>2923Doesn't Jason still live with his mom?
Based on what I've seen on tiktok the Dragon Ball stuff is still really popular.
>>2943Dragon Ball stuff from From which Dragon Ball era?
>>2946Pretty much all of it.
>>2912People who like to enjoy things.
I haven't watched dragon ball for tension since I was a kid.
I watch it for the comedy.
>>2918No real dragon ball fan watches the show after the glorious Pilaf saga ended.
omg the moment when goku goes giant ape once again like when he killed gohan was just so perfect thematically. stupid toriyama and his cashgrabbniess ruined DB after that reeeee
Everybody watching after that saga are fake fans smh
>>2953Well there's certainly no comedy to be found so you must be mistaken.
>>2953>>2960I watched it to see how garbage it was… skipping around a lot of course and doing 2 other things at the same time.
>>2960>Well there's certainly no comedyFalse
You're purposefully acting dense and ignoring the gags in the show because you do not like it.
Which is even more childish than my sense of humor
I could swear we already had a DBZ thread but apparently we don't
>>2965>le smug fat cat god.pngNice, thanks for that
>>2978This is sarcastic
But I'm taking this "thanks" anyways
FARWELL ANONS
2UPER WHEN??? Moro saga is almost over in the manga now
>>2984Second Season is going to come out in December I think
Dragon Ball hasn't been good for a while now, but brands are big, so IDK what people are expecting
>>2987it is returning in december?
fuck yeah
>>3367More screamfests and wacky fights galore
The new video-game related OVA's are weird as fuck but fun to watch as clips. A lot less screaming ironically.
Spics and niggers.
>>3882… Spics and niggers what?
I dont get why people hate on Super, Tournament of Power is the hypest saga since Namek.
>>2954>hahaha child is pissing>hahaha creepy grandpa molests girlOriginal Dragon Ball series is unwatchable shit.
nonwhites
>>5286>Tournament of Power is the hypest saga since NamekBecause the hype was too obvious tbh.
>>5287kek
>>2917reminder than buu was already shown to be stronger than the supreme kais, which at that point were introduced as THE god(s) of the DB universe.
I never bothered with Super but afaik they simply pull out newer gods and newer godlike villains ad-infinitum, so I can't see what could possibly stop them from doing that again and again.
>>2912nostalgic spics
t. spic
>>5286>I dont get why people hate on Super, Tournament of Power is the hypest saga since Namek.Because it's dumbfoundingly stupid garbage that makes no sense and isn't even funny to make up for its stupidity. How can you have any hype left after two decades of relentless power level retcons?
black people and hispanics
Who is the best black character in this anime
Yeah it's sad what Dragon Ball has devolved into. It didn't used to be this bad, the fights were entertaining, there was some nice drama and heartfelt moments, cool themes, pervy moments, excellent worldbuilding, awesome Toriyama art, etc. of course it had problems (like Goku never maturing into a responsible person with a purpose other than "get stronger" and "have fun") but that's besides the point. Super meanwhile? The only thing I could praise is the occasional cool soundtrack, that's literally it.
>>5359Dragonball should have ended with Namek blowing up. That doesn't mean Super is good.
>>5347Obviously Mr.Popo
>>5359>fights are better choreographed/animatedOnly because of the debacle with the movie where the fuckups were so obvious only the most inattentive missed them. Super had a bigger budget and isn't hand-drawn unlike DBZ. DBZ had some bad parts but it was overall really fun, if stupid at times… this is solved by having DBZA which is peak Dragon Ball.
Some effort posts
>>5429>>5427Requesting mods put Dragon Ball Super in the OP post
I just watched dragon ball super for the first time. I "binged" the entire thing every night for the past 2 months.
The first two arcs are boring and drag on for too long which is to be expected since they were written as movies.
Goku Black's arc has a great soundtrack but the plot doesn't make any fucking sense; there are some cool fights here and there though, and LE MYSTERY adequately carries half of the saga.
Now for the hot take: the Universe Survival arc is awful. Dragon Ball has never been coherent with power levels (which all things considered is mostly autism, but still), however this arc not only ignores any notion of them existing but actively contradicts them ever being relevant (bro android 17 is as strong as a god because he destroys tanks on a remote island LOOL).
Fanwank aspergers aside, the first half is incredibly superfluous and, even worse, boring. We know all these guys are going into the tournament and we all know what they can do, the only swerve is Frieza getting in at the cost of Buu getting done dirty, which sucks massive dick because Buu has a really entertaining fight ""style"" compared to the rest of the more orthodox cast. IMO Frieza should've taken Roshi's place because the old master has no business being in that tournament, the man gets throughly btfo by dragon ball era Ten Shin Han, who's shown to be a massive load in the tournament despite dedicating his entire life to training martial arts, all the while Roshi faps on his island yet he's somehow stronger thanTtien; Piccolo can also perform the Mafuba so we don't need Roshi to get that technique in.
Then in the tournament itself, the battle royale part is the worst kind of filler: battle filler, and with a gallery of retarded enemies we know nothing about too (base Kefla looked really cool I'll admit).
The final showdown between U7 vs U11 is when things finally pick up yet the >muh strategy angle is kinda dropped here too in favour of standard shonen asspulls despite being the part where strategy would've mattered the most, since Jiren and Top are stupidly and unreasonably overpowered, yet Top gets taken out by a chump in a 1v1 without any iota of reason, so it's "funny" that they only apply strategy against Dispo who is easily the weakest out of the three and could probably get btfo by Goku alone.
And don't get me started on Jiren's backstory, shit's so cliché, boring and nonsensical it's incredibly fitting that the entire thing is narrated by a literal clown; I mean that had to be on purpose lol.
Finally, the filler stuff was actually very entertaining and the highlight of the entire anime but overall it's a retarded series don't watch dragon ball z, gt nor super ever.
>shonenshit
Yeah, yeah I know I'm just too hooked on dragon ball fighterz so why the fuck not.
>Who the hell is even the target audience for this cringeworthy shitshow these days?
It's professional wrestling for weebs
>>10316Not untrue, still fun to glance at once in a while
>>10317Oh, totally. It's great seeing good guys beat up bad guys, yelling out attack names, throwing laser beams at each other, and so on. Honestly the thing mostly keeping me from getting into Super is just how awful it looked. Everything seemed to have a flat, plastic quality to it, and the proportions seemed off somehow. I guess they've fixed that recently?
>>10319>they've fixed that recently?Yep, and the manga is apparently really good in the Moro arc ( see
>>10313 ).
Unfortunately a different manga Super Arc literally rips off Naruto, sharingan, Sussano'o and more.
>>10319Lol, that's most anime these days.
>these days
It finished a while back
>>10329Thread is from before December 20
>>10329>>10358It's still an anime from within the past 5 years, so still quite relevant.
>Is Dragon Ball Communist? The Author Akira Toriyama is not a communist. this does not exclude the ideology being present. The aesthetics are often used for villains (starting from the Red Ribbon Army , Oolong and Emperor Pilaf) but the actual execution is more generic fascists. The Namekians are essentially Primitive Communists but that seems to be the extent of it. So no, it's not communist.
This thread expands on the nitty gritty argument anad socialist aspects in the series (Pre DBS):
https://archive.ph/yrsbLSymbolism for communism in DBZ:
https://archive.ph/N8Uim (I think it misses that Oolong is a caricature of Mao), The site covers a lot about Dragon Ball including Toriyama's biography such as his Bali Island tour
https://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/history/akira-toriyama-bali-island-tour-2/ >>10322>a different manga Super Arc literally rips off NarutoI remembered - the Granolah Arc's antagonist. Also in the Moro arc, pic related is literally Goku's "energy avatar" that is basically the sussano'o/chakra avatar from Naruto.
>GranolahBunshins
Special X-Ray Eye ( think it could do illusions too but I forget)
Chunni style of dressing
Runs on anger and hate
Outside of the eye these things have appeared earlier in DB but the particular way it is used is Narutoesque.
>>2912>Who the hell is even the target audience for this cringeworthy shitshow these days? I'm seriously curious.<blacks and hispanicsUnironically and not really, they are the main audience for the whole dbz run.
Allow a black voice to explain, you see, growing up in the hood. There wasn't a lot of stuff to do apart from playing outside or playing batman. TVs were good as tables, unless you actually had a satellite dish then it was pointless. Let me tell you, having one of those was a sign of wealth. Parents spent a pretty penny on those things… I think that's when my childhood actually started. So what do you have to watch? The genetic 5 news, old star trek reruns and fx movies. Lame, lame and triple lame. But there was a savior amongst us… channel 170. The almighty, nickelodeon. I still remember the channel number to this day. It's burned into my brain from writing it so much. Wonder pets, penguins of Madagascar and fanboy and chum chum… don't get me wrong. Those were pretty good. But there was this one spectacular show that brought the whole gang together and we forgot our differences. Dragon ball Z Kai. The story of a kid from another world fighting evil and collecting dragon balls. I fell in love with anime ever since I discovered it. Even our parents would join along in the watch parties. We began in the emperor pilaf arc, to the saiyan arc to the popular frieza arc, and all the way to the cell games and finally the majin buu arc. God, I still look back to those days fondly. How many times has Goku had to train harder to surpass his limits. I still admire the guy to this day. His cheerful personality and strong demeanor was a sparkle for hope for me. A lot of my mexican buddies really liked that show. I remember this one guy, Felix. He streamed the dbz movies on his phone and he handed me a head bud. Yes, I did spend lunch watching gbz and pokemon movies. Yes, it was awesome.
>>Who the hell is even the target audience for this cringeworthy shitshow these days? I'm seriously curious.It's something you had to experience at the moment. I would go as far to say it's in our culture now. DBZ has been with me. The fans of the old still watch dragon ball because we could never abandon it, not when it's done so much for us. 'll never forget it. Amway's wondering what was going to happen. Roleplaying the dbz fights with my friends behind my house. All my friends giving our energy to goku lol. Even as I attempted to explain it to you. You won't truly understand because you just had to go into dbz without knowing what it was. Sitting with your friends with a bowl of potato chips on a Saturday morning. This comrade missed out on the best anime ever… I won't lie to you, comrade. It's a little concerning that the new generation of weebs are a lot like you. To disrespect the anime before you as "cringe" and "stupid." You're entitled to your opinions but don't come to my conventions man. Stay away from the boorus. But most of all, don't call yourself a weeb when it's painfully obvious you're a normie.
>>10563>don't call yourself a weeb when it's painfully obvious you're a normie.Not OP but I don't think they claimed to be a weeb? You can consume anime and not be one. Also I think they're more referring to Dragon Ball SUPER in terms of it being a downgrade compared to even GT. Everything you describe is mostly TV-anime stuff, not related to the manga much and DBS anime has been kind trash not gonna lie. The epic screamfests and explosions of DBZ are being rehashed in half-assed manner.
Also the OP made this post almost 2 years ago, when DBS didn't even have much to go on in terms of redeeming qualities compared to today.
also a lot of fans are toxic as fuck, /a/ threads on the topic constantly try to "raid" other anime generals and get hated for it Also personally I get annoyed by DBS because if you think DBZ did Gohan dirty, DBS just shits all over him even in the times that are supposed to be his "epid moments"
>>10565Have a chronic condition where I respond to post from years ago. Very serious as you noticed.
>This>This<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RgzjGKKYcQGohan never recovered from this. Goku's son is just a jobber now… Toriyama made of the most intriguing character in the whole series and then neuters him. I've seen super and I was disappointed that Gohan didn't have a moment where he surpassed Goku. I was actually waiting for it but he was just used to take out some literal who. Goku blanco was what redeemed it for me. Pure kino.
>>10573Yeah Goku Blanco is literally the meme that came to life.
>>10565>Also I think they're more referring to Dragon Ball SUPER in terms of it being a downgrade compared to even GT.Not that anon but Latin Americans definitely ate that shit up.
> /a/ threads on the topic constantly try to "raid" other anime generals and get hated for it based, fuck /a/ (I was probably there and witnessed it too, when Super was airing)
>>10573>Have a chronic condition where I respond to post from years ago. Very serious as you noticedlel
>Goku's son is just a jobber now <that feel when GOTEN is better than Gohan as a charactersad
>>10580>fuck /a/ Yah /a/ is cncerous but I preferred it when they targeted the moe-fags (that was glorious pic related). They tried to start shit against the Naruto generals and got BTFO pretty quick. The Naruto generals are probably the least retarded in the entire board, so it got annoying to get spammed (hilarious given the bad rep they get).
>>10587>that was glorious pic relatedeh, it just looks like retards fighting over nothing.
>>10589based, love to see fights.
>>10587Oh hey I remember that LMAO
Yeah I agree, it was so fun, I haven't used /a/ in a long while so I didn't know they had become actually annoying
>>10591>Oh hey I remember that LMAOWait, how can I remember something that happened this year? I don't know but I definitely remembering seeing this very same picture years ago.
>>10591>actually annoying currently they've stopped raid attempts but the reputation remains. Also do you remember Jiren Brony?
>>10592 Mandela effect?
>>10593>Also do you remember Jiren Brony? Maybe I do, who was that? Did it have something to do with a ponyfied Jiren?
>>10601I think this isn't what I was thinking of but holy kek what an autismfest
Dragon ball super is awesome
>>10769it's fun I think you mean, there is nothing in DBS that has one in awe.
>>10771I was in awe of Chadren.
>>11188because they're wankers
>>11213Then why include them in DBZ or moreover in the DBS Tournament of Power?
>Who the hell is even the target audience for this cringeworthy shitshow these days? I'm seriously curious.
CHADS.
>>11216Because they're wankers
>>11328I'm not seeing the joke… is it about the guy on IMDB? Or a Latino reference?
>>11330Yeah, a Latino reference.
>>10771I disagree, the show was Super awesome all throughout.
>>2954This
Dragon Ball Z was a cash grab
>moeshit pedos can't comprehend true art
>>11188Didn't Yamcha actually have one a technique like spirit bomb? Also I'm more surprised that he didn't teach Piccolo that, it'd let him be relevant after the Super-Saiyan shit more.
>>13886I honestly like the design for Paparoni, A flamboyant character isn't rare for anime or even Dragon Ball, but he has an aesthetic and behavior that makes him memorable to me.
You ever think about the strangeness of DBS's Mirai Trunks and Future Mai pairing? To explain, Mai is a character from the original Dragon Ball Z back in the first Season literally, and roughly of the same age as Bulma. She got de-aged at one point in Super I think, but as a personality she's still the same mental age as Bulma by that point in the alternate Zamasu future. Future Trunks at that time is Chronologically 30 and Biologically 32 (due to Time-Chamber shenanigans), Bulma is nearly 2x that at 62 and Mai is supposed to be Biologically 30 in that future, but chronologically she is 60 (She's chronologically 41 and Biologically 11 during the God of Destruction Beerus Saga, 19 years before the Future Zamasu timeline). So basically she's mentally 2x Trunk's age. I don't knock it, but it's kinda funny to realize.
Age source:
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_character_birth_dates_and_ages Art by funsexydragonball
>>15001Sorry to telling you this but…Mai is OLDER than Bulma…if you watched original db, she looked like an adult while Bulma was a teenager.
>>15024She looks and acts older, but apparently she's a little younger.
My belief has always been that 18 is partly there to fill in the void left by Launch. They're both beautiful blonde's living at Kame house, with a troubled past and a mean streak. Both characters are voiced by the same actress in the funimation dub (Meredith McCoy). Clearly there is a strong connection between the two, even though they never meet. In fact, I think that's exactly why they never meet, because they are too similar. That's why 18 replaced Launch. I also believe that the romance between 18 and Krillin is the belated resolution of the failed romance arch between Launch and Tien. Of course I can't prove that, but we all have to try and make sense of Toriyama's chaotic brain somehow and I haven't heard any better theories.
>There is no actual connection between Launch and 18!
When I say that 18 is there to replace Launch, I mean that from the perspective of trying to unravel Toriyama's "subconscious". Toriyama didn't consciously replace Launch with 18, neither did he have the Tien-Launch romance consciously in mind when he made 18 and Krillin a couple. What I'm saying is that this is something he did without realizing it. Additionally, I do think there is a deeper similarity between the characters themselves. Both Launch and 18 are typically rather cold/stand-offish and only show their soft side at rare moments. They were both delinquents/criminals in the past. That's what I meant by "mean streak". They both have a sadistic side as well, not just a temper like ChiChi and Bulma do. Their relationship with master Roshi and the Z fighters is also similar. And it's definitely not true that almost every character lived at Kame house the way Krillin, 18 and Launch did, taking more or less permanent residence there.
>>15083Fan theories aside the real reason Toriyama forgot Launch existed is because he forgets shit all of the time and is an awful, repetitive and tropey writer. He forgot about Chi-Chi for most of Dragon Ball before shoving her into a pseudo-shotgun wedding near the end with a mentally challenged boy.
>>17622https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5drbX6btmUdamn ya anon for reminding me ;_;
she's doing divine retributions in heaven now
>>17621/dbs/ is a real mental illness even this image trying to expose it's own sickos is sad enough
generals…
not even once
>>17621>>17625I have no idea what is going on in that image.
>>17626it is better if you don't
basically inner forum drama between regulars and exposing them
i used to collect data like that to, and even archived threads, thankfully i never made images or doxxed anyone
>>5359t. Has never seen Goku vs. Tien
I don't watch it directly, but seeing clips of the neat animation they pull for fight scenes and the occasional goof makes me appreciate it's still being made. It's like the family guy of anime.
>>10704The cell-shaded CG animation was interesting, but frankly the movie sucked.
>Is there any other special attack that goes harder than the Kamehameha?
Shoryuken and Hoduken
Chi chi tricked Goku by telling him sex positions are secret training techniques.
>>22687Chi-Chi is a rapist
>fighting feels good to saiyajin
>chi chi is a fighter
>she challenges goku to a fight
>convinces him to take off his weighted clothing by saying she's taking hers off "too"
>they wrestle
>chichi pins Goku using a "secret technique"
>KA
>ME
>HA
>ME
>HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>9 months later Gohan is born
>"I should get Chichi to teach me this new version of the multiform technique some day."
>>22687Chi chi harvested his wet dream ejaculate in his sleep
>>22687He probably knows what it is, just didn't know the word for it - he's a country bumpkin raised on martial arts and literally not knowing what a woman was until he met Bulma.
>>291212 year olds and manchildren
I've noticed a lot of weepy, emotionally unwell gym bros fall into the orbit of this show.
Also, I don't give a shit about this show, but as a gay dude, it can be pretty hot to open up a clip of some battle scene, put it on mute, and watch two muscular men punching each other
Was Toriyama Arrested? I've been hearing this shit and I don't know where it's coming from.
>>22973>Chi chi: "Shark, shark there's a shark in the water">Goku: Ka Me Ha Me >Chichi: Wait Goku don->Goku: HAAAAAAAAnd that's how Goku blew up his house.
>>23547 >RT is kill>Toriyama is kill>Miura's death is still fresh >DragonBall is now in the hands of ToyataroRIP. No matter the ups and downs of the series, he and Dragon Ball were icons of anime in general and Shonen in particular.
>No official actually appointed Successor Watch as Mexico's cartels have a 1 day truce before the country descends into a full Civil War. God I hope Oda and Kishimoto aren't next
Also what's gonna happen to Dragon Quest 13 now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pzp3LMm_Hs >>23547The Shonen Jump Obituary has been released in full with responses of other mangaka:
https://www.shonenjump.com/j/2024/03/08/240308_oshirase.html No Dragon Balls to revive him bros… I just want to go back…
>>23547>subdural hematomaThat’s weird.
Did he hit his head?
>>23550Yeah, took a fall from some stairs I think. He was only fucking 68.
I wish Toriyama lived to 100 he died too young.
>>23553>Miura - 54>Tori - 68>Average Male Life Expectancy in Japan - 84 What the fuck.
As a side note it's some bitter irony that Tori died in 2024… Year of the Dragon.
>>23555>>23558Tori's death literally derailed /pol/'s thread about the State of the Union and it's catalog is full of Dragon Ball OPs. Every shitter trying to bitch about Mexicans and Blacks being (supposedly) the only ones liking Dragon Ball has gotten massive backlash, it's kinda funny to watch Tori's death indirectly fuck /pol/ over for a day.
>>23561Goku would hate chinlets
>>23555>>23558oh em gee le funny numbers :-DDDDD
>>23564You do realize that GETS are some of the oldest parts of imageboard posting, yeah? Before it went to shit, that's what gave GETchan its name
Saying for offtopic
my love for Dragon ball has been gone for a long time, but i will still cheerish it, thank you my uygha Toriyama for making a part of me.
>>23585>which makes me wonder why he kept reviving the Prince). To rob him of the peace of death and continue to torment him, obviously.
Does anyone remember the dbz fansite Planet Namek?
>>23598I remember it from a while back, I miss the days when big fandoms had their own self-made sites and forums, now it's all on larger forums and imageboards.
>>23554It may be stress induced by the industry.
>>23617Yes, Karoshi, I and others discuss it in the animator thread (See
>>617 ), however Toiryama was pretty well off at this point, he's not as active a participant as he used to be and isn't on crazy schedules any more, he can afford it.
Heh, looks like you haven’t read your theory anon!! And you dare to call yourself a communist, well ignorance isn’t a crime, so I will forgive your transgression and educate you, but remember! I will educate you only once next time you will pay for your ignorance!
Namekian society has already achieved communism a loong time ago! In fact that is why they were able to create the dragonballs. You see the namekian society has been unified a long time ago, we don’t see it but they have interstellar travel and global world peace, namekian peoples also do not work for wages and don’t have private property!! They spend their free time for art.
I mean I think Namekians are sort of primitive communists already, they live in communities and other than the elders who are simply guides, most of them live in harmony, taking care of one another like a communal village.
>>23562Not even hate, they'd be beneath him, not even worth his time or hatred.
>>23585Man this scene was such a satisfying beat-down of Vegeta, especially with how puffed up he was throughout the arc and how much of a shit-head he was to his own son. Literally the encapsulation of Fuck around and find out. Made Android 18 even more attractive as a character.
>>23583Why does everyone here have a name
If they were communists they would have defeated freezer
>>24047namek do not have global peace nor interstellar travel tho. namekians are constantly oppressed by Frieza's Force because of the dragon balls lmao
the planet is an archipelago of islands so the villages have no communication with each other and live separately
>>24088They can fly though and communicate telepathically I think
>>24089>>24089yeah but only a small % of them can do it
>>24091I think they're all capable of telepathy because of their antennae, though the ability to fly is a Ki technique.
It's telepathy necessary for the formation of communism?
>>24111Yes. Under communism everyone is capable of telepathy
>>24108I think the antennas are for better hearing tbh
>>24114I know that humans can learn it but I think its inherent in Namekians, but I may be wrong.
>>24113>Antennae on the forehead for better hearing Where'd you
hear that for Namekians?
>>24121Pilaf told Mai and Shu (his servants) that there was no point in whispering to him, since King Piccolo would hear anyway. Piccolo cut off his own antennae and ears so that Gohan could whistle to weaken Lord Slug as well. Also Piccolo told me himself
>gather all the balls of the dragon
>you have 1 wish
>ask for universal communism on all planets for all species
done
>>24129this weak ass dragon cant do that
>>24128>Also Piccolo told me himselfWhere'd ya meet him?
>>24132But piccolo's Asexual
or at least that's what Chichi tells Goku >>24133Why did i met him in a gay bar then, huh?
>>24146He was looking for Vegeta on Bulma's request.
>>10589Frieza hands typed this post.
>>24525Yep, good thing the Mexican people did not give a flying fuck.
>>24519Chad Mexicans watching anime on big stadium screens while in a traffic jam. Wish my country had those, such a based way to introduce more people to anime. Fuck copyright.
>>2918>get into this seriesKids more often than not get one of the games and learn the plot through its story mode
>>2912>Who the hell is even the target audience for this cringeworthy shitshow these days?It may surprise you but shonen anime is aimed at 12yos. Real grown men only watch One Punch Man and Gushing Over Magical Girls. Obviously.
On a serious note, DBS is just a corporate slop that exploits the popularity of its franchise by this point. Same happens with Disney's franchises now actually, it's just capitalism.
>power level thread
Imagine being 12.
>>27369Nah. I’ll call out how unimaginably weak an entire species is in a show dedicated to constantly showing spectacles of how strong these self proclaimed gods among men are. Not a single one could touch Simon the digger.
I didn't read the manga post-Z but it is in fact gorier there, Gohan's slaughter of the Cell Jrs for example
>>27714The difference being how Invincible spends a lot of time going into Vitrumite culture and how it personally effects its soldiers whereas Frieza was always conceived as goofy capitalist villain number 35
It's a lot harder for me to be personally horrified by something so inhuman as something painfully human likes the Viltrumites are and while you could argue Vegeta's place in the arc serves that purpose that's more the exception to the rule
>>27716Nah. The sheer vileness of freiza is nothing spectacular and knowing that there are people like him make him far more (unfortunately) realistic. There are so many mentally weak people that do awful things purely because they are not strong enough to be better or view themselves as being responsible for poor decisions.
>>27847Like fuck, apparently the reason why the freiza force exterminates entire planets just to sell off the celestial bodies was inspired by how the author of the series saw real estate speculators as people that would well “evict and sell off homes.” Freiza was also written at the time of the Japanese economic collapse on top of this.
I read the whole manga as a kid but when I tried watching Kai recently I thought basically every episode was twice as long as it needed to be. But then I think that about most anime. So much overwriting.
>>27879Yeah he's the rare example of someone who benefited from Super's writing at all besides a number boost
>>27880Thats why I say "read the manga".
>>27714>The only reason why dragon ball isn’t invincible tier levels of fucked up at this threshold is the lack of blood, injuries, and gore in the game. Otherwise, this series—especially this maniac—is far more over the top.I watched Dragonball and Z as a kid. I never understood any of it. I dunno, that anime just seemed kinda boring with endless long fight fests. Like wrestling. And it's mainly just staring at the opponents and planning end-game punches
>>27891Watch DBZ kai
The pacing in that version is a lot better and covers the manga content a lot more consistently since it cuts the filler episodes and a lot of filler scenes.
Anyways, going back to the second half of your post, my grip with the series is how emotionally weak a lot of the characters are at the start compared to how physically strong they are. Characters somehow keep falling for the same sudden increases in their opponent’s power; no one learns to fucking help their friends from being tortured by dudes like nappa, buu, and freiza in the face of overwhelming power which makes characters feel mentally weak and stagnant; also I still think the decision to make characters try to take on villains like cell, freiza, and the androids solo even after it’s proven routinely since as early as the freiza saga on namek that that shit never works is genuinely infuriating.
As a kid, you might not understand DBZ. But as an adult, you really begin to get mentally worn by watching the protagonists and reformed villains keep getting their asses kicked, Goku acting like a kid and not killing off his opponents, gohan and krill if getting trashed every episode, vegeta getting tortured, piccolo never seeing namek fully heal from the atomstpheric collapse and freiza’s invasion, and Yamcha never amounting to anything. It fucking sucks to watch man
>>28211Also, images like this makes me so fucking angry with Goku like you wouldn’t believe just off the fact that that’s his dad and he knows what happened and he doesn’t change. This guy barely takes any fight fucking seriously even as late as his encounter with super saiyan broly. He never goes all out at the start and doesn’t have the killer instinct and will of vegeta, he’s so unimaginably sensitive to pain and minor discomfort and you can tell by how frequently he finds himself standing from blows I’ve seen exponentially weaker anime characters in the dragon ball universe and other anime universes casually shrug off. I’m so glad that the guy can be bothered to learn to use his teeth, but fuck man, at least a guy like guts from berserk or Damien Wayne from DC comics learned to go all out and beat the ever loving shit out of villains ruthlessly.
Goku is still mentally a kid fighting his enemies even in his forties.
>>28212>>28211Chi chi was the dumb woman for wanting marry him and sire his child
>>28211>>28212
>Anyways, going back to the second half of your post, my grip with the series is how emotionally weak a lot of the characters are at the start compared to how physically strong they are. Super strength doesn't mean invincibility.
>Characters somehow keep falling for the same sudden increases in their opponent’s power; no one learns to fucking help their friends from being tortured by dudes like nappa, buu, and freiza in the face of overwhelming power which makes characters feel mentally weak and stagnant;Like Sakura Haruno from Naruto?
> also I still think the decision to make characters try to take on villains like cell, freiza, and the androids solo even after it’s proven routinely since as early as the freiza saga on namek that that shit never works is genuinely infuriating. Idk any of the characters specifically.
I haven't watched Dragon ball or Z since 2003-05.
And I probably don't care to start again.
>>28246Physical strength != mental strength. No one in the series has a lot of courage and resilience to pain necessary to deal with villains like cell. Like cmon. Count how many times in that saga you see a saiyan collapse from a knee strike while cell is casually regrowing entire limbs back from energy blasts casually without breaking a sweat, or freiza somehow flying despite being cut in half and only being provided enough ki from Goku just to stay breathing. The protagonists (except tien, Yamaha, not krillin, and piccolo) are exceptionally weak.
>sakuraSakura was not useless. She stayed out of most fights in the second half of the series and did a lot of recovery work to help injured fighters return and surpass their strength. Plus, she did slot on her end to help in fights directly anyways and is crazy strong herself.
>idk the characters specificallyWatch dbz kai. The pacing of that edited show is much better, you can find the episodes for free on archive.org, and there’s no filler
>>28253>Sakura was not useless. She stayed out of most fights in the second half of the series and did a lot of recovery work to help injured fighters return and surpass their strength. Plus, she did slot on her end to help in fights directly anyways and is crazy strong herself.This.
A lot of people hate on Sakura for being "useless" just because she doesnt have super powered ffense attacks like Sasuke and Naruto.
But I think it's mainly because she simps for Sasuke even though in the pre-Shippuden series, around the second half, Sasuke was getting his ass handed to him.
And yet she patronizes Naruto, a lot of it justified though.
>Physical strength != mental strength. No one in the series has a lot of courage and resilience to pain necessary to deal with villains like cell. Like cmon. Count how many times in that saga you see a saiyan collapse from a knee strike while cell is casually regrowing entire limbs back from energy blasts casually without breaking a sweat, or freiza somehow flying despite being cut in half and only being provided enough ki from Goku just to stay breathing. The protagonists (except tien, Yamaha, not krillin, and piccolo) are exceptionally weak.You're forgetting that in most superhero franchises, whether western or Oriental, the most powerful characters often have emotional weaknesses that can be exploited, the most obvious being their loved ones ' well-being.
I think the OG manga ends in a pretty satisfying way and I consider everything after it to be fanfiction.
>>28511Everything kind of went down the gutter the moment toriyama introduced the kaioken power up. After that it was just transformation after transformation instead of technique, and grit. At least the transformation spam is shockingly less broken compared to other shonen.
Methinks Dragonball went on for too long
Just like how Naruto started to decline in the Shippuden era.
This is why I say that ten years is enough time for a franchise to be complete.
>>28516If not for bleach having that massive hiatus, dragon ball would have the objectively lowest number of episodes throughout its entire runtime out of any other shonen.
>manga is incomplete
It was concluded decades ago. In fact, it was supposed to end after Freeza.
>creator is dead
People die. Old people die.
>recent shows bombed
Super was successful. The two latest movies were successful. Daima had its following I guess.
>writing quality
Was never spetacular. Dragon Ball was for gags and fight coreography. The narrative is goofy.
>>28519DBZ is actually really deep. I think it's my favorite IP in the super hero genre. I didn't really appreciate it until I read the manga. I lost interest in the show with the insane amount of filler.
>>28520It's not "really deep", it's just not shallow either. It's like any story: it has themes and moral messages and shit. When I criticized the narrative I was mostly talking about the plot which is just ridiculous. The characters are fine and there's enough subtext to keep you engaged.
>>28520Dragon ball isn’t really a super hero ip. It fits more into an action archetype as most of its characters don’t primarily try on abilities unique to any specific fighter, and constant traininf means that you don’t have characters whose powers are kept arbitrarily static. You are right about the manga.
Moro arc was objectively some of the coolest shit I’ve read in a while.
>>28520This is why I always tell people to READ THE MANGA!!!
Virtually all anime franchises have better storytelling in the manga format than the television format
And the graphics are better too.
I read Yu Yu Hakusho in Shonen Jump but never watched the anime.
I'm sure the anime wouldn't be as good as the manga anyway.
>>28528YYH anime is alright. HxH is the one that suffers.
>>28528No I will disagree on that. The Naruto anime series is substantially better than the manga just off the fact that ninjutsu spamming is *less* common in the anime compared to the manga. Coincidentally, the anime version of dragon ball is a lot less action focused than the manga which gives the show writers time to flesh out characters toriyama doesn’t care about.
>>28536Ok I will bite.
Naruto and Dragon Ball were good with television adaptation.
And Bleach. And One Piece.
>>28537Agree with all points except for one piece. I cannot stand how bad the overall pacing of the show is in comparison to the manga. It’s not even that one piece has a lot of filler episodes, it’s the filler scenes in the canon material that I can’t deal with. Thank goodness for the fandom creating one pace to deal with the issue.
>>28543What's exactly so bad about One Piece?
>>28548Pacing
Too slow, too many reaction shots, to many flashbacks and unnecessary monologues. Makes scenes take forever
>>28543True, but it depends on the arc. The pacing started to get really bad from the climax of the Alabasta arc onwards. Skypeia's anime was ruined by the bad pacing. Sometimes they did good, such as in the Water 7 portion of the Ennies Lobby saga. I hear Dressrosa, which already had bad pacing in the manga, got even worse in the anime.
>>28528You picked a bad example, the YYH anime looks awesome and has great music.
>>28556So, just like Naruto Shippuden
>>28575Oh god, I never finished that show for how awful the pacing in it was compared to dbs and dbz Kai. After reading summaries on the plot, I was even more disappointed by how lazy the writing was getting with the whole Naruto is actually the son of might-as-well-be god himself asura and he gets a massive fucking power up out of the blue despite never training *that* much harder than any other ninja (let’s be real, he barely trains throughout the whole franchise compared to most generic Shinobi). Never liked that show for how much of a cartoonish self contradicting power fantasy it always was. “Hard work and dedication” my ass. Fucker was born privileged and barely worked a day in his life.
>>28597> (let’s be real, he barely trains throughout the whole franchise compared to most generic Shinobi). Never liked that show for how much of a cartoonish self contradicting power fantasy it always was. “Hard work and dedication” my ass. Fucker was born privileged and barely worked a day in his life.Naruto was not born privileged. But I kinda agree that his training is overestimated.
What I really hate about Naruto is how they make the main character an absolute goofball.
I ironically like the Infinite Tsukyomi version of Naruto much more.
I also hate the constant flashbacks within flashbacks of the Shippuden arc.
And the fight against Madara was like the Vietnam War. A long meaningless bloodbath.
My brother had to skip episodes and I don't even really know how Naruto amd Sasuke broke free and managed to save the day.
Shippuden's saving grace was that the characters were all good looking and had some cool powers.
Speaking of which, I dont know if you noticed but in Naruto,the villians are sexier than the heroes.
>>28598Everyone noticed man. They also have better reasons for their actions than naruto
>>28600Nagato(Pein) is the most justified
His painted toes also are erotic
>>28600I refer to Shippuden as ShitPuddin
dragon ball has fallen, millions must be sent to the other world
is this the dragon ball thread? daima is pretty good, much better than anything super had to offer. also the best way to even keep up with that bullshit is to simply watch a DB youtuber brief you on the latest tankobons because after goku black i tapped out, man. complete shit. toriyama clearly wasn't giving two single fucks about anything, even GT was better, which is why they totally aped the story structure for daima. it's ironic that he died shortly after ripping off the only piece of DB content that wasn't his.
>>28891>daima is pretty goodNo it wasn’t. King Goma’s goofy design doesnt match with his actual personality and no, toriyama cannot pull an oda stunt where obviously goofily designed characters can be taken entirely seriously because toriyama doesn’t have the writing skills as oda. All the action scenes revolved less around martial prowess and each fighter’s personality and more around the transformation bullshit, ki spamming, and VFX overuse fans of the franchise have been complaining about for decades, plus the show retconned a bunch of shit from super for no reason, and they did basically nothing with the power pole’s reintroduction the moment superman saiyan was used. The worst part isn’t even the bad action, the literal toilet humour present in many episodes, or the fact that the show is so cartoonishly sanitized that it would register for kids, it’s the fact that toriyama did his usual stunt by somehow sidelining all the og side characters to write another Goku-centric power up story involving transformation fan service and absurd power scaling as per usual. Seriously, I cannot recall when I saw tien or yamcha even make a visible appearance throughout the entirety of the show.
>>28892>King Goma’s goofy design doesnt match with his actual personality and noit's literally a reimagining of garlic jr lmfao, fake fan
>All the action scenes revolved less around martial prowess80% of the action scenes are brawling without introducing new forms, literally more than anything super has had in like a decade
>and they did basically nothing with the power pole’s reintroductionit's literally stated to be a temporary clutch for goku while he gets used to his child body, did you even watch the show. hell, the pole was reintroduced as a stick hanging master roshi's underwear lmfao, it had 0 gravitas around it. where did you even get the idea that it was going to play a major role in the story. do you watch stuff with your eyes? do you not understand subtext
>the literal toilet humour present in many episodes>cartoonishly sanitizedit's the exact kind of tone DB used to have, do you prefer the sexless sterile autistic goku from DBSuper? Hybis calling vegeta a boob man is more raunchy than anything super has ever had.
>plus the show retconned a bunch of shit from super for no reasonlmfao who the fuck cares, super's introduction of SS god, and an additional upper echelon to the DB pantheon shits the continuity way more and a profoundly essential way. toriyama gave less of a shit with super than with daima. hell i wish daima would have shat on super's continuity even more. just shred it all to pieces because it's total fucking trash.
> it’s the fact that toriyama did his usual stunt by somehow sidelining all the og side characters to write another Goku-centric power up story involving transformation fan service and absurd power scaling as per usualthis has been DBZ for almost half a century. it's such an odd complaint to have. and it has been a lot worse in super. how many ultra instinct forms have we got? like four or five? and goku gets new super powers like casting a giant ghost version of himself for no real reason whenever the plot demands. at least this new transformation reintroduced an old fan favorite form.
>I cannot recall when I saw tien or yamcha even make a visible appearance throughout the entirety of the show.Why do you want more Tien or Yamcha? Their arcs were finished almost three decades ago. Wait, did you actually like the tournament of power? lmfao unreal.
>>28896Fuck yeah I want tien and yamcha back. I don’t give a shit about ss4j. I want to see them doing the work again. I don’t care if their arcs are finished, fucking oda knows how to keep characters relevant to major stories and maintain consistent development. I love those guys to bits, I like roshi, I like piccolo, I wish I saw those guys, but none of them appear. Fucking piccolo doesnt so much as make a second appearance until literally the last fight against Goma.
>>28937When will 2016 end
>>28937>>28941Why do otaku get so mindbroken by the existence of Shinji? Kaworu and Asuka both genuinely loved him,
them dying doesn't make him a cuck.
>>28899because oda isn't making shit up as he goes along, he actually has a huge overarching story more or less establishehd, whereas DB was supposed to end three decades ago. if you're even an oda fan, you should at least recognize what daima is doing, in trying to reconcile scattershot garbage ideas into a coherent universe with an actual arc and sense of direction beyond people wishing to be the strongest in the universe over and over so goku can fight them
>>28972>huge overarching storydoes it really need over 1100 chapters and counting
>>28973i dunno, i dont read that shit
>>28509Goku died on Namek.
>>28973Honestly, yes. One piece is a huge world with a lot of stuff happening that one reasonably couldn’t cover in anything less than a thousand chapters. You know how many fights and major events in the post timeskip have happen offscreen just so that the plot can even advance? And people are still complaining that the series is too long.
>>28918>character development>we should learn to team up with space hitler!!lmao you can't be serious, hell you know which character has a more poignant presence? ribrianne, a literal filler character has more development than anyone on the main cast. what a joke.
>>28992She literally doesnt develop at all in both the anime and manga what are you smoking? The only idea she has changed are her ideas on what love means and that was in the anime where she had way more screen time than she deserved. Otherwise, she was kept around because her abilities are unique and because she was shockingly stronger than most of the other fighters at the tournament.
>>28993ribrianne is a good idea for this arc because she's the literal super hero of her own home world, and she ends up eating dirt and accepting her failure which leads to the erasure of her universe, everyone in her home planet was witnessing, she even has to turn around and be like "welp we tried our best but we're all dying anyway". it's like goku contacting everyone to build a spirit bomb and then fucking losing. it's not like it matters because there was 0 expectation of goku's universe not winning and wishing for a return to the status quo, so shit like this has no weight whatsoever with plot that is literal vomit, but there is more pathos there than anyone ever got in ToP.
>>28996 (me)
honestly the best moments in DBZ is when goku eats shit, not when he gets beaten around until the next zenkai boost, but when he fails due to a literal character flaw and has to burden the failure, like when he lets off radditz's tail. it's too bad that toriyama forgot all about writing because he was going senile.
>>28997I’ll admit, raditz sounded convincing and even I wanted him to live if it meant seeing something with the saiyans go somewhere. At least the idea that saiyans are coming back to relevance with cabba’s introduction hints at an actual overarching plot in the making. I wonder what toyatoro will do with all the world building toriyama left behind. What with the multiple universes, black frieza thing, there being a surviving saiyan race out there, angels having in universe responsibilities past training destroyer gods, etc..
>>28999I really think they have something cooking with daima with all that shit about supreme kais being from the literal demon realm attending to the god of creation, which contrasts nicely with angels attending to the gods of destruction, subtext being that zeno is not the supreme being, but the supreme being of destruction. it really seems like they want to make El Grande Padre a thing.
>>29000I’m more interested in seeing what they do with gohan, merus, and the other universes.
the show is an 80s neoliberal ronald reagon allegory. the humorous parts at least
>>29341Man the people on this site just write anything to posts they don’t understand
Dragon Ball, at its heart, was a sci-fantasy wuxia/xianxia series
Toriyama was a big fan of Hong Kong martial arts movies so I know what you mean. There's a lot of shit in anime/manga that looks like cartoon nonsense to us but is rooted in some deep cultural context, like people complaining about Naruto ninja not being "real" ninjas when they're pretty much how Japanese culture described ninjas for centuries
>>29299I've genuinely heard people in the know say that the "fight world" in the 20th century was kind of like Dragon Ball and other fighting anime of the time but in real life.
It’s just a butchered and japanwashed Journey to the West, it has the exact same powercreep as Chinese fiction
>>29367Holy shit it’s like the show was based of a legend of a monkey with a staff. Almost like the name “son Goku” of an alien creature wielding a staff that changes shape based on his will and also transforms into a giant primate may have been influenced by something that actually exists in human mythology
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