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Why are goblin slayer fags such cucks?
They literally defend and unironically like a series where pure maidens get gobbed
It's unironic cuckshit

>>15700
TBH I always thought the Orcs were meant to be german.
NTA

>>15700
>This already got debunked in the LOTR thread by multiple people explaining at length that the only racial allegory to be found are by those people that project their ideologies onto this.
Fantasy races aren't inherently racist, but a fantasy race that's inherently evil definitely has racist overtones. It's a setting where /pol/ style race realism is the truth of the world.

>>15703
>It's a setting where /pol/ style race realism is the truth of the world.
Except it isn't /pol/-style racism coms from false caricaturization, a poor understanding of societal dynamics and pseudo-science. There is nothing to misinterpret in these stories: It's a monster that has no redeeming qualities, nothing more or less. Racial overtones are projection by racist viewers.

>>15701
>defend and unironically like a series where pure maidens get gobbed
<proceeds to ignore the series making sure to see the horrific nature of rape and its divorcement from "le rape doujins"
<proceeds to ignore most of the series focusing on eliminating goblins and their threat
LMAO

>>15702
I mean it makes some sense - ruinously industrious, rule by law and destructive expansionist behavior.

>>15704
>the series making sure to see the horrific nature of rape and its divorcement from "le rape doujins"
while the manga kinda does that,the anime direction is litterally shot like an hentai.

>>15706
>/pol/ style meme about triggering le libs
<everymeme is /pol/!
<leftypol doesn't troll libs
Lurk moar.

>>15707
>the anime direction is litterally shot like an hentai.
That's on the anime industry, and even then it's still far too horrifying for anyone that doesn't already have /d/-tier taste.

>>15708
>not liking genocidal might is right power fantasies is lib
I'm not sure about that son, there's plenty of hate surrounding AoT on this here board as well

Ah yes another "We must own the libs even if this just makes us side with libs of a different kind." episode.
Why not read dorohedoro or something that isn't total mediocre bullshit?

>>15708
>Lurk moar.
youre defending a shitty anime that came out recently lmfao

>>15709
>genocidal might is right power fantasies
<projecting liberal interpretations
>AoT
Because AoT is between 2 human factions, Titans may lose their minds but the main characters on both sides are consciously making their choices and justifying their ideologies. Thus you can actually criticize a depiction of genocide because its actually genocide in this case.

>>15710
>We must own the libs even if this just makes us side with libs of a different kind
<If /pol/ likes something that someone else also may like that means they're /pol/
Amazing logic. I guess people better start leaving this site because the majority of /pol/ doesn't support Ukraine and mocks liberals for doing so!
>mediocre
<hurr you can't enjoy something that isn't le art-house!
Also Dorohedoro is not that good either, stop derailing to dick-measure like a teenager about "my favorite sho is better!" when that isn't the object of discussion here.

>>15711
>defending a shitty anime that came out recently
<jumping this hard in rage over a meme and a discussion
LMAO
1) Goblin Slayer came out years ago at this point
2) Your opinion is noted, now do yourself a favor and stop replying if you have nothing constructive to say.

Another thread derailed by channer retards.

>>15713
Ye best start believin in chans, mate. You're on one.

>>15718
this is an imageboard, "chan" is what retards started calling them

>>15704
I've read the manga it's literally no different than a shindol or asanagi doujin
Unironically kill yourself you cuckshit loving retard

I don't really care that the goblins are inherently evil
Not every evil being needs to be nuanced or be humanized
It's the fact that Goblin Slayer and others always rely on sexual violence against women, or really like to drone on with the fact that women are the ones being killed and brutalized
It's an incredibly bad and sexist way of writing in order to instill a hatred against a villain, or a group of whatever
You ever wonder why they never use the same sexual violence against men?
Instead it's always just men getting quickly killed and that's it, but when it's women they always have to include sexual violence and other shit

>>15725
>You ever wonder why they never use the same sexual violence against men
rather than making the point like this I think it's better to simply say you're tired of sexual violence being cynically deployed in an inane or shallow way, redo of healer meets this criteria of "sexual violence against men" after all (the MC's backstory) but it's in the misogyny hall of fame

>>15725
>>15726 (me)
sorry I'm not trying to do the 4chan thing of nitpicking one small part of your post what you said holds true the vast majority of the time you get these shock rape scenes, especially in shitty isekai manga etc
just wanted to point out that bad writers who thoughtlessly use it with female characters will also thoughtlessly use it with male characters

>>15725
Broke (Goblin Slayer): Sexual violence against women
Woke (Berserk): Sexual violence against boys

schnoz

>>15724
shindol is way better than goblin slayer even in his weakest of days. At least that shit is interesting.
Although comparing it to a boring ass asanagi doujin is also unfair to goblin slayer.
>>15725
I just find the always evil trope to be boring. Unsurprising things are always less interesting than something that is unexpected. We have reached peak anti-2000's/2010's that liking super man over batman because superman is pure is unironically basic-bitch takes again. Let alone backing a lot of the backwards ass love for always evil races, hatred of high fantasy and magic and other such things.

>>15726
>>15729
Now I have not read the entire manga of Redo, but from what I've seen the sexual violence is so ridiculous that it's borderline comedic
I doubt the MC gets treated to the same degree that the women are
There is also the fact that at some point he turns a male character into a woman (futa) that get's gangraped and set on fire in order to get their comeuppance

>>15766
you're right, the overall focus of the manga is absolutely sexual violence against women, but whether the MC was "treated to the same degree" is basically the central conceit (since it's ostensibly a revenge story). like you said, it kind of loses meaning since it's so ridiculously excessive, but he is shown being raped and abused every day for years(?) and retaining PTSD-like symptoms even after getting revenge later
still that's like 5% of the story tops, with 25% being boring lifeless purely functional plot advancement to set up the next rape scene and the other 70% being said sexual violence
compare with berserk, for example, which actually has some substance outside of its R-rated scenes - an actual fucking setting with interesting shit in it, interiority of characters, gestures towards themes - and (at least more often than not (probably)) the sexual violence in the story has a clear dramatic effect outside of "look how EVIL this guy is": farnese is the question, not the horse
>There is also the fact that at some point he turns a male character into a woman (futa) that get's gangraped and set on fire in order to get their comeuppance
it's worse than that, iirc he grows a dick on a lesbian woman and then has her raped, eaten alive, and set on fire

>>15767
>it's worse than that, iirc he grows a dick on a lesbian woman and then has her raped, eaten alive, and set on fire
oh, fun

>>15724
>I've read the manga it's literally no different than a shindol or asanagi doujin
No
>C-cuck
>U-unironically KYS!!!
Go back to 4chan you seething chinlet.

>>15720
>Gate-keeping terms used interchangeably
<having nothing to say but vitriol and pants-shitting
LMAO

>>15725
Do link to the post you are replying to.
>It's the fact that Goblin Slayer and others always rely on sexual violence against women, or really like to drone on with the fact that women are the ones being killed and brutalized
<He doesn't know
If you didn't pay attention, Goblins primarily rape women, because they seek to breed and that requires a woman. Thus goblins kill men that they have no use for, and rape surviving women, making it one of their primary reasons for being the monster they are.
>It's an incredibly bad and sexist way of writing in order to instill a hatred against a villain, or a group of whatever
No, no it is not sexism, nor is it bad. You just don't like it, that's not an objective reason, that's your personal feelings. Compare to Redo of Healer - the series has females rape the MC… so it concludes that the MC totally is justified in mind-raping and physically raping his tormentors, that is a sexist narrative.
>You ever wonder why they never use the same sexual violence against men?
Because people don't want to.

>>15818
>muh objectivity
Your opinions are not objective either. Neither is rape "objectively" bad. It's all opinions. Indeed, in reality a lot of animals reproduce through VERY forced copulation (although it's not really rape because the animals don't really have a concept of consent). But that's nature. Fiction is invented, and it's up to the author to decide what to put in the story, especially a fantasy story. The goblins could have simply reproduced like a normal humanoid, or they could spawn from fungus like 40k orks. Making them reproduce by raping human women was a deliberate choice. That much is an objective fact.

Hell, the goblins could have been an all-female race that reproduces by raping human men. This would actually make more sense.
>some species have evolved IRL to be all-female (whiptail lizards)
>a species' own body would be better suited to incubating their offspring
>less incentive for humans to attack you, with little reason to kill anyone
>no need for the victim to end up in goblin lair
> >less risk of attracting rescuers
> >less risk involved from not transporting the incubator by force
> >harder for humans to even find your lairs
>fertility is controlled by the female fertility cycle, so instead of having to wait until female humans start ovulating or trying over and over, female goblins could wait until they hit that part of the cycle to go on raids
And on top of this, female goblins raping men would be a more unusual story and make them seem more alien/monstrous than the kind of atrocities that actual humans have committed all the time throughout history (especially in warfare).

The reality is that Goblin Slayer is just an appeal to sexual fantasies and insecurities and is basically hentai with a pretense of being something else. This wouldn't really be a problem if not for the massive denial of this and the absurd comparisons to other stories that handle similar themes much better.

>>15819
>Your opinions are not objective either
It's not an opinion you dolt, it's the narrative of the story.
>Neither is rape "objectively" bad
Yeah go back faggot.
>a lot of animals reproduce through VERY forced copulation
I'm a bio major specializing in Macrobiology, I know this, i can even name specific examples. Your argument is comparable to the retards saying, "hay look some animals do gay shit too!" and ignore that even more animals commit cannibalism. If you're not understanding the point let me simplify it for you - humans are not ordinary animals, rules of society and ideas of morality and ethics arose from hominid social groups becoming larger and more complex, and repressing harmful animal behaviours. Moreover apes and other intelligent animals like elephants tend not to use rape as a method of mating, only cetaceans do this and even then only some species like Bottlenose Dolphins.
>he goblins could have simply reproduced like a normal humanoid, or they could spawn from fungus like 40k orks
This isn't 40K and you're completely ignoring the point of the story. This isn't e5.
>Making them reproduce by raping human women was a deliberate choice
Yes, no shit, because it's a choice that actually makes narrative sense, FFS. Like I said, you're not actually saying anything, just hand-wringing over your personal feelings about it.
>the goblins could have been an all-female race that reproduces by raping human men
And you reveal yourself MGE player. Female Rape of (adult) Males is often considered less than Male Rape of Females, or Male Rape of Males is due to the power dynamics of sexes: to penetrate vs being penetrated.
>This would actually make more sense
Not really you're just doing the same horny shit every other animu does. I mean yeah you could make an interesting a la your greentext, but that's already a totally different story by that point.
>female goblins raping men would be a more unusual story and make them seem more alien/monstrous
No, no it wouldn't be more monstrous. I suggest you read about the creation of the monster of Alien (1979) and the reason and design of the facehugger and chestburster.
>Goblin Slayer is just an appeal to sexual fantasies and insecurities
No it isn't, and people that claim this are clearly hyperfocusing on a relatively small portion of the actual story. There are scenes of it, but it's as part of the "entered and investigating a goblin hide-out" and that's only a small portion of those scenes and an even smaller portion of the overall story. The "rape" is also not (porno)graphic, it's horrible and not "sexy" or attractive to anyone that isn't a complete cum-brained degenerate.
>the absurd comparisons to other stories that handle similar themes much better.
A Strawman.

>>15819
> all-female race that reproduces by raping human men
isn't this a plot from Konosuba with the orcs ?.

>>15821
>Yes, no shit, because it's a choice that actually makes narrative sense,
You can make any story make narrative sense.
>but that's already a totally different story by that point.
It's the author's choice what story they want to tell, and this mangaka wanted to tell a story revolving around a (((them))) who among other things is "coming to rape our women."

>>15818
>If you didn't pay attention, Goblins primarily rape women, because they seek to breed and that requires a woman. Thus goblins kill men that they have no use for, and rape surviving women, making it one of their primary reasons for being the monster they are.
Wow, an all male race of monsters that reproduce by raping human women? Never heard of that before
It's like you lack reading comprehension or something
>No, no it is not sexism, nor is it bad. You just don't like it, that's not an objective reason, that's your personal feelings. Compare to Redo of Healer - the series has females rape the MC… so it concludes that the MC totally is justified in mind-raping and physically raping his tormentors, that is a sexist narrative.
Do you know what an opinion is? It's seems like you don't
Plus I already talked about Redo already in this thread >>15766
<You ever wonder why they never use the same sexual violence against men?
>Because people don't want to.
Hmmm.. I wonder why that is?

>>15821
>And you reveal yourself MGE player. Female Rape of (adult) Males is often considered less than Male Rape of Females, or Male Rape of Males is due to the power dynamics of sexes: to penetrate vs being penetrated.
Not the same anon, but for a bio major I expected you to be a bit smarter, because you're just supporting my argument
The fact that you and a lot of authors who think that sexual violence against men is less severe, or like to shy away from making it be as intense and severe as they treat female characters is sexist
>I suggest you read about the creation of the monster of Alien (1979) and the reason and design of the facehugger and chestburster.
You do know that this is the same movie that had the male character get raped and impregnated by the face raping monster, right?

>>15821
>Your argument is comparable to the retards saying, "hay look some animals do gay shit too!"
average goblin slayer fan lets the mask slip on being a rightoid

>>15824
>The fact that you and a lot of authors who think that sexual violence against men is less severe, or like to shy away from making it be as intense and severe as they treat female characters is sexist
This is also really obvious from this quote >>15821
>Female Rape of (adult) Males is often considered less than Male Rape of Females, or Male Rape of Males is due to the power dynamics of sexes: to penetrate vs being penetrated.
Penetration isn't what makes rape bad or a sexual participant dominant. This is just sexual ideology about the "nature" of sex, the sexes, and sex organs. The phallus as a tool of domination is a social construct, especially given some of the more unique biological traits in humans, like the lack of a baculum and the positions of either kind of genitals with normal posture.

>>7723
Yes

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that berserk will continue.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/kotaku.com/beserk-manga-continue-kentaro-miura-new-story-kouji-mor-1849027173/amp

LMAO and the shitstorm erupts, predictable

>>15825
No anon, you're projecting again.

>>15823
>You can make any story make narrative sense.
That's not addressing the my point
>this mangaka wanted to tell a story revolving around a (((them))) who among other things is "coming to rape our women."
No, no it is not, that is YOUR projection and completely misrepresents the work through a liberal idpol lens. This has already been addressed before, stop trying to pigeon-hole the story into your boring politicized obsession.

>>15824
>an all male race of monsters that reproduce by raping human women? Never heard of that before
Nobody said it's extremely original, just that it's not as inanely fetishistic as the "cute gobbo women uvu" and other nonsense far more prevalent.
>It's like you lack reading comprehension or something
LMAO the sheer lack of self-awareness
>Do you know what an opinion is? It's seems like you don't
If you're just going to do overly long "N-no U" then I'm not going to respond. As for your linked post about ReDo, it's dismissive and presents a one-sided depiction.
>you and a lot of authors who think that sexual violence against men is less severe, or like to shy away from making it be as intense and severe as they treat female characters is sexist
See you've beautifully created a strawman, conveniently ignoring that I specified in caps Female on Male Rape being lesser to Male on Male and Male on Female Rape. You are deliberately misrepresenting my argument and shifting the goalposts by miles, broadening it from rape to "violence" and to "against males".
Also It's hilarious how you simultaneously dismiss the rape and abuse in ReDo as being "borderline comedic" for the male character, yet have the gall to turn and lecture me for your projected strawman. LMAO go fuck yourself hypocrite.
>You do know that this is the same movie that had the male character get raped and impregnated by the face raping monster
Yes you fucking retarded liberal, the facehugging monster that PENETRATES the male crewmate and infects them with a parasite that then births from their chest. A male being raped and treated in a "female" manner.

>>15826
>Penetration isn't what makes rape bad
No shit, how the fuck do you misconstrue this?
>This is just sexual ideology about the "nature" of sex, the sexes, and sex organs. The phallus as a tool of domination is a social construct
No, no it is not just a social construct, and certainly not some "ideology", stop spouting terms you don't understand just because people on this site toss it around a lot. It is a social construc grounded in real sexual dimorphism and the behaviors of males vs females, by nature of biological differences pubescent and post-pubescent men have higher inherent physical strength and body mass than women and testosterones makes them more aggressive, sexually too. This changes the dynamic. There is a reason "femdom" is a fetish and maledom is not… because it is a sexual norm and is the reason rape is almost always male on female or male on male and far less often in the case of adults female on male. Female on male tends to be more common against children and young adults because an older female actually can have physical and emotional power over them.

>>15829
Because mods like to suck split balls.

>>15831
!??!!?!?!
I'm no mod

this talk about goblin slayer made me thing about it and the only manga i know where goblins are not treated like always evil is the Slime one, never seen one where Orcs are not treated like always bad tho.

>>15833
What's Slime?

>>15834
Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken aka Slime Isekai.

>>15833
>never seen one where Orcs are not treated like always bad tho.
Oh boy it's my time to shill for Orc Stain not manga tho

>>15833
there are a few of them but they're all shitty isekai stories where the protagonist either gets reincarnated as a goblin or is like an orphan raised by goblins, i think it's even something of a trope in the genre

>>15829
>>15831
There's another thread about that >>15587
But right now there's goblinfag derailing shit by trying to legitimize their shitty manga by comparing it to a GOAT manga.

>>15837
i hate isekai because i love the concept so much but most of them are paper thin variations of the same template, even to the town and character design.

>>15840
i feel you, i blame the fucking publishers. why would gigaporky take a risk with an original story when they can put out an LN adaptation of some bullshit where in the worst case scenario it still functions as an advertisement for the source material (which they also own and produce)

How will goblincuck ever recover?

>>15849
By killing all the goblins.