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 No.1822[Last 50 Posts]

Let's see
>Guts is a low ass commoner bastard born from a corpse, meant to die, raised in a hellish world (that's literally just the same as our own before Guts encounters any actual demons) so harsh and cruel he likely has severe PTSD by the time he's 15
>Best friend Griffith is a social climbing piece of shit who has to murder and scheme to almost make it to the top, even then the ruling class tells him to go fuck himself and he has to sell his soul to the devil and murder all his friends to finally make it
>The ruling class are mostly monsters; the King is a pedophile nut that tries raping his own daughter, the "nicest" nobles were wrapped up in a brutal inquisition
>The whole world is ruled by an impersonal, most amoral entity created by human will but superseding all humans, controlling their lives based on it's own whims which are of course encouraged by the worst human impulses
>The thing everyone worships is literally evil itself
>Even the leaders of the apostles are pawns of the Market, err…."Idea of Evil"
Fuck it
The godhand are the bourgeoisie
The apostles are the petit bourgeois
Fuck yea

 No.1823

….You’re all faggots

 No.1824

>>1823
well I can't stand reading or buying manga, and I am not gonna watch the horrible anime adaptation

 No.1825

>>1822
>>The whole world is ruled by an impersonal, most amoral entity created by human will but superseding all humans, controlling their lives based on it's own whims which are of course encouraged by the worst human impulses

liberal storytelling

 No.1826

>Reposting from a leftypol thread on Berserk:

Berserk has flaws, yes, but anything so ambitious is bound to, and none of them come anywhere close to detracting from its well deserved status as a masterpiece. Berserk, though very definitely seinen, does have some small shonen trappings such as Isidro, Schierke, and (perhaps most divisively) Puck, as well as an intermittent stream of puerile jokes, and (I'll get into this later) its edginess, but even if overused at times these serve to expand the range of the story, rather than allowing itself to become too po-faced to feel believable (like FotNS, for instance) without feeling clumsy (like many of FMA's gags).

All of the characters evolve repeatedly and massively over the course of the story, except for Griffith, which drives some of the prime themes; about greatness, dependence on or independence from others, having goals versus merely living, the nature of the human psyche, and of human culture through the lens of human imagination. The fights and battles, while they make up the bulk of pagecount, many of the pivotal moments, and are gripping material, are also accessory to development that occurs while characters travel, meditate, and converse. Perhaps equally important to characters and events in the story, is the world and the increasingly strange things that fill it; a land that is at once wild and brutal even before Fantasia or Eclipse, then increasing peeks into the world of the astral are conceptualized and realized on paper by Miura with an imaginative serenity and nightmarishness matched by few artists.

As to a decline in quality? That is a common opinion, and one I would agree with to a limited extent, especially post-boat. But (assuming this isn't bait, which it probably is) your placing it at the Golden Age arc is unusual even for cynics, when the most popular arc (both at the time, and in retrospect for most discussions I see today from the middlebrow "Star Wars peaked w/ ep. V" crowd) was Lost Children. As for the expansion of the cast, it was necessary to buttress themes of personal healing and trust for Guts, similarly to what happened in the Golden Age, but with the added point of his learning to build up the people he surrounds himself with to become his equals, and attempt to secure his victories in some lasting way.

Now, as to edginess. I named Berserk as an example of something that has depraved content without feeling trashy not because it uses that content for some purpose (which it does), but because it is thematically unapologetic about it. For instance, as visceral and ruthless as some of the content in FMA, Monster, Now and Then Here and There, and Crest of the Stars is, without being trashy/edgy either, they included such content specifically to condemn the behavior that leads to it, pointing toward a future where it can be stopped, as the overall tone of those anime was distinctly, er… Moralfag-y. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is an easier and more appealing type of story to write. Berserk uses extreme content to paint a portrait of characters, situations, and worlds that could not be adequately realized with more restraint, not just to offer moral commentary or judgement on them, but sheerly to portray them for their own sake. In this respect, I would describe Baccano! and Garden of Sinners as similar to Berserk.

 No.1827

>>1826
This isn’t bait dude, I honestly love Berserk, it’s pretty much the only manga/anime I still like (okay, JoJo is great and FMA was great but Berserk sands above). Just wanted a thread to analyze my favorite series.

 No.1828

>>1827
This isn't a response to your OP, its a repost of a lengthy rebuttal against a rather acidic ttack on Berserk a few months ago that I happened to save.

 No.1829

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>>1824
1st anime was actually great (particularly the music), though it only covers the first major arc. Sadly, later anime don't even measure up to 6th-gen vidya adaptations.

>>1825
Liberal storytelling would be if "human nature" was eternally fixed, and struggle against it was futile.

>>1826
>tfw someone reposted my oc
Another section, perhaps more relevant to OP's argument:
>Pre-Eclipse vs. post-Eclipse are different, and part of a larger arc for Guts:
&ltChildhood: Turned into a ruthless merc, won't let others near him, no ambition beyond swangin' his sword & shishkin' d00dz
&ltBand of the Falcon: Learns to enjoy the company of others
&lt3rd duel w/ Griffith: Decides to pursue something higher, looking inward spoiler: This was the wrong choice
&ltRescue arc: Reconnects with his friends, but regresses and stagnates
Eclipse
&ltDark Swordsman: Devastated, but forced to improve again, though he turns completely inward to do this
&ltRebirth: Forced by Casca, then protecting her, to trust others with more than his own life
>At that point, Guts has more than come full circle. He is compelled to advance not only himself, but others around him, to make a permanent dent in the world. This is where the common love of the series by fascists (and accusations of fascism) falls flat, because to this point the moral of Berserk has been that only your own strength can protect you from the ravages of the world, with protecting the weak an ultimately pointless task at best. Beyond it, however, the moral of Berserk shifts to the need not only to make yourself strong, but to transmit that strength to those weaker, and make them strong. This is also where the disconnect from Griffith's false utopia lies, with his regimenting people into followers.

>This is where the common love of the series by fascists (and accusations of fascism) falls flat, because to this point the moral of Berserk has been that only your own strength can protect you from the ravages of the world, with protecting the weak an ultimately pointless task at best. Beyond it, however, the moral of Berserk shifts to the need not only to make yourself strong, but to transmit that strength to those weaker, and make them strong. This is also where the disconnect from Griffith's false utopia lies, with his regimenting people into followers.

 No.1830

>>1822
I just read it during the quarantine and love it too. "The Golden age" and "Lost Children" were my favorite arcs. When I was reading "Black swordsman" I didn't expect Berserk to evolve this much, next arc completely blew me away.

 No.1831

>>1830
Everything changes when you see Guts walking away crying after killing the Count

 No.1832

I dunno OP I think it's not so much that demons sacrificing humans is a metaphor for capitalist exploitation and more that exploitation is justified by the more general logic of human sacrifice. The world of Berserk is literal feudalism, and like any other class system it engages in human sacrifice for war and profit without any demons having to be involved.

 No.1833

Berserk is insanely based and is probably the work of fiction that most influenced me over my life. I'll never forget watching the 97 anime when I was 12 at my best friend's house. We watched the entire thing in one night and I was comatose for the next week. I couldn't think of anything else and it just became a part of me.

It's a shame the manga has become so stale and drawn out. Even now that things are happening the years of hiatus and filler more or less destroyed my enthusiasm for new chapters. I've decided I'm literally not touching Berserk until it's finished or Miura dies. Nevertheless, I'm incredibly grateful to have experienced it, and the ambition to create something to match or even surpass it is the driving force in my life.

 No.1834

>>1833
Berserk after the loli witch was introduced is a complete, utter and irredeemable shit. So, you can safely catch up on it until that ark and consider it done.

 No.1835

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>>1834
Pic unprocessed

 No.1836

>>1834
This.
By that point in the story I kind of felt it had turned into your average weebshit.

 No.1837

>>1834
>>1836
Yeah, I'm caught up actually. The sheer inertia kept me going through the "companion adventure" bit but now it's just become too much. It's hard to care anymore because Miura gives the impression that he doesn't care himself, or that he's just out of inspiration and is just buying time to figure shit out.

 No.1838

>>1837
I like the companion adventures, the problem is there’s literally 6-8 months between each and every issue now and it’s hard to be invested in a story when that’s the case; there’s so much time between every issue that you just wanna see something actually happen instead of just character interactions and development and shit. Berserk could have been over by now were it not for constant hiatus.

 No.1839

>>1822
> Is Berserk the most based and redpilled anime
No, but it has good moments.

 No.1840

I feel like Berserk had a good idea but went way too hardcore and gory just for an edgy EXTREEEEEMEEE factor

 No.1841


 No.1842

>>1841
This thread was posted long before /anime/ was created to divide up discussion from a board barely anybody uses to a board that nobody uses

 No.1843

>>1842
whine more, this is an anime thread, hence it goes in anime. The commie waifu thread is older than fucking hobby is and it still got moved there too.
And as for "nobody uses it" anime has a higher PPH than hobby, mostly for threads originally made there.

 No.1844

>>1822
I think this may better belong on anime, but there is already a thread there with Berserk (though lower in quality).

 No.3470

>>1833
> Nevertheless, I'm incredibly grateful to have experienced it, and the ambition to create something to match or even surpass it is the driving force in my life.

I hope I get to see it, comrade.

 No.3471

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So Nietzschean! So communist! The author of this Japanese comic must share my political views, otherwise I'd be unable to enjoy it!

 No.3472

>>1840
Did you just read the first 10 chapters or something?

 No.3487

>>3471
>>3472
What’s it like being an utter faggot by choice?

 No.3488

>>3487
Hey man, have you thought about making a YouTube channel, or a "BreadTube" channel as I like to calll them, haha? You could talk about your marxist analysis of Berserk and other Japanese cartoons a.k.a. anime, how Guts is the proletarian and Griffith is the bourgeoisie and stuff. Cool stuff.

 No.3535

Since it wasn't reposted yet

 No.3901

It definitely seems overtly Neitzchean to me but I'm lost as to how you would could it marxist without sounding like a dumbass. The show never really makes much of class conflict in any meaningfull capacity, it's mostly just set in a shitty and unforgiving world. Hell, if anything the politics of the world that Berserk is set in are machiavellian. That suits the world better too imo, needs society to continue on being harsh. Honestly the main character would laugh in your face for trying to make the story about your own preconceptions of the world.

 No.5774

>>1834
Bruh one of the central themes of the story is that being alienated and alone is bad because you get stuck reliving trauma and fighting individual battles. Guts realizing he needs a group of people to work with is so central to the story that it happens twice. The band of the hawk allows him to be part of something bigger than individual fights (until Griffith sacrifices it all for individual personal gain), and the current group looks like it's going to confront and fight the godhand and help fix the world finally.

>>3901
The world isn't capitalist at all so trying to apply Marx to it is kind of dumb, yeah. Histmat doesn't really apply either because of CAUSALITY being actually magic reality warping. You could call perhaps call Griffith a reactionary though because he's trying to revive a dead ancient empire. The series is also very much into great man theory with the vast majority of characters being borderline irrelevant playthings of the few people who can actually affect the story. A lot of the "great man" characters are regular people though, so there is that.

 No.5972

berserk is like the simpsons, good for first few seasons, horse shit afterwards

 No.6325

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>>1833
>I've decided I'm literally not touching Berserk until it's finished or Miura dies.

 No.6708

>>1824
the old 3 movie adaptation is pretty good

 No.7598

rip

 No.7599


 No.7600

>>7599
>>7598
holy shit

 No.7601

man

 No.7603

>>1834
Well I don't feel so bad that the news now
i thought beserk was one of those tough guy anime? why does it have pedoshit in it

 No.7604

>>3471
Yes.

 No.7605

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We memed too hard, bros.

 No.7606


 No.7608

rip miura

 No.7609

>>7605
Yeah, Rip.

I didn't even think the quality everyone dipped as much as every says it did post Conviction arc.

 No.7612

Rip, great manga

>>7603
>pedo shit
>Having children in your story makes if pedophilic,
This is your brain on anti porn.

 No.7614

File: 1621524703605.png (1.2 MB, 1071x628, one last time.png)

F

 No.7615

>>7612
>>Having children in your story makes if pedophilic,
nice strawman pedo

 No.7616

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>>7615
why is femto naked

 No.7617

in before pedo hysterics ruin the thread

 No.7618

>>7617
I was just kidding when I called that guy pedo but his strawman was really retarded
All the other anon did was casually drop the word "pedoshit"

 No.7619

So is Berserk one of the best manga of all time?

 No.7620

>>7619
If not the best, then the most influential

 No.7621

>>1833
>I've decided I'm literally not touching Berserk until it's finished or Miura die
I shared this sentiment until today.

 No.7622

>>7619
possibly

 No.7623

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 No.7624

>>7623
He probably literally worked himself to death. If he had been willing to let his assistants draw more of the manga instead of just minor background details, he might still be here.

 No.7625

>>7624
You're right, it is the assistants' fault for being too incompetent to be trusted with his magnum opus.

 No.7626

>>7625
No it's the fault of the culture surrounding manga creation, how much pressure mangaka are under to work and how people's identities are tied to their art.

 No.7627

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 No.7628

I honestly can't feel anything but anger over this. What kind of egotistical asshole strings his audience along for decades and then dies before concluding his story?

 No.7629

https://www.otaquest.com/kentaro-miura-interview-duranki-berserk/
now that the miura has settled, will it finally be completed?

 No.7630

>>7624
Dude he was playing [email protected] every day.

 No.7632

>>7628
George R. R. Martin (some day soon)

 No.7633

>>7628
>ywn read the end of crayon shin chan

 No.7640

>>7633
>ywn read crayon shin chan
i don't think it's even translated

 No.7641

>>7624
>>7625
It sounded like his messed up his constitution from overwork in the 90's, he probably didn't have many assistants back then.

 No.7650

>>7615
It's not a strawman because that's your retarded argument. Presenting someone naked isn't pornography, all it is is just presenting a child in a naked state which can be used to present a theme like innocence, similar to angels being presented as naked babies.
Next time, instead of projecting your guilt of jerking off to cp, think of what you're saying

 No.7651

>>7633
Shinchan and Berserk are actually the same universe. Think about it.

 No.7652

>>7650
you don't even know what that anon was talking about when they said "pedoshit" (or how serious they wer about it)
you were replying to someone who was replying to someone complaining about the witch though
besides I don't agree that just having a naked child makes it pedophilic, at all

 No.7656

/a/'s project the past day: https://files.catbox.moe/7y0mgk.png

 No.7665

>>7656
Hey, that's pretty cool.

 No.7666

looks like they continuing it

https://twitter.com/MRko_aki___/status/1395581370328489985
https://duranki.fandom.com/wiki/Studio_Gaga

it's too much of a cash cow for hakusensha and studio gaga

 No.7667

>>7666
Berserk fans are so desperate they're going to initially see this as a win.

 No.7669

already missing him bros

 No.7677

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 No.7691

File: 1621746635132.jpg (263.99 KB, 1200x1529, 1621745937030.jpg)

Leave Berserk to me.

 No.7694

So lads, how do you reckon Berserk would have ended?eurekaEureka

 No.7704

>>7694
It wouldn't have.

 No.7708

>>7694
Guts was supposed to die

 No.7710

>>7694
guts+skeletor eventually managing to defeat at least griffith, or mb bypass him entirely and fuck up the idea of evil
or if he was as based as some think, literally create a competing narrative with the help of skeletor to replace the idea of evil with something actually good for humans

 No.7711

>>7694
>>7710
>literally create a competing narrative with the help of skeletor to replace the idea of evil with something actually good for humans
Really it's Griffith who is more on track to do this, and it would possibly create a dilemma where Guts and Skull Knight still have a score to settle, but doing so would threaten the new causality and send humanity into despair again. Guts even refers to this in either the most recent chapter or one very close to it, saying that Griffith is intent on becoming a god. Griffith is also of course the only mortal (perhaps the only Godhand) who actually knows about the idea of evil, so there's really no way for Guts etc to pull off this plot point unless Skull Knight happens to know somehow. This might be what Miura meant when he said he thought the lost chapter might have been revealing too much. Put into context, even though it's all bought with huge sacrifices of others, Griffith's plan does seem to be creating a radically different status quo and kindling a belief in good. Of course the fact that Griffith is a complete monster and a literal demon is where the drama comes from.

 No.7714

>>7691
What would be Griffith's tax policy?

 No.7716

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Never watched Bersrerk should I watch it now

 No.7718


 No.7722

>>7716
Read the manga. Start at the beginning.

 No.7723

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should i get the rest?

 No.7724

>>7722
I dont read Picture books

 No.7725

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>>7724
A picture's worth a thousand words, and words fail describe the artistic mastery of Miura.

 No.7726

>>7724
You're so grown up.

 No.7736

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How will dark souls continue with it's ghost writer dead?

 No.7737

At least Clive Barker is still alive.

 No.7803

>>7711
Griffith still sacrifice humans to the demons "protecting" the humans though.
That's one of the points that I don't see how you reconcile it with "good" unless you mean the greater good.

 No.7826

>>7803
I don't think Griffith is good at all. I just think he's in a better position to replace the idea of evil. He might even be a worse replacement, but the point is the dramatic irony where the heroes try to stop a true monster from incidentally doing something good.

 No.7914

I actually kind of like Schierke's crush on Gutts. I think it's pretty realistic to a degree if the little witch has been living in the woods with her teacher her whole life then meets this big handsome super anti-hero. What sells it for me being more than wish fulfilment pedobait is that Gutts obviously doesn't think of Schierke romantically and probably isn't even aware of her feelings, and to be fair he's had much more important things to worry about. Considering Gutts own experiences getting raped as a kid, his benign relationship with Shierke and his mentorship of Ishidoro really highlight his growth as a character.

 No.7978

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>>7914
>I actually kind of like Schierke's crush
>guts is a part of wish fulfilment pedobait
pls don't

 No.8234

everyone forgot about miuras death alreadybrocialismBrocialism

 No.8235

>>7914
>monkey boy wants to be like gatsu
>mage loli has a crush on gatsu
i was really hoping for another time skip and see their monkey children raised by fairies

 No.8241

>>8235
Same

 No.9559

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So to speak. More like, how much of Miura's death is due to the consequences of his position in the anime industry?

It's well known that the pace of Berserk releases dropped off as the series went on. How much was the commercial success of Berserk a factor? Early on he was only a mangaka, but by 2021 Berserk isn't just a manga series but a commercial institution. On top of drawing the manga, he has assistants to oversee, toy designs to approve, deals to authorize, etc. All the while his health is deteriorating, working himself to death in order to compete with the insane labor demands of the manga industry, not unlike Osamu Tezuka.

Is Miura being lazy and getting addicted to [email protected] just a useful fiction to cover for the insane level of exploitation, the inhuman workload it takes to try and compete in the anime/manga industry?

 No.9603

>>9559
Miura was a victim of the manga industry working mangaka to the bone. The idolmaster memes are a product of him adopting a more reasonable schedule for the level of work he put into each issue. But given the kind of death he suffered, it's likely he was already fucked by that time. Aortal dissection indicates a huge amount of chronic stress. Unless he just walked away from Berk for several years he was probably bound to slowly decline until a major artery just ripped open. And if he had been able to take the time off and recover he may have been able to come back with a better approach and let the assistants do more work on it.

 No.9710

>>9603
>the manga industry working mangaka to the bone
Capitalism strikes again

 No.9920

the youtuber formerly known as cuck philosophy did a video on Berserk

 No.9921

>>9920
I'm glad they changed their Channel name, the use of Cuck ironically or not, is pretty asinine

 No.9928

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Miura's assistants ended "Berserk" with a "Sorry my bad bro" redemption

 No.9930

>>9928
BOTCHED

 No.9931

>>9928
>>9930
I mean they aren't Miura, so it's excusable, given that it wasn't their story. Now if MIURA had ended it this way…

 No.9932

>>9928
based, griffith 2 did nothing wrong

>>9931
>Now if MIURA had ended it this way…
The only based thing he did :^)

 No.9933

>>9931
I wouldn't trust someone randomly posting one untranslated page, BUT
<supposedly Miura had finished the manuscript, meaning the story/plot was his, but the layouts and dialogue aren't all his
<the announcement in YA is that they still aren't sure if they are going to continue
So whatever this issue has is Miura's in the broad strokes, and it's not a conclusion.

 No.9937

>>9928
Yeah ok that's not at all what happened. This is the beginning of the interaction they have and it comes right at the end of the chapter. Either Griffith's next move is to leave through the magic highway or he has a conversation with Guts + Casca like on the hill of swords (probably the latter). The last panel mirrors one of the last panels of the Black Swordsman arc, as they are both the first time we see either the Black Swordsman or the White Hawk showing an actual emotion. The difference is with Griffith it's not genuine. It's the last remnant of moonboy as he transforms back into Griffith. The point is that he really doesn't have any emotion left, and the only way he feels anything is when he's effectively being possessed by someone else. With Guts it's a crack in the facade of manliness showing that he really is human after all. Also yes apparently this chapter was mostly Miura's work, with the assistants finishing it up for publication.

 No.9959

Well they announced Duranki is officially canceled, but no news on Berserk. This suggests one of these scenarios:
<It's undecided what's going to happen
<They are going to try to finish it
There's no real reason not to announce Berserk's cancelation if that's already decided. My guess is Studio Gaga is moving on from the manga that was created to train them for Berserk and going to try doing Berserk. They will have to figure out the internal structure of how to organize the team for that, and they may lose some of the artists who may have creative differences. Berserks was always led by 1 person with a clear vision, so pivoting to a team-based structure would be logistically challenging. If they are going to continue it will take time for them to figure out their process and might include a trial run like Miura's prototype for Berserk. Even if everyone at Studio Gaga walks out on the project out of respect (which I doubt would align with Miura's wishes), there's too much money to be made on the franchise (especially now), so it's inevitably going to continue. We might see some kind of spin-off or flashback arc before a continuation of the story. It would be appropriate timing considering the parallel between the end of 364 and the end of the Black Swordsman arc pointed out here >>9937

 No.9995

>>9937
>Also yes apparently this chapter was mostly Miura's work, with the assistants finishing it up for publication.
Based, the only based thing miura did is real and cannon
I can't wait for the adventures of new griffith not doing anything wrong

 No.10026

>>9959
imo berserk is way too big and profitable to just be cancelled

 No.10031

>>10026
>[popular anime] is too big and profitable to be cancelled
All things must come to an end some time. A sequel series is out of the question for this manga and the story doesn't have any place left to go really.

 No.10033

>>10031
>>10026
The story is just before shit's about to get real and the creator dying has made it even more notable. The IP owner will want to make more, even if it's just a spinoff showing Rickert getting trained by Silat in whatever's left of the Kushan Empire. Honestly that might be an even more marketable story, much more shonen-like.

 No.10046

>>10033
>story is just before shit's about to get real
Really? And what would be the path the story could take from the most recent chapter?

 No.10515

What made something so grim-dark as Berserk different from as generic edgy anime that came after it? Why is it that, despite the horrifying scenes portrayed, it doesn't come off as unnecessary graphical and fuck up?

 No.10520

>>10046
spoiler obviously
The main 3 characters have all just met up for the first time in like 20 IRL years, and Guts has been preparing to fight Griffith. Miura himself said that their conflict was about to flare up again. The build up at the point where Miura died is implying that the story is approaching the climactic arc, with loose ends beginning to tie up and the stakes of the conflict being reinforced.

>>10515
<Miura wisely put Puck there from almost page 1 to signal to the audience that you're supposed to see the violence and go "wow that's fucked up" instead of "wow that's cool"
<The horror takes a massive toll on all the characters, especially the dark and edgy protagonist when normally those guys are just psychopaths.
<All the horrors happen because characters are driven to despair which gets spelled out in the lost chapter by the IoE, with the violence being played for pathos not for how cool it is. The point of the violence is that many characters choose to retreat to solitude and despair rather than accept that bad things happen and take the bad with the good. All the villains choose to sacrifice other people as a coping mechanism, while the heroic characters choose to put themselves on the line to protect others (and each other).
<Guts' character arc over the series as a whole is about realizing that fighting his battles alone and for vengeance causes him unnecessary suffering and that finding a family can heal him and make him stronger than he ever could be alone (which some fans bitch about because they're just there for the violence and edginess)
<The contrast between people's antisocial destructiveness and the healthy relationships serves the purpose of hammering home how important it is to have healthy attachments rather than abusive or exploitative ones.
<The fact that characters who have been through the things that Guts and Casca have been through shows that people can overcome great horrors and trauma. Griffith was always a bitch. The eclipse would have played out the same way if he hadn't been tortured and driven to despair. He always had the Crimson Behelit and was always going to become Femto. If Guts stayed or left it wouldn't have mattered. If Griffith didn't freak out and fuck Charlotte it would have played out the same. The whole thing about his broken body is a distraction from his openly admitted ambition and view of his followers as mere tools. Griffith becoming disabled is about contrasting how his followers' concern for his wellbeing against his disregard for theirs, and for heightening the drama of his ascent to godhood.

 No.10525

>>10520
>spoilers
So essentially an attempt at a final battle.

 No.10526

>>10520
>10515
>how important it is to have healthy attachments rather than abusive or exploitative ones.
Man do I really resonate with this.

 No.10624

>>9920
This his video of his got me into Berserk, I just finished the Golden Age arc, and I was blown away. It was one of the best things I ever read. How does the series fare from now on?

 No.10625

>>10624
I personally liked the arc where guts gets his armor. A lot of people hate the magic loli but thats where dark souls gets all of its inspiration. I actually quite liked the tone change from dark brooding bloody religious warfare to classical high fantasy.
The holy see arc was a little long for me, but I haven't actually read berserk past the first reading.

 No.10626

>>10624
Different people have different opinions. IME it's mostly the "WOW so edgy and dark!" people who don't like it. If that video got you into it keep going. The Golden Age is basically the prologue to the "real" story, and while the rest arguably doesn't reach the same heights as The Golden Age, it gets more mature and sophisticated in every respect in general. Just don't expect everything to build to a big climax like in that arc (yet) because Miura fucking died before he could get that far. His team may pick up where he left off, but as of now that's unconfirmed. The way it is now can work as an ending but there is obviously more that was intended to happen.

Given the final chapters Miura worked on, particularly with the themes of Guts' battles catching up to him and his body starting to deteriorate, relying more on his friends, it would be a serendipitously poignant parallel to the reality behind the manga for Miura's assistants to finish the story.

 No.10627

>>10625
People also complain about what happened to Puck but I unironically love it. He was the morality pet and voice of reason when he needed to be, but once Guts no longer needed that from him, he didn't need to do that any more and could just be one of the boys. It may be "flanderizing" the character but it's a reasonable way for him to grow.

 No.10628

>>10625
>A lot of people hate the magic loli
All of the side characters are important for Guts' character development and serve their own purpose in the story. Shierke is great and an excellent contrast to the characters who went through the trauma wringer. Especially next to Farnese as her pupil she shows what somebody can become when shielded from harm and given what they need to flourish.

 No.10629

>>10627
puck was only needed to guide them to the final arc and I guess comedic relief. comedy is hard to come by without him and monkey boy.
also he became an icon or mascot, so I suppose it would just be plain dumb to axe him.
my only gripe in the end is the party got too big. like wtf is the point of the mermaid? worst character.

 No.10630

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>>10624 (me)
>>10625
>>10626
The dark and broody atmosphere is cool and the action is great but what I really love about the series,besides the Art of course, were characters and the imagery used to in conjunction with the dialogue. My two favorite chapters in the Golden Age arc is "Campfire of Dreams" for the simile of everyone in the Band of the Hawk, Or Falcon, bringing their dreams together under Griffith's massive dream like bringing small flames together to create a massive inferno. And the other being the chapter that Miura retconned out of the story, "The god of the Abyss". Not only for giving insight into Miura's idea on the nature of the world of Berserk, but also how it characterized Griffith.

 No.10631

>>10630
Yeah one of Miura's great talents was as a writer but that tends to go somewhat understated because of the focus on the art. He knew how to convey a lot with just the images and how to use dialogue to really punctuate things.

>>10629
> like wtf is the point of the mermaid? worst character.
Hard to say since there's not that much story yet. She contrasts the other characters in their origins though.

Guts was raised in outright abuse and struggle, and has to re-learn how to survive in healthy relationships.
Casca had the Band of the Hawk but was traumatized by a specific bad experience that fucked her up.
Isidro grew up on the mean streets figuring things out for himself but learning a sort of "toxic masculinity" as a result. He's mentally well but a bit maladjusted socially.
Shierke grew up with a strong nurturing environment, but also one that was stifling to a degree, so she can form healthy attachments.
Farnese grew up a child of privilege, benefiting from systemic power, which taught her to be an abuser, but she was able to get better (IMO one of the best parts of the story).
Serpico grew up an enabler who has little personality to himself initially but becomes more independent over time.
Isma by contrast is practically a feral child, who spent the character-relevant part of her youth away from people, so most of these dynamics are foreign to her and she is a bit of a "blank slate" so to speak. This is partly why she appears irrelevant IMO – what makes her different is not having much going on in this respect. But we don't know yet what Miura was going to do with her and the rest of the party. My guess is it's another angle to explore relationship dynamics and she and the others would continue to grow based on their interactions. I already see a bit of this in the moment where she jumps into the sea to save Isidro, in something of a role-reversal which she's completely unconscious of because she hasn't internalized society's expectations. I think there would have been more moments for her to shape Isidro's views of women for the better, among other things.

 No.11051

My thoughts on an ultimate resolution to Berserk:

I kept expecting Miura to do a chapter where he pulls the rug out from under us regarding Griffith's new world order. You know, everything looks happy and good on the outside, but then we get a chapter where one of the prostitutes gets rounded up by demons and brought to the rape pits where they breed the babies that the demons in Griffith's army eat. Instead he's directly contrasted with the Kushan empire where the emperor is sewing women together to make artificial demon-enfusing wombs to possess human fetuses with demon souls and eradicating the entire midland population type shit. Kushan creates mindless monster slaves, while Griffith has knights that possess degrees, or at least the capacity, for gallantry. I think it all was exactly what it looked like: an Arthurian utopia where all the previous society's ills were eliminated and the ideal Feudal society is created. The Fisher King is on his throne, everything is prosperous, the aristocracy deserve their positions, and the knights are just as strong and gallant as the stories say.

There've been hints that this has happened before in the past. IIRC, the Skull knight has been implied to be Gutt's predecessor in some capacity, and that the last golden age ended in a conflict between that era's legendary knight and the emperor.

I think what Miura could have been building towards was that causality was at the root of this cycle, and that Femto/The Millennium Falcon are part of the deal. You have 100 years of darkness, and then you have 100 years of light, but as long as causality reigns, it goes on like this forever. From the changes that Gutts has been going through as a character, I think that parallel's Griffith's changes too. Gutts could get revenge on Griffith, but what would be the point? It's not the same Griffith, and that ultimate act of evil gave birth to the new age of prosperity. It lasts as long as Griffith does, and Gutts has to choose between momentary utopia or the chaos of self determination where everyone has free will and the possibility both for escaping the cycle or succumbing to it.

 No.11066

I genuinely believe berserk has the best anime ending theme of all time.

 No.11088

>>11066
Best OST in general tbhimofam

 No.11096

>>11051
Griffith's new order isn't a utopia. When he merged everything he put the whole world into the same basic situation that Guts was in during the Black Swordsman arc. Basically everything is the Interstice now. We see what Falconia is like and how everything is great there, but outside of it people are constantly under threat. If there was going to be a rug-pull moment my money is on Rickert going with Silat to the (former?) Kushan Empire and seeing the devastating results of Griffith's actions. We've already seen this to a degree with Guts' party although it doesn't exactly stand out to us because for Guts things haven't changed much.

>I think what Miura could have been building towards was that causality was at the root of this cycle

I think that's very likely. Especially given how much Miura has been emphasizing the physical toll on Guts. I would say 363 and 364 have been really emphasizing what kind of life Guts could have if he walked away from his dedication to just fighting Griffith and the apostles the way he's been doing. His current path is self-destructive (to say nothing of its effects on other people), and it's not even necessarily going to solve the problem. The parallels being made between Guts and Skull Knight are well developed at this point. It might be dramatic and tragic for Guts to simply follow in his footsteps, but that wouldn't fit with the whole thing about Guts (and Casca and moonboy) being somewhat outside of causality's influence. How they would do that is another question. Hopefully Miura at least left notes on it.

>that ultimate act of evil gave birth to the new age of prosperity. It lasts as long as Griffith does, and Gutts has to choose between momentary utopia or the chaos of self determination where everyone has free will and the possibility both for escaping the cycle or succumbing to it.

I think it makes more sense for the way out to be to pull more and more people out of the cycle of causality (which also parallels cyclical trauma) by growing his party, with he and his comrades being a sort of crack in the system that slowly spreads and gets bigger until enough people embrace his alternative worldview.

It doesn't get a lot of emphasis largely because the main thing is in the "lost" chapter that Miura redacted but Guts is unknowingly the antithesis of the Idea of Evil. Most people in the setting believe that the world is basically a bad and dangerous place which is ultimately what empowers the Godhand and apostles. Guts and his party have learned to take the bad with the good instead of justifying the bad and becoming attached to it. The same logic of the Idea of Evil is what underpins Griffiths (not) utopia: the sacrifice at the Eclipse was evil but necessary evil. People suffer and want reasons for their suffering, but justifying suffering begets more suffering. While Falconia is a nice place the outside world is under constant siege by demons. It seems justified because it's seen as the necessary cost of having Falconia. The people living there might be safe and taken care of, but they still live in fear (particularly of the outside), so they remain childlike and stunted by Griffith's protection.

Contrast Guts and friends, who do not live in fear or excuse the suffering of the world, but accept it as part of life as a struggle. Unlike Griffith's subjects (who live in subservience to Falconia), they are free to self-actualize because they recognize and struggle with the suffering in the world, instead of believing it's necessary and merely accepting how things are. And I think that's what Miura was going for ultimately. The Godhand and apostles accomplish what they do (as do the human tyrants) because the people are stuck repeating the pattern believing that it's just inevitable. But it's not so much "belief" in itself as it is acting accordingly. While most of the people just go along with Evil as if it's unavoidable or necessary, Guts struggles against it. The fundamental difference between Guts and everyone else (until he meets other people like him and forms his party) is not that he's strong of will or muscle, but that he puts up meaningful resistance. His will and muscle help, but the world is full of people who are similarly strong but don't struggle against "causality." Is Guts special because of magical reasons since Skull Knight saved him from the Eclipse or is the real difference that he's actually willing to fight back now that he's seen what's behind Evil and knows that it's not inevitable? Maybe "causality" is merely a collective delusion or a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is what the lost chapter suggests.

 No.11118

>>11096
>Griffith's new order isn't a utopia.
Oh, that's true. I guess I should have been more specific, since it's not the whole world, but rather Falconia specifically. I think it's more a Utopia from the perspective of the average person. In the lead up, we see that the feudal nobility and clergy are basically entirely corrupt, literally feeding peasants to monsters, funding endless wars, torturing and executing "heretics," etc. Kushan invades and is somehow even worse, and then they're delivered by a prophesied mesiah that protects them from legendary monsters inside his glittering, supernatural fortress. Outside Falconia things are even worse off, but for the lucky ones rescued by Griffith and living in his magical city, things couldn't be better–for now, anyway.

>It might be dramatic and tragic for Guts to simply follow in his footsteps, but that wouldn't fit with the whole thing about Guts (and Casca and moonboy) being somewhat outside of causality's influence.

I agree. It seems like the whole drive of the Berserk Armor plot thread seems to be that Gutts is coming to grips with the limits that his anger can bring him to. At first his fury was the only thing keeping him alive, but now he's reaching both physical and psychological limits as to what his barely contained anger can accomplish.

The Skull Knight and Zodd might be an important parallel here. IIRC it's been implied that Zodd and Skull were rivals during Gaiseric's empire, and have basically been fighting off and on up until the present day. Speculating here, but I would theorize that Skull Knight was in a similar position to Gutts at one point, and had to choose between ending the cycle or giving into his desire for vengeance/fighting Zodd, and chose the latter. The Skull Knight is powerful and no longer ages, but it seems like it's basically an Alphonse Elric type situation where his personality resides in his armor, which I think is supported by him eating Behelits and when he pulled out the behelit sword.

That's what the narrative drive seemed like to me anyway, either sacrificing his humanity to keep chasing vengeance, or else choose another option.

 No.11119

>>11118
>At first his fury was the only thing keeping him alive, but now he's reaching both physical and psychological limits as to what his barely contained anger can accomplish.
This is also how people heal from trauma in real life. They end up with coping mechanisms that keep them going through it, but once they no longer need them they have to learn to move on and let go.
>Speculating here, but I would theorize that Skull Knight was in a similar position to Gutts at one point, and had to choose between ending the cycle or giving into his desire for vengeance/fighting Zodd, and chose the latter.
It would fit. They already made it clear that they are strongly paralleled. I think it may not truly be a "choice" though. In practical terms yes SK could have chosen differently, but that might require him to know things he doesn't, like the true nature of causality. Griffith is the only character confirmed to know (in the dubiously canon lost chapter). It's possible that Guts could learn this from him, giving him the final piece. Guts is already on this path, however. It's not specified in SK's backstory but there's no indication that he had the kind of bonds that Guts has been making with his party that keep him tethered to something besides his coping mechanism and trauma. They're enough to push him in the right direction but maybe not enough by themselves to actualize his potential to break the cycle. Maybe Guts can even do it without understanding, but there definitely seems like some piece missing there. It can't be as easy as just walking away. That would break the cycle for him, but not the actual cycle, unless there's just some ripple effect like I suggested in my other post.

 No.11334

*insert inevitable 'le real Black Swordsman' joke*
https://archive.ph/TlHrO

 No.11385

>>11334
I don't know why he was nicked name to be the "black swordsman". You inevitably invite comparisons, which SOA cant hold up to against Berserk. Especially if you compare Kirito to Guts it is like comparing a drawing of a four year to a DaVinci. I guess it's fine knowing that SOA tends to be for people just getting into anime, where you don't know what is and is not quality.

 No.11386

>>11385
Correct
>SOA
Is this a joke of accidental misspelling of SAO.

 No.11388

>>11386
>Is this a joke of accidental misspelling of SAO.
What ever option makes me look like less of an idiot.

 No.11562

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What the fuck guys, I just finished the series and nobody told me about the hot big titted goth witch?

 No.11563

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>>11562
>big tiddie
She's a kid you fuck

 No.11564

>>11562
because (up to where Miura got) she's a minor character who's only relevant to make Isidro thirsty and make Shierke feel like she belongs

 No.11565

>>11563
ok buddy she is at least 17.

 No.11567

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>>11565
You're correct in this instance, given the horror of Berserk itself as a setting, but still

 No.11569

>>11563
so what

 No.11689

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>>1834
>loli witch
In what universe is Schierke a loli? And besides, she is one of the best characters in the series. If you're going to bitch about characters, then whine about Isidro or Isma Even though I don't they are bad characters per se just some of the weakest.

 No.11691

>>11567
Should've been a picture of Jotaro (17) tbh
Giorno still looks kinda like a teen

 No.12074

My personal take on where the series is going and how it’s going to end. What I think will happen is that something will cause Griffith to reveal his true nature to Princess Charlotte and rest of his closest human followers. This will cause Griffith, to maintain still have his kingdom but to lose any relationships he has cause him to be alone. The one thing Guts has over Griffith at the end of the Golden Age is people who care about him. When Griffith sacrificed the Band of the Hawk, he didn’t just sacrifice their bodies but all the emotional connections he had with them. He can never reveal his true self to the humans who follow him because most surely, they would hate him. The apostles who follow him only view him as their master and could never become close to him. His only kinsman are the fellow members of the god hand, who I doubt have close ties with each other and only carry out their own desires. The only person who truly understands Griffith is Guts, and we all know how he feels about Griffith. And because of this rejection by his closest human followers, he will have break down and destroy his own Kingdom.
Also, an another point I would like to make is related to the end of the conviction arc, where those who clung to the church and Father Mozgus died while those who fought for their own survival or ran to keep on living survived. This reminds me of the human inhabitants of Falconia as they cling to Griffith to save them from the Kushan and all the Spirit World creatures. If Falconia falls all those who clung to Griffith would most likely perish, while those who struggle to main there own lives against the Kushan and the Spirit World creatures would survive.

 No.12405



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