You know how whenever there's anime primarily aimed at male audiences with romance as a core element, there's always some quotient of dudes responding to it like this? I've long held that these sure are some joyless ghouls, but after some deliberation, I think it's even worse… Most of you are hopefully aware of how much denigration romantic content aimed at women has seen through the ages and even today. Because if women like something but men don't, clearly that something must be of "low value". The whole thing is obviously deeply rooted in misogyny.
Even today, romance in fiction is a very "girl-coded" interest. Thus if a man happens to like romance, eventually they're going to run into toxic masculinity denigrating them for it. How they'll "get no bitches and stack no paper". A mere interest in romance makes them "weak". And it's incredibly obvious how surface level these kind of judgments are. These dudes see "romance" and just refuse to look any further due to toxic masculinity and misogyny.
107 posts and 34 image replies omitted.Only ever see that on algorithm sites. People don't act like that without artificial clout incentive.
>>19466Oh no the chvdjak exception on the soyjak ban backfired, now they're just using chxddy even when it doesn't make sense.
>>19444Crazy to think about the shift in culture in the west around slice of life anime lol. Feel like 15 years ago even bocchi would be regarded as "the problem with anime".
People who only consume shounen jump works still exist and are very loud but there are way more people open to the idea of "cute girls doing cute things" these days.
>>23952eyy. don't frequent here but nice to be greeted by a bokuyaba post. still have to finish the anime. first time following an adaptation of something i've read and it's lovely.
>>19707>tonari no oneesannice to know. it's in my radar thanks to lostinanime. i believe it's the same author as that fluffy megane girl and it's already adapted, but i'll be honest that i'm just more interested in
おねショタ.
>>26016 (me)
I must clarify that genre conventions are not bad (battle shounen is based if the amount of filler is reduced). I'm saying that certain genre conventions are rather lame and boring and make the work less fun.
>>26016>>26017so you like rape, got it
a solid +90% of shoujo/josei romance is about rape and coercion against the female protagonist. kabedon for example is as common of a trope as pantyshots is in shounen, and notice the violent and coercive undertone and subtext it carries
>>26020I mean, look at the recent anime seasons, right now the one shoujo romance is about a girl that gets killed by her husband, reincarnates, and then falls in love with a guy that abducts her at age 10 (ten)
last season it was another isekai but the girl fell in love with her murderer (that she is completely scared of)
before that it was that one about a girl that liked to make pastries and fell in love with her bodyguard (a fairy or something) that tried to kill her at some point
there is a scene in watamote were tomoko makes a male voice actor repeat cliche phrases, most of those were about rape, that was the joke, this is common knowledge to the point of self-reference
>>26023Wow, hibristophilia is
that widespread in the female fandom? Or is that male otakus infiltrating shoujo? Why would women enjoy this? I don't understand.
>>26029 (me)
Although if you think about it, rape is indeed connected with the contempt for women… I dunno.
>>26020 (me)
Okay, okay, but what about josei and seinen tbough? Surely they must be better.
>>26031josei is the same as shoujo, and it is becoming increasingly rare to see anime for that demography. seinen is the same as shounen. the main difference is that seinen and josei don't include furigana and use more difficult kanji, but that's irrelevant if you are reading translated manga
did you watch giji harem last season? there is hamefura from a couple seasons ago too (although it eventually reverts back to the tropes). or the weird world of shounen but by female authors and with female protagonists
with that said, imo anime and manga are acquired tastes and one should learn to accept the defects of the genre rather than waste time looking for "good exceptions"
>>26032>seinen is the same as shounenReally? Then I especially have no idea why shounen works don't get published in seinen tankobons…
>the weird world of shounen but by female authors and with female protagonistsMale protagonists aren't the issue. It's how they and the female leads are written that is. Also, too much romcom leans too heavily into wish fulfillment I think, the female leads are idealized, and I'm simply not interested in this. And it's not because I'm a girl or gay or anything, it just feels a bit fake, this trick does not really work on my psyche. Maybe I'm becoming more demanding with age.
>imo anime and manga are acquired tastes and one should learn to accept the defects of the genre rather than waste time looking for "good exceptions"You have a point. I'm not like Miyazaki or Anno, I even like some tropes and cliches. But even I have the limit. Funny thing: despite generally being somewhat of a "hipster" I seem to enjoy mainstream anime more. It's only when I delve into the niche stuff do I keep stepping on nails. Also, seasonal anime is my worst nightmare, and it's all overwhelmingly shounen romcoms and isekais that are wildly varying in quality (mostly mid).
In conclusion, I hate seasonals.
>>26033>don't get published in seinen tankobonsfurigana. it would be hard to sell a volume to a high-school student if they can't read the text, and it would be hard (but not impossible) to publish an isekai -type fantasy for example as seinen because the genre uses kanji that aren't commonly used anywhere else and most people don't know how to read
if you read translations you have probably encountered dialogues centered around what seem to be rather self-evident words or phrases, but what is probably happening is that the author is explaining a certain combination of kanji and it obviously gets lost in the translation. in fact, I'm sure there are fan-made japanese-to-japanese dictionaries for isekai commonly used kanji
>>26048 (me)
I'd also recommend watching Read or Die. Readman is adorable.
>>26056 (me)
Btw, hentai was better.
>>19445>even more shy and timidIt's qute the opposite, the female leads take a more proactive role as confident and popular girls who rescue loser MCs from their maidenless status. The pairings would actually be more balanced if the girls weren't so idealized (by the writers at least, it's okay for the MCs to idealize FLs, my youth is a testament *sign*).
>>26062reading comprehension. the first paragraph establishes a comparison between the anime listed in the now defunct OP image and anime
in general. this is, the common trope in anime is that, if the male character is shy, then the girl(s) are at least as shy as he is; but in the anime with strong female leads, this trope either goes away completely (humiliation fetish) or it happens at a lower layer so to speak: the male character either turns out to be, or becomes, strong and redeems himself towards the end
in the end, the male character has to either be the lead, or enjoy not being the lead, which is humiliating in the context of anime/manga, but the character comes on top by appropriating and actually enjoying that humiliation. to be vulgar, in regular anime the male is the top, and in fetish anime the male is the power bottom or
top from the bottom. these patterns also repeat themselves in homosexual relations, it is called seme/uke in yaoi and neko/tachi in yuri. note that these words are only used in the context of homosexuality because in heterosexual relations it is always assumed, as I have explained, that the male is the seme/neko
of course there are exceptions, but this is the common pattern. if you want exceptions, as a general rule I would recommend looking up the age of the author. older authors are more likely to try to subvert or ignore the usual tropes. young authors are usually in a more precarious position so they stick to the known craft
>>26071they want to jump on his dick from second 1, and usually for some moronic reason like "I met him once when we were 5 years old and he was very polite"
but they are too shy to express it so you can enjoy 12 episodes / 10 volumes of them being dorks
that's another very important trope, it has to be either the women themselves approaching or some extraordinary circumstance forcing the main characters to interact with each other. anime where it is the man that decides to approach are the exception, and curiously, it is almost restricted to porn (think of rance). the main character is supposed to redeem or assert himself later on
I have nothing but contempt for all of this, but it is what we have
>>26091MPDG is not a bad trope if it's executed well. The problem with shonen romcoms is that the girl in question is usually a school idol or a gyaru. Make MPDG more "manic" and less "dream" and the character dynamic will be more balanced.
We should just collectively boycott shonen romcoms. With a few exceptions.>>26091
>>26092I absolutely love whimsical,extroverted female characters who are determined to coax the cynical, withdrawn male protagonist back into opening himself to life, humanity and the world.
They should just not exist only for him. She should have things going on in her life that don't always center on him, and she has beliefs and dreams and desires that aren't all about him.
She is, in other words, a good romantic interest because she is a whole person in addition to being the one who will grab your wrist and make you, in the name of love, touch grass.
>>26142Idk. Most romance kinda sucks because they try to hard to make it comical.
I actually prefer shonen romance though the more sincere kind.
>>26020>Ya know, maybe teen manga is shit in general then.Maybe because they look down on the demographic they're peddling to?
Also. Alot of that shit is just as common if not more so in adult manga
>>26027>>26025Stop patronizing female fans for not having tastes that align with your idealized impression of women.
I swear to God, gynophilia is a cognitive disorder amongst LeftyPol patrons.
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