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 No.19444[Last 50 Posts]

You know how whenever there's anime primarily aimed at male audiences with romance as a core element, there's always some quotient of dudes responding to it like this? I've long held that these sure are some joyless ghouls, but after some deliberation, I think it's even worse… Most of you are hopefully aware of how much denigration romantic content aimed at women has seen through the ages and even today. Because if women like something but men don't, clearly that something must be of "low value". The whole thing is obviously deeply rooted in misogyny.

Even today, romance in fiction is a very "girl-coded" interest. Thus if a man happens to like romance, eventually they're going to run into toxic masculinity denigrating them for it. How they'll "get no bitches and stack no paper". A mere interest in romance makes them "weak". And it's incredibly obvious how surface level these kind of judgments are. These dudes see "romance" and just refuse to look any further due to toxic masculinity and misogyny.

 No.19445

>>19444
I agree with you, but the animes in that image are particularly "bad" because they have strong female leads, nagatoro being the most obvious and the komi the most subtle. anime male protagonists are, in general, allowed to be bland and weak, as long as the female counterparts are even more shy and timid, and the protagonist is able to "stand up" whenever the plot requires it

but having strong female leads is specially emasculating so the authors have to either go even greater lengths to prove that the male protagonist is actually strong and reliable, or fully embrace the humiliation fetish (sometimes they do both but it doesn't really work)

anyway my point is that, in this case in particular, the problem isn't romance but figurative castration. the average power fantasy isekai where the main character is basically omnipotent usually includes romance and otakus don't have a problem with that

 No.19446

>>19445
Why is it humiliating to have a strong female lead?

 No.19447

>>19446
ideology. I mean, look around you, we live in misogynist societies
but as I said, some authors fully embrace the concept, the nagatoro one is explicitly about the girl humiliating the protagonist

 No.19448

>>19444
I think this way about people who like Rent-a-Girlfriend, actually.

Who in their sane mind would find the romantization of fake relationships with petty bourgeois golddiggers as something desirable? Otaku probably.

TFW you sell all of your possesions just to afford your "girlfriend."

 No.19449

>>19445
>anime male protagonists are, in general, allowed to be bland and weak
Anime Cuck Syndrome.

>get constantly abused by a tsundere bitch

>constantly whine about your life
>constantly whine about getting rejected
>get constantly brutalized for any percieved perverse behavior, even if accidental (this is humor)
>not be able to hit a woman
>have no fucking spine

 No.19451

Your analysis is completely wrong. Nobody is making fun of people for enjoying something like Ore Monogatari!! or Nozaki-kun, because unlike examples in OPs pic, those arent weeb wish-fulfillment garbage. Like its a pure slop.

 No.19452

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>>19451
A big reason why "romance" is often called "cringy wish-fulfillment trash" is because of how much its roots are in fiction written by women for women, which very much does stem from misogyny, because there isn't actually anything inherently wrong with "self-insertable" fiction.

 No.19453

>>19452
>equating the hatred towards otaku with the hatred towards women
New addition to the intersectionality theory, huh?

 No.19454

>>19453
I don't know who you are quoting but basically everything you can find in male-targeted romance can be found mirrored in female-targeted romance as well. They are not actually all that different, so by mocking one you are effectively mocking the other as well.

 No.19455

>>19453
ohhhhhh we got a big boy here he hates "otaku"

 No.19456

>>19451
WOAH GUYS WE GOT A REAL SERIOUS MOTHERFUCKER ON OUR HANDS. HE LIKES STRONG MALE LEADS MORE THAN MOESHIT!!!WHAT A COOL, MYSTERIOUS INTELLECTUAL!!! NO MORE BABY STORIES FOR THIS GUY NO SIR!!!!

 No.19457

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people care way too much about others liking sappy romance stories

 No.19459

>>19454
>They are not actually all that different, so by mocking one you are effectively mocking the other as well
Mocking the genre that has its roots in works written by female writers does not equate mocking those female writers for being female. It's like saying that someone dislikes jazz or hip-hop because they hate black people. That's just jumping to conclusions.

>>19455
>ohhhhhh we got a big boy here he hates "otaku"
Said me when never. Just because I point out others' disdain for otaku doesn't mean I share that disdain.

 No.19460

>>19452
>>19456
To be clear, my objection is not to self-insertion, thats fine, the key word was "garbage". Its low quality. Badly written, badly animated. Artistically devoid of value. If you want to compare them to women-focused media, it would be weeb version of Hallmark movies.

 No.19461

None of those shows have much in common except maybe Nagatoro and Uzaki-chan, but to many dudes they are because they're all "romance" and that's the level where their impression stops at before they run off to shout about how lame and terrible they all are.

 No.19462

>>19456
I honestly like strong leads regardless of gender and sexuality. Or at least leads who have a spine. I mean, spine is nice to have…

Moe is fine though.

 No.19463

>>19444
it's just people getting mad at people liking media that they don't like that harms no one other than their feelings.
honestly the older i get, more i see people only act like this to get kicks of lording over other people's likes.
in other words, ignore people that never paid you a beer when they say something about a media being good or bad.

 No.19464

>>19463
Based boomer

 No.19465

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This thread is absolutely OP being assmad for feeling called out by a Twitter post
>if women like something but men don't, clearly that something must be of "low value"
No you absolute liberal. It has nothing to do with that, this is a meme on the internet that only the mentally ill perpetuate to feel better about having shit taste. Romantic stories are literally considered classics by "le misogynists" from fairy tales, to films like Casablanca to romantic subplots of anime. Romance has never been unpopular in the male demographic, nor has female interest in it made it be considered low value.
The whole thing is obviously rooted in your brainworms.

>"girl-coded"

Go back to reddit, you Psych 101 pseudointellectual
>eventually they're going to run into toxic masculinity denigrating them for it
Yeah no, that's just you and other autists getting called out for being such.
>A mere interest in romance makes them "weak"
No faggot. The only time I've heard shit like that is with online self-help scams talking about "le alpha male" and shit like that, literal clowns that almost nobody listens to or really cares about.

>pic

He's fucking correct. Hell the fucking Japanese are self-admitting this with anime like Senko and others wherein the characters are literally paperpushing losers with nothing in their dead-ass life, including a girl. It's a literal self-insert character for people that are like this IRL, and who live vicariously through this bait.

So TL;DR stop projecting your personal offense at feeling called out for being pathetic.

 No.19466

>>19456
>Someone made a valid point about shit shows being called out for being shit shows.
<BETTER AUTISTICALLY CAPSLOCK AND STRAWMAN THEM TO MOCK THEM!
See >>19457

 No.19467

>>19465
>Hell the fucking Japanese are self-admitting this with anime like Senko
Oh, fuck, this shit. Couldn't stand more than two episodes of it, very fucken overrated.

 No.19468

>>19466
At least anime fans aren't getting screwed over by a corporation 24/7. I am thoroughly convinced that Nintendo fans hate themselves.

 No.19469

>>19465
Jesus Maria Joseph, that is a lot of buzzwords.
even then, none of what you say show why any of these shows are bad really, maybe they are not for you, most of the things in the world aren't made for anyone in particular.

 No.19470

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>>19467
I enjoyed it as a light SoL and that was it. It's subtle jabs at Japanese karoshi were also interesting. Not worth more than its single season but nice enough.

>>19469
>B-buzzwords
LOL no
>none of what you say show why any of these shows are bad
Are you incapable of reading? The main issue here is that the take that "it's mysoginist" and "muh romance is not valued by le toxic male" is a fucking lie and the OP is just shitting themselves.

As for the shows, I personally found some amusement from Uzaki, but Nagatoro is trash (see >>8746 ) and generally these shows are repetitive and usually boring self insert fantasies for people that are far too miserable with their actual lives and instead of trying to self-actualize they escape into it and that is exactly the demographic that these anime's are aimed to. They are LITERALLY bait for people lacking romantic love in real life.

 No.19471

>>19468
>anime fans aren't getting screwed over by a corporation 24/7
Depends on how deep into the anime rabbithole you are.

 No.19472

>>19470
>Y-you are s-stuttering
not really an argument mate.
>Are you incapable of reading?
No, just disinterested in your post after you showed to be too emotional about a bunch of soapy rom-com anime that you don't like, so i did not spare any attention, guess the shitty meme helped in that.
and while i feel the OP is stretching in the claims that these that don't like these animes must be because misoginy, i ain't gonna ignore the tweet that you claim is correct is just calling people virgin for liking things they don't like, a very CoD lobby behavior if you ask me.
>and usually boring self insert fantasies for people that are far too miserable with their actual lives and instead of trying to self-actualize they escape into it and that is exactly the demographic that these anime's are aimed to. They are LITERALLY bait for people lacking romantic love in real life.
or, you know, for people that like these types of romances and stories and want to watch them, or find it amusing (like you did for uzaki), or in the case of nagatoro, appeals for their masochism and seeing dominant woman, not exclusively to no-lives wants to replace their inexistent love life with these shows through self-insertion.
while at the question of self-inserting, it is a very common thing in all media involving romance and action media in general, not just in anime, to claim everyone that consumes such things are all or majority are lifeless loosers is a stretch that end up being just name-calling.

 No.19473

>>19472
>or in the case of nagatoro, appeals for their masochism and seeing dominant woman, not exclusively to no-lives wants to replace their inexistent love life with these shows through self-insertion.
You know, I should be prime audience for that show. I decided to check it out specifically because that is something I am into. What turned me off wasnt being against the premise, exact opposite, its the fact that it was bad in every respect. Like what is the point of that show? Cheap animation, one-dimensional characters, literally no story, embarrassingly unfunny comedy. You want to enjoy it? Fine, who cares, you do you, but dont come arguing with people for pointing out undeniable fact its pure dogshit.

 No.19474

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>>19472
>not really an argument
<you used a stutter in a reply once oooh oooh aaah aaah
Ok monkey I'll explain to you; you didn't have an argument, so you received none in return for that inanity.
>after you showed to be too emotional
Stopped right there. You're baiting. This entire thread is based on an emotional liberal lashing out over a boogieman that doesn't exist except in your own intersectional mind.
>calling people virgin for liking things they don't like
<I'm not the emotional one chimping out over a cynically humorous, yet accurate comment about a low-brow consumer media, you are for calling me out
Ah yes, the tumblr school of "everyone I don't like is [insert a particular flavor of libpol]" argument.
>CoD lobby behavior if you ask me
Nobody asked you, get thicker skin snowflake.

>for people that like these types of romances and stories

<SoL anime
HAHAHAHAHAHA no. Other people may enjoy them, but the Japanese are voracious capitalists and know exactly the market they're exploring, and the hyperconsumerist insanity of the main demographic - autistic, lonely, infantile weeaboos and otaku that religiously buy their merchandise, watch their low effort, samefaced products etc. etc.
Romance? Don't make me laugh, that's not what these shows even are and you've been online too long if you think those shows are "romance" and not just cutesy shit for the sake of cutesy shit.
>or find it amusing
Like I said, that is not the main demographic, people finding enjoyment from it aren't invested in it like that. I'm not buying the merchandise or talking constantly about it. I enjoyed the simple cuteness and moved on, the people the twitter post is referring to? Aren't moving on, they just go from one to the next ad infinitum like an addict seeking their fix.
>in the case of nagatoro, appeals for their masochism
<promoting abusive relationships is good actually
>dominant woman uwu
<an underage brat
Are you retarded?
>it is a very common thing in all media involving romance and action media in general
No. RELATING to characters is a common thing in media. People seem to have conflated self-insertion with this and think it's a good thing. There's a reason SI is a derided writing trope - it makes for lazy fantasies 90% of the time unless it's a truly good effort. Those shows are not it.
>r majority are lifeless loosers is a stretch that end up being just name-calling.
Oh no someone called you a name on the internet, whatever will you do?!

 No.19475

>>19465
>>19466
>>19474
the thread was having a civil discussion about it until the epic greentexting channer showed up

 No.19476

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>>19475
>thread was having a civil discussion
The thread barely began, if you honestly thought that you wouldn't get an unfiltered response from someone, you're delusional. It also wasn't any more civil or less mocking than usual; (see posts 19456, 19453, 19455, 19451 etc.)
>complaining about greentext on a Hyperborean mammoth herding forum
Are you high?
>channer
Where do you think you are?

TL;DR: Stop being a bitch, just because some anons called your radlib blogposts out.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.19478

>>19476
youre on leftypol, not some /v/ spinoff

 No.19479

>>19478
>Everyone I don't like is /v/
Oh god it's YOU, the terminally online retard that posts overly sensitive garbage then gets offended for being laughed at.

 No.19482

>>19470
>I enjoyed it as a light SoL and that was it
I could not stand its attempts at humor. It's the standard "A guy with a high libido gets beaten up by angry women all the time."

 No.19490

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>>19482
To be fair I watched it when it came out and that's it. It was never my cup of tea but I liked Uzaki and some of the more subtle messaging in the show. >>3015

 No.19511

>>19490
Senko-chan and Uzaki-chan are two different series.

 No.19512

>>19511
Actually, I would go as far as saying that Uzaki-chan is better than Senko-chan. Heck, ALL the series in the OP's screenshot are better than Senko-chan. Take that!

 No.19514

>>19490
WAIT, WTF, JUDITH BUTLER???

 No.19516

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Mitsudomoe's mangaka is a woman

 No.19517

Courting sucks, it's always overtly complicated and involves tons of consumerism. But romance anime specifically is a supplement for people that don't actually have to deal with this shit. Not to mention how idealized and rooted in fantasies it is. No better than the average harem story.

 No.19518

>>19516
Is it by any means related to the Japanese male-oriented romcom not having any lewd elements anymore or are female writers perfectly fine with the erotic stuff?

I've just noticed a trend where male Japs are increasingly watching slice-of-life anime that is so utterly devoit of controversial material that it might as well be shown to pre-teens. Liking cute girls apparently makes you do a 180 on the target demographic Initial D-style.

 No.19519

>>19518
Do Nagatoro and Uzaki-chan have lewd material? I know that Uzaki-chan has big bazongas but that's about it.

Please, be patient, I'm a JoJo fan.

 No.19520

>>19519
By lewd content do you mean Rule 34 or actually in-anime loods?

 No.19523

>>19517
the only bad aspect of harem stories is that theres hardly ever a harem ending tbh

 No.19524

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>>19518
The writer responsible for most of the Rance games is a woman. You know, the rape guy.

 No.19525

>>19519
It's just a lot of comedic teasing and the occasional dirty joke in both, but I wouldn't really call them lewd. Don't watch them with minors under 12, at least.

 No.19528

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I really feel bad for people who liked the Uzaki manga before the anime hit. This must be how the Something Awful users felt when Tumblr discovered Danganronpa.
People act like it’s fine to insult people for liking a random romcom and it’s actually the fan’s fault for getting annoyed.

 No.19529

>>19528
>Something Awful users felt when Tumblr discovered Danganronpa
I… what? How is that at all comparable? This is a conversation within the anime community, not some outsiders jumping into a fandom.
>People act like it’s fine to insult people for liking a random romcom
Yeah, because it's just words on the internet, getting offended over that is childish, especially if you then try to hide this "hurt feels" with a failed attempt at "analyzing" 'the haters'.
>it’s actually the fan’s fault for getting annoyed
LMFAO. I've been a Naruto fan for years, it is literally impossible to go to a site or forum and not get at least one response going on about "le narutards". Does it annoy me? A little, but at the end of the day I don't give a real fuck because, unless the person has a valid argument or cutting commentary, it's meaningless. The OP image makes a succinct point with the post stating an honest, cutting remark about the genre of cheap, aimless SoL being bait for people that are essentially "bitchless", it's true, that is the demographic it is meant to aim for, regardless of if others outside that demographic also watch it. Being offended about some guys off-hand post in the depths of twitter only implies that you feel called out, because subconsciously you may think it's true to you. You want to prove them wrong? Don't make rants on the internet about "le mean toxic males" and just ignore people, like any mature adult would.

TL;DR: Normies and anime becoming more mainstream has introduced a bunch of n00bs that are incapable of accepting that a show they may enjoy is objectively trash, and can't stop caring about the opinions of others instead of enjoying the guilty pleasure and accepting that, like junk food, it's not really good, even if it's pleasing.

 No.19643

>>19520
Loods of course.

 No.19644


 No.19645

>>19523
Honestly, harem endings can be rather unsatisfactory when the harem is kinda forced on the protagonist. Seems to be more of a curse than a blessing.

 No.19646

>>19645
Nobody suggests the option of staying single for some reason.

 No.19647

>>19528
>cute co-worker
Wow, that's refreshing! Finally, something outside of the school setting, good grief!

>This must be how the Something Awful users felt when Tumblr discovered Danganronpa

*screams in despair*

 No.19648

>>19646
i wonder if this has ever happened

 No.19649

>>19528
Uzaki is an okay romcom, it didn't deserve to be subjected to weekly Discourse(tm) or get the most cancerous defenders of all time.
The show about the womanlet coworker isn't even out and it's already being used for the Discourse(tm) too, amazing.

 No.19651

>>19645
That's why I like DxD. Issei is a pervert with a heart of gold and that's literally his goal - a harem, it's so much more funny than tired hijinx about a closet perv and "le funny angry women" with that being relegated to early Koneko or the opponents.

 No.19652

>>19649
>The show about the womanlet coworker
What's it called?

 No.19653

>>19651
>with that being relegated to early Koneko or the opponents
Don't forget about the gang of women in the beginning. The guy was getting beaten to near-death. I'm not even sure if that was supposed to be a joke.

He should def get a katana and make a sushi out of them.

 No.19655

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As much as I look down on this type of anime, to be perfectly honest if there was a show like that catering to my tastes, I would be all over it.

 No.19656

>>19655
I see Balalaika here. Black Lagoon enjoyer, I see…

 No.19657

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>>19656
One of my favorites. Also, I just remembered anime that is nothing but best girls.
Please Japan, give a harem anime whose entire cast is composed of various flavours of ultraviolent women.

 No.19658

It's hard to watch shows/anime about love when you are starved of it or have never experienced it. I absolutely hated this shit because I hadn't dated anyone for like 6+ years. But then I get laid a touch a woman and badabing badaboom romance is pleasant and relatable.

 No.19659

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>>19653
Eh, a bunch of girls wacking him with a stick for actually being a perv with intention (even if his homies made him not see any nip) is realistic and far more motivated than "uwu he accidentally saw my pantsu time to knock his head off!" that usually occurs. It only happens once on screen. Compare that to like every other harem ecchi that has the main girl beat the MC up like a bajillion times over a million "misunderstandings". pic rel.

 No.19660

>>19658
>It's hard to watch shows/anime about love when you are starved of it or have never experienced it
That's an argument, although in the case of mocking romcom anime that's being popular with the male demographic it's due to the fact that these romcoms are often wish fulfillment for that demographic. Just like a lot of the mainstream anime. That's why male anime protagonists in this anime are losers or nobodies. Because the audience associates itself with them.

 No.19662

>>19659
LOL, I like this meme.

>Eh, a bunch of girls wacking him with a stick for actually being a perv with intention (even if his homies made him not see any nip) is realistic

It is realistic BUT:
1) unlikely because they legit acted like Nintendo's legal team Japanese yakuza, and;
2) they're still kind of assholes.

>"uwu he accidentally saw my pantsu time to knock his head off!"

I mean, it's also pretty realistic. But IRL other people would think that this girl is an emotionally unstable psycho.

 No.19663

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>>19652
Uchi no Kaisha no Chiisai Senpai no Hanashi

 No.19664

>>19662
>Nintendo's legal team
LOL
>assholes
To be fair, unlike other animu they actually have a reason to not like him, he's been pulling this shit for 2 years at this point.
> it's also pretty realistic
Not really, I've seen some nip slip by accident, and had an almost anime-tier situation where I saw some girls panties by accident. It was mostly just embarrassment and a silent pretending nothing happened.

 No.19665

>>19663
>Uchi no Kaisha no Chiiblahblahblah
Those darn Japanese anime titles.

>he's been pulling this shit for 2 years at this point

Is he retarded?

>It was mostly just embarrassment and a silent pretending nothing happened

That's a reaction of a mentally stable person. Now, imagine if she was a Karen.

 No.19666

>>19524
Still can't get over all the sex scenes having the east german anthem in the bg

 No.19668

>>19659
didn't kirito bang asuna

 No.19670

>>19529
>objectively trash
/v/ moment

>enjoying the guilty pleasure and accepting that, like junk food, it's not really good, even if it's pleasing.

being an "anime is trash and so am i XD" ironic weeaboo is pathetic. if you like something, own it

 No.19672

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Nah, everyone makes fun of romance, remember twilight? No gender is safe from the assault against love, the ultimate resistance against capitalism.

 No.19673

>>19672
Twilight was narratively bad but everyone only made fun of it because teenage girls liked it and it had sparkly vampires.

 No.19675

>>19668
Yes they had the Sex multiple times.

 No.19676

>>19657
There's a lot of manga about yandere harems.

 No.19677

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>>19658
This you?

 No.19678

>>19668
>>19675
speaking of sao its funny that it was heralded as bottom of the barrel anime and right after we get a decade and counting of procedurally-generated isekai shows with some good ones thrown into the mix

 No.19685

>>19663
Man, she really is tiny AF.

>>19670
>if you like something, own it
I still don't understand that spooky "guilt" in "guilty pleasure." If you want to watch tatas, YOU GO AND WATCH TATAS, GODDAMNIT.

>No gender is safe from the assault against love, the ultimate resistance against capitalism

That sounds like a cheesy line a Christian socialist might say.

>Selfish love is very far from unselfish, mystical, or romantic love. One can love every possible thing, not just human beings, but any “object” at all (wine, one’s fatherland, etc.). Love becomes blind and crazy through a must taking it out of my power (infatuation), romantic through a should entering into it, i.e., through the “object” becoming sacred to me, or through me becoming bound to it by duty, conscience, oath. Now the object is no longer there for me, but I for it.

>
>Love is a case of being possessed, not as my feeling—as such I prefer to keep them in my possession as property—but through the alienness of the object. Thus, religious love consists precisely in the commandment to love the “sacred one” in the beloved, or to cling to a sacred one; for unselfish love, there are absolutely lovable objects for which my heart is supposed to beat, for example, fellow human beings, or the spouse, relatives, etc. Sacred love loves the sacred in the beloved, and therefore also strives more and more to make the beloved into a sacred being (for example a “human being").

 No.19692

>>19665
I assume your other parts are responding to >>19664 about DxD.
>Is he retarded?
No, he's a perv and a hormonal, teenager that keeps thinking with his dick (which gets him killed to begin with). Is it dumb? Yes, but so are a lot of teen guys, and it's a bit exaggerated for the sake of humor.
>imagine if she was a Karen
Gonna be honest with you, that "termin" is blatantly overused and often applied out of context. Also what does that have to do with this?

>>19670
>Everyone is muh /v!
Eat lead, you're unironically a shitter of the worst kind.
>"anime is trash and so am i XD"
Nice strawman you got there.
>if you like something, own it
<coming from the guy seething about some randos opinion about their low-brow ecchi anime
Look in the mirror, touch grass, go outside, you are psychotic.

 No.19693

>>19678
SAO set a benchmark for how low-effort anime can get and still be successful enough to turn a profit. That said Alicization was ok, but at that point I was just bored with the entire concept of VRMMORPG.

>>19668
Virtually, yes. Also the chapter that descibes it (Chapter 16.5) is fucked up, NGL. SomethingWittyEntertainment did a reading of it and I was laughing the entire time at how cringe it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L17OayixcJg

 No.19694

>>19692
>Also what does that have to do with this?
I'm saying that tsundere are realistic if they really do have a mental illness. Maybe mangaka just like to write about mentally unhealthy people. Just look at Evangelion. The entire fucking cast has problems.

 No.19695

There are many decent romances out there, made by both male and female, and many that are appreciated commonly such that it is difficult to notice much stigma nowadays, but the amount of anime productions that is "pure wish fulfillment" is not the most preferable. Classic shoujo should have some sort of comeback!

>>19445
Those female leads of the anime in the O.P.'s image in question are more what males, in their current gaze, imagine to be "strong" female leads, but are not necessarily strong female leads in reality; similar to the overly servile types of female characters, such "strong" characters are made for some predominantly male target-demographic and thus ultimately still subordinated to the male consumers' desire.
There definitely are many good female anime-characters, but the ones, out of them, that can be said to be good as female characters uniquely or as decently feminist exemplars aren't easily found non-esoterically.

>>19452
Romance series for target-demographics of women are not very similar to those sorts of "romance" stories, similar to those in O.P., people ITT have critiqued, so the issue isn't very much misogyny. It's like how people don't think of Oniisama He… when they criticize the oversupply of too to-otaku-pandered S.o.L. content.

 No.19696

>>19695
>feminism
i sleep

 No.19697

why do i dislike romance animanga generally? i don't know why but I wonder if there is some connection to toxic masculinity for it with me. I can agree that for the anime community at large that it is definitely a factor but for me maybe it might be an influence on why i might dislike it but i feel the major reason why i hate media (including anime) with romance in it is the straight heterosexual stuff

even though i am straight i hate being projected into the male role of the straight romances because i don't know why i've just been like this for a long time. it's because in real life i don't want to be in a role like that (in a relationship) so i get very uncomfortable and want to stop watching it when it happens like that. i feel it more when the protagonist of the series is a male, as well, and they are also made to be a character that is easy to self insert to. That's the worst for me which is why i avoid that kind of animanga.

i hate the thing where sometimes there is a anime with a female character being all over the branding and stuff but when you actually watch it its a audience insert male protagonist yet again, frustrating for me and i wanted to watch it under the assumption the female character was the protagonist

i like romances that aren't straight and have gay characters because it feels l can't relate to it as much and therefore that means that i won't self insert myself into it. that makes it easier for me to enjoy the story because i am not imagining myself in a position i would never want to take the place in real life. It just disgusts me to think of being in a relationship like those anime characters.

regarding the toxic masculinity thing for me maybe it is tainting my view and biasing me against this kind of media

Can someone talk with me about this? I want to have a discussion about this stuff

 No.19700

>>19693
tbh, i used to hate sao but i don't think it's as bad now. there's some interesting stuff thrown into it if you can handle fanfic-tier writing

 No.19702

I got no stacks nor hoes but i don't like any of these gay ass shows.

 No.19703

>>19702
>gay ass shows
case in point

 No.19704

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Yeah romcoms are great.

 No.19705

>>19703
There is nothing gay about being demeaned by a flat-chested muscular dark elf.

 No.19707

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>>19444
Those 4 are bad though. Shiroyama to Mita-san, Tonari no Onee-san ga Suki, Arakure Ojousama wa Monmon Shiteiru and Bonnouji are good love stories.

 No.19708

>>19705
Read the OP:
> Even today, romance in fiction is a very "girl-coded" interest. Thus if a man happens to like romance, eventually they're going to run into toxic masculinity denigrating them for it.

 No.19712

>>19707
The ojousama manga is so GOOD.

 No.19781

>>19712
is there some kind of site or torrent for it or do i have to use hakuneko to download and enjoy it offline

 No.19783

>>19708
Yes and the OP is wrong. It's not about toxic masculinity or being mocked for "romance". It's just teasing for liking bad ecchi.

 No.19790

>>19781
get a mangadex downloader from github

 No.19848

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Whenever I see some generic take whining about muh shounen muh romcom etc. I think of this screenshot.

 No.19908

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>>19848
Ok, but that's not really what's going on here, at all.
Person A - is making a sarcastic comment about low-effort ecchi romcom harem SoL, and how its trashy escapism.
Person B - gets mad over a passing casual comment and makes a blogpost about it here. There is no High Internet Intellectualism here.

Also that image is inane, it's the same tier of argument as "Oh you've never made a movie before? You can't criticize one then!" or "You're the one that watched this, so you can't criticize!" ignoring the fact that criticizing what you don't know is usually wrong.

 No.20017

All media fulfills your wish to be entertained. So when you go to watch an anime or read a manga, you're seeking wish fulfillment. That's why the phrase is useless. There is good wish fulfillment, and bad wish fulfillment.

 No.21173

>>19444
Urusei Yatsura, Your Lie in April, Tatami Galaxy, etc. There's plenty of well-respected romantic anime, including a lot of girl-coded stuff, and they even usually have an element of self-insertion or escapism to them. But they don't define themselves entirely around vicariously experiencing perfect love. That's the difference (and genuine question for people who think the image in the OP is wrong, how much of the audience for Komi-san do you think feels romantically satisfied in their real life?)
Whether it's in stupid harem isekai or throwaway high school romcoms, everyone realizes on some level that escapism – i.e., literally and deliberately ignoring reality – is not something that should be celebrated. It's surprising that in an imageboard for "leftists" no one in this thread has attempted to question the dynamic of studios making tons of cash by selling temporary relief from the crisis of loneliness that affects all demographics in current society
Instead of media that makes you briefly feel less lonely, why don't people make media that actually helps people -be- less alone? Media that shows the commonalities between people instead of encouraging misanthropy, that gives lonely people the courage to actually put themselves out there, that helps people understand each other instead of presenting idealized smoothed-over characters that don't resemble actual human beings? So much media today just feels like it breeds further isolation between people, why defend shit that encourages its audience to dig themselves deeper into the "2D>3D" hole?
But oh yeah you're not actually supposed to think about media on any level beyond just "I like it/I don't like it" - guy who's probably in another thread right now proclaiming himself to be the only real Marxist who ever lived

 No.21847

>>19705
>>19702
>I got no stacks nor hoes
<but i don't like any of these gay ass shows.
Nice rhymes

 No.23729

>>19444
I agree. Any male-oriented romance stories always hve to make the male charactes be chivalrous goofballs and the love interest be dainty dames.


>>19848
This. Another thing thats highly pathologised are youth oriented stuff. People complain about discrimination against the old but kids/teens are condemned for having media genres made for them.
Anything made for kids is always gobbled up and whined about by adults.

 No.23731

^
Maybe you are pathologic and need to get some help
Ever think of that or you are too stupid

 No.23733

>>23731
whats your problem, m8?
Alex Jones didnt drop a new episode fast enough and youre suffering from news withdrawal.

 No.23734

>>23733
Test me, friendo.

 No.23735

>>21173
Theres alot of entertainment that is mostly misanthropic.

Look at adult comedy or even plain old action movies.
Misanthropy is the main theme or unsaid but prominent.

 No.23738

>>23729
Why are you necrobumping this dead thread with more shit takes?

 No.23740

>>23738
What is up with ypu guys? why is there sudeen hostility in this board?

Do you guys need TRT?

 No.23741

>>23740
This thread OP is blog-posting crap and the conversation ended a while back. I'm not suddenly hostile, this is an imageboard, caustic wording is pretty much the norm.

 No.23745

>>23741
you don't have to be a jerk just because everyone else is

 No.23746

Only ever see that on algorithm sites. People don't act like that without artificial clout incentive.

>>19466
Oh no the chvdjak exception on the soyjak ban backfired, now they're just using chxddy even when it doesn't make sense.

 No.23870

>>19444
Crazy to think about the shift in culture in the west around slice of life anime lol. Feel like 15 years ago even bocchi would be regarded as "the problem with anime".
People who only consume shounen jump works still exist and are very loud but there are way more people open to the idea of "cute girls doing cute things" these days.

 No.23871

>>23870
The stigma has now shifted to romance anime as OP points out.

 No.23874

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>>23871
>Repeating OP's premise unironically.
The stigma hasn't shifted to romance anime, OP is making shit up based on a snarky twitter post. Multiple anons ITT have explained that there isn't a stigma with romance or romcom fiction, including anime, citing examples. The OP's premise is built on a deliberate misinterpretation of a social media comment by a random person. It's petty E-Drama.

 No.23875

>>23874
you clearly dont talk to normies

 No.23880

>>23875
>Muh normies
NTA but you clearly haven't read the thread, and are a newfag to boot. Anime was niche and wasn't even close to mainstream for decades, it's only recently that anime has become more widespread in public eye, and most people that don't watch it just don't care about it, a few edge-lords might talk shit, but like in the OP image, it's usually just poking fun or is inter-fandom trash-talk, not a 2 paragraph butthurt rant, unlike OP.

 No.23919

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I really started to lighten up on the Nagatoro manga once I realised what a fucking creature she's like in it.

 No.23920

>>23919
Better thread for this >>7100

 No.23922

>>19444
These shows aren't "bait for lonely dudes" because they revolve around romance, but because the characters are embarrassing adolescent fantasies. It's the same with most romance tbf thoughbeit.

 No.23923

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>>23922
>It's the same with most romance tbf thoughbeit.
It depends, a lot of older stuff was not like that. Take Iketeru Futari for example. It's a comedy-ecchi series but it works because underneath the silliness are more mature themes and aspects.

 No.23931

>>23922
>fictional stories are filled with fantasies
holy fucking shit!!

 No.23952

>>19444
it really baffles me especially with boku no kokoro no yabai yatsu and people calling it incel bait, they clearly didn't watch more than 5 minutes as it's a quite realistic and cute romance between two awkward kids, not to mention the author is a woman (it's good, watch/read it)

 No.23953

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>>23952
eyy. don't frequent here but nice to be greeted by a bokuyaba post. still have to finish the anime. first time following an adaptation of something i've read and it's lovely.
>>19707
>tonari no oneesan
nice to know. it's in my radar thanks to lostinanime. i believe it's the same author as that fluffy megane girl and it's already adapted, but i'll be honest that i'm just more interested in おねショタ.


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