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is it anime even though it doesn't have the regular art style? if yes can we discuss it?

if no tell the mods to abort this post

 

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>>24738
Well it's animation so technically allowed on this board anyways.

I watched most of the first episode and it just seemed like garbage to me, the most tropey and cliche thing imaginable. Yes it looked nice enough but the characters and plot just seemed lame AF.

 

The main villain was the only good part.

 

It's Japan-centric, one of the main creators is Japanese and its story resembles Shogun and Ninja Scroll, so I think this thread fits here.

 

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There was some discussion BTW in /hobby/
>>>/hobby/39008
>>>/hobby/39018

It's not a terrible show IMO, but it's not THAT good either, being a bit edgier than necessary, but still interesting. Reminds me of some similar stories from the Middle East actually.

Other than Shogun and Ninja Scroll there's some other similar anime: https://movieweb.com/netflix-blue-eye-samurai-anime-if-you-loved/

 

>is it anime
in the sense that anime just means animated.
it's made by burgers

>>24741
it's definitely in the "trying too hard" category with the setting and the edginess etc. it's also gross how it consistently frames being (half) white as a superpower.

 

I watched it and it was pretty decent, but abit too American and the creator is a massive turn-off

 

>>24754
>it's also gross how it consistently frames being (half) white as a superpower.
i didnt like the show but im not going to faux outrage at dumb misinterpretations. its just an exaggeration of the fact that genetic diversity almost always presents an evolutionary advantage. its not that the white part makes her better, but being mixed in general as opposed to the fully white or fully japanese people

 

give it to me straight, is it a honkey self insert power fantasy? shit like that is just inherently cringe to me recently.

 

>>24757
i had to google what that meant. the authors are a japanese-american couple and the mc is a "hafu"

 

>>24754
>it consistently frames being (half) white as a superpower.
I wrote this in /hobby/ before but this is a gross misrepresentation for the sake of drama; being white is not presented as a Super-power, the character's white heritage is a detriment to them, a curse that makes them ostracized. Mizu learns by training their whiteness only makes life harder for them, not easier. It doesn't magically given them powers or fighting capability. The only 'Superpower' attributed to her whiteness is her violence, and even then, it's a discriminatory comment, not a literal attribution of her race.

>>24757
No, the main character is not a Mary Sue, they're not unequivocally good and liked, and they don't just magically become a good fighter. It's not Black and White white-savior shit, nor does it demonize by race, it depicts the cruelty of Japanese and Western culture fairly equally.

 

>>24756
>its just an exaggeration of the fact that genetic diversity almost always presents an evolutionary advantage
White people and Japanese people aren't different species.
>its not that the white part makes her better, but being mixed in general as opposed to the fully white or fully japanese people
The fully white villain is also treated as more important and competent than the Japanese guys he works with.

>>24760
> the character's white heritage is a detriment to them,
Socially, yes. but in universe characters treat that as the reason they're more capable than all the people they fight, and the show itself doesn't suggest this is false. It even implies that they may really be supernatural, a demonic embodiment of revenge, which is itself a function of the racist context.
>it depicts the cruelty of Japanese and Western culture fairly equally.
Mostly. The way they handle prostitution is strangely whitewashed (especially for something marketing itself as being dark and edgy), but that's a whole other topic.


>>24757
Before I answer your question, I'll just say that the show in general is just not that good independent of whether or not it's problematic. It feels like it's trying to convince adults that they can enjoy what is like a juvenile shounen fighter series by making overtures to historical accuracy and social commentary.

As to your question:
The showrunners are a white person and a Japanese person and they say the character was inspired by their mixed daughter, so in a strict sense yeah it's a self-insert.
It's also a power fantasy in the sense that it's a one-person army piling up a lot of bodies over the course of the story. That wouldn't be that notable except the part where this gets attributed to being a blue-eyed demon.
The character isn't a mary sue, more of an edgelord.
You can draw your own conclusions from this. How much you care about this is really a question of how likely you are to notice these sorts of elements in a story (whether they're intentional or not).

 

>>24764
>White people and Japanese people aren't different species.
autism?

 

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>>24764
>in universe characters treat that as the reason they're more capable than all the people they fight
Except that this only happens after they lose, and it's always through the lens of suggesting their whiteness as being supernaturally evil.
>the show itself doesn't suggest this is false
Except for every time Mizu struggles in fights or even loses? The show demonstrates that Mizu is just another human being physically. Her abilities are earned, her drive is no less than the drive of other motivated characters. People focus on the race aspect because it's a plot-point, and misattribute the meaning because most Westerners are idpol-poisoned retards.
>even implies that they may really be supernatural, a demonic embodiment of revenge
It suggests this because that's her character as a result of the material environment she grew up in. Others attributing it to race are BEING racist as a cope, the same way Japanese Nationalists use said cope about white people and black people today, it's not about white people being magically more powerful, but about how characters perceive reality and what mechanisms they default to. White people do this too, Black people do this too, it's a natural reaction of relatively homogeneous groups to reject those they perceive as different, as part of pack-mentality and cultural xenophobia.
>The way they handle prostitution is strangely whitewashed
I think it's fairly accurate mostly. Brothels and prostitution then is a bit different from now, in terms or openness even if the basal mechanics are the same. I suggest studying the hierarchies of concubines and so on in Ancient Japan, as it's different from current day attitudes and systems.

 

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>>24764
>White people and Japanese people aren't different species.
True, but it's a fact that East-Asian phenotype is different from European phenotype, Average Japanese height of the era was lower than average height of Europeans of the same era, and as a result, so was physical strength. Part of this is because Japan, with its limited resources and lack of colonies, had nutritional troubles, as only the elites ate well. I made a post about this a while ago >>>/edu/8665
It's also the reason for the culture of Ohaguro, or Blackened Teeth for married women that we see in the series, as it was a method of countering tooth degradation and poor health due to lacking nutrition and hygiene; so elite women blackened their teeth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohaguro?useskin=vector
>he fully white villain is also treated as more important and competent than the Japanese guys he works with.
The man he works with is a middle-man and meant to be a pathetic worm of a character because of it, he ISN'T more important, because he ISN'T the main target and antagonist of the plot. He is competent, as our primary antagonist wouldn't have been able to achieve anything without his help. The Main villain is also a horrific piece of shit, I don't see how this is supposed to be pro-White.

 

Imma be honest with you, I didn't hear about this show from a trailer or an AD, but from the YouTube channels in my recommended praising the show as having REAL GOOD WELL WRITTEN FEMALE PROTAGONIST CHARACTER unlike the woke wonder woman or ariel mermaid, which I mean good but that's all that's good about the show? Only Mizu? Like come on she even has her own sigma literally me tiktok Edit compilations now

 

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>>24768
>listening to Youtube Ecelebs
That was your first mistake
>Tiktok
That was your second mistake.

It's a decent show. I think people have forgotten that you can just like something and not have to think ALL of it is good or right or whatever. This obsession with it being somehow a white power fantasy is absurd and just Westoid internet EDrama blowing it out of proportion, the same way they do for Shogun and other series. Idpol is cancer and always has been, focusing on politics before the story is also Western liberalism. Politics can matter to a story, but it's not really about modern politics so much as having political drama within the story itself. You don't need to have clean heroes for it to work either. Either enjoy the story for what it is, or don't.

 

>>24768
Those people just say that because they do a "Samus is a girl" at the end of episode 1 where you see her full-frontal nudity.

 

>>24769
>focusing on politics before the story is also Western liberalism.

you speak da truth, sometimes i wonder if russians, turks, the chinese, anyone outside the west in general have this fixation to connect between all forms of entertainment they watch with modern politics or the culture war

 

>>24769
>focusing on politics before the story is also Western liberalism
the story is literally about colonialism

 

>>24773
As a mixed race/ethnicity person myself, no they don't have such a fixation; the culture war is Western; people like to bring up the dislike of LGBT in these 3rd world and 2nd world countries but pointedly ignore how they also dislike /pol/ and the alt-right equally, because for most of them, the culture war is pure first-worldist nonsense - The Garden complains about thorns while the Jungle has more important problems. They do analyses sometimes, especially when its blatantly politicized or obviously has sociopolitical motivation, but attitudes towards this are mostly different, where it's a more clinical view. Emotional responses are usually more in regards to story-telling and how the story being told may carry across god-awful messages or is otherwise inconsistent, even then some stuff is just amusingly bad for these cultures. For example Russian Isekai (popodanchestvo) is often filled with poorly written Self-Insertion and while some criticism is leveled at it, most people know its trashy literature and enjoy it for fun, while understanding that it's not a literary masterpiece without having to complain and bitch about it on the internet.

>>24774
This post is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. No the story is not about colonialism, it is a personal revenge story first and foremost. The colonialism is a background, a subplot to the greater story and a part of the historical setting. It is not the story itself.

 

>>24775
>No the story is not about colonialism, it is a personal revenge story first and foremost.The colonialism is a background,
Colonialism is the basis of the revenge story, and the show is intentionally commenting on racism.
>As a mixed race/ethnicity person myself, no they don't have such a fixation; the culture war is Western
The show is made by westerners for a western audience.
>They do analyses sometimes, especially when its blatantly politicized or obviously has sociopolitical motivation, but attitudes towards this are mostly different, where it's a more clinical view.
The only people getting emotional are the ones complaining about idpol when it gets pointed out that the cartoon that wants to do social commentary is bad at it and ends up reinforcing the kind of ideology it sets out to criticize.

 

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>>24776
Yes, it is the BASIS, a SUBPLOT, but it isn't THE story, racial commentary included.
>The show is made by westerners
And Amber Noizumi, a Japanese woman.
>for a western audience
There is obviously Western cultural influence in this show, but it isn't in fact "just for Westerners" unlike schlock like current Capeshit films. It is aimed at a broad audience of people and those that aren't Western liberals or rightoids don't get asshurt by the story and don't project IRL drama into it. Racism (surprise, surprise) is not endemic to white people, who knew!?
>The only people getting emotional are the ones complaining about idpol
<I have no argument so I'm going to project with a thinly-veiled "No U!"
Fuck off liberal, that's not the argument being made. The commentary being made is a general one about xenophobia as well as specifically Western Colonial Imperialism and Japanese Nationalism along with being antithetical to the romanticized image of Imperial Japan that a lot of anime have promoted in recent years. This is not the same as the projected identity politics that Westoids project into this show. For example, one of the creators has expressed support for Israel on their twitter. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the show or its story but people still try to tie it in as a reason to get mad about it, which is toxic and poisons discourse.
>ends up reinforcing the kind of ideology it sets out to criticize
In what fucking way? How does it reinforce xenophobia or colonialism? The results of it are bloodshed and death and misery, depicted quite clearly.

 

>>24777
>777
Based Lucky Trips, Checked!

 

>>24758
>mc is a "hafu"
I thought the term was Hapa? IDK I'm not caught up with all the slang.

 

>>24884
>Hapa (/ˈhɑːpə/) is a Hawaiian word for someone of multiracial ancestry. In Hawaii, the word refers to any person of mixed ethnic heritage, regardless of the specific mixture. The term is used for any multiracial person of partial East Asian, Southeast Asian, or Pacific Islander mixture in California.

>The word "hapa" entered the Hawaiian language in the early 1800s, with the arrival of Christian missionaries who instituted a Hawaiian alphabet and developed curriculum for schools. It is a transliteration of the English word "half," but quickly came to mean "part," which could be combined with numbers to form fractions. For example, hapalua is half, hapahā is one-fourth, and hapanui means majority.


In Engrish it's hafu.

 

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>>24885
Huh, I genuinely did not know that. Thanks.


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