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There's different ways to make fights interesting. Baki's fights are fun because of the absurd shit the story throws at you, One Piece's fights are fun (well, some of them; Oda has gotten worse at everything over the years so I won't generalize, also the anime tends to ruin them in terms of pacing) because they tie well into the emotional stakes of the story. I also think it's an exaggeration to call even the worst ones hard to understand although I generally agree that there's an overuse of rigid rules systems in shonen.
Now HxH, that's a manga where I can't understand (and don't much are about understanding) half the power system shit even though I love everything else about it.

>>28568
I think gear 5 was handled well actually. A form that contrasts the others by being deliberately fun and cartoonish is a big relief from all the other edgy junk going on with the war arc and increasing use of slavery as a plot point

Early Naruto was more consistent with fight sequences. They didn't use jutsus all that often.
They used mainly pure physical prowess.

>>28572
Honestly the hate for Gear 5 is mostly from people who take One Piece too seriously and don't acknowledge the inherent cartoonishness of it, similar to how people complained they chose a goofy-looking Hispanic guy to play Luffy in the live-action

>>28577
Yes, but people also were hitting each other less often given budgetary constraints. There’s a lot more taijutsu in boruto and shippuden compared to Naruto
>>28578
This. I think the character designs for most of the characters alone should be enough of a dead giveaway that the shows harsher themes on slavery, the drug war, and bounty killings in the absence of centralized violence (whatever the new world’s navy that doflamingo will always hate) are and to an extent have to be relieved by its more fun and vibrant upsides.

>>28596
>There’s a lot more taijutsu in boruto and shippuden compared to Naruto

People like to give Boruto shit for having new tech being used in place of traditional styles Justus but they are more into athletic abilities rather than merely using psychosomatic illusions.

My favourite anime fights:


King J-Der first fight after GGG is beaten in GaoGaiGar.

Homura vs Mami in Madoka Rebellion.

Civilian PoV fight in Gundam Hathaway's Flash.

The fight scenes in Genocdal Organ

Asuka vs Mass Production Evangelions

Sewer battle in Patlabour 2

Attack on Torrington Base

tbh most of the fights in Gundam Unicorn where the Gundams aren't in it and its just grunt suits

Gunbuster vs the alien space ships


If you have watched them you know they are the best fight scenes.

>>28607
>Homura vs Mami in Madoka Rebellion.
fuck yeah

>>28607
Here’s my list:
Goku vs maijin vegeta
Kakashi vs obito
Every fight in sword of the stranger
Rock lee vs shira
Goku vs cell
Goku vs jiren (this section specifically: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lzk5q4OA01I&pp=ygUhZ29rdSBpcyBmb2N1c2VkIG9ubHkgb24gamlyZW4gbm93)
Io Fleming vs Daryl Lorenz (gundam thunderbolt)
And that’s it

The rest is genuine dogshit

>>28607
>>28611

Kaneda vs. Tetsuo and the opening bike fight (Akira)

Motoko vs. Tank and Motoko vs. Shitty Uzi Guy (Ghost in the Shell)

Sewer Fight (Patlabor 2)

Pretty much any fight in Ninja Scroll (the movie, not the show), just pick one

Saitama beats the living hell out of that alien guy (One Punch Man)

Basically any time Char gets in the Gundam (GQuuuuuuX)

Unit 01 vs. Sachiel (Evangelion)

Simon vs. Spiral King (Gurren Lagann)

Fight over Manila (Gundam Hathaway)

Alphonse vs. Zero (Patlabor the Movie)

Kobeni loses her shit and goes feral (Chainsaw Man)

Kishibe getting ambushed (Chainsaw Man again)

Char vs. Amuro (Char's Counterattack)

Attack on Torrington (Gundam 0083)

Bernie vs. Christina (Gundam 0080)

Main guy vs. Big White Dude (Sword of the Stranger)

Asuka vs. MP Evas (The End of Evangelion)

Isamu re-entering the atmosphere (Macross Plus)

Vegeta and Goku vs. Broly (DB: Broly)

Goku vs. Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z)

Goemon vs. Axe Guy (Lupin III: Goemon's Bloodspray)

Io vs. Darryl (Gundam Thunderbolt)

Goku getting triple-teamed by big sweaty robot gremin dudes (DBZ: The World's Strongest)

Lupin clowning on that guy in the clocktower (The Castle of Cagliostro)

Ashitaka vs. the samurai (Princess Mononoke)

Spike vs. Vicious (Cowboy Bebop)

Spike vs. Vincent (Cowboy Bebop: The Movie)

Unit 01 vs. Ramiel (Evangelion 1.0)

Roger vs. Schwarzwald (Big O)

Belgistan mechs obliterating the US tank squadron (Gasaraki)

Not really judging the OP with this since >>28565 mostly talks about stuff like elaborate systems of techniques & not just the fights being too visually extravagant, but when it comes to the purely visual aspect I think "unreadable nonsensical shit" when applied to anime battles is mostly a contrarian meme in reaction to over-the-top flashy battles catching on to the extent that they did in recent years with stuff like Kimetsu no Yaiba and modern One Piece (of course, such series being hugely popular enforces the idea that such execution is for "lamestream posers"). Sometimes there ARE issues with readability in such fights, yes, but those can occur just as easily in more down-to-earth "traditional" battles. most of the fights championed by people who criticize "flashiness over substance" are still over-the-top and not realistic (cartoons are rarely "down to earth" to begin with) but I think what it really boils down to is the age-old idea that showmanship & exaggeration (essentially stuff that's fun to "the turd-chucking masses, ugh") are worse than perceived subtlety. Here's the pope essentially saying "shounenshit is shit, watch slice of life" in 1323.

Then you have even sillier comments like "Naruto ninjas aren't real ninjas, they're practically wizards!" coming from westerners whose idea of ninjas was formed by anglophone media and have no idea that, yes, ninjas in Japanese folklore use supernatural techniques and ride giant frogs. Or the claim that flashiness is being used to "hide bad animation" being applied to stuff that's obviously extremely well animated under the effects (I saw someone Takeshi Koike's Iron Man trailer back when it was new https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_ej7ZlS2oQ&ab_channel=ComicHeroNews)

I showed that one Luffy vs Kizaru scene by Vincent Chansard, the one everyone shits on for being THE perfect embodiment of unreadable degenerate excesses in modern anime fights https://x.com/v2TokyoGhost/status/1916530135555002416, to a friend who's mainly into western cartoons and cartoony anime/manga like 60s-80s Lupin (Dragon Ball being the only shonen he's intimately familiar with) and he just went "yeah it's… fine? I don't get it, seems pretty readable to me!" - not to say there were zero readability flaws in it but the hyper-emotional dogpiling on it IMO has more to do with larger anime fandom culture wars than pure analysis of the scene in a vacuum.