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why does every isekai niqqa nowaday look like kirito? kirito isn't even in this image uygha

because they are hawt
anybody got some kirito lewds pls???

>>28640
A lot of writers share the same personality and don’t want to write stories of actually strong people that had to do a lot of training. Or in Goku’s words

>>28640
because the point of those shows are the girls, everything else is a device
and they are more enjoyable without subtitles, regardless of if you know japanese or not

>>28642
many of the character in that pic have long training arcs, what are you talkin about. if anything, they continue the dbz thing of portraying training as some sort of transcendental, cathartic experience and not the quite scientific and chill process that it is irl

anime is romantic when done right and gothic when done wrong, those are the only two styles the format supports

>>28643
I’ll admit. I didn’t watch any of those shows because I cannot stand how stereotypically cliche they are in their visual design and from what I’ve heard about them. One thing that made dragon ball stand out is that the majority of the people that worked in that series look and fight as if they were working at all. Kirito starts off looking like a self insert and ends off fighting and looking like a self insert. Goku looks like he murdered the gym.

Then there’s the romantic subplots that go no where, bad and honestly pretty gross fan service scenes, female characters assaulting people for no reason as a gag (fuck Sakura by the way), harems that add nothing to the plot, sword swings and punches that involve over winding and telegraphing, anime haircuts and nonhuman eye colours, excessive monologuing and backstories that make the pacing of each episode slow as hell, screaming in general,

This list is long and somehow all of those shows have all of those flaws appear at some point in them rather consistently. I just want a show like berserk or dragon ball that doesn’t feel overly infantile and catered towards middle aged manchildren

>>28644
Or in this dead YouTuber’s words “we have accepted mediocrity” (the original video was by a dead YouTuber called digibro)

>>28644
you sound like a guy whos genuinely never watched more than two animes in hes life

>>28646
I’ve watched enough to know how dissapointed I was when I saw solo levelling get anime of the year after seeing so much garbage get put out for fucking decades. You know how hard it is to find a show that isn’t infantile? There’s a reason why Japanese citizens view anime as genuinely for children and that’s deserved given how many anime are written. Shows like Vinland saga, berserk, early dragon ball, made in abyss, neon genesis evangelion (and even then that’s a stretch for that specific example), blame!, and sword of the stranger were genuine outliers in a sea of infantile nonsense. I’m not asking for some hyperelitist shit like a pretentious asshole. I just want a new show to come out that doesn’t treat its audience like actual children or weaklings looking for an emotional outlet to role play as.

>>28647
>>28647
>solo levelling get anime of the year
i never heard of this anime until a couple of days ago i saw a article about how it wasnt well recieved by japanese audiences, so im assuming it got an award by some western weeb group.
>>28647
>Japanese citizens view anime as genuinely for children
evidence for this claim?
i think your view is clouded by your experiences with an american audience, you need to understand the average american weeb is literally no different than a capeshit fan, they often just want to be seen as hipsters who appreaciate foreign culture, but even then theres a huge overlap.

>>28648
Yeah, crunchy roll gave it that award and I have yet to see a different company provide a different metric.
As for your comment on Japanese perspectives on anime, there’s a lot of examples, but I’ll just take this article to start: https://www.cjas.org/~leng/perceive.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com

That’s not to say that it isn’t popular across all age groups, but it desperately needs something less infantile to change its reputation

>>28649
well i dont really care about others reputation, i think your view is because you watch bad anime.

>>28650
You think Vinland saga is trash? Is berserk trash? I told you, I don’t want to watch infantile slop like sword art online (or any isekai bullshittery), shonen jump that isn’t exclusively early one piece and early dragon ball, or whatever the fuck rent a girlfriend was supposed to be. I want the mature shit or at least light hearted shows that can be enjoyed by older audiences.

>>28651
then what are you complaining about? i never watched any of those animes. and i dont go around gloating about how mature and older i am, you sound like a 12 year old.

>>28652
I’m complaining about the fact that the majority of anime made today fall victim to
>romantic subplots that go no where, bad and honestly pretty gross fan service scenes, female characters assaulting people for no reason as a gag (fuck Sakura by the way), harems that add nothing to the plot, sword swings and punches that involve over winding and telegraphing, anime haircuts and nonhuman eye colours, excessive monologuing and backstories that make the pacing of each episode slow as hell, screaming in general
I don’t entirely remember what anime from the 80s and 90s were like, I know that things weren’t perfect, but I don’t remember low quality anime produced back then somehow having all the problems I listed today. The scene in that medium is looking bad with few exceptions.

>>28653
>>28652
Don’t forget that the mid 2010s were by far some of the worst years for anime in general with the isekai, self insert MC garbage being at its worst back then. I don’t know the situation today, but I can still see traces of that awful era coming back to the series being made today

>>28644
then you don't like anime. you got the entire thing backwards, the fanservice is the point, everything else is a vehicle to get there

>>28647
>Japanese citizens view anime as genuinely for children
they don't, again, wtf are you talking about. half of the characters from that pic are adaptations from manga without furigana, which means children literally can't read them because the characters are high-school/college level

>>28654
and before the 2010s you would have complained about the cgdct and harem boom of the 2000s and so on. go read pynchon or whatever if you want to feel smart for consuming media

>>28655
What the hell. I don’t think anyone watched evangelion or Naruto (at least for a time) for fanservice scenes as much as it was seeing people learn to develop a sense of self confidence in their own self made identity and learning to earn the respect of others through hard work and dedication—well at least before shippuden spat on what little Naruto actually did work for.
>>28657
Honestly jt really wasn’t that bad. We got a lot of good stuff being released during the 2000s including lain, DBZ, hxh when it was still up, FMA, gundam peaking, and a lot of other good shit drowning out the filth. 2010 was uniquely awful since it was kind of a dead point and I can remember a lot of people in the anime community genuinely saying that the medium died for how bland everything was getting.

They're all the same guy, but getting hit by that truck split them across several worlds.

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>>28645
Rip to a real one.

>>28656
>>28653
>>28651
>Non human hair/eye colors and anime haircuts are cringe

Ngmi

Also alot of the problems you listed were a thing in the 80s and 90s as well


>I just want a show like berserk or dragon ball that doesn’t feel overly infantile and catered towards middle aged manchildren

Dragon Ball is just a boring fight fest like the problems you described

>>28667
Hyper masculine martial arts show about buff aliens fighting other buff aliens >>> whatever infantile harem garbage is produced in the mid 2010s and all isekai

>>28668
go watch marvel movies, theyre clearly more your speed.

>>28669
Nah. I’ll take literal giant gorillas throwing rocks and deities any day over whatever (somehow) at times equally infantile capeshit is produced by western studios.

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>>28670
This frame goes hard btw

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>>28648
>evidence for this claim?


Back in my college days when DBZ was a thing, I had this Japanese roommate. I asked him if he wanted to watch it with us. His response was, "That is for kids."

Sure, it can target some adults, but the majority is for children/teens man. Fucking obvious as fuck.

>>28673
>DBZ
dbz is obviously not most anime, i never watched it even as a kid because it felt too over the top.

>>28673
Did he have any anime that he did like or could this have been the weird "I'm going to associate an entire medium with neoteny and reject it to enforce my identity as an adult, which my conception of adulthood requires I do" tendency people with unfulfilling childhoods get?

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>>28675
Based on my many conversations with him, he was not particularly interested in anime in general. Even when I mentioned to him mature-themed animes of that time, i.e., Ghost in the Shell, Akira, and Record of Lodoss War, he briefly mentioned that not all, if not most, Japanese dont really watc anime. They read it, but it's not like it's massively accepted by most adults. He was mostly interested in getting smashed.

Later in life, I met another Japanese guy who lived alone in Oakland that I've met during my early career in banking. That guy, in particular, did not care about anime and was not even remotely interested in discussing it.

The way I see it is that manga is sort of there, and they read it. It's just something to do for that time, but it's not like they make it their whole personality or care about it. Anime is just something to watch kinda like Saturday morning cartoons. I myself over time dramatically stopped watching or following anime.

I believe as you get older, you acquire other interests . As a 39-year-old man, anime is not even interesting anymore.

>>28677
>I met this mexican guy and he didn't watch the premier league
>therefore …

>>28678
That's a stupid ass analogy, but you do you.

As he clearly stated, most adults don't watch anime, and it's frowned upon. You're clearly a butt-hurt weeb who can't accept the fact that most people grow out of childish things.

Anime used to be based on real life experiences or at the very least non-anime media (especially western movies).
Now anime is just based on other anime. The industry has become incestuous.

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>>28680
I'd have to agree with this sentiment. There was something unique about it, especially in the '90s and early 2000s. I suppose that’s why I lost interest over time. I felt as if it was all the same nonsense. I was a normal salary worker; now, I'm a giant dildo/sword for a furry girl with cat ears. I woke up as a blob for a big-tittied elf anime waifu. All fucking gay.

>>28680
Nah. There are objectively far more romance and slice of life anime deliberately written around the mundane lives of NEETs and ordinary salary men than anything else. Shonen and isekai garbage may be garbage but they certainly aren’t generic in the sea of somehow even lower brow filth of modern anime.


>>28679
Anon, Id hate to see how you'd react to seeing how many millennials are still watching anime

>>28680
Not unlike western TV being based on other western TV.
Imo this is somewhat hypocritical sentiment.

>>28683
>Low brown filth of modern anime
>Slice of life

Ngmi

>>28645
>>28666
Digibro didn't die, she just transitioned and changed her channel name twice.
Her channel is still up and she is still making videos. She is now trixie the golden witch.

>>28640
Isekai is measurably the laziest and most derivative genre of anime. Wasn't there also one isekai that just straight-up reused a background from an entirely different one?
I would be embarrassed to like shit like this, the people who make them clearly just do not give a single fuck and have zero respect for the audience, in fact they work on the assumption that the audience consists only of trash goblins who'll eat anything they're fed. What does it say about you if you can be entertained this easily?

>>28640
Because the mc is a vehicle for the viewer to self insert as. Its why they have to be generic but also handsome

>>28684
Maybe for the west. But when I talk to Japanese people, at least the one's I've met. They could care less about anime.

They do read Manga tho.

>>28693
>Wasn't there also one isekai that just straight-up reused a background from an entirely different one?

I wouldn't be surprised. I read a lot of isekai slop and more than a few seem to have digital elements from whatever program they're using. There's probably a background plugin that fills in whatever you need for a scene. I see it a lot with obviously digital european style palaces and junk like that.

You see we really need more buff guys in anime. Kirito, Naruto, and ichigo are losers while buff guys like guts, Goku, and luffy (just by principle) are legends in my heart


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